>tfw genius level IQ but lazy, lonely and haven't achieved

Most of this board probably.

Nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.

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>>26359282
>he fell for the high IQ, lazy work ethic meme

Nigga, you dumb. What is intelligence if not the manifestation of imagination in the material world? Whether it be writing, drawing, woodworking, or some sort of con job, intelligence is expressed through actions. If you cannot put something out into the world, you are as intelligent as the toilet that I piss in.

Do something to prove to yourself you have an above average intelligence quotient. Otherwise, you're drinking the electric koolaid and telling others how refreshing it is.

>>26359282
Taking IQ seriously as a measure of intelligence

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>mfw literally everyone on this fucking board has a genius level IQ but is soooooooooo lame and awkward
Sure.

>>26359282
>no guys trust me, im really really really smart, I just dont have the motivation to fix my problems
Is this what every failure tells themselves to make it easier to sleep at night?

>>26359282
im guessing your early 20's, did well in elementary and middle school, got addicted to vidya when you went to high school and your grades suffered. Now you think your intelligent because you did well in 7th grade but your really just an idiot who will never make his life any better

Yes, I am projecting but deep down you know its all true

>>26359821
Not OP but yeah that's pretty much it. I don't even like videogames that much anymore either so middle and high school were both huge wastes of time.

>>26359843
why dont you do something about it?
plenty of people fuck around and waste their twenties bu still end up happy and somewhat successful. you have plenty of time

>>26359282
Always funny to see these posts. Wasting away your days on 4chan/instagram/facebook is like the hallmark of averagely intelligent millennials.

You are 105 IQ at the most.

>>26359333
I'm 22 and what most robots would call "successful" in that I'm in my last year of grad school for engineering and had straight A's up until recently, and a job offer. But I'm still empty and dead inside and starting to dread being a wage slave. But at the same time the only thing that makes me more depressed is the prospect of NEETdom.

>>26360443
I had an IQ of 130 when tested by a professional back in high school, but I still think I'm an idiot. 4chan is a worse addiction for me than games and even porn. Yet I still excelled in school up until this past year, where I started to question my interest in everything I've studied up until now (electrical engineering).

This is the result of my parents' attitude that all that matters in life is doing well in school and getting a job and some vague notion of "happiness," When in truth, a wife and a family are what we really crave.

>>26361018
>a wife and a family are what we really crave
Speak for yourself, Norman. I need some god damn silence and to get away from everyone making all this noise 24/7. I have no doubt as to why people are so stupid, no one can ever hear themselves think.

>>26361146
I'm an autist and yet now that I've grown up a bit I know this is what I crave, even though I wouldn't be fit to do it properly.

>>26359386
>If you cannot put something out into the world, you are as intelligent as the toilet that I piss in.
This, a thousand times this.

I got an IT career going without a college degree, connections or XP, and I'm just plain ol'
>gifted

there's nothing to do in human life, we're all pigeon-holed into working our entire lives or spending our entire life trying to figure out how to not work for our entire life.
that's all people can do: is brag about their worthless academic achievements, because that's all we're doing as a species or that's all we can do.
we aren't getting any closer to a new paradigm, just more crisis, more inequality, more poverty.
that old saying, 'the rich keep gettin' richer and the poor poorer' is all that happens, plus the stagnation of our people.

>>26359282
>smart
>hated school
I don't think I've ever met a person who was genuinely intelligent who hated school. You don't have to put any effort into anything and can coast by top of your classes without giving a fuck.

>>26362062
> You don't have to put any effort into anything and can coast by top of your classes without giving a fuck.
I'd like to see you try that in engineering or in medical school.
>protip: it ain't gonna happen

>>26362041
Yes, you're smarter than everyone else with your HS diploma, or better yet, your GED.

People like you don't seem to realize that academic training isn't just a piece of paper that gets you nicer jobs, but it's the difference between being able to design bridges or healing the sick and being able to only flip burgers.

>>26359282
Work ethic is just as important if not more so than intelligence if you're going to achieve anything.

I can already tell by your writing that you aren't a genius.

>>26359386
This, I never exercised my intellect like OP early on, so I know we ain't smart realistically.
The further application of imagination is that you achieve momentary choices that you want 'desire' / need.
Generally the most rewarding goals require consistent effort / long term plan and True intelligence is the unique approach in order to achieve it, generally recognised by quality and speed.
Nigger laziness is a dumb trait, but we in same boat so just chill cause as long as you understand yourself / faults you won't emotionally explode or anything.

To all the people saying that intelligence is irrelevant and that if he's lazy he's just a loser and intelligence is just defense mechanist - I think that's actually OP's point, he's acknowledging that he's a failure and that actually not being able to put any of his possible skills to work is what torments him.

I am personally on slightly similar boat, I don't think I am exceptional, even though people were trying to drill that into my head constatly when I was a child, but I cannot really utilize even below average input, because I really cannot focus on anything and if I try my mind just drifts away immidiately, little to no subjects I've ever taken just made me want to pursue them further and I'll probably end up NEET again eventually.

