Who /personalitydisorder/ here?

avoidant here

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Schizotypal here.
It's not fun.

>>25926937
How is it? When did you first realize you had it?

I feel like I may be AVPD or Schizotypal or something but I don't want to go see anybody about it.

>>25926937
Recently thought i was only severely depressed. Few days ago came across avoidant personality disorder online and almost all the symptoms listed applied to me

>>25926089
I'm not sure I was diagnosed with personality disorder but I don't remember which specific one it was

I can relate to Avoidant, and schizoid, schizotypal.

Borderline over here m8

PPD and ADHD here
feels bad main

>>25927317
>>25927403
>>25927335

schizotyps, tell me what it's like?

Been going to a psychiatrist recently. The one thing he told me was very likely was that I'm a schizoid. I have purposefully avoided researching the schizo spectrum to remain unbiased when we next meet.

Wish me luck.

>>25926089
Another made up disease. Smh

>>25926089
OCPDfag reporting in, possible bipolar (results havent come in yet)

>>25926089
borderline, theatrical, narcissism and OCPD... so yeah pretty fucked...

I've got semi-detached oblong westbound acute chronic personality mitosis. Pray for me familia.

>>25927557
Can a narcissist acknowledge how fucked they are? Every NPD I've ever met has always been far to convinced how awesome they are to ever believe they have a personality disorder.

I'm a demisexual panromantic....opps sorry wrong group of snowflakes.


Kill yourselves faggots.

>>25927800
Pinning a name on something that takes over and holds back an individual's progress in life is helpful because then you can specifically work towards treating it, making life bearable.

In other words, you're an asshole that uses 4chan's anonymity to justify being one.

>>25927450
Hell. Schizo's are just weird twisted people, I feel like self-hatred and low self esteem are some of the only emotions I can feel anymore.

And if you have Schiz, It can be very tough to hide from friends and family. School was unbearable, because some of the more clever kids can always tell there is something wrong with you, and that led to me becoming a social pariah in elementary. All the neglect and teasing and disappointing your family adds up.

Also good luck getting a woman if you are a Schiz.

schizoid i think

also depressed

i want a gf but i don't want to have to meet her and woo her. i wish i was born in a country with arranged marriages

>>25927880
Move to one.

ISIS are always looking for more mujaheddin.

>>25927845
Yeah it's helpful to fill big pharmas pockets, you pathetic mark.

>>25927949
I actually had therapy/counselling in mind when I wrote that, but whatever, take what suits you.

>>25927949
Personality disorders like Schiz don't really get big pharma drugs lobbed at them honestly.

It's mostly just therapy, plenty of quacks in that field but I think if you had half of my issues you would appreciate any kind of help when it comes to this shit.

>>25927845
Nope, I roll my eyes at you drama queens irl too.

>>25926089
I'm probably a schizoid but I don't know for sure

>>25927973
Oh, well that's much better. Cucked by a mountebank 'scientist'.

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>>25926089
I've only been officially diagnosed with avoidant and paranoid

personality disorder are mostly nonsense though tbqh

>>25927982
Plenty of quacks? Try 100% quacks.

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it's called Putting Up With Fucking Normies.
(P.U.W.F.N.) disorder.

>>25928028
Does it feel good to let it out?

>>25928035
Officially? Oh my.

>>25928072
Probably better than pretending I have a made up disease.

>>25928098
It's funny because you're probably the most ill ITT.

No, if you had decent parents they'd tell you to cut the shit too.

>>25928187
This desu

lol

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>>25926089
Avoidant here.
I think it was about a year ago my theraspist made me fill out a questionnaire or something and all but 1 or 2 of the qualities applied to me.
At least if we know about it we can fight it, r-right?

SPD. Shit sucks because i'm rather introverted and want to be along a lot. Doesn't mean I don't get lonely. Hard to make friends avoiding everything living.

The mania highs are fucking intense. I don't have as many lows as when I stop fapping. 1 week and I feel superhuman. 2 weeks and I feel normal. Haven't ever gone longer than 2 weeks.

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where my bpd boys at

>>25927873
Um. none of that is about Schizo. I am schizo I heard voices and thought I had psychic powers.

>>25929589
Your Schizophrenic maybe.

It's pretty uncommon for people who are Schizotypical to actually believe compulsions or delusions like Schizophrenics do.

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>All "schitzotypal" posts
If you haven't been professionally diagnosed, you're just another tumblr faggot that has taken a fake evaluation test online.

My grandfather has NPD and I hate him.

I'm NABPDTX

>>25929969
>professionally

kek s.mh

seems like id have avpd but is avoidant just a meme?

>>25930387
No asshole, profesional like the fake doctor he pays $100hr to indulge his naval gazing.

>>25926089
If you believe in "personality disorders" and don't have a vagina, you're a faggot making excuses for your weakness and should kill yourself. Just throwing that out there.

>>25930486

this.

someone with a PhD just randomly assigned the term "personality disorder" to a cluster of normal human behaviors that were considered utterly non-pathological for millenia.

fuck with me.

>>25927467
Personality disorder is not a diagnosis, it's a broad spectrum of illnesses and dysfunctions.

>this faggot lol

>>25926089
Diagnosed avoidant with schizoid features. Hard to describe but I actually come off as fairly normal, yet there's this detachment that makes it impossible for me to do anything productive. Stuck living the NEET life and I can't even enjoy it because I can't retreat far enough into myself to connect with the part of me that's capable of really enjoying things.

that bitch tagged me with an antisocial personality disorder diagnosis like it's an actual thing. Way to throw a bitchfit just cause doesn't like me

>>25930532
>strawman and ad hominem

hello schlomo

>>25930532
Oh a spectrum, I take it all back. I didn't know there was a spectrum.

Smh. There is a sucker born every minute.

>>25930572
tell me more

who is this bitch and why do you believe her?

>>25930560
Cut the bullshit, and act like a grown up with some sense.

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Only person in the thread with anti social personality disorder reporting in.

>>25930624
What a rare and unique snowflake you must be.

