>>26404175 The average worker doesn't put in anywhere near 10% the amount of effort required to produce the finished goods which are sold for profit. Why do they deserve more of the profit than they create?
So the amount of work you're being forced to undertake for money's sake is identical to the amount of work you want to do?
Let me phrase this another way. Imagine that the world has no such thing as money. Would you be working? For fun? Would you be doing these activities which are so tiresome and unhealthy that people must be paid to do them - for free? Because you enjoy them so very much?
Please, wageslave. Think for yourself. Don't let the Jews mind control you like this.
Humans need work. We have evolved to work. We've the foul propensity to loll in our leisure time. If we are not working, we're stricken with ennui. >not being an altruist >not adapting a superior German work ethic
So if there were no such thing as money, and you were provided everything you need, you would work for free? Just because it's so fun to you? You'd do work, something so shitty that people have to be paid in order for it to get done at all, for free? Get real, you brainwashed normie fucktard.
Everything is provided to you that you could want, by robots or something. You can work if you want to, just for fun, since you enjoy it so much. Do you work? Anyone non-retarded would've understood by now that I'm arguing that you don't enjoy work, not that work isn't necessary for civilization.
>>26404656 So what does it mean to work if everyone is given what they want? The reason people enjoy their work is because of what they are achieving in doing it. Even hobbies exist to fulfill something, to create a soothing sound or a compelling taste. You seem to think people who enjoy their work either enjoy being told what to do or enjoy the physical motions they make doing it, which is just wrong, and I can see why you wouldn't actually enjoy doing anything if that's how you see the world.
>The reason people enjoy their work is because of what they are achieving in doing it
I've never seen delusion this bad. You are truly lost.
They enjoy it so much that they have to be paid to do it, right? And they must be paid progressively more as the achievement attached to the work becomes greater, even though in your delusion the achievement is its own reward?
>>26404924 Again, how donyou know these people aren't doing the same work in their own times for their own benefit? You think bakers stop baking when they get home? You think mechanics aren't tuning their own cars?
It's clear that you can't enjoy doing anything in life, but believe me, that really is just you.
>how donyou know these people aren't doing the same work in their own times for their own benefit?
They're doing this for their own benefit, not because they inherently enjoy the activity. No one claims to enjoy these activities, either; only the rewards/outcomes. If they had a machine to bake them a cake or tune their car for them, they would never bother doing it.
>>26405075 Yeah, that's what I said. They don't enjoy the physical motions, they enjoy the achievement. If a machine did a job as well as a human could or better (as a lot of tools do), people would use that machine to help them achieve more. People want the sense of fulfillment that comes with doing something well. If that's not legitimate enjoyment, what is? Passive consumption? Pure physical sensation? Just hedonism.
That's not a sense of fulfillment they're after, it's a result. Like I said, if they had a machine to bake them a cake, they'd let the machine do it. What they want is the cake, not any sort of 'fulfillment'.
>>26405638 And then they'd find something else they can do to fulfill them. Either you haven't ever done anything well or you're incapable of enjoying doing anything, but some people genuinely do enjoy it and I think you're projecting your own emptiness onto them.
>>26405786 I'm a NEET, I just happen to enjoy the work I do for myself and I'd continue to enjoy it if someone else was paying me to do it. Dunno who you're trying to convince here, my argument is more sensible than yours and it's obvious that you just have no passion at all.
>>26405955 Doesn't mean much coming from a fag who thinks blind commercial consumption is life, while also ignoring the fact that more competent people actually allow his favorite anime figures to exist.
I propose free salary for all citizens. Making more robots to take out all the mundane jobs out there. Insist companies to make things that last, so we don't have to be buying "new" things every other month. Fashion trends are stupid and a huge waste of resources and money.
>>26406182 Are you disputing the theory? Let's look at from your angle. You think you receive a lot, but that is relative. You might really be receiving a lot and thus be giving a lot which you deny. Therefore, you might be receiving very little and giving little as well.
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