>>26387095 >wanting to reincarnate as a human I don't know fama (get it? it's like lama but with senpai instead of lam), but after this round of humanity I think I'm gonna stay away from these parts for awhile...
>>26387090 Science is the best way to reach the truth tho
It's just that it's fucking slow because scientific procedures take painstaking effort to be 100% verifiable, and less verifiable but potentially groundbreaking perceptions are often thrown to the wayside because they could cause serious harm to the whole chain built upon scientific axioms should they turn out to be untrue
Science only gets dogmatic when people start thinking that they should pretend that only that which is known to exists is what exists, and when people begin openly resisting changing their understanding or conducting "stupid" experiments using scientific means
>>26387175 >It's just that it's fucking slow because scientific procedures take painstaking effort to be 100% verifiable, and less verifiable but potentially groundbreaking perceptions are often thrown to the wayside because they could cause serious harm to the whole chain built upon scientific axioms should they turn out to be untrue This is very true, there's nothing wrong with science or the scientific method in my opinion. I've always said science is taking the long road while various (eastern) religions took the shortcut based on intuition. The scientific community just seems too wary to jump into the abstract. My biggest problem are the drones who cover their ears to anything but what their told by science. Science may be able to find the truth and prove it, but we can find it for ourselves now.
>>26387235 if you realise you are the universe it only seems natural that you become another body after this one dies after all we are all I if a being on a distant planet comes into beeing that's you coming into being I am is god everyone who read the bible knows this
>>26387235 If the deepest roots of the subconscious, the "soul", exists beyond time and space then naturally when one died your perception would default to the timeless state of the deep-subconscious.
It is widely believed that time does not exist but within out perception. We existing consciously as beings held within time. In this sense it is our lives which cannot be real, and our death that can be the only thing that is real.
>>26387305 nah your next life probably won't be on planet earth. chances are way too low. this universe was made for life to exist and there are probably infinitely many other planets with different beings on it also i don't believe in karma as some magical judgement thing i think it's just random what body the I takes on this time
>>26387313 But the matter I'm made of wasn't conscious until it became conscious Following your reasoning I shouldn't be conscious right now, and neither should you
Maybe we aren't really conscious to begin with...
>>26387257 Subjectively silly perceptions should be tested, not dismissed! But with finite resources, and the often untestable nature of those perceptions, I can understand why they often are dismissed, and rightfully should not be incorporated in a scientific framework. Gotta keep your truths, falsehoods, and could be truth but also could be falsehoods separate
If the deepest roots of the subconscious do exist beyond time and space, then deja vu is explained as a momentary leak from the subconscious mind, which would have knowledge of all that will/could happen.
>>26387324 The "soul" cannot exist beyond time and space whilst also being a part of it. Also time does exist- it literally has to for multiple events to occur. It doesn't really matter though because the soul doesn't even exist in the first place
>>26387348 >science can't prove shit Except it literally does. See - >Newtonian physics >thermodynamics >Electromagnetism And besides, even if it couldn't that wouldn't make your bullshit philosophy any more viable.
>>26387596 You're going too meta with the language. I'm sure you know what I mean by kinetic, as opposed to static or potential. I'm not using strictly physical language like you would find in proper physics, but intuitive language for metaphysics.
Time is the duration of transformation. It is the measure of phases within a transformation. When you walk to the store, you are transforming yourself, mentally and physically. The illusion of what we call "time" is the brain alotting reality into consecutive frames. The truth is, everything is just constantly shifting, changing itself until its transformation has been exhausted or completed (death, disintegration, etc.), if it can even be considered to have an end.
>>26387877 There is no such thing as time. Frames exist because the human mind models the world in such a way. Time as we know it is a societal construct, a tool for orderly business, a matrix of numbers, schedules for citizens, ultimately a mechanism of control for good or bad.
>>26388040 >pride =/= self-worth Indeed, that's why I used the word pride. The assertion that we're all God (which is false if you knew that we're contingent beings while a God must be a necessary Maximally great being) plays on pride, not self worth, you can feel self worth without feeling the need to claim Godhood, however pride inherently derives from self idolatry, hence why I used the word pride.