One's productivity just doesn't come to pure potential, that's just a small part and if you cannot utilize it then it becomes completely irrelevant.

>>26362387
Also to add suffer from same dissonance with motivation, your probably holding onto a lot of things subconsciously or that you refuse to give thought too that are holding you back.
If you really want to be a normalfag your choice, it comes from imagining your desires again like when you were young, everything in the world was limitless as you never placed restrictions on your understanding.
Even traits you consider like stubbornness and arrogance has been defined, nothing should have a cognitive good and bad repercussion when applied , fuck how other people deal with it just go back to basics, if you have certain levels of strength it deters others around you that live in a normies society / rules and ways they recognise each other.
Good luck keeping your sanity separate while building up your strengths again, don't give power to most of these thoughts as well you need to condense it all footnote style cause its easy to forget the mental discussions of the justifications in your choices. Reflect before sleep for an hour or two, otherwise never freeze up, work on instinct the best you can Spaghetti man.

>>26362419
Mental and emotional intelligence, in other words wisdom derived from life experience is what you lack. It's the stamina levels of your thinking power, which is only expressed in daily activity by completing a pursuit / job.
You can be a bright cookie but if you feel like crap it's probably from current lack of connection in the form of respect / recognition.
If you want that shit time to apply yourself like the 2nd poster eloquently said.

>>26362215
i never went to college, but i trained myself how to grow plants. also, farming is a trade.
my post never even implied that, i was explaining why people brag about their achievements in an objective way, no need to project.

"people like me" realize that you don't need college to contribute to society.

>>26359282
ITT (and in every single other IQ thread ever made): intelligent cowards denying the importance and rarity of their IQs out of fear of the 'intelligent' status which would mean taking up responsibility for it, also harming the society in the process by implicitly denying IQ's external validity.

Same old, ever same old.

>>26362572
In other words, if you want cliched fallacies and an echo chamber, your go-to subject is IQ.

>muh hard work

>le genius underachiever meme
>"Look mom this website with minigames told me I am the smartest person in the world and I should be paid thousands of millions just for existing! :))"

>>26362572
same thing with college grads.
really educated cowards, denying the importance of their education so they don't have to take up responsibility now that they have the power to actually make changes.

what can i highschool drop out do other than flip burgers, according to the people in this thread? i guess it all comes down to college grads then?

Really just embrace the cardinal sin of being a sloth, if you harbour desires like 'I want a life with a hot wife', be an Honourable father, raise a cute daughterfu, have a decent materialistic object like a car or better standard of living like nicer house, etc. Better improve your self reliance and step it up, they are long term stuff and your I. Q will only be reflected by achieving this faster than others by the average amount of time.
Otherwise dig in cause there are risks you'll never get it, but it's the choice you make.

>>26362595
In fact, posts like this make wonder... how has the 'IQ is meaningless unless you apply it' error become so common, so universal, and yet literally no one except me has ever bothered to point it out?

Trivial answer: because that error is what people WANT to think.

>>26362556
The problem is that I really don't want any recognition, I have literally zero motivation to do anything ever. When I process anything though simple cost/benefit analysis I just simply conclude it's not worth doing, I'd rather just sit in front of my computer than do almost any other activity that would put me forward in my life, in my mind it's just not worth it and it's not something I'd want to indulge in.

That's the problem and I don't really even expect anything, I don't think society owes me anything or that I should automatically find some real solace in life, there are no universal cosmic forces that would make me think I should expect so, but it doesn't change the fact that I feel like I've kind of drawn a way shorter straw than most of the people around me.

And I do understand that most people really don't enjoy what they're doing, but they at least find justification in doing such things by appealing to different areas of their life, like I want to build something, I want to go ahead, I want to learn something, I want to meet new people, I want to start a family, I want to find a girlfriend, I want to be popular, but none of these common motivaton markers apply to me at all, thus I cannot really justify any action I should get motivated to do and I rather just endlessly waste my time on the internet without any actual purpose apart from wasting the time self. I am now sitting duck waiting to die and I am kind of okay with that, because the alternatives are just simply worse for me.

>>26362618
>error

How so?

>>26362618
(For the no one who is interested: again, the error is that it is artificially uncoupling something that in nature comes together, with the result of obscuring that relationship before the public. It's like saying 'love is meaningless if it comes with domestic abuse'. Well, obviously. That's 'true'. Except it totally obscures the fact that love does not come with abuse, but the opposite of it, with caring. Again, IQ is a PREDICTOR. 'IQ is useless unless you use it' is like saying 'a thing that comes with x is useless unless it comes with x'. Because what matters is the TENDENCY for IQ to entail achievement. What IQ is to be used for is RELATING IT to achievement. You need to take a step back, so that you can see that the question to ask is, WHETHER having a high IQ tends to, ultimately, result in achievement compared with low IQ people. The answer is a resounding yes -- and incidentally also what every single politician, religious leader, and person in general is struggling desperately to obscure, stressing the tautology of 'shortcomings of IQ can be overcome if you, like, try really, really, really hard'. Again and again and again, obviously -- if you impose arbitrary preconditions that one tries really hard, literally everything is achievable. But the social task before us is identifying the traits that facilitate achievement under regular conditions. And that trait has been identified 50 years ago. It is IQ. Everything else you could think of, wealth, education, is just its hidden proxy. Except this won't excite anyone if its external correlates are being obscured, which they are as well, for populist reasons, 'what matters is effort', hurting the society eugenics-wise, but that's another story.)

