so we can all agree that best male archetype in a social setting is the attractive iconoclast, right?
>automatic high level of respect and attention for being good looking
>time spent not following the "normies" leads to introspection, knowledge, self-awareness, empathy, and successes
>will speak concisely and genuinely which is refreshing to others and might help them be true to themselves as well
>understanding of the human condition gives you the ability to help others and to manipulate
>people will not want to fuck with you because you tell it like it is, and you give off the vibe that you will assault them if it comes to that
I'm starting college soon (19 y/o freshman, spring/summer master race) and I don't think I'll have to try to be this person, but I can't wait to reap the benefits
I would love to understand more. teach me
no you're a gamma positive
*tips laurel wreath*
Oof. Anon... You don't know anything yet. You're getting out of high school and that shit might've flown there, but in college that's fedora talk. You need real life experience and actual education to do the iconoclast thing
Don't pretend at all. Be genuinely you. There will be things that you aren't comfortable with yet, but the fact that you won't be pretending means that YOU WILL CHANGE and not the mask you convinced yourself was needed
Genuine iconoclast here trying to do what you want to do so you can avoid my terrible error. Seriously.
You will probably enter a period of depression when you go too long without social interaction. You'll be in university and see everyone having fun, but you won't be. You'll be stuck in between envying others for their sense of belonging and despising it. You'll go a long time considering that you are the wrong one and perhaps hedonistic pleasures really are the way to go.
Eventually, though, things will look up. Focus on your studies especially in both emprical and spiritual subjects. Develop hobbies that allow you a creative outlet. Learn different languages and study history. Stay physically fit (bodyweight, sprints). Get into physical labor like gardening, general carpentry, or automobiles. Become a renaissance man and become satisfied in the power that comes from the human mind and flows to talented hands.
If you're lucky, you'll make a few friends on the way. Never stop growing and never let anyone make you think that chasing material pleasures is the answer.
I feel like you're just triggered because you think I'm trying to steal your identity. I see that a lot here, this disbelief that someone else can be cool, when none of us really know anything about each other.
I'll pick one of your points to btfo
>You need real life experience and actual education to do the iconoclast thing
I'm paying for college myself, no loans. DBZ power levels exist, and it's called money.
I'm only going for a year and I WILL have fun, and yes that includes partying and fugging bishes :DD
Eh, if you think that will make you happy, go for it. I tried, and it felt empty, so I gave up on it. I regretted it for a while, but now things are looking so far up it's unreal.
No. Don't be this kind of person. I know one who hangs out in the study room I study in, and his constant berating of others has given him the WORST reputation. He continues to be an asshole despite being TOLD DIRECTLY that nobody appreciates his judgmental words.
If you want to get respect and admiration, say things that DON'T ATTACK STUFF. Seriously. You can judge things, but if you start going off on shit all the time arbitrarily even when nobody else gives a shit, you'll just look like a douchebag - the type of douchebag that women DON'T go for.
>>I have rich parents
>>I reference dragonball z
>>I have money therefore I have real life experience
I'm just telling you that iconoclasts don't get as much fun. It's hard work, and you don't get to rest. But eventually might flower to where you would be if you didn't rebel against everything.
first let me say that I've been in a lot of different social settings, private schools, trap houses, construction sites, mental hospitals, fancy restaurants, quaker communes, cambodia, etc and people TREAT me like an iconoclast. I know that seems a bit paradoxical of me to say, as someone who claims to "stand free from the crowd" but other people's consensus on your character holds a lot of weight, definitely more than a guy on 4chan.org
now unless you're planning on giving me a cop out rebuttal like
>there's no such thing as originality
I'll give you the tiniest bit of information about me. It should be be enough. I'm going to college this year, my first year out of HS, paying for it myself, and then I'm gonna start traveling the entire world when I turn 20, eventually join some military or law enforcement, and write books of course. this is if there is no "SHTF habedig" which I would prefer (this is why I'm voting for trump). there is no good reason why this isn't "special" enough for you.
The best (most successful) male archetype in a social setting is the Chad. If you think you can somehow amalgamate the extroverted and introverted tropes, be my guest, but better man have tried. Besides, iconoclasm by definition requires a break from what society deems attractive behavior, and by extension social success, so actually aspiring to those wouldn't be very iconoclastic of you. In other words, you will be a poser.
is the secret hidden in plain sight that
>OP wouldn't be baiting me on 4chan if he were a REAL iconoclast
or is it that I think about other people at all? I love people, and I enjoy making my interactions with them enjoyable for all parties
>what the fuck is going on?
Then why don't you just try to be conventionally socially attractive? If you try and embody this bullshit maverick ladiesman ideal you've set up you'd neither be a real iconoclast, and you'd have to be very lucky or hang around with genuinely retarded people to be seen as particularly attractive or approachable, either.
>I want to be popular
>>but TV told me I have to be a rebel!
>what should I do???
>I know, I'll be like that guy on tv!
>nice now people will like me especially now that I'm being really fake and condescending all the time
>nobody will get tired of this
I don't "try" to embody anything I'm just beeing myself, but are you really asking me why I don't just be loud and extroverted like a traditional chad? because I wouldn't want a girl who's into that, and I wouldn't be able to do it well more importantly.
