Why don't women want to be subservient housewives anymore?

The average dude can't support a family anymore. And people realized starting a family is a meme

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>>26022340

Yeah, having kids is overrated desu. Plus women are whores-it's 2d and Mountain Dew for me.

>>26022273
I want to be one. I just need to find a good man. And remain a virgin.

>>26023012
>find a good man
the hell are you doing here

Do you really want to be the sole provider of income? I don't think it would be hard to find a woman who would be willing to sit on her as all day with the kids.

>>26023154

she needs to cook clean take care of kids etc

it's not really sitting on your ass all day unless you got yourself a fat slob

>>26022273
Because, ultimately, you only get ~80 years on this Earth, and it seems dumb and unfulfilling to spend them cooped up in the house, looking after everyone.

You could be making art, leaving your imprint on society, or maybe even developing a legacy.

Honestly, I think women don't want to do that for the same reason that you and I don't: it's not that it's bad for the people who choose the route, it's just that there's better shit out there.

>>26023094
Not looking for men, obviously.

>>26024929
Fuckin burn

>>26024898

Kek like wage slavery is so fulfilling? Better have those TOS reports done, goy.

>>26025309
Are you actually implying that the only types of jobs on earth are 8-to-5 type office work?

Some do. Gardening, cooking and trying new recipes are hobbies to me and cleaning has always been relaxing, but it's just not that possible these days and I think a lot of men who make a good amount of money sound like massive dickwads desu. I do like crafting and making my own beauty products, so I suppose I could sell things from home to bring more cash in if I want to try that route.

>>26022775
hey if you want to be that chump who takes care of a used up roastie then be my guess. I don't have time to explain to my kids why their mother has a tramp stamp or the time to put a gun in my mouth because she took everything from me in divorce while forcing me to pay child and alimony.

>>26022273
My girlfriend won't shut up about it desu

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>>26022273
Nearly 100 years of women happened.

>>26022273
>As late as the 60s, most women unironically wanted to be housewives

Proof, please.

>Why don't women want to be subservient housewives anymore?

Because it's better to make your own money to spend on yourself and fuck men when you feel like it. Many women still work when they get married because many get bored at home or need the extra income to keep the household.

>>26025766

>people put time into photoshop to make infographs like this
>never put a copyright or website address

???

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>>26025784
>Many women still work when they get married because many get bored at home or need the extra income to keep the household.


This is why our generation is growing up so autistic--they aren't getting the parental attention that they need to grow up into functional adults. It's why millennials are so fucked and why generation Z will be even worse. Don't want to raise kids? Tough shit. Either woman up or don't have them, asshole.

>>26024898
>raising health well-adjusted children isn't a legacy
[INSINUATIONS THAT A JEW IS MANIPULATING YOU]

>>26024929
Okay but why are you here though? So you can get girly points while pretending you're not a tranny?

>>26025348
Are you actually implying that career women are happier than housewives?

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>Why don't women want to be subservient housewives anymore?
Why don't men want to be responsible office workers anymore?
If you really had to come here and ask this question in any way but a facetious manner you're a goddamn moron that needs to observe the world around you and educate yourself.
>>26025926
Are you implying that housewives are happier than someone with a career?

>>26025843

This. If you're not going to bother raising your kids because you want to be some career woman then don't fucking have kids. This is not a difficult concept.

You either want to live your own life, or you want to start a family. You cannot have both.

>>26025997
>Are you implying that housewives are happier than someone with a career?
Yes, yes I am if that someone is also female.

>>26025843

>blaming mothers for autism

Top kek, as if many women haven't always worked outside of the home. In any case, millennials aren't all that fucked anyway. Here's a suggestion: tell men to stay at home and raise the kids if you're so concerned.

>>26026008
>>26025843

Stop samefagging. m00tblox

>>26026053

But that's not men's job anon. You're not getting it. Men are the breadwinners and women are the caretakers. Gender roles are very real and the more we deviate away from them the less happy both parties will become. If you don't want kids that's perfectly fine. But don't go around poisoning people's minds that gender roles don't exist.

>>26022273
Women got tricked into thinking that if they were successful in their career they would be able to land a higher quality, higher earning man instead of having to settle for average joe. Ironically, career driven men do not give a shit what their wife makes because they can provide for themselves.

>>26025348

Oh sorry, I guess there's manual labor or minimum wage shit.

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>>26026086

But I'm not, anon.

bloxbloxcox

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>>26022273
In the 60s all men were still men. Women got rights, complained about everything, got overly spoiled for having too many rights and comforts. Now women are spoiled whores with not a worry in the world who can fuck the biggest Chads in the world with the click of a button being told that they are special from birth and nurtured like a child for atleast half a lifetime to a full life time while men are forced to believe they can't act alpha and women have to resort to bad-boys, niggers, and /fa/ fags in order to experience a glimps of what men used to be like yet they are still wannabe fags and so they will never be fulfilled. No girl wants to settle with a guy that can't defend himself and sucks the government dick like a good boy without questioning anything. In other words: there are too little machos who are good providers with proper sociel skills and connections. So they choose to be a sexslave of random worthless potheads and keep you guys as their cucktoys. It's hard to even blame them we should have never gone so soft though it was all indoctrinated by the media. Little we could do to stop you know.