>>26388056 You're damn right it is, fuck all this new age crap. What's the point of saying you're "enlightened" when half this board can't even leave their basement? It serves only to fill the emptiness of a life that was never truly lived.
>>26388078 Well in that sense you are completely right.
But in another sense, the divine mindset, in which one's worth, and the worth all things for that matter, is greatly amplified, is closely related to the idea of "I am god". For if the self is god, then is not everything?
You are perceptive in pointing out the split perception of "I am god" that constitutes both satanism and the "good" spiritualities.
>>26388126 I did. Time is still necessitated. If I see one frame, then the next one after that, time had to have passed. Why is this so hard for you to understand? >event a occurs >event b occurs after event a >Therefore, time exists. It's really simple logic.
>>26388165 >"I am god" that constitutes both satanism and the "good" spiritualities. dwelled really deep into the occult when I was younger, nothing I would recommend in all seriousness. Hence why I really can't rally behind the whole "we wuz Gods and shat", it was an absolutely destructive path that loves to pretend to be the light.
>>26388326 Ha I like that. I once wrote a similar txt file after taking a huge hit of kief. I seriously thought I'd gone all the way. I couldn't even think. No thought could compare to the feeling or improve on it. The problem with drugs is that they wear off.
>>26388332 This is what pisses me off. "Truth guys" will give me a flowery story like this which is sort of only half true. If the world is a prison, who owns it? Don't tell me it doesn't matter because if you do, you don't know the whole truth and are just selling me a story not based on reality.
>>26388381 >The problem with drugs is that they wear off. yeah. ecstasy is literally the best feeling ever but once you stop peaking you feel like you've been kicked out of heaven. i'm afraid to do it again. >>26388418 what problems do you have with buddhism?
>>26388749 >Bankers, bilderbergers, freemasons, like everywhere else. And? I think that's close but not quite as specific as it should be. Imagine trying to explain this to somebody who has no clue. It's pointless to yell 'Bankers! Bilderbergers! luciferians! Jews!!" at them while flailing your hands around. As you probably know, you have to really prove yourself to be sane before you can even talk about things. I'm not acting like I know the entire truth but what I'm saying is that while you're not exactly wrong, it is better to say well, WHO exactly is in those groups specifically and what they actually did and how. Anything else is really just crawling down intentionally placed rabbit holes and chasing your tail pretty much.
>>26388814 I think it does because this is the whole red pill blue pill idea within it I think the answer here is don't take candy from strangers, go to the store and go buy your own candy. (so you could read the label) I'm just having a little fun here.
>>26389031 You're right. But you can't leave the earth. So either take the risk and enjoy the candy, make it yourself or don't eat it at all. Getting more towards reality and out of the land of metaphor, a blowpop isn't going to kill you and the point here is to be skeptical about information (the candy) presented to you. Like they say, a good lie is hidden under truth so it's up to you to find that needle in the haystack, pluck it out so you don't become the victim of a lie
>>26389168 you took a risk and paid a price you're not dead though if you really wanted to get nitpicky about this, you could argue that in a different path, you could have brought the candy home, inspected it, tested it to verify it was indeed just candy before you ate it without thinking about it.
All visualizations are imagination. All imagination is appearance/emptiness. Without being attached to appearance/emptiness as real, rest without fixation, without focus.
Death and no death, these are also imagined. In the expanse of equality, there's neither death nor no death. The same with dark and light and gods and demons. The expanse of equality is all there is. I have never seen a single thing that's real.
>>26389275 Stop posting this here Robots won't understand You can't understand the meanings of these things without the proper preliminary experiences and initiations that come with them Without proper understanding, it's easy to build up a 'wrong view' and that is more harmful to the mind than being unaware of these things
>>26389361 I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that in such an impersonal space as an anonymous image board, without voice and other means of conveying ideas.
I also wouldn't feel comfortable teaching dharma without the permission of a Lama, because I'm not one myself, and I don't even know who I'm speaking to on here, and/or how to cater explanations to their own specific state of being.
