Why is racism considered evil when we freely and openly discriminate based on other genetic factors that have nothing to do with the quality of the character of people?
For example, in the MOST BASIC human activity which requires cooperation, reproduction, women and men both discriminate against people based on appearance, which comes down to uncontrollable, arbitrarily assigned genes just like race. We select for not only for features that are broadly indicative of fertility such as facial attractiveness, height, figure, but also based on arbitrary personal preferences. Some women like men with dark hair and brown eyes. Some women like men with red hair and green eyes. The inverse is just as true.
Reproductive activity is the natural basis of human society. It is not only permissible to discriminate based on genetic features when choosing partners for this activity, but it is expected behavior where participants may be shamed if they select a mate who exhibits sub-optimal traits. Knowing this, how can you create an argument that racism is actually an unacceptable form of discrimination?
Better question: if everything you just said is true, why do robots get so upset when people discriminate against them based on their genetics, and then go and be racist themselves?
When looking for partners to reproduce with, we look for people with features that we associate with good health and fertility. This analogy doesn't really hold up unless certain races are less fertile or produce unhealthy offspring more than others.
Society doesn't conceive of it as evil. Stacy is not considered a bad person for turning down an ugly guy because she doesn't like ugly guys.
But if she were, say, to post on facebook that she doesn't date black guys because of their race, she would have a horde of SJWs on her complaining that she is discriminating based on arbitrarily assigned genetic traits, that she must be a small brained racist and will go to secular-humanist hell for this heresy.
I think he's asking why discriminating against blacks is bad when discriminating against the short and ugly is okay. I don't really have an answer for that. I guess because the man on TV says so.
People are hypocrites, I guess.
First off I'd say genes aren't the only influence in how attractive people are. Anyway though, >>26038223 is right. Humans are extremely homogeneous and most differences are intragroup anyway. There aren't any known genetic reasons which would provide a basis for discrimination, and even if there were, those would just be generalizations. By the very nature of biology there's going to be variation and people who don't fit in with what is generally true about some group they belong to.
I think he's saying that racism should only be considered evil if society also considered sexual pickiness evil.
He kinda has a point. Even for just hanging out with someone or hiring them as an actor or model, people would discriminate against really short ugly people most of the time.
Most people wouldn't date a midget. But if all the midgets on earth decided to get together and form their own country, then after a couple generations they'd be like a "race" of people with a homeland. And then if you weren't ok with dating a midget people would call you racist.
>Even for just hanging out with someone or hiring them as an actor or model, people would discriminate against really short ugly people most of the time.
I hired a 5' 6" manlet for my porn business and he sold well. I'm not evil and see no reason to treat someone like shit because of how they look
>implying height discrimination is just about sex
I'm not even a manlet and I know they're less likely to be hired, paid less and less likely to be promoted. Sex isn't even the half of it.
This is broadly true, but not fundamentally true. My example of eye color is one. Not all sexually selected traits are actually indicators of fertility, they often serve as a way to make the individual 'stand out'.
Look at brightly colored birds for example, most of them are not brightly colored because it improves their genetic fitness, but because their colors initially made them stand out from other, duller birds. It's pure 'swag' factor, completely arbitrary. They are assigned arbitrarily and the opposite gender is arbitrarily attracted to them, just as features which create ugliness, just as features we use as visible indicators of race.
This is an extrinsic argument, not an intrinsic one. Which is fine, I'd just like to see someone actually make an argument that racism is intrinsically wrong. Because I haven't gotten a straight answer from any of the ethicists I've asked about this.
>Humans are extremely homogeneous and most differences are intragroup anyway. There aren't any known genetic reasons which would provide a basis for discrimination
lmao, this is factually incorrect
Ehh, that's not really what I was saying. There are lots of short male porn stars, like James Deen and Mandingo. Those guys have decent looking faces and big dicks though. They have symmetric features and no weird skin conditions or skin discoloration or anything. Porn is different than being a runway model, most porn casting directors don't care about height as much.
The same holds true of ugliness, I was just using sex as a basic case, ugliness and shortness reverberate through the life of those afflicted with them just as race does for those who are born into a disfavored racial group.
