>tfw you find out the truth

What is it?
If it's not something wacky and completely off the wall I won't believe you

>>26386840
>implying the truth can be put into words

>>26386862
Draw a diagram of it

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>>26386816
>tfw you exist in truth (as truth is not an 'object'' and thus cannot be found)

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I found it too

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>tfw the truth really was out there

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>>26386890
All is one
All is god
You are 'it'
You never cease to be

>>26386949
i want to believe desu desu senpai senpai

>>26386954
who told you? how did you figure it out, I thought I was the only one.

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>not knowing you are God
>2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D36Vm1Pqr1A

>>26386972
Various sources. I heard it a lot of times but it took a long time for me to really find out and feel it's truth

>>26386992
The truth is often always right infront of us, if only we stopped to notice it

>>26386954
Looking at this picture makes me feel good

>>26387012
cuz ur god pham

I think the robot life often leads to finding THE TRUTH if you don't get sidetracked with depression and existential angst.

When will science as a "philosophy" be looked down upon the same way religion is now? People are being brainwashed into thinking it holds any answers regarding the true nature of existence.

>>26387041
So why don't we all keep killing ourselves until we reincarnate as a Chad?

As that's fucking stupid and basing yourself primarily on how you look is what halts the discovery of the truth.

We can transcend this dismal existence merely by knowing the truth.

>>26387090
Religion isn't really looked down upon just yet, unless you're a muslim.

>>26387090
Modern physics is heading towards the transcendental though. I call it now: strange men will logically put into terms the nature of divine truths.

>>26387095
>wanting to reincarnate as a human
I don't know fama (get it? it's like lama but with senpai instead of lam), but after this round of humanity I think I'm gonna stay away from these parts for awhile...

>>26387095
Because your next reincarnated life depends on how you lived previously. Its not a random number generator. Your actions are accounted for. God sees everything you do.

>>26387106
How close are we to understanding consciousness and why/how it works? If that's an impossibility, we'll forever only know 1% of the story.

>>26387090
IS-OUGHT
S
-
O
U G H T

I hope that's clear enough for you, there is no empirically verified morality.

>>26387090
Science is the best way to reach the truth tho

It's just that it's fucking slow because scientific procedures take painstaking effort to be 100% verifiable, and less verifiable but potentially groundbreaking perceptions are often thrown to the wayside because they could cause serious harm to the whole chain built upon scientific axioms should they turn out to be untrue

Science only gets dogmatic when people start thinking that they should pretend that only that which is known to exists is what exists, and when people begin openly resisting changing their understanding or conducting "stupid" experiments using scientific means

Also all that ethos shit too...

>>26387148
not being able to know is part of the game senpai
why not embrace the mystery? It's what makes it interesting and worthwhile.

IVE SEEN THE TRUTH BENEATH THE EBB AND FLOW

>>26387175
>he thinks you can scientifically verify morality or philosophy

>>26387208
Speak for yourself
I was always more of a cheat code kinda guy

>>26387148
By the very nature of consciousness, there will be no equation, no explanation that satisfies everybody.

One step in the direction towards the truth is the realisation of the non-binary nature of free-will.

Friendly reminder that any form of an afterlife is nothing more than an excuse for the unfulfilled to continue wasting their lives. An afterlife does not and cannot exist.

>>26387229
Mortality and philosophy is all bullshit.

>>26387175
>It's just that it's fucking slow because scientific procedures take painstaking effort to be 100% verifiable, and less verifiable but potentially groundbreaking perceptions are often thrown to the wayside because they could cause serious harm to the whole chain built upon scientific axioms should they turn out to be untrue
This is very true, there's nothing wrong with science or the scientific method in my opinion. I've always said science is taking the long road while various (eastern) religions took the shortcut based on intuition. The scientific community just seems too wary to jump into the abstract. My biggest problem are the drones who cover their ears to anything but what their told by science. Science may be able to find the truth and prove it, but we can find it for ourselves now.

>>26387235
You're wrong tho
This is the afterlife
Don't you remember?
You're already dead
WAKE UP!! WAKE UP!!!
If you die here you go to the underworld for real...