>>26026053
>Top kek, as if many women haven't always worked outside of the home
Many is relative, a lot less did before.
>tell men to stay at home and raise the kids if you're so concerned.
The men don't even stay with these skanks to begin with single parent homes are rising, and both parents should be home more anyway away at business dads suck.

>>26025843
Truth. All these career moms niglect their kids. So the kids twerk their asses all day to get attention feom anyone

>>26022775
Jews want more slaves

why do you think they are so opposed to suicidal people?

because they lost workforce if someone shoot himself.

I live in a very wealthy town and a good deal of the women here are stay at home moms whose lives consist of going to the gym, going to Starbucks, drinking wine, popping pills, reading shitty bestsellers, and picking up their kids from school. They don't even do housework. They hire Mexican and black maids to do all the cooking and cleaning.

>>26022273
Well here is the thing robot senpai, they are being replaced by traps and the ever loving feminine penis, its a better deal all around hang out with your bro and fuck him too

>>26026163
I'm pretty sure the twerkers are mostly single parent poor moms.
>>26026177
this made me laugh

>>26026095

>gender roles are immutable because reasons!

Maybe it doesn't make you happy to be a househusband or an equal partner in raising children. I think it also doesn't make you happy that many women are happier not being housewives. So you're trying this conservative "but it's good for you" schtick, but it's really about your happiness. Personally, I don't care what makes you happy.

>But that's not men's job anon

I'm sure you speak for all men, everywhere.

>>26026105

Ok, my bad.

>>26025843
Except raising kids to not be useless requires at least $90k/year. Which means two incomes.

when you are capable or realising your whole life has been planned out for you from the very start (grow up, get married, have kids,clean hubby's skidmarks of his pants forvevermore) its kind of difficult to not wonder if maybe there is more.

>>26026156

And women don't want to stay with druggies, wife beaters and cheaters.

>away at business dads suck.

Maybe you should tell the other anons in this thread how you feel. Because they're pushing "men must be providers, not nurturers," not me.

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>>26026154
http://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2014/04/dear-nice-guy-i-wasnt-ready-for-you-before-but-i-am-now/

>>26026209
>Maybe it doesn't make you happy to be a househusband or an equal partner in raising children.

Of course it doesn't, because that's not the man's role. There is no equal relationship. The man is the leader and the provider and the woman is the follower and caretaker. That's just how things are. You can try to delude yourself it's not the case all you like but you can't deny every family that ignores those roles is dysfunctional. Marxism has blinded you to common sense.

>>26026251

That's the price you pay for living in today's society. You want the benefits, you need to play by the rules. Society is a team and everyone needs to play their part.

>>26026267
>And women don't want to stay with druggies, wife beaters and cheaters.
And yet they fuck em and have kids with em, how hopeless.
>"men must be providers, not nurturers,"
But that's true, they still have to have a presence in their kids lives though.

>>26026273
Anyone who dates a guiltless 'ex'-whore is disgusting and deserves whatever they get.

>>26026276

Communism/socialism is a male leftist priority. They are not overly concerned with women's welfare or rights, so I don't pay attention to them. Also, you offer nothing but a very boring conservative argument, based on nothing but your personal beliefs and emotions. I don't care what you think. The only thing that bothers me is running into men on here who complain about gender roles daily and envy the "easy street" women supposedly have, and never come into these threads and ask themselves if they're willing to become chaste, sexually submissive, pretty, thin househusbands who sacrifice everything to raise the next generation. Because you morons expect women to, and also believe we should enjoy it. It's ridiculous.

>>26026156
>Away at business dad sucks
You know what sucks even more? Starving. Going through a winter without hot water or heat. That shit costs money.

>>26026329

Yeah, women make mistakes. I'm sure you have never made a mistake in regards to sex - lucky you, your biology doesn't allow for a pregnancy.

>But that's true, they still have to have a presence in their kids lives though.

How many times have I heard men complain about shitty dads? It's pretty obvious boys want more than a "presence" of a father in their lives, but none of you have the guts to admit it.

>>26026397
>Because you morons expect women to, and also believe we should enjoy it.
You're not going to enjoy much of anything Ms. Radfem.

>>26026276

those are some hot sources you cited there, pal

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>>26026446

Hetero politics like this certainly anger me. You got me there, bud.