>>26362665
See above. It's not even wrong. It's a tautology. You must understand that some claims are true, but worthless. 'IQ is meaningless unless...' is an example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZGg2rvyTm4
Here is some solid advice.

>>26362731
>'a thing that comes with x is useless unless it comes with x'

In short, people who say 'IQ is worthless unless you use it' couldn't care less about the truth (even if that claim had any truth value); make no mistake, their goal is just to utter the sacred phrase 'IQ is worthless'. They just want to use those two words in one sentence, to everyone's incidental applause too.

>>26362647
Well just keep in mind us hikikomori are scum for a reason due to the separation from society that is required for basic needs like food /shelter we are reliant on.

You probably feel the hole inside yourself since you currently lack interesting distractions / entertainment that we live off. Everyone seeks something off the net that human society has collaborated to create. Currently I'm in a xianxia gap since I've read everything I find interesting off wuxiaworld. If you get lucky you find something off Chan that will amuse yourself for a while, nothing really wrong living that way. Just don't forget all action has a reaction and unawareness of them leads to sever repercussion.

>>26362731
In other words, every time a useful idiot spouts his 'IQ doesn't matter, what matters is effort and dedication', the question to ask is, 'okay, but does that matter any in terms of science? you can say this, fine, but what is the actual at-the-end-of-the-day relationship between IQ and achievement? you can extol motivation all you want, but at the end of the day, isn't it that all such exhortations are useless unless one has IQ anyway? because if so, and if it is perhaps only IQ after all that is the actual necessary workhorse behind all kinds of artistic and technological achievement, then aren't you doing the society a disservice by obscuring its importance?'.

I so wish ANYONE would remember this. But I have given up hope years ago. 99.999% of people never would.

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>>26362821
hey anti-buddha how's it going?
it's been a while since I've seen you around these parts
just got done meditating, shit was so cash

>>26359282
I tested Mensa (only just) on a state-standardized IQ test at the age of 16. I can assure you, it's a meme number. Applauded as some intellectual throughout high school, I breezed through.

Teacher said every creative piece I did was a deconstruction and the subsequent surpass of irony within post-modernism. It's what I aimed for, sure.. but it wasn't profound enough. I could tell the teacher just hadn't encountered much similar and became infatuated with me as a student. It was suffocating. I'm not some intellectual freak that will change the course of the literary world - far from.

I was risen a year level above in mathematics and was basically a science experiment to my classmates. All the education system and the students wanted to do was press my buttons and believed I had some valuable insight into every topic. Yeah, I had some insight into topics which interested me - but why were they infatuated with my thoughts on topics which I really didn't even care about?

At 17, I was sick of it. I became mentally unwell, the whole system impressed unrealistic expectations on me and I collapsed. I brought together four other intellectuals (though, I consider they intellectual but not myself) and they were in similar mental discord. For whatever reason, we were all mentally unhealthy. And I, sadly, in a delusional state, created a cult. I've spoken about this on /r9k/ once before. A Marxist cult which believed me the bringer for class abolishment. Eventually it slipped further and further into the rabbit hole of misconstrued deism. It was all a fallacy. It resulted in my first relationship (with a cult member) and continued on for the remainder of education. Afterwards they realized a world outside exists. Girlfriend left me and told me I was a heathen responsible for perpetuating mental abuse on already vulnerable people.

One of the prior cult members recently committed suicide. And I don't know how long I can continue on with his blood on my hands.

>>26359784
This. When I went to a ghetto af high school, I believed that I was a special snowflake just because nobody else gave a shit about schoolwork.
Then I ventured out into the real world and realized that I was just another average dude. If you believe that you're a "genius" who is just too lazy to accomplish anything, then you're really just a retard who hasn't had enough social interaction to realize they aren't very special. Unless you pick up your ass and do something with your life, you will get NOWHERE.

>>26362821
In short, '...what matters is that you keep trying' is an intellectual cheat code. It trumps every single other predictor of success by definition, because it is by definition exactly the amount of effort (of trying) that's necessary to achieve the thing in question. Which is exactly why it has been invented. It is a strictly anti-scientific device: it is designed to silence people pointing out falsifiable, e.g. genetic predictors of achievement such as IQ, which can be used to improve the society from the bottom, by saying 'NAH-HAH! here's an even better predictor: EFFORT!!! ha! what say you to that? you can't deny that it's even better, because while natural and nurtural predictors are never perfect, mine, motivation, is!!! now go shame yourself.' And people at large, uneducated and never having heard of the concept of a tautology, concede victory against the narrow-minded proponent of determinism and scientism, because 'he puts so much faith into human agency!'. Whereas in reality only relationships of achievement with nurture and nature can be falsified and used to improve the society.

