Most of the anime fanbase is made up of autists. Autistic people HATE it when you change something. So the industry is forced to stick with "tried and true" tropes, and recycle them over and over again ad nauseum.
You'll have outliers like Monogatari and Kill La Kill, but the moment those shows get popular the autistic fanbase rages hard when you mention those shows, like a hipster who turns his nose up when you mention Alt J.
>>26308183 Its about genres. There are genres aimed at adults, deep and powerful stories with dark art style. But those genres are small, if you want to make it big you make naruto or some other pleb shit.
>>26308105 >Autistic people HATE it when you change something Nailed it. Autists have ass taste in art because they are extremely timid and stubborn at the same time and they are afraid of stepping out of their comfort zone. This is why they will spend thousands of hours playing a certain video game or anime but when you recommend a different one they just go "n-n-no...! s-subjective!".
And then they end up wasting tens of thousands of hours playing counter strike ("n-n-no...! a shooter without sights is not autistic s-subjective!") or league ("it's good because it is popular and a SPORT an OFFICIAL sport") or melee ("trust me the feel is just better than newer games...and BALANCE balance is the MOST important thing ever!") or watching Dragonball or one piece or SAO.
>>26310093 Don't worry about the episode count. Even if you only watch an episode every couple of days you'll be done eventually. It's not a sprint, it's a marathon.
I took almost 3 months to watch it and the last part of that I was just wishing it was longer. It became a part of my daily life in a way that no other show has since.
The first ~30 episodes of the show move pretty fast and the entire series has basically no filler. If you're not sure, just try watching the prequel movie and then the movie that adapts the first two episodes (My Conquest if the Sea of Stars and Overture to a New War) and see if you like it enough to move on from there.
not OP but can I get a rec? I'd ask /a/ but they ban for that
stuff I value in a series: >interesting complex characters >drama, intrigue, mystery. I love when a show makes you feel unsure of things and then slooowly reveals its true nature >interesting or unique plot >aesthetic, setting, and artstyle >slow, methodic pacing >12-26 episodes is the perfect length
shows I've watched and really liked: >evangelion >madoka magica >steins;gate >monster >baccano >cowboy bebop >ping pong >serial experiments lain >not an anime but twin peaks is my favorite show ever
>>26309363 you need 2k hours in counter strike just to keep up on /real/ level
i understand that youre completely clueless and have no idea what youre talking about - your only argument being iron sights (i mean really now) all in all you have some valid points with comfort zone but the counter strike thing gave it away
I'm kind of tempted to just make a list one of these days of all the anime I watched, but then again I also don't care enough to waste my time doing that.
Do what you will with some shows I liked off the top of my head:
Ghost Sweeper Mikami Bakemonogatari (and the rest of the series) SoreMachi Slayers Ranma 1/2 Urusei Yatsura Lupin the Third Gundam (Just start from the beginning if you want to get into it) Mahoujin Guruguru Irresponsible Captain Tylor Shoujo Kakumei Utena Cooking Master Boy Hunter x Hunter (1999 and 2011 are good) Hajime no Ippo
Pretty sure most if not all of these are meant for younger audiences, but that's fine since I don't take these too seriously, and neither should anyone else. If you want a "mature" story or whatever, just reading a book would probably be better.
>>26308015 Same, ive seen over 150 anime, like 60 of it in my first year of neetdom. Its just to shitty, i cant handle anymore typical squealing gooks getting excited over nothing
The plots around high school love, i just cant connect on any level. I hate when faggots from a storm in and tell you you need to watch like 500 of those pieces of shit. Fuck that, id rather be a wagecuck than watch any more garbage anime. The most ironic part of it all is that my favorite anime is the first 2 i ever watched to completion: death note and code geass. as normie and typical as it gets, but the most fun i've ever had when watching anime.
I havent watched anything since kill la kill finished, and i only watched that because it was being marketed like a gurren lagann 2. I just didnt get that vibe at all outside of the art style and insane characters, story wasnt as good as GL, no feel moments, insane fights werent as well animated and lacked punch. I just cant do it anymore m8s
>>26308015 >I feel like I've watched everything worth watching. You're probably not even familiar with 5% of anime. There have been thousands made since the 1960s, and only very few become popular and famous enough that they remain common knowledge over the years and decades (e.g. Bebop, Evangelion, Akira).
