>>26360993 People who give money give it away because they can. They have money to waste and derive pleasure from donating to charity. No one does anything that their brain does not consider as being something that will benefit the person over the alternative. Think of any action, seemingly selfless or no, and you can quite easily spot the ways in which it directly benefits the person performing the act. The most extreme example of someone supposedly purposely making their life worse can be seen in persons who inflict damage upon themselves out of guilt. Superficially, it appears that the person is angry at himself or feels guilty, and might damage his body or attempt to cause "distress." In reality, what he is doing is by tricking himself into thinking that he is making his life worse, he gains self-pity, the opposite of guilt, and thus reduces his guilt levels.
I love how robots always think they're paragons of perspicacity when they realize selfishness is one of humanity's defining features. Aren't you a bunch of geniuses? Of course every single thing people do is out of self-interest and done in order to maximize their perceived "value" and happiness. Even people wiping aids-ridden asses for free in Africa do it because in their value system it makes them worth more in their eyes: they attach a "wealth" measured in reputation, "karma" and human contact, or they get to feel superior because of a different moral framework etc. Bottom line is nothing is ever free when dealing with people, doesn't mean your angsty teen-level conclusions "everything is shit m8" are valid: at the end of the day aids-ridden asses still get wiped, some food gets to the poor because a ngo jerk wants to feel good about it, you helped your neighbor put out that fire because you need him to do the same when it'll be your shit burning, and people pair in couples because they make each other feel good about themselves. Everyone knows that, that's why nobody wants to get together with the deluded jerk who would be entirely dependent on a relationship to feel good about himself, because you gotta be reasonably selfish and feel good about yourself to sustain healthy dealings with your fellow humans.
>>26362953 Did you read what I wrote? I'm not saying it's bleak at all, I'm saying that people only ever do stuff out of either necessity or self-interest, which has awesome consequences. I love the world the way it is and enjoy life very much in general. What I dispute is the #im14andthisisdeep mentality and that being aware of what makes people tick doesn't necessarily makes everything shit and not worth living.
>>26363069 That's ok if you don't, we can agree to disagree. My system makes sense tough and I never found a counter-example for which a motivation/gain can't be found if you think about it hard enough. People like to think we're something special because our behavior is supposedly not governed by determinism and that this "irrationality" or ours is some kind of redeeming quality or strength to glorify, and an easy excuse on which to blame our shortcomings. The truth of it is, to me, that this wishful "irrationality" is just a mix of animal instincts (which makes sense) and an unconscious rationality, a rationality on autopilot. Example: (normal) people find abhorrent to not love/care for your kids, that's because we have a strong instinct from our biological history to care for our offspring and the entirety of humanity's cultural history, building up on this premise, made it utterly unacceptable. That is something you integrate (usually) in your childhood when it's associated with the concept of love, so of course it doesn't usually even need to be discussed to be accepted, doesn't mean there isn't a logic to it. And this is a tremendously good thing: produces healthy individuals, societal stability, low stress levels in both parents and kids etc. Just because love can be explained in a rational way doesn't mean it loses its value. Unless the value you attach to it is derived from the romantic "decorum" this "irrationality" gives it; then of course admitting it can be explained makes it lose that value, which is why you try the harder to defend it, even at the price of a non-coherent worldview.
And everything can be seen in this light, I'm not saying you should accept this explanation but it's the worldview I built and it leads to very interesting conclusions, doesn't leave you as distressed as you can possibly be when faced with a behavior/situation you don't understand and allows you to kinda be at peace with the world and the shenanigans of people.
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