Anyone else a shitty extrovert?
I'm ENTP, and I've figured out that I mostly get caught in an Si "grip" that turns me into this psuedo-introvert that just goes through cycles of negative introspection/ realizations.
I feel it stems more from not finding most people interesting enough.
INTP reporting in
Is Vivi an INTP? He seems like to me
>tfw unhealthy Ne
>tfw no INFJ gf to go people watching with
>tfw no INFJ gf to share feels with
>tfw no INFJ gf to tell me about her Ni driven life
>most tests identify me as ENTP
>father and brother both exhibit ENTP traits as well
>was an extremely annoying, misbehaved, overly eccentric, and hyper child
>could not be calmed down no matter what, and reflecting back it would've appeared as if I had ADHD or autism
>always had explicit stranger anxiety, just could not relate to my peers, and never made any true friends
>always preferred to play by myself even though I was an extroverted child
>eventually in 7th grade something clicks and I become an anxiety-ridden, depressed, and despairing little fuck with self-esteem and image issues
>become more introverted than I ever was due to this
>however at times when I was more comfortable, my extroverted traits popped out here and there
>flash forward 7 years
>am desperately attempting to rid my ego of ENTP because I honestly hate how fucking annoying I can be when I let my true self out
>still struggling with low self-esteem, confidence issues, as well as OCD and existential angst
>am intelligent enough to put 2 and 2 together and realize that in my attempts to become something I'm not I just make myself more conflicted
>but I truly want to change my personality from this, even if just to see the world in a new light
what the fuck should I do
>tfw a hybrid of ISTP ISFP INTP INFP
shit's weird yo
ENFP/INFP reporting for duty, yes ma'am
INTJ reporting in, have cheated my way through life doing close to no actual work.
wasnt worth it
Other ENTP here.
I'm a good extrovert, but only when I'm completely comfortable with my appearance since I don't feel my current one I've had most of my life matches my personality.
The "si grip" you mentioned only happens to me due to the former. Most ENTP's are pretty eccentric so we've been beat down are whole lives and it just gets worse every day we don't feel like we can become and stay being our true selves I feel.
Basically we're to repressed to express proper functions because we've been faking it our whole lives after being driven into a hole by society.
yep, but there's still good for us to be had
do what I did anon. Figure out who you truly feel you are and become it. I slightly edged out doing it a few times, but always reverted before heading back to work and family. I'm going for it now though.
Sounds like you trying to shape yourself as INTJ but it's going to work (it's like you focus on single task but then you see a lot of different things which are more interesting). ENTP has the same functions as INTJ but flipped.
what do you mean it's going to work? Will I succeed in my endeavor? Or should I just resort to what >>26278573 did and accept myself? Don't forget that not only am I ENTP, but I have anxiety issues that make any shred of hope I had nada.
>I'm a good extrovert, but only when I'm completely comfortable with my appearance since I don't feel my current one I've had most of my life matches my personality.
>The "si grip" you mentioned only happens to me due to the former. Most ENTP's are pretty eccentric so we've been beat down are whole lives and it just gets worse every day we don't feel like we can become and stay being our true selves I feel.
>Basically we're to repressed to express proper functions because we've been faking it our whole lives after being driven into a hole by society.
I'VE NEVER FELT UNDERSTOOD BY ANYONE IN MY LIFE UP UNTIL NOW
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF LIKE "lived in Si grip all my life" ENTP SUPPORT GROUP
Also for those curious as to what the hell I'm talking about:
>Lengthy Episodes in the Grip
INTP reporting in.
The only part that matters is the NT. If you aren't intuitive, then you're a rigid, unimaginative dolt who can't deal with new situations. If you aren't a thinker, then you're a meat machine who is slave to your glandular squeezings. Only NTs are sane, intelligent, creative human beings.
NT master race.
ISTJs are pretty dope at meme-ing/ existentialism, ISTPs are pretty good at being fun idiots. An ENFP or INFJ that has their Fi under a tight leash (and very self-aware/ critical of their actions) is amazing.
But yeah; generally people who don't take themselves too seriously. Those are the best.
INTP -very good at theory crafting and flaw finding but get's lost in his thoughts easily and prone to laziness
INTJ - focuses on single goals but prone to rationalize his faults just because single mistake in the past and he's unable to get though it
ENTP - sees things from different perspectives, full of interesting combinations, speaks like 300 words per second but can be content without doing anything on material plane
ENTJ - can motivate people and get things done but is wreck without having his internal vision aka how he's imagines his life should go in the future.
