>>25946015 So you're saying anyone not in STEM is fucked? That's the truth, unless you are actually talented and have connections for most liberal studies tier things. Debt is manageable if you planned ahead and dreams are compromised when neccesary.
Yea you can get your leSTEM degree and make some good money. But while you are sitting in your cubical shit posting on r9k for the next 40 years of your life I'm fucking your girlfriend /wife and traveling the world
>>25946271 >>25946280 Typical faggot ass leSTEM lack of knowledge on how the world works. Make a decent income and traveling is quite easy. I work at a job, I get paid around $45,000 a year with my history degree and I go traveling for at least a month every year, and have been since I was 18 working at fucking McDonald's. Don't spend your money on a new pc or vidya for once in your miserable lives and you can too
>>25946626 It's your life anon, and if you feel that just sitting at home playing video games all day is better than that's on you. This shit is pointless anyways, doesn't matter what you do, as long as you enjoy yourself, but I'm sure you will regret it in later years. Don't want to sound cliche, but traveling really has changed my life and perspective, and traveling alone somewhere is something everyone should do at least once
>>25946508 >I work at a job hahahah WHAT job faggot? did you get it because your degree has earning potential, or did you luck into it? are you the creme of the crop in your degree or are you just the average degree holder?
your shit tier libarts degree is exactly that. that doesn't mean literally everyone who has a libarts degree is going to be paid like shit. but the majority of people who get out with one will be working at fucking starbucks and you damn well know it.
>>25946694 Not saying I haven't traveled, it's great. Just that alot of people here wouldn't find that an enjoyable activity, when you could get a new gaming rig. Traveling alone is extremely satisfying for me.
The degree only affects your success if you attend a mid-shit tier university.
If you attend a top-tier institution like Cambridge you're set irrespective of the degree you take. Even if you took women's studies there you would land yourself with a comfortable government/think-tank job.
Just putting this out there if anyone is becoming dissuaded from studying their passion and could get into an elite university.
>>25946704 Did I ever say different? I'm just giving you an example of my life. You don't need a stem degree to be enjoying yourself post grad years. I got my history degree because I loved it, wasn't even expensive either, 2 years at a cc than I transferred to Berkeley for basically free as a California resident. Some of the most miserable people I know are robots who got stem degrees, especially cs
>>25946015 At the end of the day, you are what you sow. You can come back from the debt if you actually apply your self, or you can die a pathetic loser in your mother's basement. It's a choice, your choice.
>>25947083 >cc than I transferred to Berkeley >history major
Help me senpai. Cali CC History faggot here. I need advice. I applied to Cal, UCLA, UCI, and Davis (got TAGd there). What should I expect if I get accepted and attend? What's the history program like? Which professor should I take/ignore? Should I worry about triggering anyone?
Where do you live. While the profession is in decline here in England there isn't a degree available that I have more respect for than law. Moreover the elites in the profession in this country are the most hard-working and intelligent (within the purview of their career) in the world.
>>25947261 It's not very different than other history programs, can't recommend any profs names because I don't remember them, but it is a considerable jump from the cc to the US workload so prepare yourself, if you enjoy history though it's amazing.
>>25946991 >Oil and gas is instable as fuck This terrifies me. All my friends who went this are fucked, their scope is too limited to even go into other related fields. That being said, if you graduated 4 years ago the world was your oyster and people just handed you wheelbarrows full of cash.
Sums up your degree though, you have a job teaching more people to have useless degrees, therefore contributing to the cycle of why bother lol
FYI, you can't really say someone has bad taste when you presumably watch anime and use anime reaction pictures unironically, anime is only good if you're autistic and need emotions/story to be laid out to you because you can't decipher human emotions.
>>25947293 Look up the employment rate, it's worse than sociology in many places. Yes, architects are a vital part of the construction industry, but they're also a tiny, tiny part. A friend of mine went architecture, ended up being a draftsman. Most of his classmates weren't so lucky and ended up working a McJob or going back to school for retraining. Either way, he could have been a draftsman for much cheaper and much faster by studying EDDT - and be more qualified not to mentioned.
>>25946015 uh well hello.... im paramedic basically the slave of the nurse. aaaaaaaahhhhhhh its a lot of work dammit :/ and a shitty wage i dont wanna work that shhit thats why im going to study nursery next year hell yea its good only for meeting girls.. brainless whores basically so anyway... thats ..... its like a mix between a shit tier and a meh tier.