>>26308105 >Most of the anime fanbase is made up of autists. This is a meme.
>So the industry is forced to stick with "tried and true" tropes, and recycle them over and over again ad nauseum. American television and movies also have "tropes." Literally everything is a "trope." But I never see anyone complain when the 1000th medical/legal/police drama airs on TV that isn't substantially different from most of the ones that came before it. There is some grumbling about the current wave of superhero movies, but nothing compared to the ear-piercing shrieks of rage and terror that anime causes.
People exaggerate the uniformity of anime anyway. Most people who complain about anime and make various criticisms of it either don't watch it at all or only watch very little. Everything they know is Internet hearsay.
>>26308183 Anime is literally not cartoons (those are two different things), and only some of it is aimed at children. And even the children's anime is very different from children's animation in America.
This is from a show aimed at children that airs during normal hours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixF6PXdIBmo
It may not be representative of what the show is like most of the time, but still.
Also, children's anime that's been aired in the US has usually been censored because of content considered inappropriate for children (like gay and lesbian characters in Sailor Moon).
>>26311919 > Its just to shitty, i cant handle anymore typical squealing gooks getting excited over nothing This is the sort of remark made by people who haven't watched anime and are just repeating what they've heard from other people. So have you actually watched over 150 anime or are you just lying?
>>26313259 I kept a notepad of everything i watched. I wish i knew about my anime list while i was anime binging but i didnt.
Maybe a lot of other people have come to the same solution as i have and dont care about anime anymore. Try thinking with that perspective instead of being some faggot elitist from a who thinks anime is a flawless medium
>>26308015 hopefully you arent indicating that your pic is good
but to answer your query, its because developers found their niche audience
to stray from the bold written money making strategy is beyond most so they dont try, thats why well NEVER get another League of the galactic heroes but well DEFINITELY get 10,000 more Gundam shit animes
I like it because it leaves a lot of unanswered questions and unfolds like old mythology. Answers are hinted at here and there, but we are never given a clear picture. I guess that could be annoying to some extent, but it makes for some interesting reading on evageeks.
>Keep telling yourself that. It's true, so why wouldn't I? Are you saying I shoul tell myself things that aren't true?
>>26313376 The anime industry was commercial right from the start, and it's not a monolith where making one anime precludes making another one. It's also ironic that you want an endless repetition of Legend of Galactic Heroes while complaining that Gundam is bad because it's just endless repetition.
Also, making a space opera in a time when space operas and other scifi were very popular was not exactly a bold move. There have been much riskier productions in recent years.
>>26313383 I think its impact is going to be a bit less considering you can see its influences on later anime. I'm not really good at persuasion or explaining myself but I guess I'd say that it's more about the characters. At first it's kind of monster of the week but it builds on the psychological issues each of the characters have. and the characters even grow to like and be comfortable around each other but then things start tumbling down. and there are enough things that are implied that a second watch can give much more appreciation for what was written. if you do watch it don't skip the last two tv episodes before EoE
Anime is a genre, not some deep, wild scale medium. It has its own iconography, settings, and reoccuring characters. Girls with colorful hair, high schools, and shy introverts is at least half of all animes. Also, lets be real nigger: animefags are awkward as fuck.
I haven't seen any anime that I actually consider good but I just find it entertaining as fuck If you stop trying to critically analyze it and just enjoy the stupid shit that happens then it's a lot of fun Also it's the only form of media that panders to losers and robots and not normies
>>26313580 Anime is not a genre. Scifi, fantasy, romance, action, comedy, historical, magical girl, mecha, sports, harem, ecchi, slice of life, horror, mystery, war... these are genres, and anime has all of them.
>Girls with colorful hair, high schools, and shy introverts is at least half of all animes. "Girls with colorful hair who go to high school" doesn't tell us anything about the work's genre, subject matter, style or target audience.
>Also, lets be real nigger: animefags are awkward as fuck. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. What does that have to do with autism?