>>26026430
No need for extremes, you can make enough money for luxuries and necessities while still spending some quality time with your kids.
>>26026439
>your biology doesn't allow for a pregnancy.
If the stakes are so high shouldn't they be more, not less, careful. They know they can get pregnant so shouldn't they have a greater responsibility to not open their legs to fools?
> It's pretty obvious boys want more than a "presence" of a father in their lives, but none of you have the guts to admit it.
I totally wanted to spend more time with my dad, it's partly why I broached the subject, but it wasn't in the cards he was a philanderer and heartbreaker.

>>26026276
Why should I be the subservient follower if our roles (myself as mother and housekeeper, and my husband the financial provider) are just as important in the family unit?

>>26026587
Yeah, in the 1950s maybe. But hell, health insurance alone for a family of 3 costs upwards of 26k. That's not factoring in food or the cost of rent, both of which are increasing exponentially.

maybe women wanted to be real people and not just your servants/pets?

>>26026587

>philanderer and a heartbreaker

That's "skank" in male terms, anon.

>They know they can get pregnant so shouldn't they have a greater responsibility to not open their legs to fools?

Men lie, anon. I bet your dad lied to you and you were stupid enough to believe it.

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>>26026514
I don't, I find it very endearing and inspiring.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Schlafly
Traditional subservient wife and she still had wild success and curbstomped a huge leftist movement.

>>26023154
>cooking
>cleaning
>laundry
>raising children
>gardening
I know robots have no concept of hard work but damn

>>26026251

Yeah, like 55hr work weeks. So fulfilling slaving for mr goldblatt right?

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>>26026723

You're not even providing new or interesting info with your trolling, man. Congrats on liking stuff, man.

>>26023154

This is the problem with Western men, and why their women do not want to stay at home and be traditional. Men see that role as "sitting on their ass all day," and have no respect for what the woman does in the household. This creates tension, and men no longer listen to their wives about the house, community or children because they think they have no problems in life.

It's less like this in Asia, which is why I've decided to settle down with a Japanese man. Never once have I felt disrespected for taking care of my family.

>>26026397

Because thanks to estrogen, women are literally programmed to enjoy it. You think every woman who ever lived wanted to work?

>>26026698
>That's "skank" in male terms, anon.
When she married my father she was aware of who he was and even that he had other children.
She even confided in me that she chose unwisely, she's cried to me about seeing other kids with their dads and how much that affected her realizing she didn't have that kind of home for her kids.

>Men lie, anon. I bet your dad lied to you and you were stupid enough to believe it.
I don't recall him lying to me, I've known and it's never been hidden that he got around and has had more kids than just with my mother, my stepbrothers used to babysit me. He probably lied to my mother about being faithful but I don't know much of the particulars of their divorce and events preceding it, I was much too young to remember any arguments even if they had happened in front of me and I've never asked about it.

>>26026854

Women don't want to work, but they don't want to be disrespected even more than they don't want to work.

>>26022273

You're making a lot of presumptions about what women "were happy with" in those days. Marital rape and physical abuse was also much more common, and good luck prosecuting your husband for it--and if you did somehow win, what then? No job skills or experience, men doing the hiring who would hear your story, etc.

read up on the huge pepidemic of lithium and Valium among housewives in the 1960s and 70s--they were depressed as fuck and had nothing to look forward to day after day but wiping baby asses and getting hubby his drink and slippers at 5:30

Edith Bunker and Harriet Nelson were myths

>>26026797

Are you that radfem or trap cunt or w/e? Anyway I honestly do respect the role that housewives do which is why I would value one so much. I truly don't believe in sex before marriage and would cherish my wife provided she met her obligations.

Enjoy your Elliot's btw

>>26022273

Feminism is tearing apart the concept of the traditional family unit. Women are literal scum that need to be kept in check. More women are less inclined to get married and instead pop out niglets with niggers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afu1Rwlggf8

>>26026797
>It's less like this in Asia, which is why I've decided to settle down with a Japanese man. Never once have I felt disrespected for taking care of my family.
Please tell more, I'm surprised a japanese man married a foreigner and you're not just a trophy or status wife.
>>26026781
It's not trolling, you hate 'hetero politics' and I'm showing it in a positive light because I love it.

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>>26022775
>MUH JOOS

>>26026905

>mad men is real life

See, this is what bitter cunts with broken families tell themselves. They literally can't comprehend that happy traditional families do exist.

>>26026797

Good luck, I'm sure Asian men dig feminist cunts ;^)

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>>26026948

I know right? Those damn tinfoil hats. Get real nazis!

on a side note, national-socialists who defend women dont have radfems in their scope

>>26026854

>literally programmed

No.

>You think every woman who ever lived wanted to work?

Do every man who ever lived wanted to work?