>>26362838
Old.

>>26362853

Probably the most interesting post I've seen on here in a long time. Are there any screenshots of you talking about it previously?

>>26362880
old?
What the heck does that mean? I'm typing these posts in the present moment aren't I?
You're surely still the same old anti-buddha right? You're sticking with your hallmark walls of text and autistic obsession aren't you?

>>26362853
>it's a meme number

Old.

>>26362873
>realized that I was just another average dude

No you're not, you have just been unobservant and easily confused the average of your new environment/job/school for the population's average while in reality it's significantly above it (a SD at least).

This error is slightly more entertaining to explain, but it's old as well.

Every single fallacy people commit in IQ threads is old.

Coming to them brings nothing but disappointment.

>>26362731
Posting a wall of text of incoherent rambling does not make you a genius, nor make anyone think you have a clue.

>>26362903
>does not make you a genius, nor make anyone think you have a clue

I have been abused far beyond the point of having anymore any desire to impress.

>>26362790
Recently I've been kind of thinking about Hikkis/NEETs are modern epicureanists, just be satisfied with bare minimum, without caring where that minimum comes from and indulge in activities you find interesting amusing.

But honestly, one of the biggest problems in life for me is that insatiable hunger we all feel and the diminishing return the activities we do bring us. I can try to find new video game/album that I will enjoy and it'll genuinely brighten my life for a time, but I know that's inevitable that I will start enjoying said activity less and less over time until there arrives period where consuming the medium doesn't even bring me joy anymore and I always have that in back of my mind, that's why I just endulge in the same mediocre entertainemt without seeking much beyond that, because I know that whatever I will find will just become mundane and I cannot stop it, so I usually just don't even bother anymore and that translates quite heavily into my life.

I just kind of wish I could be enthusiastic about something, really root for a cause or seek out something amazing, but I just don't bother, because I know it's just a temporary fix for the vapidness of existance, it's literally a carrot on a stick that keeps people going further and further and I see that carrot for what it is - unchieveable goal that just gets further and further the close I keep getting to it. It's literally my own Sisyphus stone that I keep lifting further with no effect.

>>26362731
I think your counterpoint grows weak from your foundations that Relevancy in an I.Q index ultimately reflects your status only.
There's a huge difference between a label which you want I. Q to stand by compared to I. Q as a measurement to reflect achievements.
Why else would people create a system of measurement than ultimately to gain results from nurturing these individuals to reap benefits for society by their insights / discoveries. 'Ensue list of jobs in highly educated fields'
If you gain no achievements from high I. Q it will only be something to nurture your ego /label.
Being measured on general intelligence / analysis still does try magically grant you the skills of specialists which society runs by.

>>26362884
As far as I'm aware, no. I was having a terrible night and a person I know in person with similar mental health discord too tried taking advantage of me. He's a neo-Nazi nationalist but without perpetuated violence that's afraid of Cultural Marxism destroying European culture. And he tried to brainwash me with Holocaust 'revisionism' (denial, as I'd more suitably call it), because he's basically following my steps of the creation of a cult of the mentally ill intellectuals except not down the Marxist approach I facilitated. He knew I could lead and wanted my talents, essentially. So I came here and to /pol/ briefly.

>>26362967
>If you gain no achievements from high I. Q it will only be something to nurture your ego /label.

Way to fail to read my post.

>Being measured on general intelligence / analysis still does try magically grant you the skills of specialists which society runs by.

This fallacy is common too. 'IQ is only still around because of ego-stroking'. Not true. It is the single biggest predictor of societal success, ranging from income to education to health to longevity. I know your fallacious reply to that in turn of course as well: 'but it doesn't make people HAPPY, here's my anecdotal evidence'. This doesn't matter. Happiness is not the endgoal of society. There are more important things than happiness. You wouldn't throw the society back into hunter-gatherer stage if you only found that people there were self-description-wise 'happier' than the modern man. Because you understand that self-description is not everything in the face of the hard facts that IQ comes with less diseases, less fractures, less mental illnesses, less crime, less violence, less...

>>26363000
And that's not even to mention that even if IQ didn't make people conventionally happy, which is tenuous at best, it definitely results in advancements in technology and policy that make LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE that. So this pseudoargument is even more irrelevant than it seemed.

>>26362943
Yeah same here brother, but instead of being an an hero I just came to terms with that vapidness of it. 15+ years and a couple breakdowns I've come to a reasonable distance amongst the last I'm connected to. It takes me forever to start things, like mental blackouts to start new things sometimes, but I'm Zen in my current situation for now and vicariously enjoy what I read. Whelp for however it all lasts we'll just have to see.

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>>26363062
...It feels bizarre to be the only person ITT who's saying something as opposed to swapping anecdotal stories.

Even more bizarre than ironic feels the fact that I literally have the lowest IQ ITT.