>>26313616 It's a lot easier to do new stuff in the beginning of a genre, style, medium or artform The more time passes and the more development occurs the less new things there are to come up with. This is true for everything and has nothing to do with anime in particular. Also, trends come and go and what may have been popular before (space operas) may not be popular anymore.
And why is one series supposed to be such a huge problem anyway? You can just not watch Gundam.
>>26314533 The amount of anime someone has seen doesn't have a very strong correlation with how well they understand anime. People can watch over a thousand anime and yet not understand it any better than someone who's seen ten.
>>26314696 I have encountered many people who have seen hundreds or even over a thousand anime yet understand and appreciate it no better than someone who's barely seen any anime. In fact this is probably the norm in the West.
>>26314733 Anime and cartoons are two different things.
>>26314786 They can only see things through a Western perspective, which means it's impossible for them to understand anime. They are also very easily swayed by memes and buzzwords which further erodes their ability to understand anything. People who don't watch anime are the same way.
>>26314762 I don't think so. Anime can be deep sure, but it's still augmented and distorted animated reality. It's all a cartoon of an idea. It's distanced from life. It can be good, it can also be bad. It's something provoking to be projected upon but it's still, always fake. Cartoon. Caricature. Facsimile. It's easier to see yourself in that over other things.
We can argue semantics but anime is cartoon and caricature.
>>26315791 I call them memes because that's exactly what they are. People go around saying things like "anime is just advertisements!" or "anime is just still images and mouth flaps! or "anime is nothing but moeshit nowadays!" because they saw other people say it. They don't understand the meaning and implications of anything they're saying.
>>26315870 Of course anime is also about boosting manga sales, but people have no comprehension of what that actually means and doesn't mean, they just robotically chant memes they picked up somewhere.
Here's the problem, dearest OP. The Japanese ethos was warped forever by the atomic bomb attacks during WWII. Millions of Japanese men, women, and children were forced to come to terms with the idea of an overwhelmingly powerful entity outside of their control that could wipe them out of existence without warning using unspeakable weapons. They did this, for the most part, by exploring the idea in fiction. Godzilla is one example. Anime is another. If the United States of America were to deploy nuclear weaponry against Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and France, chances are the same thing would happen again: More Godzillas, and more anime. Do you think the world can really handle six animes? In the 1980's, United States President Ronald Reagan developed an idea known as "Mutually-Assured Destruction" (MAD). This philosophy stated that war with Russia would not happen, because there was no way to wage it without both countries being destroyed. I see this same situation today. We cannot nuke more countries for fear of mutually assured destruction when they create more anime. Thank you for your time.
>>26319098 If you think female characters are perverted, it's just evidence of your own perversion.
In much of "otaku" anime the characters are female because otaku prefer female characters. Anime that targets girls has female characters. And there are a lot of female manga authors who make stories with female characters.
>>26319709 It's an incomprehensible idea to me that there is one anime (or game, or movie, or album) that's clearly The Best, and nothing else could ever possibly be as good. It makes no sense.
No matter how good Ashita no Joe is, it's not a better magical girl show than Madoka, or a better mecha show than Evangelion, or a better scifi show than Lain, or a better yuri romance than Aoi Hana. And so on.
Posting good anime >LOGH >Ping Pong >The Tatami Galaxy >Mononoke >Ayakashi: Classic Japanese Horror Stories >Kuuchuu Buranko >Texhnolyze >Kaiji >Shigurui >Detroit Metal City >Now and Then, Here and There
>>26319923 Madoka is garbage to be honest, shock value episode 3 made it into a meme show. Using time travel to explain the red thread throughout the episodes and characters is the cheapest garbage, literally everything works with the time travel excuse. Lets not forget the characters doing their best to act as retarded as possible to make the plot more interesting and that kek explanation of entropy by Kyubi
Lain was alright I guess, but SciFi was never something for me so I am not the best to judge it, the "you were born/created to be an internet god thing was a decently nice idea though.
>>26320002 So you have seen at least Madoka, but because of your weird fixation on AnJ you feel compelled to shit on it any way you can, because you can't allow the existence of any good anime except AnJ. I see.