Just kidding, lol

But actually tho, this life is technically the afterlife that arose from your non-life before it, so it's not intuitively that unfeasible but also can't really be proven

>>26387235
if you realise you are the universe it only seems natural that you become another body after this one dies
after all we are all I
if a being on a distant planet comes into beeing that's you coming into being
I am is god everyone who read the bible knows this

Is it possible that we're all tied to the planet itself? And each planet in space is it's own God with it's own reincarnation cycle with it's life.

>>26387263
>>26387267
The matter you're made out of isn't conscious. It isn't alive. Something that isn't alive can't have an afterlife.

>>26387235
If the deepest roots of the subconscious, the "soul", exists beyond time and space then naturally when one died your perception would default to the timeless state of the deep-subconscious.

It is widely believed that time does not exist but within out perception. We existing consciously as beings held within time. In this sense it is our lives which cannot be real, and our death that can be the only thing that is real.

>>26387305
nah your next life probably won't be on planet earth. chances are way too low. this universe was made for life to exist and there are probably infinitely many other planets with different beings on it
also i don't believe in karma as some magical judgement thing i think it's just random what body the I takes on this time

>>26387313
But the matter I'm made of wasn't conscious until it became conscious
Following your reasoning I shouldn't be conscious right now, and neither should you

Maybe we aren't really conscious to begin with...

>>26387257
Subjectively silly perceptions should be tested, not dismissed! But with finite resources, and the often untestable nature of those perceptions, I can understand why they often are dismissed, and rightfully should not be incorporated in a scientific framework. Gotta keep your truths, falsehoods, and could be truth but also could be falsehoods separate

>>26387313
how do you know? how do you know trees don't think. rocks don't feel. your consciousness and subconscious doesn't transfer into the womb of a pregnant lady?

Fact is your science can't prove shit

>>26387313
I don't think anybody believes we'd stay tethered to this body. We assume many forms.

>>26387346
Oh wait I misread you!
Sorry
Disregard my post >>26387313

I'm not sure where you're going with that tho

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>>26387346
>Maybe we aren't really conscious to begin with...

If the deepest roots of the subconscious do exist beyond time and space, then deja vu is explained as a momentary leak from the subconscious mind, which would have knowledge of all that will/could happen.

hey guys, conscious guy here experiencing himself, whats up

>>26387450
Prove it

Pro-tip: YOU CAN'T!!!

>>26387324
The "soul" cannot exist beyond time and space whilst also being a part of it. Also time does exist- it literally has to for multiple events to occur. It doesn't really matter though because the soul doesn't even exist in the first place

>>26387348
>science can't prove shit
Except it literally does. See -
>Newtonian physics
>thermodynamics
>Electromagnetism
And besides, even if it couldn't that wouldn't make your bullshit philosophy any more viable.

>>26387459
i can only prove it to myself man, and i already have, so here i am.

>>26387492
l don't believe you

>>26387461
It is if you listen to your soul for a change

>>26387461
Your perceptions are elementary and unrefined.

This very universe has a soul. A soul that exists beyond time and space, containing all that is, was and will be. You may see this as the potential, time being the kinetic.

Without the potential, how can there be the kinetic? Without the kinetic, how can there be the potential? Paradox.

This paradox lies at the heart of the soul/mind interaction. All of this has already happened. Technically you are already dead.

Clearly I am not god. Otherwise this world would no longer exist.

>>26387521
blessed are those who believe who do not see

>>26387528
technically, i know everything about everything heheaheahah lol ayyy lmao

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>I understood the ultimate nature of reality!

>>26387534
A religious person would reply to this by asserting that you are not god, but -you- are god

Iktf tho
You would think if there was all of this divine intention and such it wouldn't be so hostile for no reason

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>>26387461
>This child really believes we live in an objective universe

>>26387555
Trips of truth. If only you were genuine.

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>>26387560
My favorite is when someone unironically posts pic related while calling themselves enlightened

Seen it like four or five times now

>>26387523
Time isn't kinetic. Time is what we call the space in-between events. Time cannot "move forward" if no more events occur.

