Depression is a disease of will. Either actively try and better

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Neither life or death appeals to me

>>25871918
Bettering your life is a disease of stupidity. Either kill yourself now or kill yourself later. It doesn't matter, you'll die and have not mattered anyway no matter how you lived your life.

>>25871975
Your nihilistic behaviour is toxic, the idleness of the mind is a silent rogue of destruction. Either improve your habits so you can outgrow this phase or kill yourself.
Same goes for >>25872001

>>25872016
Just because the infinity of things intimidates you doesn't mean you are destined for nothingness. By that logic, just lay here and type away, don't get up and eat, it won't matter. Just literally rot in your chair.

>>25871918

yet youre still here faggot.

I'm surprised to find such a post in this shithole.

It's true, people with severe depression only have 2 option.

Find a way out or kill yourself

Escapism is the worst thing, it'll only worsen your situation, once you come back to reality you'll suffer even more. It prolongs your suffering and makes your life worse in the long run

Kill yourself or keep going, there's no time for hesitation. If you're not gonna kill yourself then get up right now or else you're really gonna fuck up your life for good

>>25872016
>implying you can improve ugliness

If I was goodlooking then girls would be attracted to me and my social status would increase, therefore more men would want to hang out with me. I have no underlying mental issues. The only reason I'm here is that I was unfortunate to be born with unattractive genetics

Will is a tool of the brain, and the brain is an organ like any other, subject to imbalance and deficiency.

How come I have to actively try while it just comes as a byproduct for everyone else?

No.

>>25872054
I wonder what that says about me. Still, my statement still stands.
>>25872056
Agreed. Tough love is necessary.
>>25872079
This is tough, because humans are social creatures. I have never had any intimate relationships with anyone. I don't consider myself unattractive, although I do have a large nose. I don't care what people think of me. It is upsetting to be alone, but the depression that is associated with prolonged isolation is something that you can outgrow if you truly will it. These times, it is cool to be depressed and sad. It isn't. It's pathetic. Seems like everyone wants a defining trait, something to make people feel bad for them.
>>25872122
This can be said about Alzheimer's disease, but not feeling down in the dumps.
>>25872148
Please elaborate.

>>25872016
>Your nihilistic behaviour is toxic
then you should avoid this place where it congregates

>>25872122
Yes but only when you exhaust all imepdiments like addictions (drugs, video games, pornography), or lack of stimulation (loneliness, lack of education), or the nutrition or exercise, then you can safely conclude that there is inherent deficiency and imbalance which requires medication.

How common is lack of above things, and how common is true idiopathic disorder which requires medication.

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>>25872056
tghifdis

>>25872079


Used to be like you when i was in college, with crippling social anxiety too. Eventually,stuff happenned, i didn't care much about looks nor females, i only cared about making the best out of my life and becoming great.

Girls started getting attracted to me, i still didn't care tho. You're putting women on pedestal.Stop that. And please, no matter what, don't fap to femdom or cuck porn, people won't tell you but it's toxic as fuck for your mind.Its your life anyway,do as you please

Unless you are extremely ugly, your face shouldn't be a problem

It is noteworthy that some people (keep in mind these people are not as superfluous as teenagers or whatever that claim they have these symptoms) actually suffer from 'depression'; for example, soldiers who have been exposed to death and violence for a prolonged period of time may find it difficult to return to normal society, and because of this, they may feel alone, which has its own associated grief. This is accelerated by everything else they've seen, but if they were to take the necessary steps to avoid that period of their lives, to will themselves as much as humanely possible, then they, too, can live their lives normally. Either that, or they should kill themselves.

>>25872328
This anon has the right idea. There is salvation for everyone, and it is foolish to believe that it is one certain thing.
This is a fundamental fact of life. There will come a time where you come across something that you want to happen so bad. You can want that one girl to change her thoughts and come to you, arms open. You can wish for it to happen, you can wish God or whatever to make her magically appear in your embrace, but it won't happen. No matter how hard you try, some things like this will not happen. And no matter how hard you want to believe that it will be the thing that brings to the highest level of happiness, it isn't.

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>the normy thinks people choose to be like this

here is ongoing scientific research into depression
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21485745

the physiological nature of depression could have been concluded by the overwhelming amount of subjective evidence and has now been backed up by objective scientific evidence

disagree? feel free to write a paper and submit it to peer review

>>25872328
femdom is hot and my gf likes doing it so i think you can fuck right off buddy. Sitting there telling people what to fap to..who the fuck do you think you are?

>>25872416
So if you are sad (don't get all defensive and say it's so much more than being sad and spew some spoken word shit about how depression is literally the worst thing ever), it is beyond your body's abilities to improve your lifestyle? You cannot change your habits, or at least try to remove yourself/examine the cause of the toxic environment that shaped the sadness?
Pretty pathetic, in my opinion. The second option I stated originally is for people like you. Please kill yourself if you have exhausted every other option.

>>25872464
Your girlfriend is not your girlfriend. You are not a man, either. You are infected. Either fix your habits or kill yourself.

>>25872486
>you are not a man because you like what I dont like

How's it feel being a 12 year old who throws a tantrum because people are different than him?

>>25871918
but why

I'd rather live than die

>>25872464
lol idiot

this shit makes you a fucking slave to the pussy. Think about what can go wrong when you feel enslaved and unable to think rationally. Anyway,believe it is perfectly healthy if you want to,none oof my businss

>>25872515
It isn't about me and my sexual interests. It's about you. Stop trying to pin me down. I am critiquing your sexual desires because they are toxic. This gender role reversal desire is not your own doing. It is objectively toxic. You are not normal, that's the issue . It isn't about me, because I am attracted to females in a healthy manner. I don't want them to peg my asshole because I am not a sexual deviant. You are, and that's what I pointed out. But because you are hell-bent on defending your toxicity, you poke fun at me and encourage all forms of sexual diversity (people can be different! 2016 now).

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>>25872472
>toxic environment
and what about the biological causes? The ones the scientists I linked you to are looking into?

I am sure someone with herculean willpower could fake happiness all their lives, but why would they do that? They are not really happy.

>The second option I stated originally is for people like you.
I don't have depression, I am only responding because I hate normies and enjoy proving you are cunts, which you have just done. Thankyou. I will masturbate over this.

>>25872596
You are not living if you are as depressed as you, presumably, claim you are (status quo, not sure about you as an individual). Either better yourself and stop whining about the horrors of feeling sad, or kill yourself.

>>25872620
>They are not really happy.
Then they are still feeling like a Debby Downer, and should kill themselves because they didn't try hard enough, or they are a lost cause.
>I don't have depression
Sorry, I apologize if I accused you. Yes, everyone else is a normie. Enjoy sexual deviancy and the fourth grade.

>>25872646
what if i never whine and live depressed in solitude?

>>25872616
>objectivly toxic
Haha this retard thinks objectivity exist

Depression is a disease of learned helplessness. all humans are helpless. thus, every person aware of the human condition shall be depressed.

>>25872684
Let's actually entertain this, because it's a good point. Let's say there is someone who feels sad and doesn't post about it (unlikely, but probable). So you are a sad guy who lives alone and never talks about it. In the end, you will either kill yourself because it is irritating being sad every single day (this is depression, feeling sad. You can't bounce back and decide you're depressed on Sundays, because then it's just emotions. We all shift from happiness to sadness; the important part is the shift) or you live your life until you die, completely alone. The first option is much easier, because then you won't have to literally spend 50 years living when you don't enjoy it (why do you live if you are sad every day, just kill yourself. It's easier). You must also realize that you can, at any point, fix your behaviour and try to entertain yourself so you aren't always sad, gaining the shift that I was talking about.

>>25872764
Go defend your philosophy degree elsewhere. You are just insulting people now.
>>25872803
I disagree. Why do you think all humans are helpless? Is all life helpless? Or are we this way because we can entertain high degrees of thought. Why does this make us helpless? Why does acknowledging this 'helplessness' make you helpless? Couldn't you, as a person, challenge it and deem it acceptable or bogus?

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This ape is more popular than you.He will exist far longer than you will when you are dead, buried and forgotten. He will still be existing and known throughout the world. You are less popular than computer generated ape and that very ape shall exist far longer than you ever will.

>>25872865
>Why do you think all humans are helpless?
1. all people die no matter what they do.
2. success is not up to the individual (you can put in effort but never know what might come out of it, if anything)
3. luck (be it genetic or social) plays a central role in human life

Im just sad all the time and nothing makes me happy.