>>26320069 You seem like you cant stand the fact that your meme anime is trash. Watch it again and tell me that the characters arent written to be as stupid as possible. let me even give you a concret example It didnt even take a total of 15mins of screentime for Kyoko to go from "Ill beat that new MS up" to sacrificing her life for her.
Their morals and standpoints are as deep as a puddle
>>26320171 First he said AnJ is the pinnacle of anime and makes every other anime redundant, which is crazy. Then he replied to >>26319788 with complete nonsense indicating that he isn't even familiar with those shows and was just dismissing them because they aren't AnJ. Then it turns out he has (probably) seen at least Madoka, but his reasons for disliking it are obviously flimsy and seem like they were created just to justify the ultimate superiority of AnJ over all other anime.
evangelion <3 the best anime EVER the most iconic <3 i watched knights of sidonia and it was great ..... the protagonist its a little retard but its good and with a good plot i cant wait for new seasons
>>26320301 >First he said AnJ is the pinnacle of anime and makes every other anime redundant, which is crazy. Then he replied to >>26319788 with complete nonsense indicating that he isn't even familiar with those shows and was just dismissing them because they aren't AnJ. Then it turns out he has (probably) seen at least Madoka, but his reasons for disliking it are obviously flimsy and seem like they were created just to justify the ultimate superiority of AnJ over all other anime. >He seems to be mentally ill.
I see your reasoning, could probably poke at it here and there but Ima go see Natsumes book of friends now, been really comfy so far. Have a good one!
Watch Erased, OP. It's the only anime this season that isn't otaku pander or simplified shounen. >>26308105 >Monogatari series and KLK Those are just as, if not more otaku pandering than most of the garbage put out now a days.
Manga > Visual novels > Anime sorry, but that's just how the cookie crumbles. I like anime don't get me wrong, but I like being able to control the speed at which I read and not having to watch characters fart around for 8 episodes when I could have read through that part in less than an hour
>>26321000 She had too much one day, and just up and left. It was my fault and that makes it hurt even more. I can't undo the past. I wish It wouldn't be the way it is. I just love her so much. It's gunna be okay though I have Konata and things won't be the same with her. I've changed.
>>26321008 >tfw want to be as invested as I was in AnJ with another anime >AnJ made me get more into boxing than I was before >try Ippo >for some unknown reason I can't bring myself to watch it consistently up to the episode right before Ippo fights the big black guy in that tournament
>>26320971 >>26320981 Pandering theory posits that there are two wholly separate groups of people in anime: creators and otaku. Creators are not otaku, and otaku are not creators. Creators want to make anime like Cowboy Bebop, Akira and Ghost in the Shell, while otaku only want "moeshit" and "haremshit." Otaku have either managed to somehow coerce creators into making "otaku anime" against their will, or creators have volunteered to "pander" to them because it makes money.
THIS IS ALL COMPLETELY WRONG.
Creators and otaku are not separate groups of people. Otaku work as manga artists, light novel writers, game designers, anime directors, anime writers, animators, character designers, and voice actors, and so on. Otaku have been a vital part of manga, anime, light novels and games, both as professionals and as amateurs, for decades. Otaku also have broader interests than just "moeshit" and "haremshit" (which are memes and not real things).
You are just projecting your own negative opinions onto creators ("I don't like this thing, therefore the creators were just 'pandering' when they made it because they didn't like it either").
>>26321097 I've moved on is what I like to tell my self, but I still think about her. I want to make my life like it was then, and Konata does that for me. The good memories aren't worth forgetting. But sometimes they do hurt.
>>26321126 AnJ and Ippo are extremely different apart from the fact that the protags arw boxers. Ippo has the shonen formula in fights, he gets his ass kicked for 9 rounds and is out of breath but thanks to willpower and samurai blood he ends up victorious in the end, sure it hypes you but thats pretty much it. Joe shows the sport in a non dreamy way, its horrible consequences, the struggle you have to go through to keep yourself relevant. Joe's journey through boxing changed him from a heartless asshole who only fights for himself into someone who understands the suffering of others, especially his enemies for whom he keeps getting in the ring ( still for himself as well though)
>>26321188 >Implying otaku can't pander to otaku >Implying it's not executive decisions that push for otaku friendly source material to be animated because they'll bring in the yen I mean we can either believe your words or the words of people in the industry. >>26321257 That's "hikkikomori"
You can only "get" anime if you're a robot Anime is made for otaku - the social outcasts of Japanese society As a matter of fact, anime is probably the only form of mainstream media targeted specifically at non-normies So if you're a normalfag, fuck off with your "hurr durr anime sucks" bullshit It's not made for you and you have no right to have an opinion
>>26321262 No, she's real and I'm sure everyone would agree on that fact. Except for a few people, here's the thing though, she made me feel. And she loved me so much. That's what matters in the end. Maybe this isn't even the end? Not worth getting into that though.