>>25930602

Psychiatrist I got stuck with on court order, and I think she just has a fancy way of calling me an asshole like everybody else.

>>25930620
Great advice. You should write a book. Go on tour. You could be the next Dr. Phil.

>>25930662
Kek. You should fuck around and see what other made up bullshit you can get that fraud to to 'diagnose' you with.

>>25930662
>a fancy way of calling me an asshole like everybody else

hit the nail on the fucking head
why did you end up in court in the first place?

>>25930663
Believe me that simple piece of advice would help more people than your fake doctors and their fraudulent pseudoscience.

>>25926089
I'm a legitimate megalomaniac. When I was a kid, I wanted to be a dictator more than anything else. Even to this day, I can't shake the feeling inside me that my destiny is to rule the world and propel humanity into universal dominance.

>>25930704
reckless driving causing injuries and resisting arrest. Not sure those are the exact terms since I'm french but hey you get the point.

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>>25930648
shut up faggot face

>>25930732
Stopped at 'legitimate'

>>25930756
No, really, I was diagnosed in the third grade.

>>25930724
You say that like it isn't the advice every normie friend or family member ever gives. Everyone with a mental illness hears it countless times in their lives.

>>25930750
Hey if you want to pay me $100 hr I'll listen to you whine, and make up a disorder with a fancy name.

>>25930764
'Really'. 'Diagnosed'. You guys are hilarious. Don't ever buy a used car.

>>25930773
Maybe give cutting the shit a try.

ASPD here, actually diagnosed by a psychiatrist.

>>25930812
Yeah anon. I don't know what shit school you went to, but mine had a psychologist.

>>25930787
Yea all the disorders are fake. People with depression are just whiners. OCD is retarded. Schizophrenia is bullshit.

>>25930826
I have. I started out with the premise that there was nothing wrong with me and beat my head against that brick wall for a good long while.

Has it occurred to you that you don't actually know complete strangers better than they know themselves? Maybe give that perspective a try.

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>>25930724
even this negro knows he's right

>>25930831

congrats, when's your school shooting planned?

>>25930732
Humanity is already universally dominant.

>>25930834
Stop it. You're hilarious.

>>25930903
Bullshit, there are lesser races to conquer. I know it.

>>25930736
Are you really French? Or are you "French" like Ahmed and Muhammad?

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>>25930886
ITT: retards pretend personality disorders don't exist

>>25930901
kek
I don't have a motive, and plus why throw away my life by doing something so retarded?

>>25930881
Yes and I'm otherkin. YOU DON'T KNOW ME.

>>25930881

don't listen to faggots like this, people who get therapy improve a great deal in a positive direction, even though a therapist will never turn you into a full normie

people who say therapists are shit either a) had a shit therapist or b) just are totally unwilling to imagine there's a real field that doesn't have to do with autistic things they like like computer programming

>>25930773
>i hear it all the time
>it's therefore wrong

De-legitimizing mental illness isn't even normie within middle- to upper-class circles. Most "mentally ill" normies will eat you alive if you try to tell them how full of shit most of them are.

>>25930947

good answer, I'll tell the swat team i've assembled to stand down

>>25930947
Be careful they are all going to call you edgy now. They have an inferiority complex to our kind.

>>25930920
Oh, I get it now. Your parents were mouthbreathing, beer swilling, working class heroes that lived in a low opportunity area with an under performing school district. Your mistrust of the possibility of people having mental disorders is due to a lack of education on the subject.

>>25930841
Psychology is a bullshit pseudoscience, and you're a pathetic acolyte.

>>25930987
thanks familia

fuck you this is original reeeeeeeegegsgfsg

Hello.
When i was a kid, i had many diagnoses, inluding ADHD, autism and other ones that i cant remember right now, and i dont want to take the documents to check it.
3 Years ago, i started going to the psychiatrist, because i wa having trouble at work. I always had trouble with people, but he seemed to be a nice guy. It took me probably six consults for me to feel confortable enought to talk deeply about my problems, after some time, he started to give me rispiridone, and asked for an iq test, he told me and my mom, that, he was thinking about F.20 or autism. I did the iq test, and the winner was schizophreny. Six months later, i had a big outbreak, tried to kill myself, was i a deep depression, and i had to be internated on a mental hospital. That was 2014. I'l not lie, they give you some strong meds, i had problems to speak, walk, and even think. There was some dudes that had to take some big doses of haldol, cause they were losing it. I met a bipolar lad who seemed to be really cool, but they told me he tried to attack someone before, and had to be tied to a bed. When i left the mental hospital, i was using haldol and citalopram.
I went to the social service, and they told me i was too young for that diagnose, and asked me to change the doc.
Now, my new psychiatrist, this week, sent me the new veredict, since i never had, let's say like "normal" halucination, but i still have some negative effects from F.20, my actual diagnose is F.60. Which is, a personality disorder, called schizoid.
When i see my mom crying, i cant understand her, why is she crying, although in the end, i know it is for me, i cant just feel it as i used to do before.
I feel... Empty, it seems i'm a broken shell.
I have no objectives, and i barely feel pleasure to do something at all. But i feel happy, it could be worse.
Good night.

>>25930994

true, I have crazy empathy and am in the bottom 10%tile relating to psychopathy (aka willingness to step on others to forward your own wants)

I am a little jealous of people without empathy, honestly i think helping people is just in my self interest because fucking up people makes me feel bad and helping people makes me feel good

>>25930947
*kekky

original comment

>>25930841
The vast majority of them, yes. Even when those disorders "legitimately" exist, there's usually a subjective factor that is completely ignored by both the psychiatrist and the patient.

Tell me why those who murder people for Yahweh and Allah aren't "schizophrenic"? Tell me why people who murder for green pieces of paper aren't "schizophrenic"?

Moan all you want, I know I'm right.

>>25931043

Oh man, I was on haldol for 45 days for drug induced psychosis and they misdiagnosed me Bipolar 2 NOS psychotic, worst shit ever, worst time of my life

if Will: that's because of the kratom will

>>25930964
Psychology is unnquantifiable so saying someone has 'improved' is subjective horseshit.