>ENTPs approach the outer world with trust and optimism, and see the environment as welcoming, safe, and exhilarating
And here I am a misanthropic nihilistic ENTP who's frightened by the outside world!
I know some INTJs irl
You guys are not nearly as smart as you think you are.
All it takes is a few fucked up memes to put you into a coma.
In general, the only reason to care about people is for their ideas/ motivations/ discoveries/ drive.
It's just that if everyone is too caught up in their dignity/ routine/ complaining about stuff they take no steps to change/ petty shit, we can easily just say "fuck this gay earth" and go into this self analysing/ self-judging loop of shit.
Honestly, all my life I feel like I've been inaccurately portrayed. Once I get my own place I'll finally have more control over myself/ my appearance. Based off what someone else in this thread said, I feel like I could finally "bee myself" and legit have it work. Especially now that I wouldn't be one of those cunty self-absorbed extroverts, and have practised Te practically/ set moral boundaries/ know MORE about myself and what I have to offer/ know about all possible negative perspectives this world has shown me.
Really feel like I could rule the world.
glad we share the feels, but I can't really read all of that right now from your link
I wouldn't say frightened, more unsure and unforgiven from past experience
become your you and own it for one day/night. your feelings will change
crushing defeat. I'm there with you, but there's always a way to change man
wow so ironic, I immediately picked up on the mis-spelling of "...when you imediately pick up on spelling, grammar and punctuation mistakes"
FUCK OFF, also it should be "spelling, grammar, and/or punctuation mistakes.
my INTJ friend is good at some things and talks shit like he's a boss but he's emotionally crippled and everyone knows he's on track to be a foreveralone
Being really good at a few things is cool, but if you're good at those at the expense of other things then you're kind of a lameass
>As the connection with dominant Intuition diminishes, so do Extraverted Intuitive types' characteristic enthusiasm, optimism, and energetic approach to life. When their hold on their dominant and auxiliary functions continues to taper off, the qualities of inferior Introverted Sensing manifest in withdrawal and depression, obsessiveness, and a focus on the body. For ENTPs, tertiary Feeling emerges as strong, uncontrollable, and emotional criticism that accompanies the obsessive facts that overwhelm them. The tertiary Thinking of ENFPs contributes to their obsessive facts the sarcastic, legalistic logic that proves others' failings.
>when Extraverted Intuitive types are chronically in the grip of inferior Introverted Sensing, inferior function behavior may become habitual. Little of their typical enthusiasm, open-minded acceptance of new ideas, and uncanny visioning of future trends will be seen. Instead, they will be irritable, critical of everyone around them, and obsessed with minutia.They are likely to find fault with everything and everyone, especially close family members and co-workers. If their obsessiveness involves a focus on imagined illness, they may be unable to shake their conviction that they are seriously ill, despite medical reassurances. Depression may result from this or simply as a consequence of their unnatural focus on negative realities in the present.
>Chronic grip behavior may lead the individual and others to believe that he or she is typically irritable, impatient, and cranky, vacillating between withdrawal and frenetic activity. Since the process of becoming chronically in the grip is often gradual, even people who have known the person in a nonstressed state are likely not to notice what, in retrospect will be recognized as a radical alteration of personality. The person will appear to be a rather exaggerated, poorly developed Introverted Sensing type.
This is your life:
> You know everything about everyone
> Instantly able to tell authenticity
> Despite your deep interest in people/ upholding a community, you are reserved
> You feel fucking insane- your brain makes weird connections from weird shit
> Literally unable to explain. If you have Ti developed, you understand the capacity to which you don't understand yourself
> no one knows you- like, the REAL you
> You despise everyone's lack of effort to make life un-shit for everyone
> We're all in this together, but it seems like you're the only one pulling everyone through it
> dark dark thoughts, considerations of being mass murderer/ thoughts that maybe you're a psychopath
> it's just a counter-balance to your retarded overly strong sense of empathy
> you feel you have purpose to make it all better
> for everyone
> you are the world's salvation
ENTP trapped in si grip reporting in, nice to know I'm not just insane.
>tfw both long for and detest human interaction.
