>>26234723 >while nobody expecting anything special out of you. and yet they're still disappointed :/
I can see where you're coming from though. My older sibling has talent so there's less attention on me and my loserdom, she's kind too. I'm glad for her existence although I couldn't tell her that. She's one of the reasons I started trying.
>>26234675 he means that there's no comparison to being naturally talented and working for something. Struggle breeds greatness and the person that achieves his talent through work instead of luck will be more fulfilled and satisfied with his results. its like beating a game with cheats instead of just playing, it will get boring by thw time you reach end of story.
>>26234934 sure but just being better at something doesn't give you the discipline required to achieve things beyond the reach of normal people. besides there's no reason the average person would be unable to reach the talented person, would just take longer but once you catch up its an even playing field.
>>26235026 !?!?!?! if you acknowledge it (I don't see where you did) then do something about it instead of complaining. unless your happy which you don't seem to be since you've apperantly never been satisfied with yourself.
>>26234804 Not really. There aren't really skill level caps in real life, a talented person will be able to go further than someone who has to struggle just to get the basics down, and much faster as well. In fact the person with talent is much more likely to be fulfilled and satisfied at his work than the person without, as the person with talent is able to push the envelopes of what can be done in the subject, or at least achieve a lot with little effort, while the person who can only go off of hard work will forever lag behind struggling and suffering just to keep up ten paces behind the one with talent.
Take playing the piano. I'm sure the person who is able to play 20 songs by the end of a week from just starting would feel much more fulfilled and accomplished than one who is merely able to play "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" by the end of that week. What's more is that being talented starts a snowball effect of positive feelings, where the talent person will see a return on his efforts near immediately, while an untalented person will mostly see frustration and stress with only small occasional rushes of accomplishment, causing the positive person to feel happier and happier with thier constant success, which would cause them to stick to it, while the hard worker will require an immense amount of willpower to stick to something he is constantly failing.
>>26235089 I am unhappy because the world is ruled by evil men and people are dying each day, and I am unable to change anything. I may be here enjoying my first world life while people are dying in subhuman conditions in chinese pawn shops. And I can't stop buying those products because I need them to survive. My sadness comes from realizing the truth.
>>26235054 I meant when the talented people get to a hard part so that they start working hard and by being talented and working hard they'd be able to reach levels that you could never.
> there's no reason the average person would be unable to reach the talented person, in the time it would take to reach the talented person's skill level, you could've already reached an age where your motor skills / body have started to deteriorate.
I disagree as well since some people are born with photographic memory, that's something you can't develop. Sometimes you gotta accept that you'll never reach what others have achieved and focus on what you yourself can try to achieve.
>>26235177 Not that anon, but I couldn't agree more.
>go to med school >realize you can't help people because of infrastructure
most patients don't realize the raw deal they're getting from the system and are still benevolent to their masters. THey believe treatments to work, when their own unhealthy lifestyle causes their issues. If they were just healthy they could fix a lot of their problems, but hospitals wouldn't make money. The people that need doctors are the poor deprived of it, but there's no money in that. Doctors are just pawns in the insurance/hospital/pharmacy game - and there's so much to fix in so little time. Do I just become hedonistic about it? Should I give up my comforts and live among those that need help? Or do I dedicate my life and efforts to fighting the tide? I don't know anymore but I want to lie down.
>>26235177 >And I can't stop buying those products because I need them to survive. They need you to keep buying those products as well so they get paid. They're stuck in a catch 22. I wouldn't think too much on it, no-one really has a solution to that.
>>26234942 I'd be too embarrassed, I'm not usually the feely type IRL. I prefer to mull over them in private. I make sure to thank her whenever she does something for me though.
>>26235477 >The only solution is to ignore it Good,now that you understand it, you understand why we want to die and we hate this life. If you want to pretend everything is fine or deluded yourself, good for you.
>>26235177 volunteer at a soup kitchen, work foe nonprofit. you can at least help disadvantaged people near you if you care so much. btw thwre arent evil guys taking whatever they want and ruling the world, wealthy people are people, your not a part of them(neither am I) but you can't just judge them a whole.
>>26235540 It's not about pretending everything is fine, it's focusing on what you have control on. I could cry and weep for days on end about how the milky-way is on collision course with the neighboring galaxy but what good is it going to do? Shit sucks for those who may be affected by it but I can't fucking do shit about it so I'm not going to worry about it. I've got more relevant things to worry about, like survival and people I can actually help.
>>26235661 if you think its useless then stop and do something you think is useful. if you can't then forget it and try to become a person who can do useful things. in the end trying is all you can do so at least do it instead of wallowing in misery.
>>26235936 Try it for sometime. If you find it easy compared to others, then you hit the spot. However not just cause you are talented means that you will be the best. Sometimes you best isn't good enough.
>>26236241 however late you're willing to deal with it.
I won't say its never too late. Because it can be, given what you want to give up.