That will be $100. Thank you come again.

>>25931088
>Tell me why those who murder people for Yahweh and Allah aren't "schizophrenic"? Tell me why people who murder for green pieces of paper aren't "schizophrenic"?

That's actually one of the dumbest arguments I've ever heard.

>>25930881
No one can tell you you're "ill" without your consent.

Right now, tell me why you're "wrong", and why everyone else is "right".

>>25930921
They've already been conquered. Democracy and "civil rights" have done more damage to the brown man than colonialism and slavery.

>>25931003
Is a wittle rich boy sad? Mommy will indulge her baby boy and pay a fake doctor to placate him, and externalize blame for his shortcomings.

>>25930935
the troll fully reveals himself

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>>25931032
>confusing facts with your personal values

I seriously hope you don't do this.

>>25931122

a) psychology is totally quantifiable, you just have to ask the patients and value human judgment. it's the quantifiableness that we know SSRIs are bullshit and that SNRIs work

How happy are you on a 1 to 5 scale? etc


b) your insurance pays for it, I give my psych 20 bucks out of pocket a visit and he's totally worth it, made me come to an understanding of myself i could never have reached on my own

>>25931171
Thanks for proving me right, peasant.

>>25931058
I'm around the 40%-50% mark, but I'm not a full blown psychopath, although I don't mind doing whatever I have to if it benefits me

My gf has Dissociative Identity Disoder. Its really rough

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I believe I am the definition of histrionic.

>>25931180
>it's the quantifiableness that we know SSRIs are bullshit
Then why do they keep prescribing them?

>>25931200
What's it like living with someone with DID?

>>25931088
>Tell me why those who murder people for Yahweh and Allah aren't "schizophrenic"? Tell me why people who murder for green pieces of paper aren't "schizophrenic"?
being under the influence of unbalanced hormones and seeing visions is different than believing in something because of knowledge and experience you have with your healthy mind

>>25931178
It IS pseudoscience. Whether it has a placebo effect on weak willed morons is debatable.

>>25931058
>>25931189
Where are you getting percentiles from?

>>25931207

>tfw HPD gf who is always depressed because she wants to fuck everything but doesn't

>>25931003
>ad hominem
You're actually right in a weird way. "Mental illness" is more common among the more priveleged, "educated", classes, because they have the time and the money to be lazy and make excuses for their lack of accomplishments.

>>25931200
>tfw I probably know who they are

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>>25931240
>he thinks just stating his values as facts over and over makes it true

sorry guy but you are retarded

>>25931180
That's not what quantifiable means. Feelings, by definition, are not quantifiable. They are inherently subjective. '10 inches' is quantifiable, 'I feel better' is not. You are a fraud.

>>25931219

honestly because psychiatrists are faggots tbH

>>25931241
vague dark triad psych tests from edu websites

>>25931240
>2016
>still refusing help

>>25931126
Why is my argument dumb? Tell me.

Calling people stupid doesn't win you arguments, even on 4chan.

>>25931280

you're just wrong i don't know how to argue with you

anything that can be put into numbers is quantifiable, that's the definition of it

you're just autistic (in the 4chan sense, not to insult non retarded people with actual autism)

>>25931180
>How happy are you on a 1 to 5 scale? etc

You can't be this stupid. That's just throwing numbers around. It's completely unscientific.

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>>25931304
>anything that can be put into numbers is quantifiable, that's the definition of it

>>25931306
What science field are you in? Chemistry perhaps? Maybe you're a med student?
go on i'll give you a second to make something up

>>25931181
mommy is gonna get her big boy the best care...he has a very bad case of megalomania.

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>>25927417
>PPD

>>25931200
godammit "chad"

ORIGINAL

>>25931189
>40%-50%

oh yeah. you sure it's not 55%? 32% I mean as long as we're making up numbers.

>>25931219
um big pharma made like 80 billion last year. you do the math.

>>25931238
>"normal" delusions are healthy
>"abnormal" delusions are not
just proving my point, no need to go on

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Guaranteed all the people saying psychology is not quantifiable are neckbeard INTJs. The irony being their own behaviour is explained with psychology.

>>25931353
http://personality-testing.info/tests/SD3/1.php

here, get yourself a number boy-o

>>25931241
his ass
oc

>>25931353
no made up numbers my friend
reee this is original fucking robot

>>25931304
Quantifiable is a means of denoting a quantity.. Just randomly assining numbers to subjective things doesn't somehow make them objective and thus quantifiable.

Again, you are a fraud.

>>25931304

No, you're wrong. And what you're saying is dangerous. What you are doing is an attempt to redefine science. Science, redefined, is no longer the empirical analysis of the natural world; instead, it is any topic that sprinkles a few numbers around. This is dangerous because, under such a loose definition, anything can qualify as science. And when anything qualifies as science, science can no longer claim to have a unique grasp on secular truth.

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>>25931464

Oh i see the problem, your definition of quantifiable is flawed.

here's the definition, I'm sure your retraction and apology is soon to follow because you're a well-adjusted person who has logical critiques of psychology as a science

>>25931323
Except feeling can't be put into numbers. How retarded are you people?

>>25931490
>your thoughts aren't "scientific"
>gives the most vague and subjective definitino of science possible

I laugh every time someone says they're diagnosed with ASPD.
>fuck up enough to get diagnosed
>literally no benefit to being diagnosed
>people who know will just think you're manipulate asshole at best
Getting diagnosed is basically losing the game.

>>25931501
Seriously. Are you fucking retarded? Measure 'happy' for me. You're just throwing numbers around. it's ridiculous. It's as scientific as saying a girl is a perfect 10.

>>25931403
why the disbelief?
this comment too original for r9k

>>25931508

Here's one

if you're more unhappy than happy, give yourself a 1

If you feel neutral or not more happy than unhappy or visa-versa, give yourself a 2

if you feel more happy than unhappy, give yourself a 3

This is how you quantify psychology. Don't make me electroshock you until you give me a number anon-kun ;3

>>25931540
>literally no benefit to being diagnosed

Objectively, no, but it gives the weak an excuse. Some like to "lose the game".