>>26026879

He's still a skank. That's the point. I know a man who promised, for example, to stop smoking once he got married to his then-gf. But he didn't stop, and the marriage fell apart, that being one of the reasons for the divorce. He had no real intention of changing, or being a better person, and funnily enough, he also spent his time ragging on his wife that she wasn't doing enough around the house to clean it or fucking him enough. Women getting married to men of this generation are often setting themselves up for failure. Dudes expect a whole lot from their wives and don't even want to take care of their own kids. And unlike previous generations, women have the option to gtfo.

>>26022273
Women never cared about family all they care about is being raped by Chads over and over, family prevents Chad from raping them which makes them miserable. Sexual Liberation allowed women to return to their natural behavior.

>>26026938

If you truly loved it, you would defend this woman >>26026797 from these dipshits >>26026910, >>26026983. This is a misogynist trolling thread, a thin veneer of conservative dogma doesn't change that.

>>26027057

men find much greater satisfaction being the provider and females find much greater satisfaction being stay at home moms.

it has always been like this, it was obvious, it was god damn nature.

>>26027143

>always

No.

>nature

Is it natural for men to hate women? And yet here you all are.

>>26026910
I'm not the "radfem" but even if you did respect your traditional housewife's role many other men, especially in the US, do not.

>>26023154
>sitting on her ass all day

>>26024898
>You could be making art, leaving your imprint on society, or maybe even developing a legacy.

>>26025714
>...put a gun in my mouth because she took everything from me in divorce while forcing me to pay child and alimony. (Marriage is a trap)

>>26025784
>Many women still work when they get married because many get bored at home

>>26026008
>You either want to live your own life, or you want to start a family. You cannot have both.

>>26026184
a good deal of the women here are stay at home moms whose lives consist of going to the gym, going to Starbucks, drinking wine, popping pills, reading shitty bestsellers, and picking up their kids from school. They don't even do housework. They hire Mexican and black maids to do all the cooking and cleaning.

>>26026251
>when you are capable or realising your whole life has been planned out for you from the very start (grow up, get married, have kids,clean hubby's skidmarks of his pants forvevermore) its kind of difficult to not wonder if maybe there is more.

>>26026276
>There is no equal relationship. The man is the leader and the provider and the woman is the follower and caretaker.

>>26026677
>maybe women wanted to be real people and not just your servants/pets?

Anon, other than the slight power-trip you seem to have with being the provider I agree 100% with your sentiment.

These are peoples' reactions to a woman who wants to stay at home to raise her children, and it's more prevalent in the Western world.

By the way, Elliots only happen when the father is White with an Asian fetish. That's not the case in my marriage.

>>26027127

I'm

>>26026910

Please honestly tell me what you don't like about my statement

>>26027143
>men find much greater satisfaction being the provider
No we find greater satisfaction being the sexual provider, only a retard in this age would willingly enslave themselves to a cunt.

>>26026983
I'm not a feminist. I'm a traditional stay-at-home mom, you autistic dipshit.

>>26027171

Literally all happened because men bought the feminist cool aid about muh string wymyn

>>26027172

Calling a woman a cunt and implying she'll sire a murderer is what got you called a "dipshit."

>met her obligations

You're the boss and she's the worker, is how this reads to me. Some "value" and "cherish."

>>26027221

Obviously meant strong wymyn

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>>26025829
They don't want to get doxxed and roxxed by coxx in soxx

>>26027246

More like "uphold her end" but I like how you imply superiors can never love subordinates

Strong wk btw

>>26027171
>Many women still work when they get married because many get bored at home

Why are you disagreeing with this? I work with working moms and they literally say this. They tell me their new man could take care of them, but they choose to work. Like, realistically, they can't truly trust these men and they know it, and they also know they need their income. But they also say they're bored at home. What exactly is your argument here?

>>26027057
>He's still a skank.
Which is why she shouldn't have married him, she knew who he was and still made the stupid decision. She's the one who's going to be left providing for kids, she shouldn't attach herself to such a huge mess.
>And unlike previous generations, women have the option to gtfo.
They could also make far less stupid decisions the first time around, instead they continue to make poorer and poorer choices in mates and the quality of homes for children is rapidly declining except among the more religious.
>And unlike previous generations, women have the option to gtfo.
1. You've been able to get a divorce, as a woman, for adultery for longer than no fault divorce statutes
2. This has not led to an improvement in couplings
3. This has not led to better homes for children
The men these single moms choose are usually hilariously bad, they're not in desperate need of no fault divorce they're in desperate need of common sense.

>>26027290

>superiors can never love subordinates

Have you ever worked under management a day in your life?

you try getting married and only having one source of income

it fucking sucks

>>26027349
You're not equal with children, do you find yourself in capable of loving them?

>>26027304

>ugh ikr having a family is sooo dull, it's 2016 where's my wine?

THIS IS WHY WHITE COUNTRIES ARE DYING

JESUS CHRIST

>>26027349

So you don't love your children?

