>>25957365 And that free degree will be absolutely worthless. The other guy who payed for private school will have the job. All it will do is make everyone poorer and make another unneeded hurdle before you can join the workforce.
It seems the worst candidates ever are running this election cycle, from asinine billionaire naricists to dweeby brats trying to act tough (Jeb) to creepy evangelical fundamentalists (Carson, Cruz) to Hillary fucking Clinton.
I like sanders if only because of how much butt hurt he gives rich people, and rich Americans are the biggest assholes on the planet.
>>25957395 Your degrees are already worthless (well, not yours since I happen to know you're a blue collar wageslave).
There's not a job you can get that doesn't either require serious experience or nepotism. And with that we're still told that the USA has a shortage of skilled labor. That's why companies are importing programmers from India and Russia to work high skill jobs. At the same time, jobs like yours are being given to Latinos who will gladly work for less than a living wage to escape the humanitarian crisis conditions of their home countries.
When it comes down to it, unchecked capitalism is completely built on suffering and exploitation, and the people you want to vote for want to bring you closer to that.
>tfw pretty socially liberal >tfw despise shillary cunton and her lying deceitful bullshit >like bernie at least a little more, but theres no way this country will be able to successfully implement his socialist utopia ideals like they can in europe, not with the entire midwest and south existing
Call me crazy, but I actually like Martin O'Malley and hen John Kasich for the Republicans the most.
Why does Martin O'Malley not get any recognition? The dude is so based
>>25957625 >tfw didn't even try getting a job >online app only >didn't talk to anybody >got hired anyway >$13/hr for menial labor >tfw still support Bernie Sanders because he's the only non-cuckslave candidate in the running
If it's Bernie vs Trump I honestly don't know who I'll vote for. Bernie says a lot of nice things but most of them are unfeasible. He also seems limp dicked on foreign policy and certainly won't be someone who would inspire fear or respect on the international scene. That whole thing where he let those black lives matters fuckers take his stage proved that he has no backbone when something might be outside the PC realm.
Feel like at least Trump wouldn't take it on the chin from people, that people wouldn't so easy be prone to saber rattle at us.
>>25958319 >He also seems limp dicked on foreign policy and certainly won't be someone who would inspire fear or respect on the international scene.
We control like 60% of the world's military power. Who gives a shit if there's some hard ass psychopath in the office ordering missile strikes on on African children in some country you didn't know existed?
Literally every major threat to our way of life is within our country's borders.
Daily reminder that socialism doesn't work with a non-monoethnic society of 300 million+ people. Socialism requires people contribute properly, and to give up what is asked of you. This goes against human nature, we will never be equal and egalitarianism is a pipe dream. We all seek to have more than someone else, it's what drives us as humans. Socialism/communism goes against human nature and therefore will never work. National healthcare will ruin the competition between healthcare providers and will only provide substandard healthcare at most. Social security is a failing system and won't last much longer. Government welfare is a failing system and won't last much longer. Socialism does not work, it will fail.
>>25958609 >dumb high school educated shitskin works in a factory for peanuts >supports a party who wants to make it possible to pay him even less >supports a party who wants to make it possible for him to be replaced by a robot arm and/or Ecuadorian illegal immigrant >supports a party who wants him to starve on the street like he's "supposed to" when naturally his job role is replaced with something less expensive in favor of maximum business efficiency
Why are liberals always lying? Nobody who isn't a paid shill should be voting for any leftist, see another lying liberal right here >>25958697
Most Bernie supporters are underage HS kiddies who think money is magic and they can get free things because it's magic, I don't have to explain shit. Reddit LOVES Bernie and anyone who endorses Bernie is a mentally retarded child.
>Le /pol/ meme that Sanders doesn't understand economics No, YOU don't understand economics. Going to college is a positive externality. What that means, because I bet most of you never took an economics class in your life and only believe what Fox news tells you, is " a benefit that is enjoyed by a third-party as a result of an economic transaction." So when you go to college, that is an economic transaction, and the third-party benefit is the country as a whole. The country benefits when you go to college. So the more people who go to college - the more the country benefits. Other countries understand this, they know that they need people going to college for the good of the whole country, and they have subsidized college so that education is cheap and or free. Not in America though. In America, the purchasing power of minimum wage has gone down 25% since 1978 so your dollar goes less far than it used to. In addition, college costs literally 10x as much ans has increased in cost way higher than the rate of inflation. Fun fact: college textbook prices have increased even higher than that.