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>>25931253
HPD is really about attention seeking dramaticness and flirting with everyone.

I don't know how I ended up being a male with it.

>>25931573
What's a benefit of getting diagnosed?

>>25931570
That's not science. And it's not medicine either. It's a parlor game.

>>25931561
The physical female form is objectively more quantifiable than "mental health".

>>25931540
You can cause massive butthurt on /r9k/ by merely existing though.

>>25931592
That way you can externalize blame for your problems. You're now 'sick', and it's beyond your control.

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>>25931528

>your thoughts aren't worth studying
>the only thing that allows you to perceive the world aren't worth studying
>would never argue that programming 4chan is science
>can't even start to believe that studying thought processes is scientific

excuse me but i'm going to stop banging my head against a brickwall to try to make you not be autistic

>>25931228
>>25931256
Living with someone with DID is really tough. It takes a lot of patience and understanding to really get comfortable with it.
My gf has 5 alters, im only dating one of them. The other one are a really shy girl, a mother-like person, a 6 year old little girl, and one that was created on my account; a very confident male who was created to protect her from me. The alter im with is many years older than her biological age, with schizophrenia and she also has sociopathic tendencies. The host alter is the shy girl which is the host, but the one that im with took over when our relationship became sexual.

At this point, when they switch between eachother its very easy for me to tell with their different resting faces and different types of talking and speech patterns. Is there anything else youd like to know?

Oh and to the other anon, what state do you live in?

>>25931606
Agreed. 'more'

totally oc

>>25931607
Why would you need to get diagnosed to do that? Just lie about it.
-t officially diagnosed with ASPD ;^)

>>25931626
Holy shit, that's insane. Why stay?

>>25931614
You can study things without it being science.
Is history science?

tfw i come into this thread to shitpost
it's one big shipost
it's a ruse

>>25931626
>My gf has 5 alters, im only dating one of them.

How fucking stupid are you kids. Do you believe in voodoo too?

>>25931592
What I wrote, fuckwit. It's not beneficial in the long run, but it gives people a crutch and an excuse for their weakness and failures.

You and I wouldn't like to be involuntarily diagnosed, but there are plenty of weak people who would like to be.

>>25931626
How long have you been dating?

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>>25931611

it's not about externalizing blame

Externalizing your problems is a goal in Narrative Therapy. People identify themselves by their problems. For instance, "I am a NEET loser and thus will never get laid because I AM r9k"

with therapy, that can be adjusted to "I browse r9k which I find comfort in because talking about depressive things is enjoyable to me; however, I should look for outside interests and not take things too seriously on there. I don't have a job right now, but i have the power to change that. I don't have a girlfriend, but that doesn't make me a worthless loser."

>>25931649
>missing the point this bad

history isn't the result of neurons firing in your fucking skull in response to your environment

haven't been to a therapist since I was like 12 and I'm 21. I think I might be bipolar, I can go from an alright mood to pissed off in two seconds and sometimes I go into a deep mindset about hurting myself and planing to kill myself, actually tried twice.

>>25931656
Yup. I'm glad I'm no the only non-retarded person here.

>>25931656
ASPD isn't necessarily a cause of failure. There are plenty of successful people with it, and if someone with it isn't an aggressive retard they can go through life fine.

>>25931663
Dumping more bullshit on top of your previous bullshit, isn't proving anything. It's tautological.

And sorry, after you're failure to grasp that feelings aren't quantifiable, I don't think you're very bright.

>>25931690
>history isn't the result of neurons firing in your fucking skull in response to your environment
Since when has psychology ever actually studied neuron firing in a rigorous way?
Asking people how happy they are on 1-5 scale doesn't count.
>inb4 muh neurotransmitters

P.S.
History is the result of many neurons firing in many skulls in response to their environments :^)

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>>25931631
We should get an ASPD circle jerk going to counteract all the hostility.

What's the worst thing you guys have done?

>>25931693

sounds like bipolar rapid cycling, sry bud it's a hard hand to be dealt

>>25931614
Of course your thoughts are worth studying, no one knows you better than yourself.

But the point is that many "mentally ill" people neglect a third factor, being their own lack of initiative, courage, and drive, or the expectations and judgments of those around them.

No one can decide you are mentally "ill" except for yourself.

>>25931723
>And sorry, after you're failure to grasp that feelings aren't quantifiable, I don't think you're very bright.

It's like talking to people in a cult.

Severe depression. And social anxiety disorder. Probably other shit to. The funny part is no one knows or suspects i have these problems since im the person my friends go to for advice. They assume i have it all figured out.

>>25931730
this guy was talking shit about me behind my back, so I made him look like a creepy pedophile in front of his entire homeroom. Not the worst, but it's what comes to mind quickly

>>25931733
>>25931733
stop pretending to be a doctor. you're not. in fact, so far in this thread, you've proven yourself to be pretty dim.

>>25931626
god tier trolling
you win a medal
now shut up

>>25931749
Yeah, there's definitely that vibe to it. Psychology doesn't hold up to the scientific method. it's belief.

>>25931749

nigger i'm in mensa, but like your definition of quantifiable, that's nonsense too, and 70 iq people that love to loot are just as smart as me as the WAIS is invalid

>99.9th percentile in abstract intelligence too, but according to you that means nothing and your more than likely mediocre scores in the same subject would mean nothing because it's not water in milliliters

do you know what it's like to be in the top2%ile IQ trying to talk to you? it's wicked frustrating

say your IQ is 100, it's like most of the world had a 70IQ, imagine what that shit is like, imagine how frustrating you are

>>25931690
The way you perceive history absolutely is determined by genetics and upbringing. You can tell a tremendous amount about a person by his or her political and historical opinions.

>>25931757
>Severe depression.