It makes no difference whether the accountant I hire is an attractive chad or an ugly manlet, he is just there to balance the books. But we see consistently that hiring managers will always select chad, all things held equal. Just as they will select Chad rather than Tyrone if there are not regulations in place which require racial diversity.
>Some women like men with red hair and green eyes
Fuck you, being red haired is worse than being a nigger
No one is harmed or marginalized if they do not fit someones sexual preferences though. Racism on the other hand has potential to prevent the people of the discriminated race from getting the same societal benefits that other races get.
They're the same people that excluded the ugly kid when playing spin the bottle, and made the fat kid be "it" the whole time during recess, they just grew up and get to bully behind the guise of "doing what's best for the company". The world overlooks it because the bullied are the minority
You'd be right if 4chan hadn't become a meme, go tell people you fap to loli tho, that will get it done
People will assume you're a pedophile, weird, and won't hang out with you, hence a reinforcing drive to go back to 4chan. It's like someone being gay, even if they're one of the normal ones, 75% of people will assume they're ravenous sex beasts (if male).
Let's say you have a choice between two applicants, one blonde and one brunette. You have a strong sexual preference for blondes. The brunette is more qualified for the job. You will pick the brunette.
I used sex only as a basic example. Various studies have shown that men who are shorter than average have worse economic outcomes than those who are above average.
Facial attractiveness is also strongly correlated to success in life, especially in the people-oriented fields that tend to be the places where there is still job growth.
People do not just discriminate against ugly people for sex, but for everything.
how do businesses stay afloat when they dont hire who is the most qualified and rely on childish high school tier favoritism? I never understood this. Educate me on this anon PLS
And if there is nothing intrinsically wrong about associational selection based on attractiveness (which is a social construct based in genetic features), there is nothing wrong with associational selection based on race (which is a social construct based on genetic features).
Discrimination against ugly people is not as blatant as discrimination against other races.
Also I don't consider hiring attractive people for people oriented jobs as discrimination.
>Various studies have shown that men who are shorter than average have worse economic outcomes than those who are above average
We should start taxing tall people for every inch of height they have above the average and cut the taxes of short men by every inch they are below i, desu.
Posting this here because no one responded to my thread
>hate all white people
>end up going to college at Princeton in America
>go to black physics professor to do researh for him/build connections
>I'm forced to pair with some French FOB girl since half of his students transferred to Harvard
>walking back to dorm after we finish up our lattice gas models for the day
>she keeps being really nice to me
>wont fuck off
>realize she lives in the same dorm as me
>asks to hang out
>can't decline or I'll seem like a prick
>keep hanging out with her even though I hate her
>she asks me out in front of two of my friends
>they all think she's pretty so I can't say no
>tfw now forced to date a pigskin out of fear of being considered gay
How do I make her fuck off so I can date a superior black or Arab woman guys?
Anyone got tips to sabotage this?
Because generally speaking there are a handful of actually productive people keeping a massive, bloated piece of shit corporate construction afloat. That and it's usually not as hard to do most jobs as people make it out to be. Any routine task is easy if you have an IQ over 100 and practice it enough.
At least this holds true in a top down structure, in franchisee owner-operator structures franchises that are poorly managed will die peacefully without tanking corporate.
>Had red hair in my youth
>girls like it
>went brown in my late teens
>then deep brown almost black by mid twenties
>Im 32 and now have bright white stripes of hair
>tfw Im going to be platinum blonde before 40
Im am very confused and frustrated with my hair
even though my wife gets super turn on by the white hair I don't like it
>fear of being considered gay
Get out of your retarded macho mindset, it won't serve you well in life if you're going to be a scientist. Who gives a fuck what other people think of you? Also don't call her a pigskin, call her what she is, a succubus.
Black her and I agree. Black girls dont do it for me and I tried fapping to them many times and never cum as hard as I do for asians/white/indians. White girls aren't my first choice, but I still have no idea why that guy is complaining. He literally got a smart French girl to worship his cock by doing nothing.
Although he should probably stop fucking girls on the same research group as him.
I think this can be explained with close-mindedness and a lack of empathy. People read history books or follow mainstream media that non-stop tells them about the possible consequences of racism and they start to make negative associations with it. Most of them never experience or hear about other sorts of discrimination so they just don't mind.