>>25873253
You know what you gotta do boi

>>25873138
This does not warrant idleness of the mind. If it does, for you, then kill yourself.
>>25873185
1. Okay. Does the lion stop hunting for food because it knows it will get hungry. What do you think children are. Children are, technically speaking, the closest way you can immortalize yourself.
2. That does not mean you shouldn't try. Never stop trying. Define success for yourself. That is the beauty of life.
3. I agree.
>>25873253
I'm sorry to hear that. However, I believe you can try to find that one thing. Just something to pass the time. Next thing you know, you won't have the time to be sad, unless you truly want to be in that state. If you have exhausted all options, then follow the implications of >>25873280

I still don't understand why I'm obligated to be happy

you know seeing this thread makes me feel like i'm on that shitty nihilism and depression fan pages so fucking cringy

Anyone reading Sartre?

>>25873280
Aw man
>>25873302
I hope to find that one thing too anon.
Otherwise i suppose i should look into places with nice views at a local graveyard.

>>25873302
1. doesn't really change the point that you will die. you can eat to delay death but you'll still day i.e you're helpless in that regard.
2. >the closest way you can immortalize yourself.
doesn't change the fact that you, your parents, and everyone you know will die
2. you can still try, but you have no control over the outcome, i.e you're helpless in that regard.
3. ok

1.everybody
2.kill
3.yourselves

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>>25871918
Actively trying to better myself is what causes my depression. I never get back the effort put into life.

>>25871918
hey buddy, you seem to have found your way onto /r9k/. This is actually part of an imageboard known as 4chan.

I think your post belongs in

https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/

>>25873313
If you enjoy being sad (an oxymoron), then this is abnormal. You, yourself, can alter your toxic habits to better your life, to actually enjoy it. If you have tried this and truly enjoy being sad (or have tricked yourself into believing this), then kill yourself.
>>25873434
I don't want the impression that I'm like >>25873471 to come across; I hope you find your solution.
>>25873441
Then wait for death. Nobody is arguing against the fact of death, I am arguing about death during life, which is essentially the sadness some people seem to wallow in and complain about. If you believe this, then wait for death. Don't delay the inevitable, just kill yourself if you truly believe this.
>>25873479
You are after the wrong things, if the picture is related. Find it in your own heart. Learn to draw. I suggest this. Create something and marvel upon your work. Frame it so it reminds you of your immortal success. As long as the frame stands, so will your legacy. If you don't like how it looks, try again. Soon, you will be so preoccupied that you will have forgotten to be sad.

>>25873479
>that jew on the left
oy gevalt

>>25873537
Yes, everybody else is a normie. Okay. I'm guessing you enjoy sadness. If that's the case, then kill yourself. Otherwise, why do you defend their case? Actually use words, don't just spew memes and shit.

>>25871918
>actively try and better your life
how? i lift, i eat healthy, i work, how the fuck else can i better my life?

>>25873596
This isn't up to me to decide. Fix your own life. Nobody else can do it for you.

>>25873543
they're sad because they know what's going to happen, they don't want it to happen, and they can't do anything about it - that's healthy psychology. the "happy" people are deluded people who managed to shrink their consciousness to avoid the facts of life (read E.Becker for more details). not really sure what killing myself has to do with this but thanks for the tip

>>25871918
>disease

Stopped right there. It's not a disease. Calling it a disease is an insult to people with actual diseases.

Depression a behavior pattern that is easily corrected. it's exploited by people looking for excuses for the underachievement, the psychology industry, and Big Pharma.

>>25873621
so in other words
>just beeeee urself

fuck off normieshit

>>25873631
>Depression a behavior pattern that is easily corrected
u wot m8?
>depression
>easily corrected
elaborate

>>25871918
Depression is an electrochemical problem caused by improper regulation of serotonin and dopamine.

You stupid fucking faggot.

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>>25873576
yeah I'm pretty sure you responded to the wrong robot senpai

>>25872818
>(unlikely, but probable) (possible)
what makes you even think this?
>this is depression, feeling sad
deppression is not just 'feeling sad', it's very different. To describe it in such a way is just insulting people who actually are depressed.
>You can't bounce back and decide you're depressed on Sundays, because then it's just emotions
what does this even mean?

>>25873631
Define diseas.

>>25873673

"Depression" is not a disease. MDs don't diagnose or treat 'depression'. Try doing better at life. It's a lot easier than treating leukemia.

>>25873734
see
>>25873688

You retarded normalshits need to leave. You bore me.

>>25873688
Completely unproven hypothesis.No real physical evidence of this. Theories/studies/pseudoscience etc.

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yeah i just want to see something, ignore this post

>>25873631
You are correct. I retract my statement. Although Big Pharma is a meme, just call it the Reptilians or the Zionists. Oh wait...
>>25873635
Yes, everyone is a normie. It's their fault you feel sad :'(
>>25873688
Checked. Also, okay, Mr. Science Man. The chemicals made me like that. Doesn't change the fact that you still have the power to fix your 'condition'.
>>25873692
Maybe, all the same to me. Apologies if that's the case.
>>25873697
The people who you are referring to who are actually depressed are veterans of war, and even they are salvageable because they will it to be so, they remove themselves from the habits that made them so sad. What I mean by "just emotions" is that someone who feels sad one day, but is excited for other things, is just human, not as sad as they claim. Everyone feels sad, and the people who claim their sadness is worth more than others are deluded and should kill themselves.
>>25873734
>>25873760
Stop arguing with them. They'll be dead by Friday because of their delusions.

>>25872818
>You must also realize that you can, at any point, fix your behaviour and try to entertain yourself so you aren't always sad, gaining the shift that I was talking about.

indeed, i can *TRY* to entertain myself (and i do) but it doesn't work. not even video games last more than a few days of entertainment for me

>>25872472
Well it's actually a vicious cycle because depression prevents people from improving their own conditions. That's why antidepressants exist.

>>25873688

see

>>25873760

Got any more jive for us, you stupid fucking faggot?

>>25873760
Literally one second on google you dumbass.

http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2014/04/09/depression-dopamine-vs-serotonin-which-is-more-important/

http://www.balancingbrainchemistry.co.uk/peter-smith/38/Dopamine-Deficient-Depression.html

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6466257_The_Role_of_Dopamine_in_the_Pathophysiology_of_Depression

>>25873794
Regardless of the existence of free will, it is incredibly hard to overcome biochemical problems.

That being said, a stimulant regiment would help.

>>25873734
>Try doing better at life
what does this mean even?
i lift weights and become better at picking up heavy things. i work 5x a week and become better at buying things. but what can i do to become better at being happy? no fucking idea

>>25873794
>Although Big Pharma is a meme

What? It most assuredly is not.

Over the past two decades the pharmaceutical industry has moved very far from its original high purpose of discovering and producing useful new drugs. Now primarily a marketing machine to sell drugs of dubious benefit, this industry uses its wealth and power to co-opt every institution that might stand in its way, including the US Congress, the FDA, academic medical centers, and the medical profession itself.

>>25873795
I feel the same way, but I don't just stop there. I don't try a bit and that's it. Not saying you don't try hard enough, but if you tried as hard as you are, but spread that effort to many other niches, you might see different results.
>>25873798
To think that people who are just down in the dumps are prescribed these kinds of medication is just pathetic.
>>25873833
I agree with you to an extent, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try or half-ass it. This is your life we're talking about.
>>25873850
I meant it's a meme because of how frequently it is used as a big evil corporation. Even though it is and you are correct, the name sounds like something on the back of a soccer mom's van.

>>25873833
>studies
>theories

Academia will circle jerk until the end of time to keep their endowments coming.

Again: reals MDs do not diagnose nor treat 'depression'. FACT.

>>25872148
Holy shit.. you are right.

Fuck this I'm quitting my job and going on benefits.

>>25873876
>I meant it's a meme because of how frequently it is used as a big evil corporation.

They ARE big evil corporations.

>>25871918
>UGH, why are people with cancer so ... CANCEROUS ?
>Why can't they jus bee themselves ? Maybe then they'd stop having cancer.

>>25873880
>Denying biology in favor of emotion.
>>>/tumblr/
>>>/reddit/

>>25873876
This is why robots should go on a regimen of stimulants. It would help those who don't have biological problems, but lifestyle problems get out of the cycle, and would help those with biological problems actually function.

>>25873880
There is no physical evidence of "depression" even existing'. FACT.

>>25873794
>people who you are referring to who are actually depressed are veterans of war
what?
>Everyone feels sad, and the people who claim their sadness is worth more than others are deluded and should kill themselves.
This is all besides the point. The point is that depression is not just sadness, it isn't even an extreme of sadness, it is different in nature.

>>25871918

Depression is a disease of circumstance. Some people can change that, many people can't, for reasons beyond their control.