Oh SEVERE. A severe case of a fake disease. baka. You've really upped the ante anon.

>>25931376
religious people doesnt have to see illusions to be religious. thats their choice of belief with their healty intellect

>be a guy
>every morning I spend an hour and a half or more styling my hair and filling in my eyebrows over and over again
>eyebrows are lightly colored compared to hair and I keep thinking if I don't darken them it ruins my face and makes it look completely different
>if I don't fill them in, people can't really tell the difference or don't notice whether I fill them in or not
>comb my hair over 100 times a day, always ends up looking the same
>often skip social events/school if I think my hair/eyebrows look bad

This can't be normal. Is it a disorder?

I don't even know how this started either. It just kinda started happening when I began middle school and I still do it to this day like 8 years later.

>>25931799
I have an 80% on a math test

you have a 50%

ME
>I know more about math than you, I took this test and I scored 80%
YOU
>that doesn't mean anything you egg :^)

>>25931800
>nigger i'm in mensa
Not surprised if you fell for one cult you'd probably fall for another.
>I need to join a masturbatory organization to validate my intellect

>>25931800
>nigger i'm in mensa

bwhahah. Mensa is the biggest circle jerk of egomaniac losers on the planet.

You're dumb ass thought feelings are quantifiable.

But you're sooooooo smart anon.

>>25931842
>implying you wouldn't want the card that says you're smart

it's gotten me laid before, once, but still
(only because another girl in my psych program was really interested in joining)

>>25931827
Body dysmorphia m8.

>filling in eyebrows as a guy
wtf
dont do that. even if you think it looks good dont because you prob end up looking like mario brothers or some shit

>>25931827
Nigga every teenage girl in the world does this shit.

>>25931693
My mommy made me see a therapist from age 5 to age 16, and again for a few months at age 20 when I'd been out of college for 6 months.

I've often lost control of my emotions and snapped too, and I've fantasized about killing myself since I was 9, and tried several times (in a way that didn't attract attention) for the past year. There is absolutely nothing abnormal about this for a strong, yet alienated male.

I can't stop you from believing you're weak, but you're not.

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Well this devolved fast. I'm out.

>neckbeard the thread

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>>25926089
Why is schizoid so popular on here? Am I really meant to believe that everyone's problems here are self-imposed?

>>25931867
I really am a lot smarter than you, and yes Mensa is gay as fuck and no I don't hang out with anyone from it.

>Mensa is the biggest circle jerk of egomaniac losers on the planet
you're on r9k

>>25931835
You're legitimately stupid. Again, a score on a math test is quantifiable. It's not belief.

>>25927992

No reasonable adult has any of these views.

I am guessign you are between the ages of 15 - 18. In which case you are a naive child.

>>25931893
but i'm a dude
and i'm not even sure if something's wrong with my face i just compulsively do it because i think it looks bad and cant leave the house because i think it makes me look babyfaced and retarded but other people dont seem to really notice or think so

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>>25931917
>I really am a lot smarter than you

>>25931905

It's shitty that so many therapists mummy will sign people up with are terrible and unhelpful, because mummy will find someone like her with the same goals for you.

Mass psychoeducation and the ability for people to select the type of therapy they want (psychodynamic/jungian/DBT) is necessary but impossible.

>>25931933
>No reasonable adult
All reasonable adults have this view. It's just not worth saying to your face unless you're a loved one. The rest of you can pay quacks to listen to your problems, and pop all the pills in the world for all I care.

>>25931927
it really isn't. Tests reflect knowledge.
If i score 10/100 on a math test, and someone else scores 100/100, then it's obvious that they know more than me.

>>25931944
Cut that shit out and act like a man. That's really all there is to it.

>>25931982
If you're an adult, and have money, you can get whatever flavor of bullshit you heart desires.

>>25932028

it sounds like to me that you feel like therapy is a psuedoscience filled with nonsense just like new age crystals or something and that nothing will change your mind

i'll stop trying then

>>25931991
That's what I'm saying. I said psychology doesn't stand up to the scientific method, and is thus belief. He compared that to a math test, because he is a dumb ass.

>>25932065
I don't feel psychology is pseudoscience. Psychology IS pseudoscience.

>>25932084

whatever you say, you don't seem to be in a place to reassess your belief

>>25932126
It's not an belief. Psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability.

Sorry, but it's not a science.

>>25931989

You seem angry that some people find comfort in the thought that they are finding help for their disorders.

The symptoms of personality disorders can occur and probably do occur in every human being. It is only a problem or diagnosed as a disorder if it causes problems in the quality of ones life.

Everyone has some symptoms, some have more than others that causes problems. It makes perfect sense from a scientific perspective.

Not my fault you're too narrow minded to delve any deeper. Maybe your parents had something and now you resent the field, maybe it effected you to a close degree.

Who knows, I hope you get some help though.

>>25931827
I kind of know that feel, if my hair isn't a certain way I will think I look hideous and obsess over it. I will sometimes check my appearance 3 or 4 times an hour because I want to make sure I don't look ugly. I also hate my eyebrows (they actually are a unibrow that I have to trim off). Honestly I think I just focus on tiny details on my face that most people won't notice and let it bother me. I need to learn to tell myself it isn't as important as I think it is.

>>25932157

sorry, you're absolutely factually wrong and could probably use a therapist to be quite honest because i guarantee your life is filled with nonsense where you are wrong but stubbornly assert your will that it is correct, thus isolating you from the people around you

Im a mildly autistic narcissist, with little to no empathy for anyone and im extremely selfish

Btw, i kek'ed at all of the depressed fags up there, sucks to have no one loving you

>>25932157

quantum physics lacks a few of those, mainly predictability and testability.

Does that make quantum physics a pseudoscience?

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The more I find out about different disorders, the more of them apply to me.
I have depression, AVPD and now some parts of schizotypal kinda describe me

>>25932157

Psychology is an incredibly young field when it comes to science. Only within the past few DECADES has there been any kind of meaningful jumps.

It's an evolving field at the current moment, and an interesting one at that. Imagine being able to understand the human brain down to a science. It would change everything.