>>26321303 >Implying otaku can't pander to otaku If an otaku is a person who loves "moe," why would he/she be engaging in pandering when he/she makes a "moe" story?
>Implying it's not executive decisions that push for otaku friendly source material to be animated because they'll bring in the yen In most cases a studio is hired to adapt something. They don't choose the material themselves. In any case, how do you know how the anime production team feels about the material? You just assume they hate it just because you hate it. That's nothing but projection.
>I mean we can either believe your words or the words of people in the industry. I.e. one unnamed person making a vague comment.
>>26321442 No matter what you say I still love her. And I know deep down she still loves me, even if it's thoughts that only occur to her in the back of her mind. You, not anymore, can take away the love we had.
My friends love anime and are total otakus who want to travel to Japan and become certified gaijin weaboos and only think 2D is the way to be and all this. I've tried my absolute hardest to get into the shows they recommend but I just fucking can't, I feel like an awful friend sometimes. Anime and JRPGs mean the world to them, it's all they really seem to like but I don't watch it nearly as much and the stuff I do watch just gets on my nerves.
Toradora, Monogatari, Madoka, Chuunybio, Lucky Star, Fruits Basket, all that shit they adore more than anything and tell me "moe is life, if an anime isn't moe it isn't a good anime" but I FUCKING HATE IT GODDAMN IT IT'S SO STUPID. If I have to watch even 30 seconds of another goddamn self important high school romance anime I'm gonna kill someone, I don't get how anyone can watch literally the same plot again and again with the same characters that squeel and overreact to everything, it isn't funny and the cute factor wears after the thousandth time seeing the same girl with pink/purple/blue hair pop a cat face. And then they just turn around and tell me that I have shit taste or that I'm an autist who doesn't get good art.
So fucking sorry I don't want to sit through 100+ episodes of moe garbage but I know anime has more to offer than that. I loved Monster, Mushishi, Nichijou, Cowboy Bebop, Black Lagoon, Baccano, Yuru Yuri, Gocchiusa, K-On, old Toonami shit, and the most recent one I can think of liking was that one about the transfer student or whatever helping a ghost girl that has the hots for him solve her own murder, I can't remember the name of it though. I tend to like anime movies a bit more just because they're more concise and I don't have to watch 20 hours worth of filler for a 4 hour plot but maybe that's just me
>>26321721 > I don't get how anyone can watch literally the same plot again and again with the same characters that squeel and overreact to everything, it isn't funny and the cute factor wears after the thousandth time seeing the same girl with pink/purple/blue hair pop a cat face. This is just the same old boilerplate criticism you hear even from people who've never actually watched anime.
>So fucking sorry I don't want to sit through 100+ episodes of moe garbage but I know anime has more to offer than that. I loved Monster, Mushishi, Nichijou, Cowboy Bebop, Black Lagoon, Baccano, Yuru Yuri, Gocchiusa, K-On, old Toonami shi Yuru Yuri, Gochiusa and K-On are orthodox "moe" shows.
>>26321822 It's a standard criticism because it's true, though. How can there be so many shows that are literally exactly the same?
And yeah, orthodox moe shows, sure but they're not complete moe shit and they have something to offer outside of just "kawaii xxxD"
Yuru Yuri's got raunchier humour that's actually well written that you don't see in most anime, Gochiusa's got an interesting setting where the main characters aren't hypertypical cutouts and it focuses almost exclusively on them, it's like a funnier version of Lucky Star, and K-On is also well written on top of being centered around rock music. Besides Detroit Metal City or FLCL to a certain extent (which I also really liked) I don't know any other anime that has such a focus on music.