>>26387564
Please demonstrate otherwise.

>>26387596
>Please demonstrate otherwise.
The double slit experiment.

Enlightenment is non-binary, and is related to the non-binary function of free-will.

Those who are more enlightened have greater freedom and power of will, and vice versa.

alright guys, since none of you can come to the conclusion yourself, i'll lay it down straight. here it is: get money get paid

>>26387617
Are you actually retarded? Are you one of those idiots who thinks that a wave-function collapse is only possible with a conscious observer? You don't know what you're talking about, do you?

>>26387652
And then what?

flappalappadeeflappalappadoo

>>26387674
that's just it man. when you get money, you get paid. forgive and be forgiven, knock and the door SHALL BE OPENED. SEEK AND YE SHALL FINDERINO AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>26387669
I don't care if you don't believe.

>>26387596
You're going too meta with the language. I'm sure you know what I mean by kinetic, as opposed to static or potential. I'm not using strictly physical language like you would find in proper physics, but intuitive language for metaphysics.

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>>26387674
And then die
And lie in your grave

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>>26387596
I'll give you a gem to ponder upon

Time is the duration of transformation. It is the measure of phases within a transformation. When you walk to the store, you are transforming yourself, mentally and physically. The illusion of what we call "time" is the brain alotting reality into consecutive frames. The truth is, everything is just constantly shifting, changing itself until its transformation has been exhausted or completed (death, disintegration, etc.), if it can even be considered to have an end.

>>26387669
I think you should put the books down senpai, your thoughts are all jumbled and its turning you into a babbling psycho nonsense.

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Mfw enlightened
Mfw know the truth
Mfw mfw

>>26387711
nah man, you only die if you die. you live if you live

>>26387652
>he thinks money will bring him happiness
do you think weed cures depression too?

>>26386909
underrated post senpai

bloxarino

>>26387741
AY SENPAI U KNO IT DAWG, SMOKIN DAT PURP ERY DAYYY AAYYYYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOO

>>26387720
I think he is necessary as the skeptic voice of rationality and reason. What value does faith hold if none oppose you?

>>26387739
What if you do neither?
Or both?

That's how you get to the secret room

>>26387807
life will always trump death, we're conscious, so there is no escape from heaven.... or hell :^) but definitely heaven.

>>26387784
I did too because i was addicted for 2 years

obviously lost all my money and destroyed my brain. like actually destroyed my brain i can barely memorise things anymore and became really dumb

SMOKE WEED ALL DAY 2 KEEP ME UP AMIRITE

>>26387852
nah man, you just seek out whatever makes you happy, you've lost interest in anything that requires a struggle because you know how good it feels to feel good naw mean

>>26387703
That's fine. I'm still going to call you an idiot.

>>26387709
>metaphysics
There's the problem. Metaphysics pointless new-age nonsense with no actual meaning.

>>26387717
Even then, time still exists. A shift in frames necessitates time.

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>>26386816
> truth

oh lord hahaha

>>26387877
Why? Because my interpretation is different than yours? I was shitposting before but you really are a child.

>>26387877
And yet as time progresses you will witness the gap between physics and metaphysics close.

There are already implications unearthed by modern physics which necessitate metaphysical pondering. On both the scale of the very small and the very large.

>>26387793
>What value does faith hold if none oppose you?
Oh its opposed alright, life has ways to test your faith and even the strongest convictions can be shaken to their core.

man this thread is edgy. you guys need to LIGHTEN UP. HA.

>>26387534
Of course you're not God. None of us are, it's just some new age doctrine people love to repeat, since it plays on our pride.

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>>26387921
You should just leave then if it triggers you, kid

>>26387669
Don't bother with them onii-chan, new agers can't be reasoned with.

>>26387957
you're right, see you guys around

>>26387907
>>26387912
Metaphysics is meaningless nonsense because it is of absolutely no use. It's like asking what blue smells like.

>>26387979
It really isn't.

>>26387877
There is no such thing as time. Frames exist because the human mind models the world in such a way. Time as we know it is a societal construct, a tool for orderly business, a matrix of numbers, schedules for citizens, ultimately a mechanism of control for good or bad.