Why are humans so evil?
don't get me wrong, some of them are hot but there are so many trashy bimbos out there its hard to find a normal woman
At a certain point talk ends and feelings begin. The state of society is representative of the interests of the average person in some way or another. Not logical, emotional. And even so, all logic works to reach an emotional end.
Nobody cares, try to bring this up elsewhere and you will find that you fall on deaf ears.
This is something I've argued for a while. Ugly and stupid people are discriminated against all the time and it is just accepted as normal.
It's in fact the biggest form of discrimination on the planet, way higher than racism because this ism is practiced even among discriminated groups.
Isn't it odd how it's considered evil to make fun of retards, but someone like Karl pilkington who has an IQ just a few points above a retard is fair game?
Isn't it odd how it's ok to make fun of ugly people but someone who has burns all over their face is off limits?
What the liberals and SJWs don't want to admit is that they're just as ruthless as the libertarians and nazis. They don't get in physical fights but trust me, they talk shit about each other constantly and always plot against each other. My sister is an SJW, that's how I know.
Yeah anyone that knows an SJW knows what hypocrites they are. As long as the correct flavour of discrimination is in fashion, they will discriminate freely without thinking about it.
SJWs don't use any kind of internal critical thinking to come about their modus operandi, it's all just a blueprint that comes from the hive queens (Hillary, Pelosi etc)
>ITT OP asks us to do his Philosophy 101 homework for him
I feel sorry for you OP, you thought so hard and long but still managed to miss the obvious distinction.
Discrimination is fine; obviously, roles need to be filled by agents that can handle them. But it's wasteful and autistic to discriminate against a particular agent for a reason unrelated to the role.
If I'm looking for someone to act in the role of "being aesthetically pleasing to me," things like hair color, height, etc. obviously should figure prominently.
Hating someone for their genetics is no better than racism. Objectively speaking, calling someone a nigger is no different from calling them a midget or a fatass.
>Isn't it odd how it's ok to make fun of ugly people but someone who has burns all over their face is off limits?
They don't consider small dick jokes body-shaming and use them as a means to insult their ideological opponents.
> They don't get in physical fights but trust me, they talk shit about each other constantly and always plot against each other
Have you ever heard of antifa?
Again, this is an extrinsic argument, there is no moral basis, in a good/evil framework, for racism being evil. Racism is not evil, it's just potentially bad. It's bad if it causes waste.
What if racial discrimination isn't wasteful? What if, if you net out utility across society, it turns out we benefit on the whole from having a race of slaves/peons arbitrarily decided to be inferior?
You can't have racism without races and you cant have races without racism.
>genetic reasons which would provide a basis for discrimination
Any diffrence in genetic expression(for example skin color) between 2 races will statistically reach a middleground in the offspring should they fully interbreed. essentially making all good traits avarage and all bad traits avarage, the race with a larger volume of good traits will decrease in quality falling down to the avarage, Suggesting that the good race shouldnt avoid the bad one will result in less success of the good race which is kinda racist. Does the increased success of the bad race justify it?
Still letting the good race outcompete teh bad race by not sharing the good genes is also kinda racist...
You see? It all boils down to "Is it racist if its true?" vs "Can you be racist towards the dominant race?"
This is why discussion is pointless..
As an avowed anti capitalist and egalitarian, I only date homeless men with mental illnesses. The sex is amazing. I've been doing it for 4 months now and I don't regret a minute of it.
I never said that racial discrimination is instrinsically wrong. For example, if I needed a spy to infiltrate the ranks of an enemy, it would obviously be right to discriminate racially.
As for your question, what if 2+2 equals 5? You can conclude all kinds of useless contradictions when you knowingly start from falsehoods. If needless discrimination wasn't wasteful, then yes, it wouldn't be a problem. But it is in fact wasteful.
>utility "on the whole"
How exactly do you determine this? Do we subtract the quantified suffering of one individual from the quantified benefit to another? Or do we stop considering the individual altogether? Please elaborate.
>If needless discrimination wasn't wasteful, then yes, it wouldn't be a problem. But it is in fact wasteful.
You're making the assumption that racial discrimination is needless. Who's to say that it is in every situation.
No. Even cultural marxists need people to look down on. They will never actually conquer the struggles of the victims they currently advocate for, and so will never need to find new prey like ugly people.