>>25873876
>To think that people who are just down in the dumps are prescribed these kinds of medication is just pathetic.

That's because you can't understand their condition.

Your view of depression is essentially the same as the medieval belief that the world is flat. It looks that way to you, so that's what you choose to believe.

>>25873933
Biology....hahahahahah

>b-but muh social scientists

Again, there is no actual physical evidence of 'depression'.

>>25873959
>reasons beyond their control.

What are these reasons "beyond their control"? Do tell.

>>25871918
>just lift weights and tell yourself you aren't depressed

I feel as if we've deviated from my original post.

This is the point. Your life is the most precious thing you have ever been given. Nobody is arguing against death and how it is not the ultimate decider. I am saying that you owe it to yourself to at least try, to put up a good fight, instead of wallow in your own guilt and shit the bed and complain about the smell.

Also>>25873926
you are literally too stupid to insult.
>>25873947
Agreed.
>>25873953
Disagree. It is malleable, but only if you possess the willpower. It is sadness, don't overcomplicate and enable the faggots who deserve death if they are that deluded.
>>25873933
I disagree that downing pills is the answer to some introspective analysis and maturity,
>>25873990
Agreed, again.
>>25873976
Yes, they are all special snowflakes. They need drugs. Hey, tell them to drink whiskey with all their drugs too. Maybe that'll kill 'em faster.

>>25873947
>>25873990
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18690111

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2012/12/researchers-both-induce-relieve-depression-symptoms-in-mice-by-stimulating-single-brain-region-with-light.html

http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2012/12/12/the-two-faces-of-depression-two-studies-switch-off-symptoms-in-mice-but-in-opposite-ways/

Chemical experimentation in animals.


>>25874014
Biological problems in neurotransmitter regulation.

>>25874016
Isn't that /fit/ with homosexuality?

>>25873880
doesn't mean that it's 'easily fixed'. in fact some cases are hopeless

>>25874048
This is a delusion. They are hopeless if they believe they are.

>>25874028

>more academic studies

Get back to me when there is actual scientific evidence.

Hint: there is none.

Again for the dedicated con-men (save it for mommy and the NEETbux people): REAL MDs DO NOT DIAGNOSE OR TREAT DEPRESSION. IT IS NOT A DISEASE.

>>25874017
Introspective analysis and maturity are independent from willpower. Many robots are somewhat introspective already. Many people who lead normal lives posses no self awareness.

Stimulants help with motivation, fixing lethargy. There have been many threads where robots marvel at how much stimulants, such as adderaul help them function as normal people. Anecdotal evidence is weak, but it is still evidence nonetheless.

>>25874048
There are no 'cases'. It's not a disease.

>>25874098
Experiments are what constitutes evidence in science. These weren't "academic studies," they were experiments conducted in a controlled lab environment.

>>25874101
Kek. Pseudo-science will including the term: 'robot'.

>>25874098
Also, I can't believe I didn't notice, but your definition of any health problem is what MD's can diagnose.

That has so many problems with it, I don't even know where to begin.

>>25874101
A valid point, but there are alternatives that are natural. I used maturity because the majority of these people are sad by their own accord, so this is an example of immaturity (by their own accord because they possess the power to alter their situation, whether they believe in this or not, it is true).

>>25874017
>It is malleable, but only if you possess the willpower
Surely everyone would have the willpower to be happy because evryone wants to be happy-it's intrinsic. In other words, you do not will to be happy or sad, you just are. Think about it like this-some people live perfectly good and 'fullfilled' lives and yet are still unhappy.

>>Screw You Guys
>>Im going home

>>25874157
Everyone does have the willpower, some people seem to ignore it or downplay themselves to the point where, just like a muscle, their willpower grows weak, so weak that they are beyond saving. Then, they should kill themselves. It is the only way out.

>>25874123
Except Psychology doesn't adhere to the scientific methods. There are five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability.

Sorry, but these psychological studies do not adhere to those processes.

>>25874147
You are correct in assuming many of the people here have eletrochemical problems caused by their own stupidity. The neet lifestyle, irregular hours, frequent masturbation, sedentary behavior, affect natural neurotransmitter regulation. However, once it starts, it becomes cyclical.

And by stimulants, I was also referring to natural alternatives, such as caffeine. Anything that will help break the cycle is enough.

R9K is a truly venomous place, this coming from a khv robot
Its the only place you will find acceptance being a khv, friendless, neet and loser

>>25874118
i don't understand what you're trying to say. it's like you're arguing that depressed people just choose to feel that way, and can get out of it if they try harder. in some instances (if you like that word better than cases) there is nothing the individual could do to feel happiness again. even more commonly the affected person has NOT THE FAINTEST CLUE how to feel happy again. this is my case, saying "improve yourself idiot" isn't helping at all. i got a job, i lift, i am doing all the standard shit that is supposed to be constructive and it's not working.

I DONT KNOW HOW TO FEEL HAPPY

>>25874192
Neurological scans, trends in behavior, as well as chemical modification can substitute for psychological conjecture.

>>25874201
I agree, but too much can just add to the problem (i.e. too much caffeine can become addictive, leading to a paradoxical sedentary lifestyle because their lives revolve around caffeine. Not necessarily something as 'tame' as caffeine, but you get the point).

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>>25871918
Fuck you, I'm going to die anyway so I'm going to be as much of a drain as I possibly can be, even if it barely affects the rest of the world.

I'll burn as many of your resources as I can before I go out and nobody will be able to stop me. I have no obligation to end my life for others, I'll live for as long as I feel like living.

>>25874188
But why would they ignore it?

>>25874217
I am sorry to hear that, but I truly believe if you put in the effort that you believe your life is worth into expanding your horizons to find something that defines you (or at least distracts you from the sadness), then you will be redeemed.

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>>25874251
Beats me. Ask the majority of people here.
>>25874235
Pic related, you are affecting others. Kill yourself already if you wish to continue these toxic habits.

>>25874216
I feel like this is a bait thread

>>25874143
Yeah, sorry I'm crazy, for some reason I don't consider some condition that actual MDs won't diagnose or treat a "disease'.

>>25874201
Moar pseudo-science.

>>25874270
I fail to see how my nonexistent drug use is related.

Either way I'm going to do my part in ruining the future for everyone by trying to live a long life while contributing nothing to society and you can't stop me.

>>25874307
Don't argue with them. They are so far down the rabbit hole they're willing to die to convince themselves what they have is legitimate. Just let them rot away, they'll off themselves by the end of this month.

>Another "depression doesn't real" grandpa who thinks he's got it all figured out

I can't even be asses to get mad anymore. We get so many of these it's uncanny, like /biz/s "how do I get rich quick" tags.

>>25874229
There is no physical evidence from neurological scans.

Trends in behavior (of unquantifiable feelings), and playing hit and miss with drugs isn't science. Sorry.

>>25874258
why do you believe that?
what could i even do?

>>25874307
>>25874327
>>25874373

Undiscovered and unresearched diseases/conditions are not treated or acknowledged by doctors until they are completely sure of a treatment regimen.

And yes, brain scans do count as evidence.

Although really, complaining about a recommendation to use caffeine, an easily obtainable legal stimulant, which may have a chance of helping robots? There is literally no fucking harm.

Why the hell are you here? To help your inferiority complex by laughing at people less fortunate than you?

>>25874270
Majority of people here! Why do you want to be so miserable?!

>>25874342
>thinking it takes a lot of figuring out that once you have a problem with attitude you should fix it by changing the attitude

I'll disagree with op and say that depression might be caused by brain damage/maldevelopment in 0.05% or whatever cases of "depression" but once you say that you can't or aren't willing to do something that you either need or want to do, then you're not talking about depression anymore. That's either laziness, stupidity, or incompetence. The mistake pussies and women make is thinking depression has anything to do with how much you can accomplish or how much energy you actually have.

>>25874387
see >>25873543
for a recommendation. I suggested drawing. Might be a good idea.

>>25874403
>And yes, brain scans do count as evidence.
Moar dishonesty. I didn't say that that evidence didn't count. I said there is no physical evidence for depression. Which is true.

This fake disease does more harm than good. Academia, big pharma, and huckster shills such as yourself deserve to be called out.

You're just taking weak people and selling them an excuse. It's bullshit, and a complete insult to people with actual diseases.

>>25874485
You sound like a stormfag desu.

I bet you think having kids or working a 9 to 5 job is success.

>>25874403
>less fortunate
Depression studies show that normal exercise is a better treatment than any drug people have come up with. Then it gets even better if they take a bunch of therapy and basically distract themselves from being "less fortunate" aka bored and retarded.