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>>26387523
>>26387528
>>26387564
>literally defending da rock and trees are alive, maaan *smokes blunt*

Embarrassing.

>>26387924
pride =/= self-worth

>>26388037
I guess it's just one of those things that, if you can't see, can't be shown to you.

>>26387461
time doesnt exist

>>26388040
>pride =/= self-worth
Indeed, that's why I used the word pride. The assertion that we're all God (which is false if you knew that we're contingent beings while a God must be a necessary Maximally great being) plays on pride, not self worth, you can feel self worth without feeling the need to claim Godhood, however pride inherently derives from self idolatry, hence why I used the word pride.

>>26388018
Time as we know it and time as a dimension are two completely separate things. If two of more events occur time MUST exist.

>>26388056
You're damn right it is, fuck all this new age crap. What's the point of saying you're "enlightened" when half this board can't even leave their basement? It serves only to fill the emptiness of a life that was never truly lived.

>>26388091
Read over what was written and actually think about it.
>>26387717

>>26388113
This! It plays on pride and the need to feel fulfilled.

>>26386816
>>26386954

I discovered when I was 15, it was a life changing experience, quite powerful.

>>26388078
Well in that sense you are completely right.

But in another sense, the divine mindset, in which one's worth, and the worth all things for that matter, is greatly amplified, is closely related to the idea of "I am god". For if the self is god, then is not everything?

You are perceptive in pointing out the split perception of "I am god" that constitutes both satanism and the "good" spiritualities.

>>26388126
I did. Time is still necessitated. If I see one frame, then the next one after that, time had to have passed. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
>event a occurs
>event b occurs after event a
>Therefore, time exists.
It's really simple logic.

>>26388165
>"I am god" that constitutes both satanism and the "good" spiritualities.
dwelled really deep into the occult when I was younger, nothing I would recommend in all seriousness. Hence why I really can't rally behind the whole "we wuz Gods and shat", it was an absolutely destructive path that loves to pretend to be the light.

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Obligatory incoming:

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

>>26388197
Solid input. Acknowledged.

There's a fine line between being a mystic and a schizophrenic.

>>26386954
you're fucking right dude
this is the exact revelation my brother and i had when we did molly together

>>26388238
Indeed! Holy shit, if you want 1 simple advice; stay away from the left hand path/occultism/satanism

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>>26388259
also, here are the .txt files we wrote and a picture of heaven.

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>>26387305
Remember, all I'm offering is the truth, nothing more.

>>26388326
Ha I like that. I once wrote a similar txt file after taking a huge hit of kief. I seriously thought I'd gone all the way. I couldn't even think. No thought could compare to the feeling or improve on it. The problem with drugs is that they wear off.

>>26388326
ayy my man
who else /druggie text files/ here?

>>26386954

Why the hell is it that I think, consciously, that Buddhism is a shit-tier religion, but Buddhist imagery never fails to utterly captivate me? That's a beautiful goddamn picture, mang.

>>26388332
This is what pisses me off. "Truth guys" will give me a flowery story like this which is sort of only half true. If the world is a prison, who owns it? Don't tell me it doesn't matter because if you do, you don't know the whole truth and are just selling me a story not based on reality.

>>26388462
>If the world is a prison, who owns it?
The flyers/archons/eons. Entities that feed on our energy.

>>26388381
>The problem with drugs is that they wear off.
yeah. ecstasy is literally the best feeling ever but once you stop peaking you feel like you've been kicked out of heaven. i'm afraid to do it again.
>>26388418
what problems do you have with buddhism?

>>26388546
You can't prove anything of that. It's all religious bullshit. it would be more productive to figure out who owns your country than to just paint it as some mystical being.

>>26388546
Why do they have to feed on our energy? Why don't they just make their own?
That's pretty shady desu
Cheating the system

>>26388582
Because it sounds scary
it's just another bogeyman

>>26386816
>tfw the truth is just a part of the lie you tell to make yourself feel better

>>26388619
>tfw the truth is just a bunch of lies all mixed together

>>26388619
>>26388634
could you be more specific?