>>26363077
I kind of came to term with that as well, though I might have an advantage, because I might be genuine spectrum case, making it all actually possible, because I feel like even though plenty of normal people can arrive to same conclusions/state of mine, they won't ever be on the same level of comfortability and humility, because they actually do want to achieve something deep inside of themselves and they realize that the whole act is just mental gymnastics to relief them from that responsibility and hide away their true self. People really are social beings and being without human contact does burden them heavily and you can escape from that only partially if you are normal person.

>>26363062
>results in advancements in technology and policy that make LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE that

In other words, if anyone at all ordered their acquaintances from best to worst as a person, in terms of whether they're likable, there would be significant overlap with IQ. No, the overlap would not be 'perfect'; it too is hilarious how people only (& always) bring the 'not perfect tho' accusation in terms of IQ, and never in terms of any other empirical relationship. Again, as long pointed out, this only testifies to the strength of relationships of IQ. Those grapes are particularly sour.

>>26363114
You've just repeated common knowledge, do you want a cookie?

>>26363191
(In short, frequency of anecdotal counterevidence is directly proportional to the validity of a measurement.)

>>26363200
For saying things everyone knows are true? No.
For saying things literally everyone vehemently denies in spite of innerly knowing they are true? Yes please.

>>26363215
>frequency of anecdotal counterevidence is directly proportional to the validity of a measurement

(Most succinctly stated, of course, in the very strawman of 'IQ is not everything', which -- 'IQ is everything' -- I actually literally think might have said no one ever.)

>>26363253
In short, IQ is the victim of a witch hunt. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon of '...not everything!!!', no one bothers to stop and think if it actually *is* anything and if so, then what.

>>26363114
All you have done is vomit out walls of text that sound like the ramblings of my drunken uncle.

You are not as smart as you think.

>>26363261
Although a bit bitter before I can clearly agree to this definition now, it's only a tool of measurement albeit an important one for those who value it.

>>26363261
For instance, to measure the overlap -- the identity -- between IQ and purported alternatives to g such as the 'multiple intelligences' or 'mental adaptability' or 'mental flexibility' or whatever shit, which is sold as 'the new IQ' but in reality turns to be more or less it.

>>26363315
>You are not as smart as you think.

I am long past the stage of relying on online IQ tests.

I am long past the stage of relying on professional IQ tests.

I am long past the stage of relying on online IQ tests again when I realized there are valid, reliable ones.

The stage I'm currently in is realizing the bidirectionality and universality of testing in terms of 'everything is a non-verbal test' in terms of 'IQ predicts fashion sense, fashion sense predicts IQ', and collecting as many indirect premises to my IQ as possible.

I am exactly as smart as I think.

>>26363324
>it's only a tool of measurement albeit an important one for those who value it

'All IQ measures the ability to take IQ tests' is just about pushing the limits of how flatly, demonstrably false a claim can be without being seen as such.

>>26363339
So you think you are average to slightly above average in intellect?

>>26363402
Incorrect.


Oh, original.

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>>26359282
I love this meme so much. News flash retard you're not a genius a genius or let alone anyone with even a shred of intelligence would be able fix their laziness you're just a lazy average joe that lies to himself that he's smart so he feels better. Just like how every one on the planet thinks they are above average intelligence. Stop making excuses for yourself

>>26363451
>anyone with even a shred of intelligence would be able fix their laziness

This is the place at which IQ's vast validity backfires, by the way.

People see IQ predicts a lot, so they begin to *define* intelligence as those things. E.g.

>IQ predicts success
>therefore intelligence IS success

>IQ predicts achievement
>therefore intelligence IS achievement

The predicts-is distinction is thus lost, and so we have people saying 'you're not intelligent unless you achieve x'. Which would be fine, except the person in reality REMAINS intelligent, and saying this obscures the relationships between their intelligence and its correlates y, z, ..., which remain well in place.

>>26363478
(Or, conversely, erroneously elevates to the 'intelligent' label people who manage to succeed in some isolated, narrow, albeit common sense of success, e.g. having a job and being happy, while failing in all other senses of intelligence: common sense, cultural and historical orientation, etc.)

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>>26363497
tl;dr rampant metonymy has fucked up the word 'intelligence' beyond repair and it is indeed better to just refer to g.

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>>26363478
I completely disagree a lazy intelligent person is probably one in a million and most certainly no one on this board. Everyone just loves to make excuses for themselves "I'm super smart but I'm lazy guys". Lol yeah right. Intelligent people always better themselves because they can see their shortcomings and fix them ie fixing laziness.

>>26363507
This reminds me... it is very hard to say 'IQ can at times fail to predict life success' without it being misconstrued as saying that there is some better predictor of success than IQ, and you being wrongly considered a 'IQ is not everything' motivating idiot.

>>26363549
>lazy intelligent person is probably one in a million

'Lazy' is not a meaningful, unambiguous term in the first place. How do you measure laziness? You can only measure behaviour of matter, namely properties of your brain, such as IQ. If you say shit like 'doing all one can do', you include a meaningless concept of capacity in your definition.