>>26027221
more like men are afraid to speak against feminist because they are afraid of not getting laid for it. Women are taking advantage of men because they gave them laws that protect them without the responsibility.

>>26027331

Maybe you should hold your father accountable for donating his share that made you.

The rest is you just airing your opinion on "women are destroying society!!!" shit. What is your point here?

>>26026938

Regarding the man I married, I met him at work. I did work and was a career woman at one time, but after we got together things changed. He started ramping up "family mode" and looked for a higher salary. We both worked hard to pay our debts, and he started talking about children.

We have an 11 year age-gap, but it doesn't bother me since he's brilliant and respectful to me. I also like his mom a lot, and she watches over the kids when I have something I have to do.

I don't know why he chose me, but I'm glad he did. He's an excellent father.

>>26027446

>11 year age gap

Hello daddy issues

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You gotta teach em how to be subservient. I blame the schools.

>>26027393
>>26027381

>thinking women are children

Another good reason not to marry men, t b h.

>choosing to work
>where is my wine?

Where are you getting this? Do you even read?

>>26027406

>"chad gets laid all the time even though he's a manwhore!!"
>":woman beaters and thugs get laid all the time, women hate beta males!!!"
>"men are afraid of not getting laid so they don't speak out against feminism!!!"

How can these ideas actually exist on /r9k/ and all be seen as true?

>>26027410
Exactly being a housewife is torture and boring.

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>>26026628
Because of your lack of fast-twitch muscle fibers. You may have henpecked men into making anti-violence laws, but your loins will always hunger for a taste of a strong man's firm hand

>>26027503

>implying we said they're children

We're just using your logic

>>26027410
>Maybe you should hold your father accountable for donating his share that made you.
I do, he's not innocent but he had a ton of red flags my mother ignored she had more to lose and a lot of information at hand. She's the one who pulls me aside to tell me how important choosing a spouse is and what mistakes she made and what mistakes I shouldn't make.
>"women are destroying society!!!"
Just continuing the argument that these women make terrible choices and aren't blindsided by deceiving men. Society can survive these dumb decisions it doesn't make them any less dumb and self-destructive.

>>26027473

Nope, love my old man to death. In fact, these traditional arrangements seem to work out better when the man is older due to the woman not being able to reproduce as long, compounded with how long it takes most men to get to a place financially to take care of a family unit.

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>>26027492
Ah, better.

>>26027575

No, you side-stepped my logic of anon and then somehow mapped husband-wife relationships to parent-child after supporting boss-worker relationships being equivalent to husband-wife relationships. You see women and wives as lesser: as workers, and as children. Again, another reason not to marry men.

>>26027473
That's nonsense.
>>26027446
That sounds fantastic, I don't live there but all I hear is terrible things about the prospects for marriage and finances in japan I'm glad you've made it work.

>>26027685

No, I didn't. You can't even grasp my argument. So marry a woman then cunt. Or brag about your career on 4chan, it's all w/e. But selfish cunts like you are the reason white countries are dying.

>>26027503
We're different posters, I used children because it's a better example of a loving hierarchy. I don't love anyone at work not coworkers or my boss.

>>26027758
White countries are dying because its illegal to be a real man in white countries nowadays.

>>26027609

So she still puts actual work into raising you and yet you still blame her for your fatherless existence? I mean, you are the "terrible choice" in this scenario. You're what makes her "self-destructive."

>>26027689
>white women come to Japan because animu
>end up BTFO of dating market due to having no desirable feminine traits whatsoever
>b-b-b JAPAN IS A GREAT COUNTRY BUT HAS A LONG WAY TO GO XD XD XD

>>26027758

>selfish cunts like you are the reason white countries are dying

White countries are struggling to maintain empires, more like. It has pretty much nothing to do with women. I'm sorry you're a racist imperialist 13 year old, hopefully you'll grow out of it.

>>26027771

I don't actually consider myself a "superior," but an "authority" to children. And I see no reason why woman, married or not, must accept men as superiors. "Loving hierarchy" is an oxymoron.

>>26027689
Thank you anon! We're all in the US now, but Japan was incredible.

>>26027801
>white women come to Japan because animu
>end up BTFO of dating market due to having no desirable feminine traits whatsoever

White women absolutely slay in Japan, provided they are not ugly obnoxious weaboos or overweight.

>>26027937

>White women absolutely slay in Japan

Okay, stupid question, but what if you're 5'8"? Are men there short and defensive, that height and fine with it, or taller or what?

>>26027789
I feel like you're implying i try to guilt trip her she's the one who brought this all up to me, I've never wanted her to patch things up with my father or something silly like that, but I understand the mistakes she said she made.

My mother hasn't been self-destructive in a long time, she just wants us to not make the same mistakes.

femanons, what annual income do you suppose it would require for a sole male earner to properly support a family?

