>>26057888 God always answers my prays. I only ask for the strength, wisdom and courage to overcome life's challenges though. >>26057911 Buddhism explains that suffering is because of misdeeds in your previous life.
more people should read the Christian apologetics. They set up a pretty good defense of faith using reason. Personally I turned to buddha. But I'm not above believing in a God. Modern religious interpretation has completely fucked it up. And the fedora clad atheists have fucked it up even more. But the original theology is pretty compelling. It got way too self esteemy and feminized. Religion is hard and masculine.
>wanted to be trans growing up >every birthday I would wish I was a girl >one night at 14 I prayed to God to make me a girl or I would hang myself >became androgynous at 15 >have feminine features at 18 >get confused for a girl sometimes in public
>>26057999 Buddhism is bullshit tbhq. >>26057850 Yeah, along long time ago before I sat down and thought about that shit. Truth is, I don't know and you don't know, but I think humanity in general proves that, if there is a god, he forgot about us or he just doesn't give af. Now I'm just an existential nihilist, which is probably the best thing for me.
No gods are real. For the entirety of history there has not been even one piece of reliable evidence suggesting any deity is real, despite persistent attempts by millions of people to find proof. Plus even if against the odds the Abrhamic God was real, he has killed millions of innocents, allows continuous wars, diseases and suffering while refusing to even show any sign that he is real and makes people suffer for eternity for anything he considers sinful, which makes him an asshole unworthy of praise in my opinion.
But if you think you can manage to truly delude and brainwash yourself, and that you would be happier and more moral for it, nobody is going to stop you. If you however believe that you see Gods or hear voices of Gods, you suffer from some kind of schizophrenia-like mental illness and should seek mental help immediately.
It would be stupid to think humans are the only living breathing once inanimate objects that muster concious and have a need to serve just because another thing can think , move , or speak.
With enough thought a thunder God that gives you a thousand sheep overnight can exist , well find the same thing , water it down and label it science and poke and prod the topic later after we get you to be distracted from it.
>>26058080 Some illiterate starving Indian guy figured out the meaning to life before anyone else? Life is shit because I was supposedly a bad person in another life? If I just recite hymns three times a day and shave my head and eat cow shit like a virgin with a bunch of illeterate Chinese guys I'll 'transcend'? Come on, that shit is bullshit and you know it. And, if that is true what life was I assigned in the first place? It's utter shit and it's only respectable as a lifestyle. I was a Buddhist for about 3.5 seconds before I grew and faced reality: No one knows shit, science is the only thing we have to go off of.
>inb4 some neckbeard types out a paragraph trying to prove Buddhism through physics
Don't, you're only going to make yourself look retarded.
>inb4 law of conservation of mass >inb4 newton's 3rd
>>26058124 Isn't edgy, you don't know and I don't know and it doesn't even matter. We're just shit that transforms into other shit.
>>26058254 So you were a buddhist for a few seconds but you've claimed to have it all "figured out" one of the main reasons of suffering as described is ignorance, you'd know that had you bothered to invest more than a few seconds. You don't even know what Buddhism is above and that's evident in your third sentence about shaved heads and cow dung.
And yet you claim "science is the way to go" when science is about fully understanding something and not make raging accusations about things you know nothing about. Can't get into science, can't get into religion. Sounds like the only thing you can get into is someone handing you things on a silver platter so you don't have to think or do the hard work.
I'm inclines to agree with you partially on the Buddhist scenario. Though I am not a Buddhist, the idea that "life is suffering" and that suffering is caused by desire make a lot of sense to me. I like the philosophical concepts, which is why I prefer the Tao.
It doesn't make sense though. Siddhartha proposed a 'middle path' saying that indulgence or asceticism is not the way to enlightenment, but somehow reached enlightenment through asceticism. hmmm.
>>26058254 >Life is shit because I was supposedly a bad person in another life? Worst part of buddhism from what I know about it(admittedly not much). Just plain wrong and bad philosophy. Bad things happen to anyone. Christianity says the righteous will suffer but in the end you'll be with God. Buddhism? LOL YOU DESERVE IT.
Not even once. Atheists love it because it doesn't complain as much as Christianity. Even though it's an unhealthy worldview, people don't seem to care since it seems to stay out of politics.
Does anyone else here have trouble accepting religious people as normal? I mean especially the fundamentalist christians, mormons, jehova's witnesses, etc - I just can't see people who believe that nonsense as equals, I can't take them seriously at all.
>>26058409 They're not normal. No westerner should be religious. We don't need the priest to intercede with the Gods for us anymore. The only people with a right to be religious are third world peasants and hunter gatherers. They don't know any better.
>>26058332 If everyone was a Buddhist and believed in karma and reincarnation then the people who suffer in this life will accept it and others would be compassionate enough to not make things worse for those that are suffering, but the world isn't full of devout Buddhist so selfishness, ignorance, and hatred gets in the way of all that.
Buddhism also says the the righteous will reap what they sow in the afterlife. So how is that any different to Christianity?