People complain about OH NO THE RICH HAVE TO PAY MORE TAXES UNDER SANDERS HOW AWFUL - you people are so young that you do not realize how ABSURDLY low taxes are compared to what they were in the pre-nixon era. Before nixon, the top tax tiers could go up to 50%, 60%, 70%, even fucking 90% going back to the 50s. IRONICALLY, this is the "good old days" of America. Yes, the good old days of america, as conservatives say, were actually far more socialist than we are today. Google the tax brackets over the decade if you don't believe me.
What has happened is that rich people own the government now, they literally own congressmen and women to vote in ways that benefit them and propose bills that benefit them. Most recently, several republicans have proposed a bill that would allow lower speed internet to be called broadband. they're obviously in the pockets of big internet.
>>25958848 And it's not just big internet. Big oil owns the republican party. Some of these republican congressmen are not as stupid as you may think, they may very well believe in climate change but big oil pays them to pretend that it isn't happening, just as big tobacco did to pretend cigarettes dont cause cancer. the influence of money in politics has made a mockery of democracy. in america, it's not a democracy. it really isn't. big money, whether its big oil, big internet, or big pharma etc - they're the ones that run this country. they make us turn on eachother - they make us think that all our taxes are going to support black welfare queens with 15 kids when that's a fucking SMALL percentage of what our taxes are going towards. They make us fight eachother instead of them. And you guys all fall for it. >is magic and they can get free things because it's magic, I don't have to explain shit. le /pol/ meme again
Bernies policies would SAVE money in the long run. Why the fuck do you think we pay the most money in the world for healthcare? If healthcare here is 2x as much as britain or canada, is it 2x as better? you gotta be fucking kidding me if you believe that shit. it's free reign capitalism that has led to this, because let me tell you: If you let these big ass companies do whatever the fuck they want they will fuck the consumer. DUH.
>"bernie supporters are cucks who know nothing xddddd" >30 reverse tumblr posts about how you're gonna vote based on who hates SJWs the most >someone actually wants to have a debate >"no im too lazy to read that" *posts memes*
Maybe because your first point is retarded? Women are now the majority of College Graduates and what are they graduating in? Psychology, Wymen and Gender Studies. The US doesn't need more worthless degrees just to ask us how we'd like our fries done. Also, a oversaturation of people with College Degrees will basically turn them into shitty HS 2.0 Diplomas.
So fucking compare today's tax rates, which are SUPER GENEROUS to the rich, compare those numbers to the numbers in the 70s, the numbers in the 60s, the numbers in the 50s and beforehand.
TODAYS RICH PEOPLE have it so easy. They have almost the lowest tax rates in American history. Rich people used to be charged tax rates of 70-90%!! And guess what, jobs didn't suddenly stop being created!
Someone fucking refute me without a 'le trump face' meme
Let me put it to you in a way even you can understand.
Let's say the US has a shortage of engineers, which is true. Let's say there's 100,000 engineers but 300,000 open jobs for engineers, so a shortage of workers but a surplus of jobs.
Now let's half of all Americans now get free College which would be 150,000,000 Americans. And maybe 1% of those 150 Mil want to be an engineer and get a degree, that would be 1.5 Million new engineers competing for about 300,000 available jobs, what do you think would happen to the other 1.2 Million new engineers in the US and what would their degree be worth here?
>>25959124 >it means new wealth is being created and being invested back into the capital no actually the opposite the wealth is being horded and not spent at all do you think 1% of the population buys more stuff than 99% of the population? it would be better for the economy if the wealth was distributed more since then more people would buy goods and services.
>>25959273 >In what universe is it fair to take out more of a percentage from the higher earner? A percentage based tax ALREADY does that. We use a progressive tax system for a reason. Taxes hurt the poor more than they hurt the rich. To a poor person that percentage of their income, after they pay for their rent, food, bills, etc. is a very large amount. A rich person can afford to spare more of their income. The only countries that don't use progressive tax codes are underdeveloped shithole third world countries. In addition, we need wealth to be redistributed. Otherwise the poor will stay poor forever and the rich will stay rich forever. We need some money to be redistributed, or else the rich will be our fucking feudal lords.
Progressive tax codes are good. Even the most conservative of economists admit this.
too lazy to get involved in edgy /pol/ arguing but i never get the opposition against a heavy tax on the super elite
i mean, when i look at the koch brothers >literal billions just sitting there >they're almost 80 years old >instead of playing Jesus Jr. and making historical philanthropy they're throwing 800 million down the drain to try and buy politics
and i know that's just those dudes, but there's no denying that the elite are largely fucking with out politics, climate, etc, basically murdering and fucking everything with lobbyists because apparently you can't afford enough with just 2 billion, you need 5 at least
i literally don't care if any of these people get a heavy tax, no one needs 5+ billion dollars and it's proven by the fact that that money often just sits there or gets invested in more shit that just hurts us. am i really supposed to not want to see walton money go to things that actually help people rather than funding their donations to some anti-gay organization that's 1. retarded and 2. literally not gonna work.
notice how the politicians that yell "FREE STUFF" the loudest are also the ones getting lobbyist money to say so in the first place. it's ridiculous that i can go bankrupt over an injury but the walton family is being defended because they "deserve" that money.