You can recommend anything you want but ultimately the only cure there will ever be for depression is literally to stop thinking about being depressed and getting on with your life

>>25874505
Sorry if facts got in the way of your externalizing blame for your problems.

>>25874470
i used to do graphics design a lot, playing around with photoshop. it got old quick, i only use it now if i actually have something i want edited, like a photo or an image at work (i work in Web design & database management).
art has never been something i enjoyed or appreciated. i don't even listen to music because it's just noise to me

>>25874506
>Wahh! I'm too dumb to understand science.

The ironic thing is that I said the exercise and a healthy lifestyle are best, but that medication can just break the cycle so one can start said lifestyle.

I'm sorry, I didn't know you lacked basic reasoning skills.

>>25874533
>Implying they're my problems.
My problems are pretty different, and I mostly have a handle on them.

In the past five years of study psychology at college, doing recreational drugs and forcing myself out of my comfort zone, I have come to the conclusion that my depression may not be 'curable', but I can sort of 'freeze it over' by changing my view and expectations of my life.

I think many of us are depressed because we are very aware of the ephemeral and fleeting nature of happiness, and because of our bleak yet realistic view of how our lives will transpire.

Just accept it. The key to getting out of depression is stepping out of your existential crisis into the chilling climate of nihilism where you can accept the world and your life for what it is and probably will be, instead of constantly torturing yourself by longing for what you dont have.

>>25874558
It feels like graphics design was more of a task than a leisurely activity. Try to find the thing that you find most tolerable and let it grow on you, If that's not the case, then exercise. Cook meals for yourself from scratch. I'm not sure what will be the answer for you, but the important thing is that you try. I believe in you, but that will only get you so far.

>>25874592
>science

Again. None of what you are saying qualifies as 'science'. It's 100% pseudo-science, and needs to be called out as such.

>>25872328
>t, don't fap to femdom or cuck porn, people won't tell you but it's toxic as fuck for your mind.Its your life anyway,do as you please

how can I stop liking femdom and cuck? reply asap

>>25874600
>I have come to the conclusion that my depression may not be 'curable', but I can sort of 'freeze it over' by changing my view and expectations of my life.

It's not a fucking tumor.

Please join the rest of us back in reality.

>>25874633
I see words, but read nothing.

Just accept your inferiority. Just because you are too stupid to see trends doesn't mean everyone is.

>>25874600
This anon is "right". It is torture and you should expand your horizons. I think that, in doing so, you can grow up and realize the edginess of nihilism or whatever is for children.

>>25874592
>too dumb
Good argument
>break the cycle
That's not how drugs work
>basic reasoning
The basic reasoning is in applying the best solution to a problem, in this case looking at it as a behavioral challenge rather than a psychiatric one. If you have brain damage maybe it's a different problem altogether and using "basic reasoning" trying out different pills and shortcuts for depression will make the cycle that never existed in the first place, rather than breaking anything

>>25874674
>nds
You know it's not science. It's been demonstrated several times in this thread why it is not. You're not going to meme your way around that FACT.

>>25874674
Okay. The anon is a normie faggot. So am I. Just leave then. Let the adults talk shop while you convince yourself you are yooneeq because of your crippling cancer. Oh wait, you can cure some types of cancer. I guess it's just depression then! The last hurdle of human civilization!

>>25874666
>Look at me! I'm being a cunt and being malicious towards sad people on the internet!

If you want to bully someone, bully the strong, the look on their face when you break them is so much better.

>>25874655
bumping myself

how can i stop except... except?

>>25874721
Get another fetish. Visit /d/ sometime or something.

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>disease of will
Wow, OP's literally retarded.

>>25874718
Anon, facts and reality are not bullying. Grow up. How can you possibly help these people if you refuse to accept reality? Depression is not a disease. Everyone needs to move forward from that point.

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>>25874706
>>25874713
>>25874718
You're mad aren't you? It's adorable.

>>25874718
>i want attention for being a victim but please don't victimize me, make fun of normal dudes for no reason instead

>>25874721
In response to this anon and many others wondering how to fix themselves. There is an old Spanish proverb that states: "Habits start out as cobwebs, but grow into chains." It takes time and effort. Observe the chains here >>25874746

>>25874632
i cook every meal i eat because i am anal about my nutrition. the only thing i spend money on apart from food, gas, and rent/utilities is supplements to try to stay healthy.
i lift as well, i am decently fit. it's not enjoyable at all but i'm a 5'6 manlet so if i'm not in great shape i'm basically fucked in the physical attractiveness department

i don't even need a leisurely activity. fun isnt so important, i just want a purpose. fuck i would be happy digging holes in the dirt all day if that was truly my destiny and it needed to be done.

>>25874767
If all else fails meme.

Again, you hucksters need to save it for mommy and the disability people.

>>25874765
>I KNOW SCIENCE BEST!

Why not ask >>>/sci/ about neurotransmitters affecting behavior?

>>25874746
This is fake or taken out of context. There is no proven physical manifestation of 'depression'.

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>>25874857
I knew it, you are retarded.

And not even the fun kind.

>>25874800
>neurotransmitters

More theories.

Again, no proof or actual evidence of this. Hence, why it's not treatable.

>>25871918
I dont consider myself very depressive person but still it cripples my life socially. It's just something snaps in me and negativity overflows my mind. It's like being hyper realistic about life - why do anything if no matter what you'll do you'll still be dead? Why put effort in anything if after death it wont concern you? Once you lose your hope and innocence towards world, you start seeing world in real colors and that sight makes me depressive.

>>25874875
More hot air.

You Anons will do anything to avoid coming o grips with the FACT that there is nothing psychically wrong with you.

>>25874878
Ask >>>/sci/ then faggot. If nothing else, you could learn about theoretical physics.

>>25874270
If you don't have an answer to that doesn't your whole arguement fall flat?

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>>25874878
Dude, we've imaged receptor sites, we've observed this stuff.

>>25874907
I'm in med school. No need for /sci/.

>>25874910
I am not going to fix your life for you. If you lash out at the person who says you are still redeemable, then you are too far gone. Refer to the second option, please. Or fix your own life. Beats me, I don't care what happens to you. Nobody does.

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>>25874939
>>25874878
Here's a literal picture of vesicles full of ligand migrating across the synapse.

Your move.

>>25874941
Oh, looky, a med student who thinks they know everything.

You cunts are about a dime a dozen.

Did you know the universe only exists because consciousness stabilizes it? If not, go to >>>/sci/. You could still learn something. It'd be more productive than this.

>>25874949
what are you talking about, I was talking about the arguement, not myself.

>>25875000
Checked, I thought you were someone else. The argument is about how you can fix your life. It has already been stated by me twice and again by others. Read it from the top, please.

To the people posting scientific data that says depression exists, consider the following. Antidepressants are one of the biggest portions in the prescription pill industry. It would make sense that there be "irrefutable evidence and how dare you say otherwise" supporting it. Being sad is not even in the same league as anything that deserves being prescribed pills for it.

>>25874939
There are theories. And lots of studies by social 'scientists'. No proof. No real evidence. I saw an Anon on here the other days swearing his 'receptors' had been damaged by video games.

It's telling ho eager 'depression' 'victims' are willing to grasp onto any untested theory as justification of an as of now undiagnosqable conditions. It shows their motives.

The fact that there are physiologists doping patients to the gills for something that is completely unproven ought to be criminal.

Again. Actual MDs neither diagnose nor treat 'depression'.

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I don't have depression right now though, OP. I was just diagnosed with schizophrenia a week ago. Is that a disease of the will too? What did I ever do to deserve this?

There's a group of three powerful businessmen who are torturing me through different tests. They send demons after me while I'm trying to sleep, they stick flies into all my meals, and they fill my head with false information. Every day I think about killing myself just to get rid of these endless trials, to be done with this madness. If this is a test of my will, I'm not strong enough for this, I'm going to break at any moment. I don't know what I did to deserve this punishment, I don't know how I've offended the three men. I try to be a good person. Some higher power must have summoned them just to toy with me, to see just how far the human spirit can bend. Please somebody just make it stop.

>>25872328
>unless you are extremely ugly
I wouldn't be complaining about it unless I was. I've worked in a shop and witnessed the halo effect firsthand, the difference between how a pretty girl is treated compared to someone similar to me in looks is monumental. Lazy fuckers who normally just stand around on their phones go out of their way to help Stacy while ugly people are treated like scum

>>25875080
Ask >>>/sci/ faggot.

Spending your time there would be more productive than being a retard at sad people.

>>25875102
still a better story than those who are sad and don't want to change their habits and blame it on everything else.