>>26321721 > I loved Monster, Mushishi, Nichijou, Cowboy Bebop, Black Lagoon, Baccano, Yuru Yuri, Gocchiusa, K-On, old Toonami shit, and the most recent one I can think of liking was that one about the transfer student or whatever helping a ghost girl that has the hots for him solve her own murder, I can't remember the name of it though. I tend to like anime movies a bit more just because they're more concise and I don't have to watch 20 hours worth of filler for a 4 hour plot but maybe that's just me
You just have great taste, your friends are moe-shit loving faggots keep it up anon. You might like code geass
>Dislike moe >Dislike slice of life settings in schools >Dislike harems >Dislikes magical high fantasy stuff >like developing characters >like character arcs >like good animation and style >like story progression and short series >like monogatari series but dislike the fanservice of it
Its a fucking nightmare finding anime I like, its just filled to the brim with schlock, it doesnt mean its bad which it is, just it doesnt appeal to me and its a nightmare finding good shit
I have more luck with mangas >vagabonds >berserk >vinland >Moteki >Blame >punpun >onari master >gantz for popcorn manga fun
good art and good story is a plus not just generic insert mc and big titted 12 yr old girls, jesus christ no.
unless theres a unique twist to it
>wheres my graffiti anime >wheres my art anime >wheres my subverting tropes anime >wheres my anime about a mc getting rid of his harem and hooking up classmates like a cupid so every boy type and every girl type wins >wheres my anime that a random student sits in the mc chair and that single episode is about their story so every mc type gets to shine
>>26322306 >extremely confused From what I understand "moe" just means "stupidly cute shit" so unless that's a fundamental misunderstanding of moe, then I don't think I'm confused, I think I just don't like it.
I think cute can work just fine but not as the basis of the entire show. When it revolves around getting the audience to just yell "so kawaii, anon-chan!~" then it's just stupid. If it has a point and some sort of decent plot or decent writing then I'll enjoy it but most of the time it comes off as autistic people with Peter Pan syndrome desperately trying to relive their young adolescents.
I apologize if that's the entire point of anime in general but I guess I don't have that reverence for my childhood.
>>26322348 I am not talking about tropes. I am talking about memes. Not the same thing.
>>26322399 Moe is a feeling of love/affection/excitement caused by anime/game/manga character. Moe anime could be thought of as anime that strongly emphasizes or exclusively features bishoujo characters (but this doesn't apply in all cases, e.g. Sailor Moon). So a moe anime could mean many things.
In the most narrow possible interpretation, moe anime means shows like K-On, Yuru Yuri, Hidamari Sketch and Gochiusa.
>When it revolves around getting the audience to just yell "so kawaii, anon-chan!~" then it's just stupid. This is a meme and not an accurate representation of moe anime.
>most of the time it comes off as autistic people with Peter Pan syndrome desperately trying to relive their young adolescents. Meme.
>>26322506 Casual Western viewers don't get to decide what constitutes "cancer" in anime.
>>26322506 Go on any anime/gaming message board and you'll usually find a bunch of stereotypical people who only watch anime for the cute girls. It's pretty cringey but that shit happens more often than you might think.
>>26322604 >Moe is a feeling of love/affection/excitement caused by anime/game/manga character.
So now moe just means "liking a character"?
I mean, I think I get what you're trying to say, that it's specific to the big eyed so kawaii's but then also... not somehow? And every criticism I have for it is just a meme that isn't actually my own thought?
>>26322765 >So now moe just means "liking a character"? What do you mean "now"? That's what it has always meant.
>I mean, I think I get what you're trying to say, that it's specific to the big eyed so kawaii's but then also... not somehow? No? I never said anything like that. I don't even know what you're talking about.
>And every criticism I have for it is just a meme that isn't actually my own thought? Virtually every negative statement made about anime or some aspect of anime, whether by those outside or inside the anime community, is some kind of meme.
>>26322892 Translation: "I've seen the five or so mega popular anime everyone always talks about, and I read on the Internet that all the rest is shit. And who am I to question anything I read on the Internet?"