>>25959283 nearly 40% of Americans already have college educations, you cuck
add to that that a surplus of engineers could never possible be a bad thing since they literally invent industrial processes and create the entire framework for industry
if there are suddenly 1.5 million new people with some sort of engineering education and they're all competing for the same few jobs (which is already the case if you're taking globalization into account, and I don't think you did), some of them aren't going to make the cut and they'll have to do something else. But what's wrong with that? Why would you be in favor of stiff competition and a more competent working labor pool as opposed to some retarded model of extreme scarcity? Why do you even think that every American would seek a college education if given the opportunity, and how do you think something like 1% of the entire population would pursue the same engineering degrees? You're so disconnected that you think everybody has the same poo in loo tier affinity for high status aspie jobs.
Past all of this garbage, Sanders is proposing a living minimum wage, so it doesn't really fucking matter if there's any surplus of skilled labor. That could literally only be a good thing. Anybody who doesn't find a place here has an edge over global competition.
>>25959359 >too lazy to get involved in edgy /pol/ arguing but i never get the opposition against a heavy tax on the super elite
They already pay 50% of their earned income and the top 10% of all Americans are already responsible for 78% of all taxed income, meaning those top 10% of earners in America pay more in taxes than the other 90% combined. All dem programs liberals and niggers love so much are paid for by the rich.
France tried to tax anyone who made over 1 Million a year 90% of their income. The rich just said "Fuck it Pierre, I'm out of here" and threatened to flee. The poor and middle class can't afford to pay for all dem programs so France cancelled the proposed bill.
Just see this video for clarity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvfHLr5aEqU
>>25959359 right, there are people on this planet right now with the personal wealth to launch objects into outer space, but there are still millions of people who can barely afford enough food
It's ironic to me that conservatives, whose favorite phrase for skipping out on teaching their children anything is "life isn't fair", argue that if you see a problem in one dynasty, or even one man, amassing more wealth than he could ever possibly blow out of his ass on superfluous consumer goods every single day, that you're not being just and fair.
UNFAIR is when one baby is born with his entire luxurious life planned and paid for, while another baby is born with nothing but problems to sort out. take it from this Debs quote:
>Competition was natural enough at one time, but do you think you are competing today? Many of you think you are. Against whom? Against Rockefeller? About as I would if I had a wheelbarrow and competed with the Santa Fe from here to Kansas City.
>>25959359 >notice how the politicians that yell "FREE STUFF" the loudest are also the ones getting lobbyist money to say so in the first place. And notice how since WalMart doesn't pay their workers enough money, their workers go on FoodStamps, and often those Food Stamp dollars go right back to the WalMarts they work at so they can pay for food.
So you, the American taxpayer, are paying money to WalMart workers so that they can get foodstamps because WalMart doesn't pay them enough, and then WalMart gets the foodstamp money on top of that.
So if you are a taxpayer of this country you are subsidizing WalMart. They don't pay their workers enough, so you are the only who must pay for their food - so they can spend it at WalMart. And WalMart can't raise their employees salaries, oh no no, then they'd make no money! Poor WalMart.
Notice how corporate welfare is okay but if you're ever on welfare then you are the scum of the earth.
>>25959407 you know that most of the actual elite like the 1% don't pay that many taxes? do you know how many tax haven there are? taxes do fall on the rich but the global elite that are above the rich avoid them all together
>>25959407 >They already pay 50% of their earned income The top tax rate is 39.6% and we know that those rich enough to be in that tax bracket have lawyers who look into loopholes and tax breaks for them so they are never even paying that 39.6% rate
In 2011, Warren Buffet said that he paid only 17.4 percent of his taxable income in federal income taxes
>top 10% of all Americans are already responsible for 78% of all taxed income The top 10% of Americans probably make 78% of the fucking income that isn't saying anything
You forget about State taxes, 39% is just federal taxes. Besides, what do you believe they should be taxed, 60%, 90%, 100%? Even if you took their offshore money and taxed the top 10% of earners in the US, that still wouldn't be able to pay for Universal Healthcare alone in the US.
Instead of using Marxist Critical Theory, how about you show some real, sensible solutions.
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