>>25875080
I'm not depressed. I don't think I am, I don't have a diagnosis, I don't have symptoms.

I'm just telling you you're a moron if you're denying the existence of things we've imaged.

Again, see: >>25874971
It's a literal image of the things you say are "just a theory"...do you even know what "theory" means in the context of scientific inquiry?

I mean, the fact that we have well controlled studies in rats with knock out genes being treated by various medications shown to have a literal binding in the brain using positron imaging would indicate you're either...
>a troll
>uneducated to the point of appearing as one.
I'll err with the first to give you benefit of the doubt.

>>25871918
Depression is a disease influenced
By Demons, they make you feel
It's your own thoughts.
Demons don't need to appear to people
Or possess them, they just pull the strings
I had severe depression, also drug addiction.
I was doomed.
But Jesus had mercy of my soul.
He saved me, after I started truly
Devoting myself, my life turned around
Completely. I'm a functional human being
Jesus even prepared a devout Christian girlfriend
Just like myself.
I know I don't belong here anymore
I'm still here to talk about Jesus for those
Willing to listen.
Jesus loves your soul.

>>25874971
>vesicles full of ligand migrating across the synapse.
Fine. That isn't evidence of depression. It's been LINKED to depression by social scientists.

>>25875228
All the power to you for moving past the toxic behaviours that plagued you.

>>25875276
>neurobiologists are social scientists
Ok m8. Whatever mantra you have to recite in order to preserve that perfect ivory tower of self certainty.

>>25875015
>Beats me
I was refering to this. Why would someone wish to be sad? It seems to go against basic human nature.

>>25875159
>I'm just telling you you're a moron if you're denying the existence of things we've imaged.

They exist. They aren't evidnce of depression though. That's an intellectually dishonest leap you are making. There are theories/studies 'linking' it to 'depression', which if you know how social science works in academia, means little to nothing. It's not actual evidence.

You're not only a moron, you're a moron with an agenda. And it shows.

>>25875315
>>25875276
http://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v4/n9/full/nrd1825.html
^From Nature, not a social science journal.

http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273(07)00975-0?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0896627307009750%3Fshowall%3Dtrue&cc=y=
^From Neuron, not a social science journal.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0028390804003855
^From Neuropharmacology, not a social science journal.

>>25875340
This is what I meant by "beats me". I'm saying I am not as retarded as those people who enjoy wallowing in sadness. I am not abnormal. That's why it is beyond me that some idiots can, as I said, shit the bed and complain about the smell, while simultaneously enjoying it not enough to change anything.

>>25875315
>>neurobiologists a
most neurology, in practice, is a social science. Sorry.

I am not certain. I am a scientist and open minded. But evidence is evidence, and theories are theories. MReal science is based on the the scientific method, and everything else is susceptible to money and politics.

>>25875372
>>25875361
http://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v4/n9/abs/nrd1825.html
^From Drug Discover, not a social science journal.

http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v10/n9/abs/nn1971.html
^From Nature Neuroscience, not a social science journal.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014299903012809
^From Euro Journal of Pharmacology, not a social science journal.

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/22/22/10046.short
^From Journal of Neuroscience, not a social science journal.

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/301/5631/386.short
^From Science, not a social science journal.

>>25875425
Go to ER and say you have a case of 'depression" Get back to me with what happens.

>>25875452
During these times of mental retardation, they'll probably toss out the cancer patient and give you their bed.

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>>25873543
True depression is a chemical imbalance. Being a fair hand at illustration does not change this. Changing my lifestyle does not change this. Talking with other people does not change this (and usually makes it worse as they just tell me it is all my own fault).
I am just hanging around and eating pain until such time as I chose to project it outwards.
Pic related, I drew it.

>>25875392
I know that there are some people who will exemplify their emotions purely to get attention, however I don't don't know if people can truly enjoy being sad, it seems contradictory.

>>25875425
>>25875415
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006322303009521
^From Biological Psychiatry, not a social science journal.

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v21/n1s/full/1395371a.html
^From Neuropsychopharmacology, not a social science journal.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306452207016648
^From Neuroscience, not a social science journal.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1460-9568.2003.02960.x/abstract;jsessionid=C40322716B3F4DEAF9D1EB402ACDC98C.f02t03?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=
^From Euro Journal of Neuroscience, not a social science journal.

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/26/20/5554.short
^From Journal of Neuroscience, not a social science journal.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165614702020175
^From Trends in Psychopharm Sciences, not a social science journal.

>>25875452
In the case of actual psychiatric emergency, you will be held on invol until committed to an institution with multiple psychiatirc doctors whom have...what degree to psychiatric professionals get again...?
That's right, I'd forgotten...
>An MD

>>25875491
Right? Sorry cancer patients, we got some patients with severe cases of depression and gender dysphoria that needs those beds.

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>>25873564
She was murdered by her failure of a chad ex-boyfriend. All three are ded.

>>25875514
If you feel this way, then kill yourself . You seem to just be waiting for death.
>>25875536
Refer to the other linked post to see what I mean. It is illogical. I say they enjoy it because if you hate something, you'd change it. And this is perfectly curable, it is through your own determination. The only other explanation is that they get off on it, so they wallow in it. Pathetic, really.

>>25875548
Fuck her. She probably broke his heart. That's what the roastie gets

>>25871918
>Depression is a choice
>Just try something different
>Just be happy
OP is a troll or an ignorant retard.

>>25875544
>>25875543
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatrist

>Competencies Analytical mind, patience
>Education required: Doctor of Medicine (M.D.), Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (D.O.)

So I guess the claim MDs don't treat depression's BTFO too.

>>25875543
>http://www.jneurosci.org/content/26/20/5554.short
half of these links don't work. You must have realy knocked yourself out reading them. And again, they are academic papers and theories.

And exactly. No actual MDs will be treating you. You'll be seeing psychologists.

>>25873697
People who aren't depressed are never going to admit that depression exists, because to do so is too depressing. To them, it's all in your head, and you are not depressed because the world sucks and no one wants to do anything but make it worse, you are depressed because you chose to be.

>>25875606
>Ignorant
This is the same logic fat people or feminists use when they try and pawn off their shortcomings. Grow up, or if you truly believe your words, kill yourself. It is the only option left if you can't fix your current state.

>making the best out of your life
nice meme
you will eventually rot, and everybody you knew, know or will know will rot too. Nothing you did during your life matters as it will be forgotten as you're rotting. "Making the best out of your life" is just a sad, cowardly way to forget that your life is utterly pointless and worthless.

>>25873848
Just be originally yourself anon ;^)

>>25875647
>People who aren't depressed are never going to admit that depression exists, because to do so is too depressing.

People who are depressed are never going to accept there is no actual evidence of this condition. To do so would require personal accountability for their lives.

>>25875654
Yeah, definitely a troll.

>>25875669
>>25875693
Just kill yourselves, then. Seriously, if it all amounts to nothing, then do it.

>>25875654
>This is the same logic fat people or feminists use when they try and pawn off their shortcomings.

Exactly. It's the same thought process. The same techniques. The same pseudo-science. The same politics. The same academic jive.

>>25875623
>And exactly. No actual MDs will be treating you. You'll be seeing psychologists.
>>25875618
Also, the journal links work fine for me linking from the URLs as listed.

>>25875452
I have been to the ER a couple times because I was depressed. I get psychotic depression, where the sadness and pain is so severe I start hearing voices that tell me to kill myself. Once you say those magic words, the doctors check on their little clipboards "yep, this guy is nuts; take him to the psych ward".

>>25875710
Everyone who challenges your half-baked pseudo-symptoms are trolls. Okay. Kill yourself, you are irredeemable.

>>25875743
So they sent you to the psychologists. Let me guess, they prescribed you drugs to treat a condition they don't truly understand? Shocking.

>>25875797
>>25875739
>>25875618
The only way to get prescribed psychiatric medication is through a psychiatrist, who has an MD...you really don't know fuckall about this stuff, don't you?

>>25875577
On a level of physicality, depression can be described as an imbalance of hormones. this cannot necessarily be controlled through personal choice

>>25875797
Is it though? The psychologists were raised around these same delusions (most everyone is), so this is the outcome. More nutcases who can't think twice and just down everything they're given instead of actually trying to fix themselves. It's almost as if these people have been tortured by some Victorian doll or something for 30 years and are just now seeing the light of day. Chilling stuff, she doesn't like you back.

>>25875797
No, I never saw a psychologist while I was in the hospital, only a psychiatrist. He gave me an atypical anti-psychotic, which made the voices go away after a few days. Anti-psychotics have a very good efficacy for treating hallucinations of all kinds, and we have a pretty clear idea of how they work.