>>26388607
This fampai. If humans suffer, there's only one reason for it. Themselves.

>>26388395
ye boy

>>26388640
There's more to it than that, friend. You're telling me if somebody robs you that you're the reason for your suffering? We cause harm to each other as well.

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>>26388640
>humans
>not people

>themselves
>not ourselves

ORGANIC PORTAL DETECTED!!!!!
INFERNAL ARCHON, I BANISH YOU FROM THIS PLACE!!!
LEAVE THIS POOR HOST ALONE!!!!

>>26388665
Sorry, I read your post as "You are the source of all your suffering." that you tend to see a lot here

>>26388676
>that pic
don't take candy from strangers

>>26388561
>who owns your country
Bankers, bilderbergers, freemasons, like everywhere else. And?

>>26388582
Why don't you make your own energy instead of eating meat and veggies? Why do you absorb enegy from outside of you? Same thing. We raise cows to eat them. They raise us and eat us.

>>26388749
>Bankers, bilderbergers, freemasons, like everywhere else. And?
I think that's close but not quite as specific as it should be. Imagine trying to explain this to somebody who has no clue. It's pointless to yell 'Bankers! Bilderbergers! luciferians! Jews!!" at them while flailing your hands around. As you probably know, you have to really prove yourself to be sane before you can even talk about things.
I'm not acting like I know the entire truth but what I'm saying is that while you're not exactly wrong, it is better to say well, WHO exactly is in those groups specifically and what they actually did and how. Anything else is really just crawling down intentionally placed rabbit holes and chasing your tail pretty much.

>>26388699
Damn
I don't know if this has esoteric implications or not
My whole life has been me taking candy from strangers...

>>26388814
I think it does because this is the whole red pill blue pill idea within it
I think the answer here is don't take candy from strangers, go to the store and go buy your own candy. (so you could read the label)
I'm just having a little fun here.

>>26388856
But the man who owns the candy store is also a stranger

Heck, he could even be the same guy as the guy giving me candy but wearing a disguise (or at least in cahoots with him)

The only way is to make your own candy from scratch, but even then you derive your ingredients from SOMEWHERE. Certainty always rests on uncertainty. Sp00ked as shit. Gotta get off this earth.

>>26389031
You're right. But you can't leave the earth.
So either take the risk and enjoy the candy, make it yourself or don't eat it at all.
Getting more towards reality and out of the land of metaphor, a blowpop isn't going to kill you and the point here is to be skeptical about information (the candy) presented to you. Like they say, a good lie is hidden under truth so it's up to you to find that needle in the haystack, pluck it out so you don't become the victim of a lie

>>26389133
Not if the blowpop is poisoned m8
I had a jolly rancher once that was actually just homemade candy mixed with MDMA in a wrapper
I had no idea
Never take candy from strangers

>>26389168
you took a risk and paid a price
you're not dead though
if you really wanted to get nitpicky about this, you could argue that in a different path, you could have brought the candy home, inspected it, tested it to verify it was indeed just candy before you ate it without thinking about it.

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All visualizations are imagination.
All imagination is appearance/emptiness.
Without being attached to appearance/emptiness as real,
rest without fixation, without focus.

Death and no death, these are also imagined.
In the expanse of equality, there's neither death nor no death.
The same with dark and light and gods and demons.
The expanse of equality is all there is.
I have never seen a single thing that's real.

>>26389207
No I'm not dead
But I had a lot of fun
Shit, maybe you SHOULD take candy from strangers

>>26389275
>what is matter?

>>26389275
We need to refine our imagination, compadre
I kind of like this one, actually
But it has many flaws

>>26389296
Just be careful and stay safe, anon. Don't get into trouble.

>>26389317
You're right
Maybe I should only take candy from people I know...
And give them candy back? <3

>>26389327
You could be the stranger giving out candy to everyone

>>26389275
Stop posting this here
Robots won't understand
You can't understand the meanings of these things without the proper preliminary experiences and initiations that come with them
Without proper understanding, it's easy to build up a 'wrong view' and that is more harmful to the mind than being unaware of these things

>>26389345
How about you explain like in a sort of trail of candies approach to understanding?