>>26027989

You're the one that puts your mother's mistakes as part of a pattern where ALL women's mistakes are destroying society. You are the outcome of that mistake. Your existence is destroying society. That's the end result of your argument, and yet you haven't rejected it yet.

>>26027910
>"superior," but an "authority"
How is someone who has authority over you not your superior? That's what the title of superior implies that they have a higher station and authority over you, they can command you this way and that authorities are above you in the hierarchy.

>>26026698
Why are you just insulting his father? His argument still stands, if your a female it's at least your responsibility to carry that baby to term or abort. I also must add you'll be chemically inclined to love that baby, the father is not.

>>26024929
>Not looking
Well as one who followed the same recipe I can tell you it did not work for me.

>>26022273
>why would women aspire to change the world or do anything meaningful with their lives
I wonder...
I'm not taking anything away from women who choose to have kids and be stay at home moms, but it definitely isn't a very lofty goal. Meanwhile men are expected to try and set the world on fire. you would NEVER see this same question asked of a man.

>>26028000
Just a little bit more XD

>>26028155
bitches who don't provide an absolute figure when they're fucking asked for one aren't welcome to bear my children.

>>26028100

>if your a female it's at least your responsibility to carry that baby to term

She did?

>you'll be chemically inclined to love that baby, the father is not.

Men continue to use their biology to squirm out of fatherly duties.

>>26028078

Seriously, anon?

"Authority" is a title to someone who is simply a leader, not necessarily better at everything, which is what 'superior' means in non-work-related settings. The best managers know how to delegate - it's not about being superior, it's about knowing who is best for the job. "Superior" sometimes works for this, because of how English words can have several connotations, but I wouldn't say that they are the same word, no.

>>26028000
>properly

Definition?

>>26028049
>You're the one that puts your mother's mistakes as part of a pattern where ALL women's mistakes
No I used the argument that since the stakes are higher they have more responsibility and a stronger incentive to choose better mates because they're the ones left holding the bag, from what I've seen single moms are usually careless in this regard my relatives who are single mothers included. There are people who do get blindsided and the spouse can die but the increasing prevalence leads me to believe people just don't take it that seriously.
>You are the outcome of that mistake.
Yes
>Your existence is destroying society.
Yes these smaller individual decisions have a negative impact on society, I don't think it'll be the thing that crushes it but kids and families are poorer for it which is why my mother gets concerned enough to talk about it and share her experience.
>That's the end result of your argument, and yet you haven't rejected it yet
I figured it's a logical conclusion following me saying it wasn't a smart decision for my mother to marry my father.

I'm not perfect or awesome or great, I'm relaying sound advice from experience and observation that has been given to me and some of which I've seen for myself.

>>26027980

5'8 is going to be taller than most men there. but not so much taller that you're completely out of the game. Also, it is somewhat expected that foreign women will be taller but more "Stacked" in general.

If you have big tits (c-cup plus), it's easy-mode.

>>26028262
I defer the standard of "properly supporting a family" to the woman. If the standard was mine to decide, then I could come up with the figure myself.

>>26028238
>"Authority" is a title to someone who is simply a leader, not necessarily better at everything
They don't need to be better at everything, they can still command and control your decisions and behavior.
>The best managers know how to delegate - it's not about being superior
The best manager is still your superior, higher in rank and authority and is STILL telling you what to do.

>"Superior" sometimes works for this, because of how English words can have several connotations, but I wouldn't say that they are the same word, no.
Does it matter? Are you saying you can't love someone you're smarter than? Whether someone is superior in talent or authority it's still possible for them to love someone below them.

>>26027937
>Thank you anon! We're all in the US now, but Japan was incredible.
Well alright, I'm surprised grandma came to unless those visits only happened in japan.

>>26028000

It widely depends on where you live.

I'm in San Francisco and anything under six figures, you're looking at constant scrambling to get by and probably government benefits.

In Montana you could get a motor home, live off the land a little and get by with 30k or less.

>>26028419
I found a 3 bed 1.5 bath 1800 sqft cozy af brick house within walking distance of where i work for under 60k. I think I'm going to make the nest and try to get a beautiful young breeder and make like 3 babbies. Do you think 60k a year is enough to be sole provider?

>>26028000
100k for a suburban house, wife, two kids and a dog. That's my family and we do good, don't fall for the credit card jew. credit card debt is a bitch.

>>26028505
What state and/or area do you live in?

>>26028505
>get a beautiful young breeder
You raising dogs son?

>>26028555
Rural Western MA

>>26028375

>they can still command and control your decisions and behavior.

So you want husbands to do this to wives?

>Does it matter?

Yes, clearly.

>Whether someone is superior in talent or authority it's still possible for them to love someone below them.

Nope, I call bullshit on this.

>>26028292

>>You are the outcome of that mistake.
>Yes
>>Your existence is destroying society.
>Yes

Then kill yourself.