>>25875067
Depression is not "being sad" as has already been stated numerous times.

>>25875850
Sorry, friend. You missed the neurotransmitter stuff, it's back up there. Can we move on from that garbage?
>>25875875
Yes, it is. Don't flatter yourself. Grow up.

>>25875871
>psychiatrist
Who has an MD, a medical doctorate, which makes him a physician.

>>25875890
>garbage
I don't see any refutations of the studies coming from you, other than whining and shitposty b8.

>>25875863
These ailments have no proven physical manifestations. Psychologists treat them, but obviously can't cure anything. It's up to you seriously you take them, but it's most assuredly not science.

>>25875452
72 hour 5150 hold is what happens in America. Shockingly, this does nothing to help.

>>25875907
Okay, it's all bait. The social scientists and everyone else who makes a buck off of your delusions are right. You can try as hard as you can and grow up to contribute something to the world and better yourself, none of that will ever work. Just hormones, and some other stuff. Certainly not me. Nope. Illogical. And ignorant. Kill yourself, please.

>>25875923
>These ailments have no proven physical manifestations. Psychologists treat them, but obviously can't cure anything. It's up to you seriously you take them, but it's most assuredly not science.
>>25875907
>>25875848
>>25875618
I'm going to keep linking you to my posts until you address them.

Life is suffering and tedium broken up by brief and fleeting mime Yafo happiness. It is better that we never existed in the first place. You are born into a losing battle, struggle for a fee decades and return to nothing. What's the point?

>>25875875
There is no definition of 'depression' because it isn't even proven to exist. It is currently, at best, an quantifiable feeling.

>>25875955
How poetic. Grow up please. Keep poetry just that, poetry. Fictional, in this case.

>>25875577
>if you feel this way, then kill yourself

No thanks. Why would I do that when I can kill others instead?

>>25875949
>>25875966
>social scientists
>depression doesn't exist
>>25875907
>>25875848
>>25875618
>>25875543
>>25875425
>>25875372
>>25873833
Address these points?

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>>25875748
>This is how he spends his tuesday afternoons
Holy fuck you're a faggot

>>25875966
Everyone read this. What you are experiencing is sadness, because you didn't get what you wanted. Boo hoo, grow up and stop making a big deal out of it. You have the power to fix yourself. If you truly tried as hard as you could and are a coward, kill yourself.

>>25875950
THEY DON"T EXIST. YOU LINKED A BUNCH OF ACADEMIC STUDIES WITH POTENTIAL LINKS.

I've got news for you Anon, with enough $ you can have social science 'prove' anything. Lawyers do it everyday.

>>25875997
The edge is real. Take care when dealing with these objects/people.
>>25876002
A point is valid, it has meaning. Refer to >>25876033
Also, grow up.

>>25876033
Exactly. What these assholes are trying to do is hijack the definition of 'science'. And they will use all of the political power at their disposable to get away with it. Psychology isn't science. Period.

>>25876033
Refute the studies. I'm just going to keep asking you until you have some actual substantive argument against them.

You keep saying social science, but the journals I linked are from neurobio sources. You keep saying psychologist when you've been directed by multiple people to the fact that the only people who hand out medications for psychiatric illness are psychiatrists, who have an MD, making them physicians.

Seriously, I'll leave you alone when you actually address any of this...if you think you can revise the entirety of our understanding of neuroscience, I suggest getting a degree in it or at the very least sending in your refutations to the journals linked above.

>>25875588
Checked. News link if interested.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/01/19/geneseo-murder-suicide-pkg.wham

>>25872472
Most people are depressed because they want something they will probably never get. It isn't just being sad, it's the stress and fear that you can never be truly happy.

>>25875980
I'm a pessimistic antinatalist. Life is bad and is not worth imposing on people. The suffering entailed in life does not begin to justify the pleasures that can be found. Better to have never been.

>>25876116
>still no refutations
>>25876002
^Just so you remember where they are :^3

>>25875707
Yea, its not like there have been tins of links and evidence posted.
Go ahead and tell whomever that depression doesn't exist. Clearly it does, or you wouldn't have anything to argue against.

>>25876123
Still emotions, don't inflate the situation.
>>25876124
I wonder if the mothers of people like this look at their children's photographs as babies and wonder where it all went wrong.

>>25876002
Half of those studies you listed where funded by the pharmaceutical industry. That whole industry from academia on up is a racket.

>>25876230
>no refutations
Go through their methodology and tell me what's wrong. Go through their results and tell me what's more likely. Evaluate their statistics and tell me what's wrong with them. Look at their imaging and gene sequencing and tell me how they were undermined.

If you can't do that, you're just pissing in the wind, m8.

>>25876200
There has been ZERO evidence. You posted a lot of studies and theories.

I could post the same about gender dysphoria, or PTSD, or ADD. It's nonsense.

>>25876277
Show me an x-ray or a blood test or a catscan with evidence of 'depression'. I'll wait.

You've posted studies/theories.

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>>25876284
PTSD has even more physical evidence than the others given the entire hippocampus atrophies. Pic related.

>>25876312
I already did.
>>25874746

>>25872016
If any destruction could come from this apathy of mine I'd be fucking inspired to live the longest life I could.
But destruction will never come from this inactivity.

>>25876429
It speaks for itself, inactivity. Release yourself and expand your horizons. Don't buy into the bullshit about this 'condition', you can fix yourself.

>>25871918
Could you be anymore ableist?

Fuck off.

>>25876486
I'm the guy who has been asking you to refute these studies and theories and brain images.

I don't even disagree that things like exercise help more than some SSRIs (though not as much as SSRAs), I just want you to actually do some refutation instead of plugging your fingers in your ear, closing your eyes, and saying the structural changes observed in both images and controlled experimentation don't exist.

If you had a remotely serious leg to stand on, we'd be seeing some exegesis from you on WHY the material isn't right, not just that it's wrong.

>>25876118
>http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/01/19/geneseo-murder-suicide-pkg.wham

A very warming story of a roastie getting her just desserts

>>25876284
What exactly doi you consider "evidence.". Things you already agree with? Analytical theory backed by evidence? Something else?
I am genuinely curious, as it is not often I encounter someone so ignorant of thier world as to believe it is factual.

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>>25876538
>ableist
fuck off tumblr shit

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What about bipolar disorder? Is that not real either?

I'm pretty sure the manic highs and depressive lows I get aren't normal brain reactions, I'm not usually manic/depressed for a particular reason. I can't just will them away because there's not ever a single root cause for them that I can just fix. Sometimes my episodes are so intense I have a psychotic break from reality, I get delusions that I can't shake away. If I'm manic, I'm convinced I'm very important, can talk to God, and have supernatural powers. If I'm depressed, I think every car that pulls up outside is filled with people trying to assassinate me. I get very vivid visual hallucinations, which I can touch and interact with.

I dunno, it doesn't sound like my condition can just be willed away. Sounds more like my brain can't regulate its chemistry. That's why my brain reacts well to medication, the meds balance my neurotransmitters. I'll admit that I do self-therapy to help counter negative thoughts during depressive episodes, it's definitely a good add-on to medication but not a substitute.

>>25876486
My problem though is having no feasible aspiration. There's nothing for me that is worth doing, as no thing done would contribute to any goal. Any goal I have is either impossible or requiring of an entire career's pay to reach, but I want to live the goals, not the grind.
I'm not sure how related my points there were, I'm just gonna hit post though.

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>>25876650
I dunno, check out this PET scan and you tell me if it's real.

>>25871918
Hear, hear. I've been doing better lately but I still struggle.

>>25876663
The problem with a lot of people these days is that they are living a rich person's lifestyle. Eating rich, driving rich, acting rich. If your goals are too high, so high that you need that much money, you are looking for the wrong things. Expand your horizons, fight back for your life, make something of yourself, distract yourself, do something that you can do right now. You don't need this amount of motivation, you should already want to do it. Grow up and fight for your life.

>>25876752
Yes, when it comes down to it, I'm just ignorant.
I seek few (though rather broad) aspirations that are difficult to obtain and whose prerequisites entail work I don't feel I have the will to do.
That's it. That's my depression. An ignorance facilitated by my surroundings and my lack of will.
If I were to step out of it, and at least try, I'm sure I'd at least have the will to discover a new way to my goals.
But I've trapped myself, and put the key on a staircase I don't feel like climbing.
I realize maybe there was supposed to be argument here, but I feel a good explanation of my situation lends to this situation.
My only argument is that your argument does nothing. Who's going to go grab the key from the stairs just because another person can prove it will lead to new opportunity?
Someone who isn't depressed.

