I do not know whether these thoughts are that of a sane man. All I know is this society is not one for me. I find no enjoyment from possessions. I live in the public housing sector. And now, after reading what little works of Cynicism I could (so few exist) and some works of Stoicism, I believe I'm willing and able to walk the streets and forego the conventional happiness of wealth, fame, and possessions. I wonder if then I will truly find happiness, meaning, generosity, and genuine people. I feel we have lost our way. Our consumption has become uncontrollable. Even right now, I type to you on a smartphone which was oiled with the blood of children, most likely. I now see Cynicism and Stoicism are the natural response against capitalism. Will my doing this change the world? No. I will not change the world as a beggar on the street. But I will hope to find happiness. Are all beggars on the street there of choice? No. Many are disadvantaged and do not think of them all as me. I will disband from my medication, as I feel now the reason why I need it is because of societal expectations. But I will break the shackles from my own hands for myself. After this thread is pruned, I will take my leave.
i will be homeless soon, i want to be some kind of vigilante, i will do whatever i want. i need to be stroner so i will be in the army a year, no matter if i die so it will be fun, the best years of my life where those when i was at the streets fighting and doing some shit,
While I trust that your motives are pure and noble, I think you are romanticizing life without things you see as shackles.
Materialistic happiness is not entirely vacuous, it is grounded in psychological and physical elements
Interesting. From what country do you reside?
Doomed? I'd say yes. The whole economic infrastructure causes tremendously unnecessary booms and constant depressions.
I do romanticize it. I call them shackles because there's this expectation for me to own a house, to own a car, and, even more-so, a house better than those I know and a car better than those I know. And even those I don't know! Like my neighbour and his neighbour. As it is, my stability causes an inability to hold down a job, which is why I'm in the public housing sector currently. If I cannot work, I must find happiness, at the very least. When I walk into a shop, all I see is consumerism I want no part in. I live primarily on the produce I grow in my backyard and occasionally buy meat, rice, pasta, milk, and credit/Internet for my phone.
chile, a ''safe'' country so people are more arrogant than ever , let me explain with an example.
they love so much usa that even if a total autist from pol or arcagay comes to here, he would be a god
interesting thread too
Seroquel, desvenlafaxine, and some anti-anxiety medication I can't seem to find.
Australia. No matter what I do, I'm guaranteed a basics pension at the end of my life, so I have the economic safety to try find happiness. Where are you from, anon?
>I call them shackles because there's this expectation for me to own a house, to own a car, and, even more-so, a house better than those I know and a car better than those I know.
Actually, the expectations are shackles, not the material goods themselves.
The best way to fight the machine is to leave it.
And then spend the rest of your days studying seige warfare.
Yes, exactly. And Cynicism and Stoicism are about dismantling the expectations (especially Cynicism) and also entirely living outside the norm. Take Diogenes, of whom electively lived inside a clay barrel. It really protrudes from the happiness and lifestyle of a dog.
Nice spooks, faggot. Your search for moral superiority or nobility of spirit are no different from the plebeians' search for fame or material possessions. You have rebelled against the bondage of societal expectation but have then made your own shackles for yourself to wear. Do you truly desire to be free from discontent, or are you just acting how you would expect a person in search of freedom to act like?
True wisdom doesn't come from dead men.
just to be stronger, also i dont know what would had happen to me if i didnt have my 2 friends, one from when we were 10 years and my cousins. it would be horrible, some many people here dont have friends atl east i still have them. maybe someday you will hear of a guy in chile who is doing some big chaos, it would be funny
A friend of mine in the days of middle school that had Asperger's Syndome actually suspected I may be. After constant evaluation though, no. Besides mental health issues I'm neurotypical.
I search for answers, that's it. I could read as many philosophy books as I want but how will I truly find understanding if I do not live by the philosophy? I'm certainly not acting how a person in search of freedom would act deliberately. If a person does not find pleasure in life should he not search for meaning in-place of pleasure? It appears as if people work to finance certain vices, whether from the nature of edibles, possessions and collectables, prostitutes, or even to finance children. I have no desire for any of it besides the bare essentials. I only keep this phone and the Internet as so I can connect to the world through superficial means.
I just read a few works about cynicism and stoism. Although I will not abandon my belongings and such, I will abandon expectations and effort.
Things you don't have can't be taken from you.
Things you don't try will not fail.
That means for both: you don't have to lose a single thought on them, therefore your life will be much easier and peacefully.
I will keep my ear out to hear of the big chaos from you, friend. I'm glad you have those two friends, but consider me a friend too (despite us not actually knowing each other). Friends can be invaluable.
I feel you missed a lot of meaning on cynicism and dropped the entire ball on stoicism, sadly.
None taken, because in some way it is indeed cowardish.
However if you are just able to fuck things up, no matter how hard you try and how easy it seems, what's the point?
Constant failure and disappointments led me to this conclusion. And if the tradeoff for a happier life is being called a coward (by normies) then so be it.
Yeah, that's why I made clear that I won't abandon my belongings. I just take what does me good. Call it cynicism light if you want. I mean the main thing about both are: you are sufficient for yourself, don't bother with things that are out of your control and be happy with what you got.
OP, you might be psychotic. Psychosis has made me want to wander the streets homeless too, living out life authentically and, in my eyes, closer to God. I've talked with other psychotic-bots who have felt the same thing. Many of the homeless are schizophrenic or bipolar, both psychotic conditions. I've talked to a lot of them, they all have unique stories. You can also look at religious prophets, they all lived practically homeless and traveled great distances. Jesus probably had a moment just like yours right before he went to fast in the desert for 40 days. Like I was trying to say, desire for a nomadic life seems to be a common feature of the condition. Are you having trouble sleeping? Psychosis usually gives you a huge amount of energy, resulting in insomnia and loss of control over your thoughts or actions. But I'm not trying to dismiss you, on the contrary I think psychosis can be a positive experience that can be very deeply spiritual and cathartic. Several great thinkers had psychotic breakdowns right before they had their "aha!" moment. I can't sleep well, I'm seeing things more often, and I'm starting to feel the surging energy, so I'm probably going into a psychotic state right now. It gives me fear, but also excitement. I have some meds on hand in case things get too wild.
Anyways, living on the street isn't what it was in Greek times. It's going to be very difficult for you. But I think you should try it if you want to, it will be a good learning exercise. Perhaps you will do a lot of introspection or discover new things about yourself. I dunno, I believe what counts as a delusion is very hard to define. Perhaps no one could say that another is insane, because to them it is a true and rational belief.
Sorry that my words are very free and confusing, that's my thought disorder. I had to delete a lot of irrelevant sentences.
I understand, friend. I have been diagnosed with schizophrenia and it's what I believe the seroquel is used to treat. I get these astronomical thoughts sometimes, especially when I'm outside the house. I don't know, I feel like living on the streets, if only for a few weeks, may bring me some clarity. I have little else to do with all my time. I'm on disability benefits, in the public housing sector.. I really have nothing to lose. I wish they would approve me for unlimited travel so I could go on a pilgrimage to other countries and seek some meaning. But instead they want to keep me here and try to starve me, so it seems being a beggar on the street may be a decent expedition.
I figure it's harder than in Greek times. Heck, even in any times. I've heard even monks are rarely unemployed in their own countries anymore. And even the great Buddah himself expects financial compensation at monasteries. I'm agnostic-theist and the theism comes from my heart, but the agnosticism from my head. But a day and time where even the most stoic of religions demands compensation is the time we know greed has seemed too far into our veins.