Look at examples of healthy entps and learn from them. Richard Feynman, Bertrand Russell, John Cleese, Maddox, Milo Yianoppolis are all entps.
Also, learn the functions, learn your strengths and weaknesses:
How does it feel to be a failed normie?
I bet you're looking forward to that vacation of yours. Can't wait to see all the things/ smell all the things/ taste all the delicious food. And you're hoping people will finally understand your worth. Maybe one day. Maybe one day someone will bake you something nice.
You'd like that, wouldn't you? Too bad you always have to try and prove everything in a hap-hazardous way. With your shitty gut feelings.
I'm not a normie and have never wanted to be a normie. I've always been alone and comfortable with being alone.
I wouldn't mind going on a vacation if I had the money. I love food, yeah. I also wouldn't mind a qt to spend the rest of my life with. Everyone else can fuck off, though.
>believing in horoscope-lite
If you're really interested in the whole trait-based personality type thing take the big 5. There is no foundation whatsoever to MBTI nor Socionics, other than speculation from Jung and later a book by some mother and daughter who didn't know two shits about psychology.
At least doing this sort of thing is something to talk about. We were made to do the test back in collage a few years ago. Nothing has changed.
I'm an entp and holy shit do I find a lot of my friends boring as fuck. I really don't think my friends appreciate how plain they are. But these are my mains, gotta bunch of more extroverted friends who don't just complain so I'd say I'm a pretty good social guy but maybe not a good extrovert.
I'm a pretty outgoing person. I generally like doing things "my way" so even when I'm technically a subordinate, I forge my own way of doing things. I tend to inspire other people to achieve and I've learned how to train people to act by example.
Basically a mini Napoleon. Except I also know how to be comfortable not being in control.
Literally just fuck my shit up
That's the problem with MBTI. You need to know the Jungian functions or else it doesn't really make sense. You might be close to the 50% percentile of judging/perceiving. Most people are average by definition.
INTJ: Ni Te Fi Se
INTP: Ti Ne Si Fe
In reality, the difference is very deep.
The majority of people are sensing types and the majority of women are feeling types. It was biologically necessary for the population to be this way. Who would do the hunting and doing if everyone was an INTP and lost in day dreams? Who would act as a minion if everyone was a confrontational and ENTJ? It's like the colony of alphas in Cyprus in Brave New World.
N types (F too, not just T) are creative and cognitively gifted. However, they are not sane. I'm pretty sure mental illness is much, much more common for intuitives.
I'm guessing this is the beta-outcast nerd personality.
There's a lot of variety even within /ENTP/.
There are cyborgs who wear graphic T's, shout "Look at me I'm so quirky XD" and still get away with it and then there are "perfectly adapted" ENTP's who have professional careers and corporate mindsets. Finally, there are truly creative ENTP's who are constantly learning and evolving. Renaissance men like Leonardo Da Vinci.
>don't consider to recycle
You realize that the whole recycling program was a scam by cocoa cola so they could get free cans right? Nearly all feel good recycling programs end up polluting the environment with all the transportation and other shit.
>controlled by laziness which has lead to depression, stagnation
>love reading and the english language, but i don't want to live the poor writer's life and I can't sit down and write a decent story to save my fucking life
>currently too poor to afford to go back to school
>thinking about becoming an engineer or somefucking thing
>have zero friends outside of work but they're all dumb niggers with no future and no insight and not a single original thought in their heads
I think I should take up writing on the side so I don't go crazy from just browsing 4chan when I'm not working one of my 2 jobs.
You gotta learn about the cognitive functions to understand mbti.
ENTP here laughing at all the lazy, depressed INFP's and INTP's and failed ENTPs (and that one ENTJ who has miraculously failed despite all the odds). I was a NEET and an InCel but I am changing myself. I have walked the first 100 miles of my walk through the United States. I have a bag full of books, and each book I read lightens the weight I carry. I have a crossbow and camping supplies, which I'm going to use to teach myself self reliance. By the end of my trip, I'm going to enroll in community college and use my brain for the one thing it's best at. Computer Science. I hope to start a business one day which I can grow alongside. Not that anyone should give a shit, though.
I finally feel good for once and feel I can become the strong willed person I wanted to be as a child. My sex drive is recovering, since I no longer have the boredom necessary to masturbate and I no longer think nearly as much about traps.