>>26322924 Actually I have watched a lot of anime. At least, after I watched TTGL, eva, and death note I watched a lot of anime. I thought there would be more good anime out there. But nope. It's all shit aside from that. There is a reason why it's popular. It's because it's good, you idiot. I am sure there are other good shows out there, but the fact of the matter is that nearly all of it is tripe.
>>26322930 But it is. It's actually smart, and captivating to watch. Which is more than what I can say for the other 99% of anime.
>>26323007 It is. Seeing light go from a little babby who wants to make the world great again, to a proper madman, and all of the antics that go along with it, with him trying to achieve his goals without getting caught. It's very interesting and you think a lot when watching it.
But because it's a babby's first anime, no one takes it seriously. But it's babby's first anime for a reason -- it's very good.
>>26323054 >Seeing light go from a little babby who wants to make the world great again, to a proper madman, and all of the antics that go along with it, with him trying to achieve his goals without getting caught. There is absolutely nothing intellectual about this. Death Note has an interesting theme but doesn't really explore it at all, it's mostly just concerned with being a thriller that will shock you with its next plot twist. Similar issue that Breaking Bad had its in latter seasons.
>death note is very popular in nipnongchingchongland, too. So it's not just my inferior western tastes. I never said or implied Death Note isn't popular in Japan or that anything popular in the West cannot be popular in Japan.
>>26323318 He is right, but that statement applies to all media. The problem with anime is that most people go from Eva/Death Note to the shitty FOTM anime recommended by 13 year olds instead of watching older and more obscure classics.
>>26323392 Certified anime expert, I'm pretty much aware of every anime in existence (there are roughly around 4000 considering different seasons/OVAs of the same franchise tied together). Not even kidding, I've completed ~1000 anime and have seen an episode or two of many more than that. Most anime is shit.
>>26323469 They are memes and that's why I call them memes. It's not my fault they are memes and that people are posting them in this thread.
Memes have become the dominant, practically exclusive form of criticism towards anime and aspects of anime. There are no more original thoughts or even any thinking at all. Everyone just keeps recycling the exact same ideas using the exact same words, over and over again. Even people who've never watched anime repeat these same things.
>>26323507 Meme. And no, it makes no difference that you're an "anime expert." People can watch even thousands of anime yet still miraculously understand nothing.
>>26323521 I have no trouble sleeping and I'm not a manchild.
>>26323650 >People can watch even thousands of anime yet still miraculously understand nothing. In reality that's very unlikely. That's much more common with people who have only seen a few hundred anime because it's easy to stay inside a niche and never branch out, for example, never watching anime pre-00s. If you've seen thousands of anime you've probably dipped in everything that anime has to offer and have developed a general understanding, even if you do not have an artistic/literary background to analyze media which I assume is the real point you are trying to make.
>>26314837 >>26323650 >it's impossible for them to understand anime >People can watch even thousands of anime yet still miraculously understand nothing.
Yes, anime is deep and edgy that no one but a hardcore weeb manchild can "understand" the complex underlying themes in anime. For a retard that keeps bitching about memes, you are literally a walking meme. Try killing yourself.
>>26323818 For example, they keep whining that SoL anime is bad because "nothing happens," there's no "character development," the characters are "one dimensional," and there's no "plot." This is because they can only understand SoL through conventional Western narratives and ideas.
They keep whining that some anime is "pedophilic," "misogynistic," "sexist" and "objectifying" because their Western perspective is that fiction is always an extension of and a reflection of reality, and they can't understand the idea that anime can be a fantasy separate from reality and real people.
They keep whining that some anime is "otaku pandering" because they've not bothered learning anything at all about Japanese culture and society and the anime industry, and just make assumptions based on their personal opinions and how things work in the West.
Or they'll insert some political and social issues into anime, the anime industry and Japanese society that are only relevant in America.
And so on.
>>26323907 >In reality that's very unlikely. In reality I've seen it many times. Not "thousands of anime," but hundreds or over a thousand. There is often no material difference between a veteran and a newbie. Some people just can't or won't understand anything no matter how many decades they spend watching anime.