Most other professions take a hell of a lot more schooling to make big bucks. Engineers can start hitting gold at 22. However, engineering is also very overrated at the same time. It's saturated, and only the actually intelligent and crafty ones will really succeed, the rest will end up as glorified technologists. Hell, I'm an engineering technologist and I beat out actual engineers for my job, they didn't have the networking skills or the perfect GPAs so they were slinging it down low.
>>25947532 Law is insanely oversatured at the moment. Sure, if you graduate from a great school or know how to network like a champ then you'll do fine. But most won't. Most will work crazy hours at the most boring shit known to man for only decent pay.
I wouldn't say saved a link, I remembered the scene, googled archer anthropology and linked it here, you on the other hand downloaded an anime reaction picture and went through the process of labelling it too :).
Archer is good though, the jokes are funny like most animes that try to be serious.
>>25948253 Yes but thats the fault of the people, not the degree. They're not doing gruntwork because thats the likelihod, they're doing it because they probably shouldnt have been doing law in the first place. Even without connections there are many paths a law grad can take that are equal or better to a good solicitor job.
And honestly, making the right connections is not as hard as those people doing gruntwork would make out. ITs their own fault they're there and they squandered a degree that could have had them doing so much more. Its the equivalent to a shitload of mechanical engineering students becoming janitors at high schools and saying their degree sucks.
>>25949155 Teachers college is massively oversubscribed in many areas. In my province less than 10% of them will ever teach in a classroom. Every shitty university has a teaching program but there's only so many jobs available each year. The turnover is non existent because once you're in, you're set for life, you either wait for them to retire or die, and there's only so many open spots from that a year, certainly not enough to satisfy the armies getting the degree.
>>25949222 well here in America grads with teaching degree have a retardedly low unemployment rate. Seriously if you have a masters in teaching you can get a job no problem, no experience required.Its only teaching at uni level that requires a phd and work experience.
>>25947424 To be fair, with art you actually have a chance of creating some kind of success for yourself. History is literally just reading bigger and bigger books with more and more inconsequential details.
>get undergrad in liberal arts; do a double-major and a double-minor with a heavy-ish emphasis on math and science >abuse scholarships, grants, and federal aid >go to med school after getting my undergrad; do outside courses, internships, and possibly a year as an EMT before applying to get chem credits and experience >specialize in pediatric surgery, finally be independent years later when I'm not a resident
I'm in it for the long haul and I'm gifted enough to make this work. Fuck having a family and a life. (God, I honestly hope not).
>biochemical engineer I don't even know what kind of job I'll be able to get after graduating. I do have some internship experience as a lab technician so I hope I'll be able to leverage that in job interviews.
>Law enforcement in meh tier >Keeping scum off the street, having a secure steady job, and getting plush pensions is meh tier >mfw
Being a cop in my city is fucking God tier, in fact I'm dedicating the next 6 years of my life trying to get the qualifications to becoming a police officer while simultaneously working a fulltime job to support my family because being a cop (at least where I'm from) is probably the best career a normal middle class person will be able to nab.
>>25950539 Tumbling downhill. Pay is going down. Hospital work is going down. Have fun with your part-time job at a supermarket giving anti-depressants to housewives. It's being squeezed on all ends by other professions.
>>25946015 >meet Fred >Fred was that retarded kid in high school >Fred never graduated instead he went to trade school >Fred graduated trade school and had 20k by the time you graduated high school >Fred was making 60k by the time you graduated college with 100k in debt with stem degree >Fred was making 150k/yr running his own poop cleaning business while you were for minimum wage because there are no stem jobs >One day you meet up with Fred >Fred smells like shit >You laugh at him and call Fred a retarded shit cleaner and no matter how much he makes he's still a shit cleaner and you're a smart educated person >Fred fucks his hot bitches in front of you while proving the existence of a poo poo pee pee vector space >You go home, browse /r9k/ and post your suicide note >You die and your mother is sad you were a failure and not like Fred >Fred then poo poo pee pee on your grave
fucking lel dude Culinary is the most expensive diploma and what does it get you? The right to make $13 /hr instead of $10. Crim is what normies who have no idea what they want to do go into, and when they grad they still work at a clothing store in the mall.