>>25877077
rather, someone who hasn't self-declared their own will as naught.

>>25877109
You're still on that whole will thing, eh?

So...you got the will to refute all them studies, images, lab controlled experiments, and peer reviewed papers?

>>25877077
>>25877109

This is the first valid criticism. I made this thread because I was tired of people who are sad blaming it on the world and fixing themselves, but I guess it isn't as easy as it seems. Like I said above, a Spanish proverb comes to mind: "Habits begin as cobwebs, but turn into chains." Nobody is saying it's easy, it is very hard to break habits as strong as the ones some people have. I believe that you can do it if you try, I give you my hope and blessing. I hope you can find something redeemable and move past this situation. All the power to you.

>>25877149
sorry if I confused you, >>25877077 and >>25877109
were both me>>25877077
like, I was fixing the last line of my first post
(so it would be "Someone who hasn't self-declared their own will as naught")

>>25877196
Really the only tangible advice I have for those suffering depression, and this is only coming from a dude with degree in neuro, is to exercise a bit and maybe order some Tianeptine from the web; it's got a higher treatment rate than SSRIs in the States, doesn't cause the weight and sexual effects, imparts energy, etc., the only reason it's not available in the States is due to a disagreement between Pfizer and Tianeptine's manufacturer. If you don't have the will to hit some buttons on your computer, I wonder where you get the impetus to post...

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If you're depressed, you must embrace nationalism.

The reason for your depression is a lack of purpose in your life. You will like you're unimportant in this world. You don't feel like you're part of something great. You feel like the world would just keep functioning the same way without you. You feel like you are an expendable cog in a global machine whose inner workings and goals entirely elude you.

Look at this picture. Do you see all these people? How could German go from being crushed by WWI to emerging as a superpower that could take on the whole world for 8 years? How did Germany go from a degenerate shithole to a shining beacon of scientific and technological advancement? How did the ordinary German, who one year before wouldn't know how to survive the winter, be so happy and unafraid of the future?

There's something worth fighting and dying for: the right to live with dignity, for you and your children. Walk the Path of Light and join us on eightpol.

>>25876541
You've posted a lot of studies. That's it. The truth is we don't fuly understand the human brain, nor may we ever. You're posting theories and studies. Academics have theories and studies about any number of dubius conditions. Doesn't make them facts.

Feelings are quantifiable. Therefore these studies are anecdotal and unscientific. That doesn't make them necessarily invalid, but they aren't science.

Calling depression a disease is dishonest. It's a theory.

The fact that psychology is inherently vague is used by all kinds of politicians and hucksters.

Sorry, but there is still no evidence depression is a disease, and telling a bunch of socially challenged adolescents that there is something congenitaly wrong with them, is at best irresponsible, and all too often exploitive.

>>25877327
Literally all of science is theory. All of it.

>>25877149
Peer reviewed papers. In the social sciences. Kek.

>>25877281
damn, now I can see how this movement was so effective. It strikes at the core feeling of insignificance to modern society. It's sort of the appeal of the internet.
Fucking nazis man, impressive.

>>25877281
This post is correct. Those people give their lives meaning. Hitler gave them something to die for. He gave them meaning. Even though this post is semi-shilling for nationalism, it is correct. Find something that gives your life meaning, be it this or anything else. Nationalism is something we need these days, so it is a very viable option, to fight for your motherland so it doesn't fall prey to parasites destroying it.

>>25871918
Video games are wayy better. Face it the depressed are simply awakened to the truth that life sucks. Its a blinding truth that short circuits your fun processes. But that doesnt change the fact that you owe the world nothing and dont need to contribute to humanity, but simply need to have fun and be content with what you have.

>>25871975
morrissey plz go to bed

>>25877352
Actual science is held accountable to the scientific method.

But a neckbeard abstracting something into abstract philosophy to get over?Shocking. Next thing you know feminists are going to start exploiting semantics.

>>25877281
It's because Germany's culture that developed for centuries, formed the general disciplined worker mentality aiming or sufficient quality. Germans are simply like that and every nation and culture has it's unique mentality that in total functions like one person.

If you think nationalism makes each and every nation great the way it made Germany great then you are an idiot. Amercan nationalism doesn't look like your image. Instead it's fat moronic skinhead bullshit and that will never change.
Keep dreaming.

>>25877281
I agree wholeheartedly with you anon, but nowadays nationalism = racism in the eyes of the masses. you can't be proud of your race, if you're white.

>>25877450
The implications and application of quantum mechanics are effectively philosophy, with pseudo-answers.

>>25877327
>just posted studies
See:
>>25877352

I agree that we don't understand the whole of the system, and may not.

You REALLY need to start posting refutations of the studies if you want me to engage you beyond asking you for refutations.

>>25877357
>social sciences
>>25875543
>>25875425
>>25875372
>not a single social science journal.

>>25877450
And neurobiology isn't held to the scientific method? Howso?

C'mon, folks, it shouldn't be this hard for you to post refutations if it's as much bullshit as you say...

>>25877327

*aren't quantifiable

truth lol

>>25877488
Um, did you actually look at the methods and results of the studies I posted? Or are you just saying the quantified data that's in them isn't actually in them?

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>>25877281
keitel and jodl admited during Nuremberg trials that the only reason why third reicht did not lost war in 1939 were brits and frogs pussies.

During invasion of poland, germany had only 23 divisions on Germany-France border while France and Brits had 110 divisions.

>>25877490
lol truth

>>25877481
>shilling for an 80 billion dollar drug industry built around something that has NEVER been proven.

>b-but you didnt read the 2000 pages of studies I posted.

I could post an equal amount of papers and studies regarding gender dysphoria.

Psychology isn't science.

>>25877756
Fully agreed. Ironic, they lose their shit at feminists pushing all races or some stupid shit but when they do it, it's completely justified and accepted. Ignorance loves company, I guess.

>>25877756
Exactly. A cornerstone of the scientific method is predictable results. Psychologists can't offer that and they know it.

>>25877777
If they can sell 'depression' they're sick, if not they're just miserable losers of their own making.

>>25877756
>>25877777
>>25877811
>I don't like it so it's wrong
Seriously, you cats should take your INCREDIBLE scientific breakthroughs and convince those journals to retract their papers, which journals do ALL THE TIME when material's refuted.

Show me some whys or wherefores for your assertions. Get some backbone.

You're not worse at science than psychiatrists, neurobiologists and social scientists...are you? Because that's what it implies when you keep saying 'it's wrong!' with little more than your personal feelpinion attached as evidence.

>>25877983
Why don't you refute us by explaining your personal stance on why depression is valid. Maybe if you type it out, you realize you're spewing shit.

I know my problem, but can't solve it. I'm depressed because I have a major lack of self-esteem. I don't know how to improve it, I've tried faking it but it doesn't work.
Even with all my achievements (no matter how small), I can't seem to bring myself to love myself, both my physical and psychical aspects. Paradoxically enough, at the same time I consider myself superior to most people in my surroundings. How does shit like this happen, having both major lack of self-esteem and thinking you're better than almost everyone else?
I fluctuate between these two extremes and it's driving me mad. Sometimes I feel like I'm not defined as a person even, probably because I examine everything and am a major skeptic, so I don't know what to think about most things.
My life is hell, I wish I could fix this fucking problem.

>>25871918

Why not both? That's what I'm doing. :)

Sometimes depression is caused by things you have no control over.

>>25878075
Forget external validation and focus on crowning achievements for yourself. Paradoxically, you should learn to spend constructive time by yourself first before focusing on others. Find something distracting, focus on something. There is hope, just don't buy into the dumb shit. >>25878115
You have control over your emotions.
>>25878097
Pick one :)

BEWARE THE SKELLINGTON MAN. HE HAS FORETOLD THAT 5 POSTS DOWN WILL BE DUBS. BEWAAAAREEEE

>>25878267
bullshit. the skellington man is false.

>>25878128
>Forget external validation and focus on crowning achievements for yourself. Paradoxically, you should learn to spend constructive time by yourself first before focusing on others. Find something distracting, focus on something.
I'm really introverted and have major social anxiety, so my only interests are my backlogs. I watch movies, read books etc. Sadly, it's getting harder and harder for me to do this, even though it was an ease before the depression started. It started somewhere in mid-2015 I'd say.
>You have control over your emotions.
I feel like I don't. Sometimes I feel extremely confident and satisfied in myself, the other time I feel like a worthless pile of shit. Inbeween these two states I feel varying degrees of bitterness, resignation, not-giving-a-fuckness and a small amount of happiness.

>>25871918
Most mental "illnesses" are a joke.