>>26058400 What has God provided for you exactly? Food? Nope. Farmers grew that and you bought it. Clothes? Nope. Some Indian child probably made that t-shirt you're wearing, which was imported and bought by you. Shelter? Nope. Builders built your house, you bought it/ rented it/ whatever. Morality? Nope. Values and morality of western society exist regardless of belief in a particular God and you are taught good morals by sources other than the Bible. Peace of mind? Nope. Delusions and belief in any faith can provide an illusion of comfort and happiness, God didn't sprinkle happy dust on you while you sleep.
Humans evolved from single cell bacteria. Humanity is in essence a virus. All life is essentially competing forms of viruses. Spread, reproduce, consume, mutate, spread. If you want to know the meaning of humanity just look at a virus.
When someone is infected with ebola or smallpox those are other competing forms of life trying to kill us. We are no different from them. We are parasites just trying to survive.
There are no sky gods. Why would a virus have a god? Wanting to believe in a god for meaning is just a natural side effect of sentience.
>>26057850 Well. according to the GSS, the CDC, and a large number of studies people who regularly attend church, routinely pray, and believe in God are: -happier -healthier -have a higher overall quality of life -live longer -have more social interaction and more friends have less stress, anxiety, and bouts with depression -less likely to be convicted of a crime -less likely to go to prison -less likely to be on welfare -less likely to be unemployed -more likely to marry -less likely to divorce (if a Catholic you divorce at 1/2 the average if you attend church regularly; if you are "truly believing" at 1/5th the average) . inb4 "correlation isn't causation". Sure, that's true. But it *is* correlation so, just like insurance, if you stick with causation you'll still be better off. Thus, it is a fact of *science* that being religious is objectively better than being an atheist.
Your body parts will be recycled, no doubt about that. But, to think that you have some 'soul' that is placed in a great life or a bad life based on what you do here is borderline retarded. There is no such thing as a 'soul', what you think is a soul is really just your brain neurons firing through synapses at super sonic speeds. If everyone was a Buddhist that believed in Karma they'd just be faking all their compassion and love out of FEAR. What's selfish is wanting everyone to subscribe to your bullshit religion and trying to shame them into beliveing your cow shit on head mantra.
>>26058500 then don't but those people who don't accept it and dwell usually suffer for as long as they allow their suffering haunt them
pic related could have went one of two ways, dwell on his disability and hated life and be miserable and possibly killed himself as his own admission or embrace life and move on, which he did and look how that turned out
>>26058487 Buddhism is bullshit because EVERYONE (not just me) doesn't know shit, we're dumb animals that are just now beginning to understand our surroundings. Stop being a special snowflake and just admit it. You don't know, I don't know, and a 1000 year old Indian guy telling you to rub cow shit on your head definitely does not know.
>>26058585 >What's selfish is wanting everyone to subscribe to your bullshit religion and trying to shame them into beliveing your cow shit on head mantra. The shame isn't coming from me mate, i'm not sitting here condemning you to hell. The shame and anger if you haven't already noticed is coming from you. What you are feeling is the shame and fear of your own existence, how you've lived life, how you've conducted yourself. Your actions, your speech they are filled with anger and hatred. I'm trying to discuss religion and God but everything that's been coming out of your mouth is "i'm right, your're wrong" and here's a petty insult to prove it. you keep banging on about cows..
Even if there was no reward, no afterlife i'm still going to live virtuously and FYI I don't believe in hell.
>>26058614 I don't need a 1000 year old person to tell me anything, I've seen it first hand. I've seen how ignorance causes suffering, I've seen how anger causes suffering. I've seen how greed causes suffering.
I've seen how people let their desires like lust, envy, anger, pride, gluttony, sloth and greed cause them to suffer.
"why can't I be rich, why can't I have a hot gf, why can't I sit at home and be lazy and play video games all day, why can't I have somebody else's life"
I've seen how when a person lacks virtue, such as wisdom, courage, selflessness etc they also suffer their entire lives.
I don't need anyone to tell me that the sky is blue. Just common sense to pull my head out of the sand and its evident enough.
>>26058639 Ight, drgaf tbhq, keep being braindead pham. Never crack open a book even once in your life brah. >>26058681 Lying to myself sounds pretty miserable, I don't know how you religious people pull it off.
>>26058841 How was I converting? I asked you why you think Buddhism was bullshit, and you could provide were grade school insults.
What I said was Buddhism explains that your suffering is a result of how you conducted yourself in a previous life.
What proof do you want from me? Should I also summon God to appear before you while i'm at it?
How you are being childish is I say one thing, you divert into something else or put words in my mouth "converting", you use petty insults every chance you get, you are either lacking comprehension or just blatantly putting your fingers in your ears and going "la la la i can't hear you" so to speak. So there's a bunch of reasons of how you are being childish, pick your favourite.