>>25951174 If some foreigner beats you for a job then you deserve to fail. Soft skills is the most important thing upon hiring and since they can't speak good English, their soft skills have a hilariously low ceiling. The only classmates I know that can't find a job because of foreigners beating them out are absolutely bottom of the barrel. Bad students, bad communication skills, unlikable losers. You're getting your ass kicked by someone who can't even talk.
I'm doing teaching right now and let me tell you, 80% of my classmates seem ill fit to be a teacher, and either they won't graduate because they'll fail their practicum, or they just will never get hired cause I can tell they'd bomb any interview.
Becoming a teacher is mostly about connections really. If you personally know school district higher ups you'll get in. It's how I'll get in.
>>25951407 In my city at least, everyone is going in asking for the same wage, people aren't undercutting anyone by asking for lower wages for the same work, so the good rise, and the shitty fall. In fact saying "I know that this job says 50k/year salary, but I'll do it for 40k" just seems wrong, like employers would be offended that someone would do something like that.
>>25946015 >Rated by employment, usefulness to market, salary, and Job environment
Then why is Medicine not in the top tier? >Near 100% employment (seriously, not even pharmacy or law can touch this) >Literally save lives, are the only value-providers in a hospital (business-wise) >Salary is consistently upper class; low specialties ~200k, high specialties 1M+ >Job Environment = literally being the boss at work, your say is final; public respect
Also Biochemistry (Which is basically molecular biology) > Chemistry OR Biology And you have biochem twice in the same tier?
> Me in high school. > 100% of my life revolved around music. > Take private lessons, do composition, take band in school, you name it. > Everyone just assumed that I would major in music in college. > I think it over. > I decided to major in computer science instead. > Software engineering provided me with a really good living. (Retired now.) > Look back on it many years later. > Praise the heavens that I was smart enough to major in the right thing when I was 18.
>>25952789 Well, you kinda do. I mean oil companies, consulting companies, they all have management making millions that are engineers. Some of the richest people in the world are engineers. I don't get what you're saying.
Also why do you have such an obsession with making that much money? In any field you have a very small chance of making that much, and being that rich is overrated; best to just settle for well off.
No. Right now, I'm just relaxing and enjoying my first year of retirement. But at some point I would like to see if I can volunteer in an educational environment. For example, I could do something like mentoring at the high school robotics club, or some other STEM thing like that were my expertise in software engineering could help.
>>25952213 School is 21-25 or 22-26 if you go straight after college instead of waiting. Residency money is like 60-80k/yr where I am but that's just 2-5 years and then you should be hitting big bux as an attending between 27-31 years old.
And you don't feel poverty or debt in your student years because #1 the debt isn't something you pay back until you're done residency (meaning big bux time) and #2 the debt's interest rate is barely higher than inflation where I'm at and #3 you get loans of roughly 50k/yr in spending money while you're student (an amount you can easily pay back with your future salary no matter what specialty).
The downsides are really just the residency hours but after that you can literally work part-time (~20h/week) and bank over 100k/year.
>>25946015 Lol I'm not going to bother reading this shit thread, but just know that you guys are all ants fighting for which wagekuck job is the best. No matter what, you lose! The true path is that of an entrepreneur/business owner. Work for yourself and make money off others. Anything else belongs in the shit tier category.
>>25957999 Nice trips. My dad is an entrepreneur and he makes more than I'll ever make as a software engineer. I'd like to come up with some sort of business like he's done but I don't really like the marketing business he has set up.
>>25958058 I'm on the path of retiring at 22 and I still don't understand why people consider going to school and joining the workforce. Talk to him for advice and see what business you can start with the knowledge you have. Or find a mentor or something. Anything is better than working a job for someone else.
Oil will recover. The days for 30 dollar a barrel of oil will be a lovely memory for consumers when oil bounces back in 3-4 years and were back up to 120 a barrel. Perfect time to get into petrol eng, geosci, chem eng if you wanna make some of dat dere oil money
>>25948700 Depends on your experience and level of education. My roommate has a bio degree from Oberlin and he makes decent money, but he spent a few years getting shit pay at a university lab before his current job. If you're really motivated, you can make it work.
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