>Intelligent people always better themselves

That's just bullshit carrot-stick appropriation of the term 'intelligence' to refer to a desirable trait: 'nuh uh you're not intelligent unless you do as I say'. 'Bettering oneself' is ambiguous as fuck as well. Come on.

>>26363598
>>26363549
In short, you can measure things like cortical excitability in the face of seeing a prospect such as a sign saying 'do this'. This would be a good definition of 'laziness'. But only because it doesn't bring the fallacy of free will to the table; it remains in the realm of causal action-reaction tendencies.

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>>26363598
How is "bettering oneself" ambiguous and if you can't figure out how to measure laziness you're pretty stupid it's not rocket science. Let me break it down so you can understand an intelligent person wouldn't wallow in self pity and laziness. They are capable to see what's making their life bad and fix it and if they don't well news flash they probably aren't very smart

>>26363405
Well, you certainly do not seem particularly intelligent. Above average maybe but by no means highly intelligent.

>>26363661
>an intelligent person wouldn't wallow in self pity and laziness

I still don't understand what you mean by 'laziness'.

The brain is a reactive organ. It sees certain sensory stimuli, it releases certain impulses governing the body's motor systems. For instance, it sees an ad online, and it might execute the movements to go to a music shop and buy a guitar. Then its sight and the sight of a receipt will make it carry it home. Then the sight of the guitar sitting in the corner might result in, on certain moments and in certain moods defined as presence of absence of certain chemicals in the brain, result in picking it up and exercising a bit. And the efficacy of it, whether one produces a melody soon enough, might result in increased (or decreased) likelihood of continuing to pick it up and train some more in the future. This is the proper framework in which to discuss human beings. No choice is involved anywhere here; again, pure action-reaction. So what is 'laziness'?

>>26363684
My IQ is 92.

Ha, blox.

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>>26359282

Time makes fools of those who waste it.

>>26363690
(In short, 'laziness' implies capacity.)

>>26363661

Nah this is very wrong. Depression is very real and has a huge effect on people's ability to improve their lives. It can skewer their perception of reality to such a degree they feel totally lost and hopeless and unable to see clearly what to others on the outside seems perfectly obvious.

More intelligent people are more likely to experience lengthy, profound depressions. Combine this with the fact that they often aren't the most down to earth or practical people and it's a recipe for disaster.

As an example:

Average/Below Average Intelligence:
>I am lonely, sad and have no money. What do I need to do?
>A job will mean I go out and meet people and will get money, this will make me happier.
>I'll get a job.

Intelligent person:
>But if I get a job then this might happen
>I won't be good enough for the job
>what if I get stuck in this one job for the rest of my life
>why would being a wageslave make me any happier?
>why will money and worldly goods make me happy? I'm still me and the world is still shit.
>ad infinitum

>>26363771
>More intelligent people are more likely to experience lengthy, profound depressions.

Source?

As in, source for the materialistic fact that high IQ comes with decreased brain function?

>>26363781
>>26363771
Because as it is, one could easily counter your hypothesis with the intelligent person easily finding the arguments in favour of finding and keeping to a job, so it's even.

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>I'm smart but lazy
No you're a fucking idiot
Almost everyone who can't hack it in higher learning or the professional world falls back on this stupid phrase because you're denying what a fool you really are. If you were so smart you'd be working a better job than retail.

>>26359282
>I'm a genuis but I'm just lazy!

Stop this meme. You're average/below average just like the rest of us. I know this because you're here instead of putting your genius brain to use and pulling yourself out of this slump.

If you're a genius you'd come up with a way to make yourself happy and/or rich without following the same path as everyone else. You'd be a writer, business guru, con man, whatever.

>>26363836
>You're average/below average just like the rest of us.

Nonsense.

/r9k/ might be below 4chan average, but it is at least 120.

>>26363853
>>26363836
Also see >>26363478 >>26363497 for why the rampant misdefinition of intelligence as its consequences as opposed to keeping them separate is harmful.)

>>26359282
Yeah, right. The poor, lazy genius. Shut your autistic ass up.

>>26363853
IQ means nothing if you're a failure and a moron. It just means you can solve puzzles on an internet sight.

>>26363897
>It just means you can solve puzzles on an internet sight.

This is false; IQ works in involuntary ways. If you think you can control your memory or association, you are retarded.

>IQ means nothing if you're a failure and a moron.

This has been debunked at length even in this very thread.

>>26363907
You can train your brain genius
If IQ isn't a meme then why are there so many unemployed or underemployed losers on this above average IQ population that is 4chan?

>>26363933
>You can train your brain genius

Babby's first foray into the fallacy of free will.

And pray what underlies the idea to train my brain and the effectiveness of my strategies to do it?

>If IQ isn't a meme then why are there so many unemployed or underemployed losers on this above average IQ population that is 4chan?

Because existence of a relationship doesn't preclude existence of islands of anomaly in which unlikely relationships cluster such as IQ and social failure, you retard.

>>26363949
>what underlies the idea
*what underlies the original occurrence of the idea

Tip: it begins with 'I' and ends with 'Q'.