>>26388259
I hate fucking druggos who think they get fucking revelations and out of body experiences

>>26389361
I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that in such an impersonal space as an anonymous image board, without voice and other means of conveying ideas.

I also wouldn't feel comfortable teaching dharma without the permission of a Lama, because I'm not one myself, and I don't even know who I'm speaking to on here, and/or how to cater explanations to their own specific state of being.

Additionally, the karmic implications of throwing stuff like this out in the open are far too wide ranging and varying to really know if you're helping, or harming.

This is all just my personal experience though. If you're comfortable doing it, right on.

>>26389343
But nobody would take it, because they know not to take candy from strangers
I wouldn't even poison it...

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>>26389345
But in these degenerate times, the message of the Vajra must be promulgated in some means. IDC what the Tibetans say, really. We have multiple traditions some much less secret than others, and moreover, the earliest Buddhist literature on these matters plainly states that the mantras and initiations in Saivism work just as well...I'd imagine other traditions can get in on this.

Let all who have eyes see.

>>26389408
or maybe they would just like you did

>>26389411
see what? I'm interested in what you have to say but just cut to the chase instead of floating around "you're not ready yet for the uber secret" like >>26389407

>>26389411
I see your point.

That makes sense.

can anyone reach nirvana?

>>26389441
Well they shouldn't have!
What if I had poisoned it?

>>26389481
Then you would be a bad person!

>>26389465
I highly doubt it

>>26389493
What is necessary to reach it?

>>26389517
>implying it's even possible

>>26389441
http://www.amazon.com/Kalachakra-Tantra-Holiness-Dalai-Lama/dp/0861711513

http://www.amazon.com/The-Kaulajnananirnaya-Teachings-Matsyendrapada-Tradition/dp/8177421239

http://www.amazon.com/Vajra-Wisdom-Practice-Tibetan-Buddhism/dp/1559393971

https://archive.org/details/ShriTantraSara

>>26389533
>Implying it needs to be possible
>Implying you can't do the impossible

>>26389493
Then it's a good thing I never intentionally will

I should really wait and make sure I don't make any mistakes in the candymaking process before I go around passing my goods out all willy-nilly. They probably won't be poisoned but what if their taste ends up being sub-par? I'm way too insecure for that shit. I want it to be top notch.

>>26389562
go fly out into space flapping your arms then
>>26389601
just be careful where you get your ingredients from :^)

>>26389561
i guess you have no intention to discuss

>>26389465
i believe that true nirvana is inevitable, and we reach it just by existing, although buddhism is the path to walk if you want to break free from the cycle of suffering and desire that is life.

>>26389693
Like, what do you want to know?

I just gave you basic reading material/practices in two or three Buddhist and Savist tantric traditions.

>>26389714
where you go when you reach it?

>>26389741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qi8hhiYEQA

>>26389741
there will be nowhere else to go

>>26389741
I think the idea is that you stop looking for places to go
You don't really go anywhere

>>26389465
No.
The idea of nirvana being separate from samsara is another false duality.
They are one and the same.

You don't go anywhere.

You end up here, on /r9k/.

>>26389728
Well, the whole topic of this thread is truth
Buddhists love to go on about life and death but that's only like one side of it. It ignores pretty much everything that is happening in reality.
Flipping through that last book, it mentions things like "reaching the truth through intuition"
my point being how could you reach any truth like understanding physics with just intuition? It's impossible which brings me to believe that it's all just empty rhetoric

>>26389786
>>26389766
>>26389765
that is really comforting tho

>>26389788
First, I'm not a Buddhist.

I'd tend to agree with your criticism of Buddhism in general. Hence why I'm not a Buddhist. Particularly of the Tibetan or Newar stripe. They get caught up in Buddhaforms and forgot to do what the Jains are doing.

>how can you reach understanding in physics with just intuition.
I dunno, ask Newton. Ask Einstein. Or anyone working rigorous thought experiments. It's not impossible, simply frowned upon as armchair speculation until it gets into the lab.

>>26389806
it is
nirvana literally means "becoming extinguished"
it's the end of the book, and all loose ends are tied up. you don't have to do anything anymore.