Chase your dream now and if you're 30, you may miss out on some other things like family. But what have you got to lose other than your comfort. Then again, the grass isn't greener necessarily. Do what makes you happy.
>>26236409 well, it'd've been easier for you to learn then, but do you want to just learn it for the hell of it? Go for it. Don't expect to be a master at it, unless you really want to. Then you have to practice all the time. Of course they'll be better given the 15 years of experience on you. But there's always someone better than you. You should still want to learn it, regardless of that. Otherwise, what were you really getting into it for?
>>26236467 I want to learn it so I can feel like I've developed a strong skill. That and I want to jazz jam like hell with others. I understand that there will always be someone better than me, even by a decade, but I only have myself to think about. I get jealous easily but I'm trying my best to tone it down. I live with my parents and have a job. Should I quit just to learn something I may not even be great at?
>>26235339 >Don't try because I don't excel at something straight away to be fair, a lot of people feel who say this feel that way because that's exactly how it used to work for them. and there are occasional flukes where it still does.
i reupholstered all of my furniture and built a table because i got sick of looking at my living room one day. didn't know a goddamn thing about any of it. now i do it for money occasionally.
>parents wanted me to have a career in music >mastered piano, trumpet, guitar, even harmonica by adulthood >think it's gay as fuck and quit entirely >want a career in law enforcement instead >can't hold a gun straight from shaky hands >suck at sprinting fast from short legs >high blood pressure kill me
That whole 'hard work' thing is a meme. It's literally on the same tier of advice as 'just bee yourself'
If you are born with natural talent AND work hard then you will succeed. If you just work hard it doesn't matter. I played guitar for 10 years and I am still shit at it. I can practice singing all I want I'll never be Pavarotti. I could have spent my entire youth playing football every day but I'd never even be a pro let alone as good as Lionel Messi.
If you aren't born with natural talent then trying at anything is pointless and will just end in bitter disappointment. If you are not talented you just need to do your wageslave job, play video games, watch tv and drink to stop yourself from committing suicide, until you are 70 years old and your heart explodes from all the boozing, sugar and salt and you are no longer of any use to Mr Shekkelstein. That's real life.
that's because 90% of the population has to do that. Few people have natural ability, or at least any that can make them make it in life. I was pretty good at math and puzzles. Whatever that translates to idk, but I didn't use it so it wasted away. You're throwing out artistic stuff, and the same applies to sports - but to some degree hard work will get you through the professional world. That's what people mean.
100% goddamn true. Life is talent. Those on top see the fruit of their labor and think it applies to the worthless masses. If you fail, the failure is conceptualized not as a admission of inferiority, but a lack of hard work. That way, those on top can feel superior in their position, and those on the bottom can feel only frustrated at themselves and not the world.
I'm a fucking retarded robot in medical school. I busted my ass to be here and others got here by natural ability. We're both here on the same playing field, and they'll surpass me becoming high level specialists, but I'm more than happy to be a generalist with the same degree and decent lifestyle. So genetics has a role, but its not the sole factor.
Except people don't have dreams of being mediocre. People dream of being Famous artists, NBA stars, Writers, Mathematical prodigies.
You're saying people can be happy if they settle for mediocrity. Many of us will never be able to settle. The dissonance between our factual inferiority and our dreams of greatness will haunt us to the grave. LIFE IS GENETICS. Superior or Not. High IQ or Low. Tall or Short. Your life was inscribed on alternating paths of nucleic Acid.
>>26237184 Oh on that point I totally agree. I'm a mediocre student, who had dreams of being bigger than this. I don't have the fortitude or willpower to be better than this. Maybe if I applied myself, but I don't think I can - which is I guess is all that matters.
So the illusion is shattered. Now what do you do? Settling for mediocrity at least takes the dreams out of the equation, which summed up only to being angry at your inferiority. Its a tough pill to swallow, but its that or work to become something better, which you know you can't do.
That just leaves doing what you can within your own framework. We're mostly all mediocre. I guess you can blame society for giving us all hoop-dreams.
Who is doing great things? And why should you care? What are these things and why do you admire them?
Though another way to derive solace is to be okay with your mediocrity by ceasing to compare yourself to others.
Why are you even concerned with others and society? You're measuring yourself against them, but they're a part of society that seeks to parasitize your accomplishments and labors? If you disengage from it, what does it hold over you any longer?
>>26237458 >Who is doing great things? My friends and and family. >And why should you care? Because they're my friends and family, and some of the thing they're doing are among my greatest aspirations. I don't resent them for it; hell, I'm even rooting for them. It just helps to remind me how much of a failure I am. >What are these things and why do you admire them? Attending prestigious universities, getting fancy jobs, partaking in research, getting published, becoming educated and skilled in the things they're passionate about etc. It's hard not to care when you constantly see those around you getting the things you've wanted out of life since you were a child.
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