>>26363690
Your mistake is your idea that the brain will only react to external stimuli, like an insect
The brain can also react to itself though, acting as its own stimuli. In this way, through the focusing and directing of your own thoughts, you can direct the next "reaction" of your brain. In this way, an efficient person will recognise that he is not performing actions that will result in the betterment of his self or surroundings, and through his own will change that

>>26363949
What a lot of pseudo-intellectual garbage you just spouted. You do realize that even some day laborers who can speak multiple languages were able to train themselves to learn extra languages at adulthood. This was done by studying and creating pathways in the brain. You can train logic as well as puzzle solving if you expose yourself enough to it. Being a social failure does not mean you will fail in life. Many Engineers and STEM majors are social failures but they're fucking doing something with their life because they can study and learn. It's all about training in the form of studying you moron.

>>26359412
thats how intelligence works you fucking normie
we see the flaws in the system
we see things you cant comprehend

>>26364017
No you're just a failure who's pulling out mental gymnastics to convince yourself that its everything except you.
>I'm shitty at life so its life's fault, not mine!

>>26363949
>>26363958
In short, freewilltards will always begin to heap more and more arbitrary preconditions on achievement: 'YES YOU CAN DO IT, you just need to ensure this. And, uh, that. And that. And, okay, that and that and that. And that. But all those arbitrary prerequisites fulfilled, if you pull some motivation and persistence and will from thin air in some acausal manner, you TOTALLY can become smart and change your life for the better! You TOTALLY can!'

So their 'you can' becomes thoroughly empirically worthless.

'Yeah you can offset the adverse condition x, you just need to act in spite of it.'

'Yeah the tree can fall in spite of its internal structure whenever it wants, it just has to choose to do so.'

'Yeah the brain can magically have the idea and perseverance to make itself smarter, it just has to choose to do so.'

'Life can become a magic fairy paradise for you as soon as you ensure that it happens.'

Well thanks, tard. Now go on and hit Post as you've been dying to for 30 seconds already, you've already typed your 'stop finding excuses, you lazy faggot'.

>>26363973
>>26363988
Oh Jesus fuck.

>>26362062
>iq 127
>do work in 5 mins sit for 35 mins every period
>hate school
>because i have autism
u fucking normie

>>26362215
what you seek is the term knowledge, not smart. you gain knowledge and skills from HS/COLLEGE
intelligence is determined from genes and environmental factors

>>26362853
It's pretty obvious that you excelled in philosophy tier topics that have no relevance to scientific advancement whatsoever.

Smart? I don't think so Jim. Enjoy your nihilistic cult.

>>26364034
You're really pulling out your whole arsenal to protect your bubble of "I'm smart! Trust me! I'm just lazy and hate the world!"

>>26360952

>"successful"
>enginerring

you're not a genius
you just think you are a genius because you have never challenged yourself

>>26362780
they want to dismiss others positive traits to make themselves feel superior
because how can what they see as a "Failure" be technically superior to them?

>>26363973
>>26363988
...

'Your brain can become better as soon as it magically finds itself having the drive to make itself better!'

To think that there are freewilltards actually teaching at universities, too, not just shitposting on 4chan. One shudders.

>>26362086

Is this some kind of meme to put those two even in the same sentance, literally every other person is a degree'd engineer these days

>>26364055
I made it entirely clear I didn't consider myself intelligent, even explicitly saying it. Glad somebody with a third grade reading level couldn't comprehend that.

>>26364060
>your bubble of "I'm smart!"

Oh wait, you didn't read the thread.

I'm sorry. I always assume the better of people I'm talking with.

>I made it entirely clear I didn't consider myself intelligent, even explicitly saying it.

Because you are a pathetic, falsely modest coward.

>>26364099
Meant to quote >>26364093 in the last sentence.

>>26364099
Keep projecting. I'm sure you'll feel better. It doesn't change anything though.

>>26364080
So you're admitting that you're a failure. You do realize that you can actually go out and do something because of the parallel universe theory, right? You have the choice in choosing what predetermined universe you'd like to continue down. In fact you may be predetermined to wake the fuck up and stop preaching freshmen level philosophy and actually do something rather than mope on the internet.

>>26364109
>Keep projecting.


Yeah yeah, ceterum proiecisti censeo.

>>26364034
>'Yeah the brain can magically have the idea and perseverance to make itself smarter, it just has to choose to do so.'
Well for one, the brain DOES change. It's not a completely static mechanism that is the same from the time you're born to the time you die.

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>>26364030
when did i say that?
get the fuck off this board three letter agency trying to create new school shooters
fuck off already

>>26364099
>Because you are a pathetic, falsely modest coward.
No basis of proof. However, I can now knowingly call you an assumptive imbecile. For me to say I'm not intelligent and then for you to throw a net of supposed 'false modesty' at me means you assume I actually think otherwise or that I present myself in a way where people would think otherwise. Nice try, idiot. Also, everybody suffers bouts of nihilism now.

>>26363771

That second bit is literally not what any reasonable intelligent people think.