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>>26388196
that is your feeble brains perception.
it is the vastly abstracted, basically retarded hallucinations, idea a few of your organs tell your brain is going on and form into a single conglomerate.
i cant tell if this is bait or you really dont understand how to think
either way 2/10 you should not breed

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>not just forcefully liberating beings with your qt consort who is actually you

Typical beta Bodhisattvas

>>26389932
This
That anon has obviously never done enough dissociatives to experience time loops or improperly sequenced timelines

>>26389788
>it's impossible
Are you actually telling me you believe it's impossible to know the truth of your reality through your own experiences?

You do know that apples come in red and green colors, yes?

>>26389866
>ask Newton. Ask Einstein
They're dead
I think the difference is that they used intuition/imagination/creativity to expand on science with empirical evidence and whatnot. I feel like buddhists tend to just talk about the philosophical aspect of "letting go and trusting your intuition" in the sense of knowing the truth about the universe innately

>>26389895
but it is really getting extinguished or becoming part of something greater?
If you reach nirvana in the middle of your life will you immediately be removed from this plane?

>>26389940
While I buy that Vajrayana in and of itself will produce Attainment, I simply don't buy the claim that it's the fastest, easiest, or the best.

As I said, we have multiple concurrent traditions of tantra even across religions. Early Saivists and Buddhists were exchanging ideas and practices heavily, in like, what, 6-7th C. ce?

Anyway, just off topic question, anyone find it odd that there IS tantric material in the Agamas of Hinduism but NOT in the Agamas of Buddhism? Just seems odd to me.

>>26389987
No, I'm saying that it is impossible to know the truth about anything without evidence. Anybody can tell you they've experienced the truth of reality in the universe but couldn't tell you the first thing about what the sun is made from. So they're not exactly wrong but it's just useless to say.

>>26389988
I feel like they're experimenters. That's what a chain of initiation is all about. "Here, replicate X, Y, Z and see if you get result A."

I just think they over philosophize and often miss the forest for the trees. Honestly, I've had a consistiently hard time wrapping my head around Vajrayana compared to other tantric systems so don't let my facile grasp poison your well of perception.

>>26389989
you can't reach nirvana in the middle of your life, it isn't like that
nirvana happens after everything else does

lol bunch of retards

>>26390053
Lol
That's funny
If you reach nirvana in the middle of your life, then it never really was the middle of your life to begin with, was it?

>>26390053
I thought nirvana was reached through meditation

>>26390043
>I just think they over philosophize and often miss the forest for the trees.
this
I think the whole becoming less egotistical part is useful in it's own way but following that road eventually leads to stagnation.
The answers it brings might make people feel good and help with mental issues and all but it doesn't have all the answers.

>>26390053
nirvana is a state of being not something you find in the future
it is always achieved by accepting the now
that's really it but it makes you really calm and peaceful that's why they call it liberation

>>26390118
nihilism is the true answer
live however the fuck you want
there is no model anyway
but I can't bring myself to believe it
Idk
Consciousness is so odd
unexplainable
quantical
I can't explain it (nor anyone)

>>26390166
It's simply not the answer to everything
Sure, in the end you die but if you were to take that stance when tackling every problem, you'd get nowhere except probably hedonistic activities (which doesn't really matter because nothing does in the end right?)
You can't really learn anything about science by being nihilistic or accepting any ideology really.

>>26390118
FWIW early material seems to do it best without leaning on Buddhaforms; it's much more like Jainism but with slightly less metaphysics and more parable. Then as Buddhism became politicized, it became a behemoth.

I feel like 9/10ths of the benefits in terms of "mental health" are a side effect of devotion itself rather than devotion to Makakala, or Buddha, or Avalokitesvara, or Kali.

>>26390007
Yeah, I'm finding a lot of the Tibetan social structure to be bullshit lately.

It's caused me to kind of lose interest in my faith.

I feel lost, and I don't know where to go.

I'm still Buddhist, but, to what extent and how, I am confused about that.

>>26388259
DUDE REVELATIONS LMAO

kill yourself