>>25932166
>their disorders.
They don't have disorders.

>symptons

There are no physical symptoms. It's all subjective.

>narrow minded

Not believing a rhetorical angle isn't narrow minded. Accurately what is happening, is I don't share your faith.

The psychology/pharmaceutical industries in this country are despicable. They're selling snake oil to vulnerable people. They deserve to be called out.

psychology today find a therapist, i'd suggest finding someone who seems the most like you
>>25932241

>>25932214
I'm absolutely not factually wrong. What I wrote is 100% accurate.

How many times in this thread am I going to need to correct you?

>>25932218
Quantum physics is a theory.

>>25932263

It's not snake oil. It actually has on the body.

A disorder is defined as ANY kind of behavior that causes distress in someones life. You can't say that someone who has the compulisive need to wash their hands 40 times, and has anxiety attacks if they don't, doesn't have a disorder, they do.

You can tell them to suck it up, and in fact, that's a treatment for OCD, to make them face their fear and realize their compulsions are unnecessary. If it's causing distress to someone, it's a disorder, you don't just get to nullify that because that's what you want to believe in your fairy-tale world.

You failed to mention the other part of my post. Were your parent's diagnosed, or a close family member? Maybe even yourself? You obviously have a personal connection to the issue.

>>25931715
Again, you're completely missing my point.

PDs are highly subjective, and diagnosed either by the people who "have" them, or by psychiatrists, teachers, and parents (nearly always mothers) who feel somehow threatened by the individual's behavior.

>>25932263
(cont.)
someone who has jungian in the description, my guy unironically says Chads now it's great

imagine being able to talk to a 50 year old about chads and stacies in a meaningful way that actually helps you

>>25932306

So is gravity.

>>25932253

When, or if, they can actually understand the human brain down to a science, I'll be all ears. I'm no holding my breath though.

>>25932284
might as well go find a numerologist. same bullshit.

>>25932322

Ahh, so you have a problem with your mother. Or someone else's mother.

Your personal connection to the issue is obvious

>>25932324

This is my goodbye

https://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/
>advanced search jungian
>if you're a dude find a dude
>check via whatever insurance you have

i really wish the people who think it is snake oil could get a therapist that actually would help them have a more meaningful life

>>25932339

So because it's doubtful, we shouldn't pursue it? Or continue to try?

We should just stop because it's incredibly hard or complicated?

Typical lazy robot I suppose.

>inb4 "I never said that"

>>25932328
So is time

>>25932316
Again, it's nonsense. Psychologists have never actually diagnosed or cured anyone of anything.
Tumors are real. OCD is a made-up theory with no physical manifestations. It's all behavioral.

>>25926089
Was diagnosed with things, took medication for them for a long time, went to a therapist, but I did all that as a kid so I don't know anything about it. So currently I haven't been professionally diagnosed as anything but to me it's pretty obvious I'm AVPD.

>>25932322
PD's are diagnosed because people have them.
How retarded can you be?

>>25932362
I really wish the people who don't believe in Christianity would go talk to a priest.

You're a fucking shill.

>>25932396

>No physical manifestations

You're literally trolling now.

> Psychologists have never actually diagnosed or cured anyone of anything.

You speak for the entire human race? Every single person? Or are you just taking the stuff you hear on 4chan?

I'm out, touche on the trolling though, you had me until now. Either that, or your really are retarded.

And your personal attachment to the issue? The close family member? Nothing? Continue to ignore?

>>25931982
No, you're missing my point.

I reject the entire concept of psychotherapy and mental illness.

I actually respected some of my therapists as my intellectual equals, and considered them more intelligent than my parents. The issue is that they're manipulating weak, over-educated white women into trying to turn their sons into faggots.

>>25932420
Not that anon, but the 'diagnosis' is a subjective opinion. 'You have a broken leg' is an actual diagnosis. And you shouldn't be calling anyone retarded when you're dead wrong.

>>25932450
obvious mommy issues are obvious

>>25932432
>>No physical manifestations
Please name me one PHYSICAL manifestation of OCD. Not behavioral, but physical.

You can't.

>>25932166
>It is only a problem or diagnosed as a disorder if it causes problems in the quality of ones life.

Define "problems". Also, who initially defines "problems"?

>you disagree with me
>you're mentally ill and i hope you get help
really helping your cause there

>>25932494
Exactly. Why do so many people want so badly to believe in all of this bullshit? It's ridiculous.

>>25932218
The difference is quantum physicists don't go around judging and druggin everyone that they "diagnose".

Psychiatry is the most abusable "science".

>>25932525
Yep. And believe you me academia and the psychology and pharmaceutical industries are well aware of this.

>>25932494

The person who is having the problems defines the problem. Only a person suffering a disorder can seek help, they determine whether or not it's having an affect on their quality of life.

I'm not saying you're mentally ill because you disagree, nor did I even say you were mentally ill, I was just saying I hope you get help. You seem to be a really cold person and it's unfortunate people would have to be around a person like that.

>>25932316
>You can't say that someone who has the compulisive need to wash their hands 40 times, and has anxiety attacks if they don't, doesn't have a disorder

And you can decide they have one? Who the fuck are you?

You're right, they should just suck it up. OCD only became pervasive when kikes and cunts started "diagnosing" it.

Stop being a passive-aggressive cunt and trying to personally attack people you don't agree with.

>>25932485

An fMRI of the brain of a person with OCD is a significantly different from that of a normal healthy person.

Think before you speak.

>>25932360
You think you've figured me out?
Does it make me objectively wrong?
Psychiatrists are some of the most mentally fucked up people in the world too, they just deal with it differently.

>>25932570
>Only a person suffering a disorder can seek help, they determine whether or not it's having an affect on their quality of life.

Some people believe in astrology and think it helps them. Some people believe in Scientology. Some believe in Santeria, numerology, voodoo etc. etc.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE THEM VALID.

>>25932597
Complete and utter pseudo-scientific rubbish. Has been discounted numerous times.