>>26058791 >>26058863 "In reality the Scientific Method is only one manner of searching for knowledge; in this case, it is limited to a very narrow realm of knowledge. Scientism is the fallacy that either the scientific method is the most authoritative manner of gaining knowledge or, in its most ridiculous form, the only means of gaining knowledge. The hilarious thing about Scientism is that those who most believe it are the ones least likely to realize that Scientism is, itself, not a scientific statement or belief so anyone who adheres to it is by definition deluding themselves." -Prof Lew Richardson
>>26057850 Try Islam dont get swayed by other ppl who don't learn it throughly read al quran, nderstand the true message of that and the cause of each revelation so u wont be misled by ppl and to prevent you reaching wrong understanding and become isis hurkadurka , also learn sufism by reading tasawuf books, *u need a teacher for this , read al hikam by ibn athaillah & the explanation might be a good start to know Allah also learn ibn arabi the great sufi, then u can understand what's Allah, how he does things, u can even communicate with him at some level after at that level you wont be a miserable robot anymore, any tragedy or good happening will means nothing to you cause you only see god as the true real existence and realize you are just nothing. with such mentality that submit to god. Good luck OP, i pray for your success to reach the absolute truth
>>26059093 >referring to bible >not knowing that bible has been changed fro many times >still use such unvalid reference >not trying quran which is still the original until now >swayed by negative prejudice because ppl said islam evil meanwhile they dont really understand the real meanings of each revelation & ISIS false act / or maybe they're stupid enough to reach wrong conclusion
>>26059113 Why are you allowed to make claims that the soul doesn't exist but I can't recite what Buddhism has said about karma and reincarnation :)?
Goes both way. You are allowed to believe there is no afterlife, I'm allowed to believe otherwise.
But at least in my hypothetical if everyone was a devout Buddhist, the world and individuals, wouldn't suffer through life as they are in a reality where the soul, karma and reincarnation doesn't exist.
If you believe in any sort of God or diety as described by a religion you are fucking retarded or were indoctrinated as a child, that's why some intelligence creationists exists although they are rare. If you subscribed to belief later in life you should feel utterly ashamed. If that's the case kys kek
>>26059502 Stoicism teaches that people should live according to the Greek concept of virtue, which includes finding the correct balance (golden mean) between pride and humility. Vanity is bad because it could lead you to become overly-attached to worthless things.
Perhaps I do not display great virtue in the way that I am writing here, but I don't see how that disproves my point.
>>26059634 The difference is that Buddhism teaches TOTAL abstinence from everything but that which brings inner peace. Stoicism teaches REASONABLE temperance, and is less about abstaining from things and more about not over-valuing them.
>>26059662 >>26059720 Have you read Meditations? Perhaps stoic virtues are a little different from Aristotlean virtues, but they still always come back to courage, wisdom, temperance, and justice. But in Meditations, Marcus Aurelius does not once indicate that he cared about his people. He was a good emperor because he believed that it was his duty to be a good emperor, just as it is a farmer's duty to be a good farmer. Stoicism is a very egocentric philosophy which usually expresses detachment from others. You do what is expected of you because that is why you are on Earth.
Its okay to believe what you want , but whether you like it or not time still has a negative or positive , you will only percieve things from your level of perception , so i suppose a tree hugger would be what you call someone. Not understanding that mother nature is very simple yet very complex. Space is very simple , yet very complex. basically , dont be a raging douchebag for a second and juggle multiple opinions without fully embracing them , so it doesnt scar your ego and opinionated veiws. Youve only learned from sceptics it seems , so to you things just happen randomly. Though even random is a calculation. to believe that there isnt an ultimate that existed in the end and the beggining is just being blind and idiotic. In the beggining ( i suppose youd see it as a man that supposed to feed you clothe you shelter you prove himself to you fly through the air shoot stars at you and bring the sun to your doorstep.) , not every God was Some sort of super hero , it could be a molecule , Could be a thought that created an actual being.
Dont forget everything we own started out as a thought. Then a Word , then an action.
Its not called being a hippie , its just finding out an opinion for ourselves instead of letting someone else tell me to sit down shut up dont worry about it , follow their observations and be a skeptic.
I would love for you to think about your creation and what it truly means to be " ooh ah " we exist " , so fucking what . existance."
Alot of these people seem to be Thanking Time. And the benefits Someone that could Control Time and Placement in space would offer.
>Provided for me >food at perfect time , perfect place >Knowledge and power , perfect time perfect place
>Implying any of us will survive >all of us die >the future still exists on what you do now You could create a whole new universe with the right knowledge , for the knowledge was always there floating in the air , ( the stuff that makes things is always existent ) we are just learning how to create things that have always been there. ( different prototype possibilities ) were just learning how to create " new " and prolongue existence knowing , that we all will die , we still have to survive.
So instead of thinking of things as primitive as possible , you hould learn off those you know have nothing better to do but to think about this , Think of time as a complex loop of pattern and bars , Think of time as a simple circle.
Because of the fact that you thinking of time like " swag , time " is actually stunting your observations of " God "
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