This thread reminds me of this commercial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST0cR2-JcZ0

>>26028578

How much are you going to put down on the mortgage? Whatever your monthly payment is, it should never be more than half of your paycheck.

If that works out, it sounds very possible especially considering where you live.

>>26028226
Omega "sperm" not welcome in my womb of sensual pleasures

>>26028619
>So you want husbands to do this to wives?
To an extent yes.
>Nope, I call bullshit on this.
Nonsense.
>Then kill yourself.
I love you too ;)

>>26028700
I'll be putting down 10k, and i'll be paying it off as aggressively as I can, with the plan to fully own within 2 years. Instead of giving half of my paycheck to the bank, I'll be putting it into increasing the value of the property so I can live in it more comfortably and sell it for more than I bought it for when my family requires more space.

The issue is finding an educated, beautiful, but not particularly ambitious woman who will be content with managing the finances, spending time with the children, and operating the house.

>>26022273
because people become smarter, more automation, less physically demanding jobs or outsourced

also some shit with ww2 women working in war factories and doing fine etc

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>>26028755

>To an extent yes.
Awful.
>Nonsense.
Canthandlethetruth.jpg
>I love you too ;)
Men don't experience love so much as they experience a good boss-employee relationship.

>>26028848
Why do you want her to be educated if she's not going to work? Seems like wasted years and money on college when she could be having the first child and raising them.

>>26029039
>Awful.
I disagree
>Canthandlethetruth.jpg
same to you
>Men don't experience love so much as they experience a good boss-employee relationship.
I'm not your boss though, and it's awfully forward for you to propose to be my faithful employee so soon~

>>26028238
>She did?

Even if it was just his asshole skank dad it still doesn't matter, had the woman respected the finer parts of the 1960s relationship her child would grow up with a father. The minority of housewives were abused, modern housewives don't have to put up with being that minority anywhere near as much and hard as before. You can make friends who will support you as the stigma is gone, family can support you because the stigma is gone, the courts lean towards the favor of housewives now. The person who pays the biggest price for making sure the child is raised right is the child.

>Men continue to use their biology to squirm out of fatherly duties.

Not all men. You can't rely on most of humanity to do the right thing, add in the fact that men are literally wired to go from this partner to that and perhaps you should encourage a system that works better.

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>>26029127

>I disagree
Obviously.
>same to you
Your feelings aren't the truth.
>I'm not your boss though, and it's awfully forward for you to propose to be my faithful employee so soon~
Dude, the only man I'd marry would be a househusband/sub. Who uses tildes except men who secretly love getting slapped around? Confusing, bro.

>>26029088
Intelligence is important. As much as I am against college education, I know that women are socialized differently than I was and that smart women are more likely to go to college than the ones who are not. Additionally, I'll be relying on my woman to be frugal with the finances, and some shitstain is going to do stupid shit with the money i'm bringing home. I wish to homeschool my children and my woman should be able to read well, speak well, and contribute to the effort of educating my children.

>>26022273
rebellion and the spirit of jezebel

>>26022273
because they tired of that shit and illuminati

it's nearly impossible to support a family on 1 salary these days. back in the 50s you could work a factory job and still have a house, a car or two, and send your kids to a good college even. now you need 2 fairly good incomes to be able to do those things. basically our country is fucked.

>>26029208

And guess who made women's lives better in that regard? Feminists.

>had the woman respected the finer parts of the 1960s relationship her child would grow up with a father
>men never abandoned children until the 1960s

Even you don't really believe this.

>Men continue to use their biology to squirm out of fatherly duties.
>>Not all men
>>add in the fact that men are literally wired to go from this partner to that

You're doing it again.

>>26029300
this, but it is worse in some other places in the world

US houses depending on location is pretty well priced

Same reason you don't want to be a subservient house wife.
Some were only house wives in the sixties due to extreme social pressures. That is no longer the case.

>>26022273
>As late as the 60s, most women unironically wanted to be housewives. They looked up to their husbands as providers, protectors of the household and head of the family. They really were content to pop out kids and make house and serve their man.

None of this is actually true though, you've made it up as you look at the past with rose tinted glasses.

>>26029252
>Your feelings aren't the truth.
Again, same to you, your argument that someone can't love someone they're superior to in talent or authority is total, on its face, nonsense.
>Dude, the only man I'd marry would be a househusband/sub.
Disgusting.
>Who uses tildes except men who secretly love getting slapped around?
That's awfully specific and total bullshit~

>>26028619
Asking the growing number of single mother raised men doesn't solve anything. How do you suggest we start convincing the majority of them to kill themselves? Why shouldn't it be the mothers taking the best choice to create a stable environment for their child or not at all? How do you think we can stop players fucking children's life's up?