>>25932589

If the person went out and seeked help for something that they were having problems with, for that person, it is a disorder. Maybe for antoher person with the same exact symptoms, it wouldn't cause a change in their quality of life, it wouldn't be a disorder than.

I am assuming the metaphorical person in question is getting help for the problems they are facing, in which case it could be diagnosed as a disorder.

>kikes
>cunts

edgelord

>>25932420
If I were more naive I'd believe you were trolling, but unfortunately I'm not.

>>25932653
>If the person went out and seeked help for something that they were having problems with, for that person, it is a disorder. Maybe for antoher person with the same exact symptoms, it wouldn't cause a change in their quality of life, it wouldn't be a disorder than.

So a disorder is now a self-diagnosed feeling? Brilliant.

>>25932464
>personal attachment to the issue makes me "wrong"

keep going

>>25932652

Now you're just spouting shit.

It hasn't. You're wrong.

>>25932688

It is an effect on a persons quality of life. It is totally subjective, as you have said. That doesn't mean that a therapist cannot help.

>>25932550
Yeah, that's the worst part. The only other people who understand it as well as we do are the people who are abusing it and benefitting from it.

>>25932689

No but it definitely means you have a bias. Which discounts your credibility

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>>25932706
You mean this kind of shit? Yeah, it's not real. It's quackery.

>>25932724
Again. I might feel my numerologist is helping me.

THAT DOESN'T"T MAKE IT VALID SCIENCE OR MEDICINE.

>>25932688

No, only a doctor can make a diagnosis. If it has a visible effect on the quality of ones life and one needs to seek help, than they are in the right state to be diagnosed with a disorder, because whatever it is is affecting them negatively.

I'm done though, you obviously have no intelligible recourse as the only things you have said are directly stating I'm wrong with no visible attempt to make any kind of recourse.

Enjoy being miserable. It seems whatever therapist mommy made you go to was a poor one. Don't worry though, we may find hope for you yet. I feel so bad for you.

>>25932570
>the person who is having the problems defines the problem. only a person suffering a disorder can seek help
No cunt, the real world doesn't work like that, especially for minors and men.

>you seem to be a really cold person and it's unfortunate people would have to be around a person like that
Throw the most passive-aggressive personal insult at me to try to legitimize your criticisms. Sure.

>>25932766

You saying "its rubbish" doesn't make it so

>>25932589

>Stop being a passive-aggressive cunt and trying to personally attack people you don't agree with.


Awwwww, are you upset? Did I hit a nerve?

What a fucking pansy.

>>25932806

You need to be done. You seemingly earnestly wrote this sentence:

>If the person went out and seeked help for something that they were having problems with, for that person, it is a disorder. Maybe for antoher person with the same exact symptoms, it wouldn't cause a change in their quality of life, it wouldn't be a disorder than.

>>25932821

>minors and men.

khv confirmed. How much do you hate womenz?

>>25932597
Yes, but what causes "OCD" in the first place?

Is it something unpreventable and out of the blue, or is it a result of the individual's upringing and mindset?

This is the problem with psychiatry; they fail to blame the individual, because if they did the paychecks would dry up very quickly. The people who need to be told how weak they are wouldn't receive it well.

>>25932878

It's true. Disorder was probably the incorrect word. But the same exact symptoms could manifest in two different people and cause a day to day disturbance in one, and not the other.

>>25932828
It is nothing but unproven theories. FACT.

>>25932892

That's not even true. That's the reason so many meds are prescribed, because doctors realize that it IS with the individual, it's something they can't control.

>>25932653
>the person went out and seeked help for something that they were having problems with, for that person, it is a disorder

literally admitting it's subjective

also sought you silly millenial.

>>25932892
It's not even real.His MRI contention, is just a theory. None of that has been proven.

And yeah, there's no $ in telling someone to get their shit together.

>>25929284
>>25928098
>>25928187

lol samefagging

>>25932922

It is subjective, but that doesn't mean that what that person is feeling and experiencing isn't real. Whether or not they need to "suck it up" or need some help with medication, a therapist can help with both.

>>25932745
>you're free of bias and i'm not

It's not even about you, it's about me trying to protect people stupider than you are from your corrupting, degenerate influence.

>>25932901
Again, there are no physical symptoms. It's all just feelings.

>>25926089

GAD (general anxiety disorder), mild Aspergers

>>25932974

I'm not even a psychologist. I'm some god damn rando on the internet who disagrees with you.

I'm flattered that you think I have influence though. Thanks.

>>25932806
>people are always diagnosed volunatarily
>doctors are above the rest of us and are always right and "good"

>>25928035

What exactly defines "Avoidant"?

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Who else here /BPD/?

>>25932983

Feelings are caused by physical changes in the body. They are caused by electrical impulses in the brain, are you denying that electricity is physical?

At the lowest level, everything you say think and do is physical.

Are you an idiot?

>>25932973
It means it's a feeling. No one has ever contended that.

And who says a therapist can help you any more than going out for a jog could?

>>25932848
you sound angrier than he did

>>25932652
>>25932688
>>25932806
>>25932848
>>25932892
>>25932958

more of the same samefag. obvious narcissist who thinks he's too good to listen to empirical data. has a long history of emotionally manipulating women. thinks he's in good company on 4chan but doesn't realize that he sticks out like a sore thumb

>>25933027

A jog and exercise may be the solution, in fact, many therapists will tell you to do just that.

>>25932916
You're completely twisting my point around like a typical troublemaker.

It is within the individual's control most of the time, that's what I was saying.

Many people are convinced they need drugs, instead of facing their problems with their own personal strength.

>>25933027
>>25932983
>>25932973
>>25932974

more of the same guy. age approximately 28-33. white. probably american. upper middle class. midwestarn accent. /pol/tard.

>>25933070

No twisting, just a misunderstanding.

For some people, drugs may be the only way. Many people see drugs as a last resort, and if it helps them, why not?