>>26324004 Anime is a product of Japanese culture, society, history and language, and the otaku subculture. No, I think it's you who is retarded here.
>>26324071 What makes you think I was talking about the stories and themes in anime and how "deep" they are?
>>26324115 >Anime is a product of Japanese culture, society, history and language, and the otaku subculture. No, I think it's you who is retarded here. This sounds incredibly weeaboo and delusional. Most Japanese film directors and novelists that are acclaimed in Japan also have international renown, someone like Yasujiro Ozu for example is appreciated because of how intrinsically Japanese his films are. Your point doesn't hold because it's not like Japanese themselves consider the vast majority of anime to be anything more than otaku filth, unless you're now going to say that otaku subculture is some sort of underappreciated cultural and intellectual pinnacle.
>>26324205 >This sounds incredibly weeaboo and delusional. It's factually correct and should be a matter of common sense.
>Most Japanese film directors and novelists that are acclaimed in Japan also have international renown, someone like Yasujiro Ozu for example is appreciated because of how intrinsically Japanese his films are. And?
>Your point doesn't hold because it's not like Japanese themselves consider the vast majority of anime to be anything more than otaku filth Meme.
>>26324115 >Anime is a product of Japanese culture, society, history and language, and the otaku subculture. No, I think it's you who is retarded here.
Actually, otaku has a very negative term in Japan and they are ostracized. Most people in Japan hate otaku and don't associate with them. Keep deluding yourself into thinking you're a special snowflake though. I realize it's the only thing you have to hold your fragile ego together and stopping you from killing yourself
>>26324209 >It's routine in the Western anime community. I just don't see it too much. I mainly hang around on reddit and /a/ (not so much anymore). There were quite a few idiots on reddit who claim that fanservice in their favorite show (especially Kill la Kill) is a "parody" and the creator really doesn't like fanservice. >I used to have one before my IP address was banned from MAL for making comments critical of social justice or feminism. Why do you want to see it anyway? Because you seem like an interesting person and i would like to see what kinda anime you've watched and how you've rated them.
>>26324275 You are a special snowflake because you insist on there being some implicit value in anime that only you can appreciate while considering any sort of generally held consensus to be a "meme". You're probably the most delusional anime fan in existence.
>>26324333 I'm delusional because someone made up a quote?
>>26324343 I'm not the only person with comprehensive knowledge of anime, so I'm not a special snowflake. But I am part of a very small group of people.
>while considering any sort of generally held consensus to be a "meme". They are memes because they are incorrect and because people keep mindlessly repeating them almost word for word without having any idea what they might mean.
>>26324284 >>26324313 >>26324353 Miyazaki: Maybe I'm an eccentric. Only one plane I want to make. And for only one person. Not a typical plane fanatic. I don't like Zero fanatics. They're otakus, it's a fetish. They're just obsessed over it. Otakus don't ever learn anything.
Miyazaki is something of a meme too, because people think everything he says is the Word of God and he is the ultimate supreme expert on all things anime and otaku. The reality is that he is just at convinient appeal to apparent authority and nothing more. He hasn't been involved in TV anime since the early 80s, and has probably not watched it since then either. Of course he is also not involved with otaku culture. So what does he know? Nothing.
Anime should stay the way it is to keep you fuckers who bitch and moan about toonami classics out. It's repetitive and pandering with cute characters because it's like a visual drug to make you feel good on a bad day. One of the only mediums where you can repeat a characters life with a chance of a different outcome; I'm sure you've also had moments where you said to yourself "man I wish I can go back in time to that one point and enjoy it all over again." Well that's what anime is. Understand this simple fact losers.
Anyway, animes are targeted to the Japanese population, even though a lot do cross the Pacific and become mainstream in the US. Japanese culture is very regimented and has very high expectation of its citizens. A lot of Japanese feel like they've "wasted their youth" in pursuing goals like studying hard to graduate from a top-tier school or finding a respectable well-paying job. That's why a lot of animes have a focus on teenagers, friendships, and doing whatever the fuck they want. This freedom that they see in animation, is what attracts so many Japanese, and friendless autists overseas. They want to pretend to know what's it's like to be young, free,adventurous, and with lots of friends.
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