>>26022273
nothing

it is same as if they would have stuck with executing homos you wouldn't be here today

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>>26026276
>That's just how things are.
That's almost exactly how dogma works, and running a civilization on the basis of dogma isn't usually a fantastic idea.

>>26029628
there needs to be a solid population conforming to the standards of a previous generation, while tolerating the minority group of deviants and mavericks. Not enough mavericks and the culture stagnates, but too many mavericks and the society not sustainable. Look at all the men raised by single mothers who will fail to reproduce. Imagine if all males were like this. There would be no generation to follow this one.

>>26029351
Men did abandon their children, but did they do so at a rate proportional to what we do now?

We shouldn't treat men/women the same in a relationship that raises children. Our brains are wired differently, we don't have different brains from Neolithic ages. It's arrogant to think that these parts of us will disappear. Unless we provide incentives and disincentives to guide them we will make unnecessary sufferings to the next generation. When children's futures are at stake, it should be ethically wrong not to setup the best environment for them once we make that decision.

>>26029767
Using some standards of a previous generation can be perfectly alright to a degree but it can also lead to making the same mistakes over and over and cease advancing as a whole. It should also be obvious that not all standards from the past are applicable to whichever present one lives in, whether they be social, political or otherwise.

>>26029439
>Again, same to you, your argument that someone can't love someone they're superior to in talent or authority is total, on its face, nonsense.
You sound very naive, but I feel like you'll get it someday. Like, people here constantly whine about Stacies being out of their league, women having too high of standards, etc - they're right. When you think you're someone's superior, you don't love them.
>Disgusting.
Don't knock it until you try it, babe.
>That's awfully specific and total bullshit~
You're just teasing me now. Minx.

>>26029470

>Asking the growing number of single mother raised men to kill themselves doesn't solve anything.

Sure it does: I don't have to hear or see them whine.

>How do you suggest we start convincing the majority of them to kill themselves?

I would actually rather PREFER that all men take a step back from their misogynist beliefs and reflect on what those beliefs mean for themselves, their fathers, their friends, etc. I'm sure plenty of you know "players," cheaters, whatever. I'm sure plenty of you have heard of or know men who advocate for "financial abortions." Honestly, if men think single mothers are destroying society, why do they not hold other men accountable for what said men do in their sex lives? That's the point. But if boys really believe that they are what is "destroying society" by being children of single mothers, then, ok. They can improve society by removing themselves from it.

>or not at all

How many conservatives are pushing to get rid of abortions? This entire thread is full of conservative rhetoric, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say "not at all" comes with some serious limitations.

>>26029958
>Stacies being out of their league
In your league is not the same as equal, you certainly couldn't have missed all the claims of women marrying up. In fact the whole idea of chad or alpha male is there's a superior archetype they adore not that they're just as good as him but that he's super awesome and amazing.
>When you think you're someone's superior, you don't love them.
Again it's nonsense, adults are fairly superior to children and you can still love them. There people who I've befriended that I'm smarter than. Even in your fantasy you want a submissive husband are you saying you wouldn't love him?
Love isn't shared only between equals, and marriage is not a bond of equals hierarchy is an unavoidable state.

>They can improve society by removing themselves from it.
But they don't produce single moms, if single moms are overall detrimental to society they can have a greater impact destroying women then they could just offing themselves. Of course there's always the constructive path of investing in a good woman and good family.

>>26022273
A lot of women do though, its just that they're practically forced mostly by feminists to take care of themselves and be independent now

>>26026177
They do want slaves, but whites aren't working out. That's why They re actively trying to breed us out of existence to create a one race working class

>>26023012
>>26024929
girl already attracting attention to herself for being a girl in an /r9k/ thread

>>26030371
Most women have a preference between being independent or being a docile housewife since there isn't much of a grey area in between the two. But I can assume that a few are unsure about it because there's two sides of society trying to force them into believing their own agendas as to what's "right" and "wrong" for them to be because of their genitalia.

>>26030601
Good point and all, but I'm thinking that the ones that are so certain about what they want to do are going to fall on the side of being independent. I don't know about other communities, but where I live there's a lot of media that's shoving the independence thing down girls throats, and much less attention given to the docile housewife possibility. Shit, I think the popular attitude about men is that there are scarcely any men out there who are qualified to be single earners.

>>26022273
Why are you under the impression everyone just gets what they want out of life? What fantasy world do you live in where women are guaranteed a good, emotionally/financially stable marriage with a likeminded husband? Sure, it would be awesome if you could just stay home all day, and far more women want that than you seem to think, but most people can't afford it.

Any woman with decent parents will be raised with the expectation that she will get a good education and a job. Not because they're crazy feminazis who don't need no man, but because it's too much of a risk to assume everything will fall into place with a breadwinning husband. I'm not career driven at all and don't have a degree, but I know I'd be lucky to get married and there's a high chance I'll still have to contribute to the household if I do, so at the very least I've got a full time job and have invested in property.