>>25933070

he still thinks he knows what he's fucking talking about lol

>>25933022
No one knows exactly what causes individual feelings. Brain activity, sure. But beyond that? No one knows. There are studies/theories but nothing definitive. That's why even the medication is a guessing game. But you knew that, idiot.

>>25932958
Oh, it's real alright, as far as the objective symptoms are concerned. I had "OCD" from 9-11, but it was only later that I realized that the "diagnosis" had helped solidify and legitimize it, and that it was only a reaction to deeper issues at the time that were out of my control.

>>25932973
The difference is you aren't paying someone to suck it up.

>>25933118

dude just shut the fuck up already you clearly know absolutely fuckall about the state of neuroscience and nothing about MRIs

>>25933091
Wrong. But you seem to need to discredit the individual because you don't like what they're saying. A common silencing technique. It makes you look insecure in your beliefs (yes beliefs). And well, you should be.

>>25932995
Being a follower does give you influence.

No "bad" people in any place at any time have accomplished anything themselves, they're all dependent on followers.

>>25933135

I mean I'm a neuroscientist and you're wrong but by all means keep jerking yourself off

>>25933122
bwhahahaha.....you don't even get anything beyond that.

>>25933135

I agree, but some people may not have it in them to suck it up on their own.

A therapist who makes you reliant on them is a shitty therapist. Their job should be to get you to a healthy lifestyle as soon as possible.

Maybe they can help a person re-think what's going on in their heads and talk it through with them. If people are willing to pay for help, then there's no reason they shouldn't be allowed to do it.

>>25933022
Yes, but individuals have a great degree of personal control over their feelings. This is what psychiatry suppresses.

We aren't as weak as they tell us we are.

>>25933149
mmmhmm. Got any more theories/studies you want to share? How close are we to the cure for OCD. kek.

>>25933158

classic narc topic change. I'm not talking to you, you stupid little bitch, I'm talking to everyone else in this thread who's watching you. You're the spectacle.

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>>25933041
hmmmm....

ORIGINAL GODAMMIT

>>25933184

I can agree with you there.

Psychiatry, yes, maybe. Therapy in general though, specifically CBT, is actually trained to HELP you with your feelings, to actually take back control and give you that power.

I agree that meds and drugs probably inhibit this ability.

>>25933164
beahahahaha....you kids are hilarious. It's telling how far you will go to be considered 'ill'. Does it keep mommy from making you get a job?

>>25933189

it's obvious from what you've said that you don't know how MRIs work

>>25933052
The difference is that you're paying someone to tell you, instead of being a fucking man and doing it yourself.

>>25933192

You know the first person to accuse a person of being a narcissist?

A narcissist.

>>25933052
Try Vitamin D. That will be $100. Thank you come again.

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>>25933091
>hmmmm

also the third guy was disagreeing with the rest of us

>>25933228

>being a fucking man

Do people really still say this?

>>25933189
>Got any more theories/studies you want to share?

Half of them are funded by the pharmaceutical industry. It's all smoke and mirrors.They literally invent the disorder and then sell you the cure.

>>25933107
At that point, all drugs should be legal.

>>25933234

What therapist did you go to that you had to pay $100?

You got ripped off, idiot.

>>25933041

You got two of mine in there. I'm probably a narcissist though.

>>25933220
I absolutely do. A lot of doctors consider what you're referencing to be the new phrenology btw. Again, completely unproven

>>25933164
Yeah, and I'm the top sniper in the entire US Armed Forces.

original

>>25933216

You need to be a legal adult in most cases to be diagnosed with a personality disorder. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about

OCD is not a personality disorder. It is a psychiatric disorder. There is no "pill" for a personality disorder. OCD is essentially caused by serotonin dysregulation. We know this is the case because SSRI & NSRI medications will make depression symptoms better, but make OCD symptoms worse.

>>25933176
>some people may not have it in them to suck it up on their own

Because society and the media have taught people to be nihilistic and fear their minds and bodies.

Again, it's all subjective. "Mental illness" is more common in some cultures than others.

>>25933309
Are you the neuroscientist? kek.

Again dumping more psychology on top of your argument, when it is the practice of psychology we are questioning, is a tautological argument.

>>25933231

false, most narcs avoid describing other people in these terms because it draws attention to behaviors that they want everyone to keep pretending they don't have in order to maintain their positive self-delusions.

got a.d.d. depsression and anxiety bros...

feels bad that i'll never be a normie.....

>>25933351

Not even true. The best way to know if someone is a narcissist is to just ask them.

A narcissist has no problem telling you they're a narcissist.

>>25933344

Nothing I mentioned has anything to do with psychology. It's all replicable empirical results. The fact that you can't tell the difference between those vocabularies is kind of... retarded.

>>25933309
You think there's not a slippery slope that can start well before the age of 18?

Also
>OCD is essentially caused by serotonin dysregulation. we know this is the case because SSRI & NSRI medications will make depression symptoms better, but make OCD symptoms worse
Again, it's not that simple. You're ignoring the personal mindsets and choices that can help cause "OCD" and "depression".

>>25931660
>>25931775
>Not trolling...
Weve been dating for almost three years. I stay because we really like eachother. Also ive learned a lot about her disorder and ive gotten used to it.
She has lots of suicidal episodes and things that I help her through, and she helps me through my problems. Its very very tough though, and takes a lot of work to keep us from not arguing all the damn time. Its emotionally draining and sort abusive to both parties. I feel like im traumatizing her and im being traumatized as well but were so attatched to eachother we cant stop.
Also were both heroin addicts so thats definitely a huge thing that keeps us together.
Typing this out is really crazy... I guess you dont really see how fucked things are till theyre all laid out in front of you.

>>25933388

You have no idea what a clinical diagnosis of NPD means, if you think you're talking about people with NPD

>>25933388
That's like saying someone who tells you he's a sociopath is really a sociopath.

Although I don't believe in either "narcissism" or "sociopathy".

>>25933414

>slippery slope

No. There isn't. Personality disorders are very rarely diagnosed.

You literally don't know what the words I am saying mean.