Especially shit like dyslexia or AHHD. 99% of the time, it is because the parents and/or school do a shit job of raising the kid, and make up diseases so they will not feel it is their fault.

>>25878349
If I were you, I'd examine the root cause of this, at around mid-2015. Find the source of it all, what set in motion these events. You can break the chains, of course you can. At times it might feel as if you're sawing away at the chains with a butter knife, but your hope and willpower will turn that butter knife into the most powerful weapon you could ever imagine. Remember, there is no spoon. You control it. It bends to YOUR will. I believe in you, mate. All the power to you in the struggle to take back your life.

>>25878353
Fully agreed. Majority of people claiming otherwise are simply deluded.

>>25878443
I think I already examined the root. It's the time I asked a girl out (I'm 19 by the way, 20 this year), and I got turned down. Later in the same year, I asked two girls (first one then the other) to go out for a drink, both turned me down. I'm well aware both were a 10 on a scale, but I really don't want to lower my standards (although I could settle with anything above 6, but these two were the only ones who interested me). Even though all three of these females were shallow in every sense of that word, I still wanted to try out something with them, probably because looks in combination with other things (their voice, how they talk, the look they give etc). I've been having self-esteem problems for a long time, because I've been verbally bullied in elementary school, every day, but I never had any depression because my interests (literature, movies, games etc) are what kept me going and when I didn't study, I'd dedicate myself completely to them (social life was a literal zero, I only went out with "friends" a few times). But I think that since last year I started thinking more about this topic and after experiencing all this feeling bitter. Bitter about how the whole world works, how many deluded people there are. Not only this, but subconsciously I started giving way more importance to females and my success with them, even though I never even thought of them until mid-2015 and spent time indoors enjoying my shit.
cont.

>>25878075
>How does shit like this happen, having both major lack of self-esteem and thinking you're better than almost everyone else?

You're a tremendous asshole? It's not medical, that's for sure.

>>25878349
>major social anxiety,

Oh, a MAJOR case of another fake disease. s.mh.

If half you anons where as committed to work as you are spewing self-indulgent jive, that might help.

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>>25878075
It's called being a narcissistic cunt.

>>25878353
>Especially shit like dyslexia or AHHD. 99% of the time, it is because the parents and/or school do a shit job of raising the kid, and make up diseases so they will not feel it is their fault.

But then how would you sell them drugs?

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>>25878353
>>25878473
Have yet another brain scan in refutation of these assertions.

>>25878569
cont.
So basically, even though I want to break free and be like my old self again (at least in the "not give a shit about women" way, I don't want the self-esteem of my old self, it's still almost as low as the one I have now), it seems that subconsciously I've given a lot of importance to women and shit related to them, so my self-esteem even suffered more when that happened. When I go to my uni and see certain males, even though they're not mean to me or anything (on the contrary, when we talk we have a really friendly chat), I feel so little next to them, I feel like a failure. I feel like everyone sees me as some kind of failure, someone who has low self-esteem. Like they can see through me, and they probably can, because I'm so fucking quiet and almost never talk to anyone, I don't approach anyone other than <10 people I know closely, I seldom walk through the room as I feel like I'm being stared down by everybody.
I've been thinking - why did I start paying attention to women so much? I feel like two factors are to blame.
>started working out (nothing special, calisthenics at home) and lost around 18kgs (this probably subconsciously made me have at least some self-confidence in my looks, when I had none before this because I was a fatass)
>redpill philosophy which I've known for a long time, but started thinking about more often
Also third thing falls on my mind, although it's probably bullshit - hormones.

>>25878569
You probably don't want to hear this because it means there is nothing wrong with you but you sound like you are a completely typical, egocentric, slightly immature 19 year old.

>bitter about how the whole world works
kek

>>25873833

You keep linking articles published by the same intuitions we are criticizing, and calling it 'proof'.

I mean mentalhealthdailey.com?


What do you think thay're going o dsay?

That's like linking a Jezebel article to prove the patriarchy exists.

Ridiculous. I only clicked on the first one. It didn't even have a credited author.

PUHleeze.

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>>25878692
Here's yet another one for those who continue to doubt that ADHD doesn't imply structural or functional differences compared to otherwise healthy control subjects.

>>25878353
does me having psychosis count as having an illness or is it another "made up" disease

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>>25878638
More images, this time for anxiety/OC.

>>25878782
Everything's made up anon! Who gives a shit about the last fifty years of science?! Twas all a maymay created by TEH JOOZ to drug our kids and take our money :^)

>>25878640
>"narcissistic"
>having both major lack of self-esteem and thinking you're better than almost everyone else?
>major lack of self-esteem
>narcissistic
As far as I'm aware, I should only be thinking I was better than everyone else if that was the case.

>>25878595
Not helping.

>>25878749
>You probably don't want to hear this because it means there is nothing wrong with you
What? I want nothing to be wrong with me.
> but you sound like you are a completely typical, egocentric, slightly immature 19 year old
I have no problems with being typical, but how many other people have such a high level of self-awareness, so much that they, for example, constantly are thinking about others observing them, constantly feel stared down?
Let's say you're right though. Does this mean I will "grow out" of this?
>kek
What's funny about that?

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More brain scans of supposedly 'fake' mental illnesses...
>this triggers the science denialist

>>25878692
Pictures of brain scans without direct evidence of a disease are just pics of brain scans that social scientists link to umquantifiable feelings like 'sadness' or 'feeling better'

It's NOT science or medicne, not mater how many times you post it.

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>>25878852
Huh, for fake illnesses, these scans are showing a lot of non-baseline metabolic function! Thank goodness we've got all these wise anonymous posters on /r9k/ who know better than to fall for JOO science. Surely they'll save our scientific community from making such terrible mistakes!

>>25878897
>he still thinks neurobiology is a social science!

>>25878819
Wait the psychology industry justifying itself? These pics prove nada, and I think deep down you know it.

Do they at least keep mommy from making you get a job?

>>25878852
Posting studies from these people:

http://brainmdhealth.com/

brain vitamins? s.m.h

Again, posting more bullshit from the psychology industry isn't proof.

>>25878852

This is literally what the site of the image you posted is selling.

http://www.brainmdhealth.com/books-and-media


you fraud.

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>>25878820
>having both major lack of self-esteem and thinking you're better than almost everyone else?

That's exactly what narcissism is.

Normie bropsyche thread?

Normie bropsyche thread.

>>25879046
Alright, let's check the symptoms then.
>An obvious self-focus in interpersonal exchanges
Nope.
>Problems in sustaining satisfying relationships
Yes.
>A lack of psychological awareness (see insight in psychology and psychiatry, egosyntonic)
>Difficulty with empathy
>Problems distinguishing the self from others (see narcissism and boundaries)
>Hypersensitivity to any insults or imagined insults (see criticism and narcissists, narcissistic rage and narcissistic injury)
>Vulnerability to shame rather than guilt
>Haughty body language
>Flattery towards people who admire and affirm them (narcissistic supply)
>Detesting those who do not admire them (narcissistic abuse)
>Using other people without considering the cost of doing so
>Pretending to be more important than they really are
>Bragging (subtly but persistently) and exaggerating their achievements
>Claiming to be an "expert" at many things
>Inability to view the world from the perspective of other people
>Denial of remorse and gratitude
Definitely "no" to all of these.
What now? Also, no mention self-loathing and lack of self-esteem in those symptoms.

I would never kill myself alone but with a group I would, anyone wanna meet up?

>>25878075
r u me?

>>25878820
>As far as I'm aware, I should only be thinking I was better than everyone else if that was the case.
No. What you said is literally the epitome of narcissism. But don't dabble in psychological definitions since most of it's bullshit anyway.

>>25879218
See >>25879155
Plus, it makes no fucking sense to think you're literally better than everyone else and then have major self-esteem issues or hate yourself.

>>25879259
Well the theory goes that narcissism, AKA a strong feeling of superiority, is merely a defense mechanism against your inherent feeling of inferiority. Narcissists seek to hold up their delusional image of self by all means necessary to keep the lie alive. Deep down they know they're worthless still, and that's why they don't take criticism or not seeming better than others well.

>>25879420
But I take criticism well, and I'm well aware of people being better than me in most things.

>>25879460
But I never said you're a narcissist. I merely explained how a strong sense of inferiority goes hand in hand with a strong sense of superiority in narcissism. Something that seemed confusing for you.

>>25879536
Oh, that.
Any way to fix my problem?

Narcissism isn't a disease either.

>>25879021
What happened to Anon and all his bullshit brain-scan evidence?

kek. Of course it was quackery.

The depressive manboys of r9k are no better than the obese crazy women of tumblr.

So utterly full of shit.