Otherwise we wouldn't have doctors or scientists

>>26364137
Vos habere sexus cum hominibus,

>>26364153
>Reeeee get out
The culmination of rebuttals right there.

>>26364132
>you're admitting that you're a failure

'If you disagree with me, you're a loser.'

Okay.

>>26364148
It DOES change. But it cannot change on its own volition, and it is definitely profoundly retarded to insist that it 'can' change itself and offset its own insufficient IQ as soon as it, again, pulls some motivation and knowledge from thin air. DOES FUCKING NO ONE SEE THIS? You're grasping at excuses just to claim that one 'can' do something. You're saying that magical scenarios can happen as soon as 'one' is burdened with ensuring an amount of conditions that has nothing to do with reality, that is completely detached from reality. You're literally as bad as the 'just snap out of it' 'depression isn't real' retards. You're clinging to your empty husk of 'yes you can!...', 'yes a low IQ person can learn a language as long as they try and are dedicated and blah blah blah', you are totally oblivious to the fact that you're running into fairy tale territory. It might actually be a case of very mild psychosis. You lose your anchor to science. REALITY CHECK. In REALITY, your nonsensical exhortations to 'just try' will JUST. NOT. WORK. In REALITY, no person with IQ < 120 will learn a foreign language fluently. Because IT. JUST. DOES. NOT. HAPPEN. Because your vapid 'you can, you just blah blah' DO. NOT. CARRY. ENOUGH. MOTIVATIONAL. PUNCH. To penetrate the IQ-imposed limitations of the person's brain. Snap out of your delusions and go back on Earth.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

>>26364232
...Why have I ever bothered.

You'll just post your clever 'stop finding excuses lol' at me for the thousandth.

>tfw genius level IQ

this meme is retarded. STOP using it. you're making yourself look like a fucking fool.

>>26364156
'I'm not being falsely modest, I swear.'

You are fooling no one and alienating some.

>>26364253
'You are being falsely modest, I swear.'

You reek of irony.

>>26364279
You know nothing of my life events leading me to infer my real IQ.

Again, how about I dropped out of high school because I literally couldn't follow the material?

>>26364297
What the fuck are you mumbling about? Again? I never dropped out of high school. I completed it and went onto university. But I was responsible for the manipulation of a cult of mentally ill (albeit, during episodes myself, which don't excuse it). Have you lost track of which person you're quoting or something?

>>26364348
You implied that I am being falsely modest myself ('reek of irony') in my claims ITT that my IQ is 92 (I see no other possibly ironic posts of mine ITT), to which I replied that you don't know the facts that've led me to this number.

>>26364054
>what you seek is the term knowledge
No, I meant smart. From the POV of the person I was replying to, I figred he's one of those
>I'm intelligent
>but I know higher education is for suckers
>I'm better off mooching off mom and make her warm up me some hot pockets while I shitpost on r9k
idiots.

>not smart. you gain knowledge and skills from HS/COLLEGE
That is true, but you don't get to build bridges or operate on people w/o getting sued without a license to do so. And you can't get a license without a degree.

>>26364092
Try making sense next time.

>>26359282
>I spend my days at a shitty retail job and spending time on the internet, reading and playing vidya.
Then how smart can you be?

>>26359386
/thread
I have a fucked head (hear music all the time, apparently it's bipolar but could develop into schizo been to a few psychiatrists and the loony bin for a few episodes) but in the end it's still a part of me. I have to take responsibility and show I'm accountable by moving forward in life despite my current situation. I've scored into Mensa before but like the anon poster here says its worth jack shit if you can't do something with it.

So I decided to teach myself pre-calc and calc. Now I'm going to a big 10 Uni after dropping out twice and being homeless in 2017. Major in mathematics, gonna prove to them I can take a physics minor or major as well (credit intensive).

See normies are right for the wrong reason. I don't have the luxury to be emotional anymore. I don't have the time to see a shrink either. It's all on me. Sometimes I cry myself to sleep sometimes I can't sleep until 4am and spend the nights alone with my thoughts. Sometimes I still go on alcohol and drug binges .

But if I ever wanna discover the mysteries of the universe and prove to the one girl who has dealt with my autism and bipolar and NOT leave me to drown in sorrow that I'm a good person and lover, I'm gonna have to move forward.

>>26364017
Genius iq here.
It's apparently quite common for iqs 130 and higher to feel disconnected from the people around them, usually due to the intellectual disconnect. It's argued the most stereotypically successful people are around iq 120, enough that they beat there fellow man, but still fit in with them and maintain rapport.
I myself actually do quite well for myself, but you just have to accept who you are. Whenever I go out I'm ALWAYS the odd one out, I've never fit in, just let it be part of your personality
>that chill friendly smart guy that always looks a little out of place

>>26367642
Same. People just keep spouting nonsense, I never really got "small talk". It just feels like they're primates trying to communicate but failing whenever I talk with less intelligent people.
I never understood their thought processes. What drives them to just say dumb filler shit all the time? Why not talk about things that matter, like science, or economics?