I'm sure you've met somebody in real life who's actually like this. Now just imagine that he made this thread. hey maybe you know me. my name's max.
>I'm starting college soon (19 y/o freshman, spring/summer master race) and I don't think I'll have to try to be this person, but I can't wait to reap the benefits
From the OP.
You're clearly thinking of the type of person you want to be months from now. This is not iconoclastic. You have not presented yourself as an iconoclast, but rather as a whinner who likes being at the center of attention. The identity you identified as "the coolest" is not yours, it's what you're trying to be. Therefore, any social stereotype we can suggest to you is valid.
you accidentally spelled "winner" with an H
I am excited because I haven't been in a social setting like college in a while and I know for a fact people like me are loved there.this is exactly who I am, and it works because I just can't be anything else
I forgive you because you haven't been to college
You can sense it though? The one thing you can't understand at the heart of things?
He's trying to walk down a dumbass social path where he pretends to be aloof and cool like house or iron man and tells people why they're wrong, I'm the "ten years older version of him" who did exactly that but it took three years once I figured out what was going on to gain the acceptance he's craving. I'm telling him to loosen his stance and go with the flow instead of controlling everything.
I will sometimes tell people why they're wrong, like if they spell whiner OR winner wrong because maybe they're from sweden (kek) or something, but where did I say I would pretend, where did I say I got this idea from a TV show, where do I say I don't go with the flow and try to control everything, where did I say that "telling people they're wrong" is what I'm all about
maybe the connotations of iconoclast were not suited to my point, 2bqhwu
I'm gonna be completely honest with you, senpai, and say that if I judge someones body and brain to be inferior to mine there is literally nothing they can say to give me the smallest inkling of doubt
>if you avatarfag you are NOT AN ICONOCLAST!
lemme guess, am I silly?
>i dont care
You obviously do.
The only people who take a schoolboy seriously are girls who think you're cute. Literally no one else. Think about it, do you care about what a twelve year old has to say? To the world you are that twelve year old.
I don't really care about old people right now, 2bh. are you old? did you miss out on teen love? I haven't gotten it either, but I've still got some time. at least I've gotten some ptp. wbu?
>>this fucking guy
Alright man. Just remind us who you are in three months when you Come back looking for advice
>sometimes I get checkmated so hard I don't even realize it
you think an iconoclast is gonna write like he's being graded on 4chan? or is he gonna write like he talks? or however the fuck he wants. and I already BTFO that guy>>26219259>>26219272
I take fuckboi as a compliment because it means people think I'm hot, I know who who I am on the inside.
to add to that, I do care what a 12 year old has to say. I don't see why I wouldn't.
>I take fuckboi as a compliment because it means people think I'm hot,
Also if you talk by shrilly ending your sentences with questions and shouting checkmate, I think you've got other problems
I assume people write how they talk. I just happen to write a lot.
You're welcome here any time. I can't promise I'll see it, but if I do I'll try to help. Figuring it out drove me delusionally insane and I don't want anyone to be where I was, with nobody helping them. I think what you're deciding to do is stupid. I hope you don't. But I love you and hope you can become sharp as hell
honestly op, who cares whether you're an iconoclast or not. everything in this thread screams that youre a massive douchefag. nobody cares about how unique and edgy you are if youre an insufferable asshole
everything you write is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the facts
>I'm not changing my personality
>my personality is not abrasive and pretentious, quite the opposite actually
I'm just excited for college, dude. I actually appreciate it, but what you don't get is that I already experienced this enlightenment that you say will come to me in high school. some people just mature faster than others, it's fine.
>>my personality is not abrasive and pretentious, quite the opposite actually
Oh my mistake
Are you sure people aren't just nice to you because you're wealthy
>I'm just excited for college, dude. I actually appreciate it, but what you don't get is that I already experienced this enlightenment that you say will come to me in high school. some people just mature faster than others, it's fine.
you sound like the narcissistic rival from some shonen anime. good luck anon.
neither my personality nor the nature of my business permits me to flash wealth, nor am I in possession of truly exorbitant sums
I am merely self reliant at a young age and I'm proud
There's no point in trying here, fellas. I can't even tell if this is just very well crafted bait or not. Then again, I also forget that there are quite a few genuine autists around these parts.
close but no cigar
>what's better than dealing drugs?
riddle me that
I believed the guy early on in the thread who said he's like me, because he didn't get all triggered and insecure and assume that I was a poser. The iconoclast club has one rule: no haters.
Your core thesis (your coolness) was the only thing that got blown out. You claimed victory multiple times. Nobody believed you. Even if you were right and you totally pwnd these noobs, the fact that nobody agreed with you means that you're a loser who doesn't understand how to tell a good joke. It's 3am here and all you've done is annoy people. I hope your looks are enough to balance that shit out
Speaking as an ADULT who owns his own company and annually makes over half a mil of passive income on the side from websites I made when I was still in college OP has made it very clear he is an oblivious posturing mega-retard whose future self will cringe when he recalls the memory of what a gigantic faggot he was at the time he made this thread.
Plus I bet his dick aint even that big.
my dick is 7 inches long
>and what will you think when you remember that time you fell for the bait?
not saying I'm not cool, I just know it would trigger "adults" on 4chan.org to let y'all know
You are a pretentious fuckin fag and should hang yourself immediately for the sake of humanity.