Additionally, the karmic implications of throwing stuff like this out in the open are far too wide ranging and varying to really know if you're helping, or harming.
This is all just my personal experience though. If you're comfortable doing it, right on.
>>26389345 But in these degenerate times, the message of the Vajra must be promulgated in some means. IDC what the Tibetans say, really. We have multiple traditions some much less secret than others, and moreover, the earliest Buddhist literature on these matters plainly states that the mantras and initiations in Saivism work just as well...I'd imagine other traditions can get in on this.
>>26389493 Then it's a good thing I never intentionally will
I should really wait and make sure I don't make any mistakes in the candymaking process before I go around passing my goods out all willy-nilly. They probably won't be poisoned but what if their taste ends up being sub-par? I'm way too insecure for that shit. I want it to be top notch.
>>26389465 i believe that true nirvana is inevitable, and we reach it just by existing, although buddhism is the path to walk if you want to break free from the cycle of suffering and desire that is life.
>>26389728 Well, the whole topic of this thread is truth Buddhists love to go on about life and death but that's only like one side of it. It ignores pretty much everything that is happening in reality. Flipping through that last book, it mentions things like "reaching the truth through intuition" my point being how could you reach any truth like understanding physics with just intuition? It's impossible which brings me to believe that it's all just empty rhetoric
I'd tend to agree with your criticism of Buddhism in general. Hence why I'm not a Buddhist. Particularly of the Tibetan or Newar stripe. They get caught up in Buddhaforms and forgot to do what the Jains are doing.
>how can you reach understanding in physics with just intuition. I dunno, ask Newton. Ask Einstein. Or anyone working rigorous thought experiments. It's not impossible, simply frowned upon as armchair speculation until it gets into the lab.
>>26388196 that is your feeble brains perception. it is the vastly abstracted, basically retarded hallucinations, idea a few of your organs tell your brain is going on and form into a single conglomerate. i cant tell if this is bait or you really dont understand how to think either way 2/10 you should not breed
>>26389866 >ask Newton. Ask Einstein They're dead I think the difference is that they used intuition/imagination/creativity to expand on science with empirical evidence and whatnot. I feel like buddhists tend to just talk about the philosophical aspect of "letting go and trusting your intuition" in the sense of knowing the truth about the universe innately
>>26389987 No, I'm saying that it is impossible to know the truth about anything without evidence. Anybody can tell you they've experienced the truth of reality in the universe but couldn't tell you the first thing about what the sun is made from. So they're not exactly wrong but it's just useless to say.
>>26389988 I feel like they're experimenters. That's what a chain of initiation is all about. "Here, replicate X, Y, Z and see if you get result A."
I just think they over philosophize and often miss the forest for the trees. Honestly, I've had a consistiently hard time wrapping my head around Vajrayana compared to other tantric systems so don't let my facile grasp poison your well of perception.
>>26390043 >I just think they over philosophize and often miss the forest for the trees. this I think the whole becoming less egotistical part is useful in it's own way but following that road eventually leads to stagnation. The answers it brings might make people feel good and help with mental issues and all but it doesn't have all the answers.
>>26390053 nirvana is a state of being not something you find in the future it is always achieved by accepting the now that's really it but it makes you really calm and peaceful that's why they call it liberation
>>26390118 nihilism is the true answer live however the fuck you want there is no model anyway but I can't bring myself to believe it Idk Consciousness is so odd unexplainable quantical I can't explain it (nor anyone)
>>26390166 It's simply not the answer to everything Sure, in the end you die but if you were to take that stance when tackling every problem, you'd get nowhere except probably hedonistic activities (which doesn't really matter because nothing does in the end right?) You can't really learn anything about science by being nihilistic or accepting any ideology really.
>>26390118 FWIW early material seems to do it best without leaning on Buddhaforms; it's much more like Jainism but with slightly less metaphysics and more parable. Then as Buddhism became politicized, it became a behemoth.
I feel like 9/10ths of the benefits in terms of "mental health" are a side effect of devotion itself rather than devotion to Makakala, or Buddha, or Avalokitesvara, or Kali.
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