>>25871975 Your nihilistic behaviour is toxic, the idleness of the mind is a silent rogue of destruction. Either improve your habits so you can outgrow this phase or kill yourself. Same goes for >>25872001
>>25872016 Just because the infinity of things intimidates you doesn't mean you are destined for nothingness. By that logic, just lay here and type away, don't get up and eat, it won't matter. Just literally rot in your chair.
If I was goodlooking then girls would be attracted to me and my social status would increase, therefore more men would want to hang out with me. I have no underlying mental issues. The only reason I'm here is that I was unfortunate to be born with unattractive genetics
>>25872054 I wonder what that says about me. Still, my statement still stands. >>25872056 Agreed. Tough love is necessary. >>25872079 This is tough, because humans are social creatures. I have never had any intimate relationships with anyone. I don't consider myself unattractive, although I do have a large nose. I don't care what people think of me. It is upsetting to be alone, but the depression that is associated with prolonged isolation is something that you can outgrow if you truly will it. These times, it is cool to be depressed and sad. It isn't. It's pathetic. Seems like everyone wants a defining trait, something to make people feel bad for them. >>25872122 This can be said about Alzheimer's disease, but not feeling down in the dumps. >>25872148 Please elaborate.
>>25872122 Yes but only when you exhaust all imepdiments like addictions (drugs, video games, pornography), or lack of stimulation (loneliness, lack of education), or the nutrition or exercise, then you can safely conclude that there is inherent deficiency and imbalance which requires medication.
How common is lack of above things, and how common is true idiopathic disorder which requires medication.
Used to be like you when i was in college, with crippling social anxiety too. Eventually,stuff happenned, i didn't care much about looks nor females, i only cared about making the best out of my life and becoming great.
Girls started getting attracted to me, i still didn't care tho. You're putting women on pedestal.Stop that. And please, no matter what, don't fap to femdom or cuck porn, people won't tell you but it's toxic as fuck for your mind.Its your life anyway,do as you please
Unless you are extremely ugly, your face shouldn't be a problem
It is noteworthy that some people (keep in mind these people are not as superfluous as teenagers or whatever that claim they have these symptoms) actually suffer from 'depression'; for example, soldiers who have been exposed to death and violence for a prolonged period of time may find it difficult to return to normal society, and because of this, they may feel alone, which has its own associated grief. This is accelerated by everything else they've seen, but if they were to take the necessary steps to avoid that period of their lives, to will themselves as much as humanely possible, then they, too, can live their lives normally. Either that, or they should kill themselves.
>>25872328 This anon has the right idea. There is salvation for everyone, and it is foolish to believe that it is one certain thing. This is a fundamental fact of life. There will come a time where you come across something that you want to happen so bad. You can want that one girl to change her thoughts and come to you, arms open. You can wish for it to happen, you can wish God or whatever to make her magically appear in your embrace, but it won't happen. No matter how hard you try, some things like this will not happen. And no matter how hard you want to believe that it will be the thing that brings to the highest level of happiness, it isn't.
>>25872416 So if you are sad (don't get all defensive and say it's so much more than being sad and spew some spoken word shit about how depression is literally the worst thing ever), it is beyond your body's abilities to improve your lifestyle? You cannot change your habits, or at least try to remove yourself/examine the cause of the toxic environment that shaped the sadness? Pretty pathetic, in my opinion. The second option I stated originally is for people like you. Please kill yourself if you have exhausted every other option.
this shit makes you a fucking slave to the pussy. Think about what can go wrong when you feel enslaved and unable to think rationally. Anyway,believe it is perfectly healthy if you want to,none oof my businss
>>25872515 It isn't about me and my sexual interests. It's about you. Stop trying to pin me down. I am critiquing your sexual desires because they are toxic. This gender role reversal desire is not your own doing. It is objectively toxic. You are not normal, that's the issue . It isn't about me, because I am attracted to females in a healthy manner. I don't want them to peg my asshole because I am not a sexual deviant. You are, and that's what I pointed out. But because you are hell-bent on defending your toxicity, you poke fun at me and encourage all forms of sexual diversity (people can be different! 2016 now).
>>25872472 >toxic environment and what about the biological causes? The ones the scientists I linked you to are looking into?
I am sure someone with herculean willpower could fake happiness all their lives, but why would they do that? They are not really happy.
>The second option I stated originally is for people like you. I don't have depression, I am only responding because I hate normies and enjoy proving you are cunts, which you have just done. Thankyou. I will masturbate over this.
>>25872596 You are not living if you are as depressed as you, presumably, claim you are (status quo, not sure about you as an individual). Either better yourself and stop whining about the horrors of feeling sad, or kill yourself.
>>25872620 >They are not really happy. Then they are still feeling like a Debby Downer, and should kill themselves because they didn't try hard enough, or they are a lost cause. >I don't have depression Sorry, I apologize if I accused you. Yes, everyone else is a normie. Enjoy sexual deviancy and the fourth grade.
>>25872684 Let's actually entertain this, because it's a good point. Let's say there is someone who feels sad and doesn't post about it (unlikely, but probable). So you are a sad guy who lives alone and never talks about it. In the end, you will either kill yourself because it is irritating being sad every single day (this is depression, feeling sad. You can't bounce back and decide you're depressed on Sundays, because then it's just emotions. We all shift from happiness to sadness; the important part is the shift) or you live your life until you die, completely alone. The first option is much easier, because then you won't have to literally spend 50 years living when you don't enjoy it (why do you live if you are sad every day, just kill yourself. It's easier). You must also realize that you can, at any point, fix your behaviour and try to entertain yourself so you aren't always sad, gaining the shift that I was talking about.
>>25872764 Go defend your philosophy degree elsewhere. You are just insulting people now. >>25872803 I disagree. Why do you think all humans are helpless? Is all life helpless? Or are we this way because we can entertain high degrees of thought. Why does this make us helpless? Why does acknowledging this 'helplessness' make you helpless? Couldn't you, as a person, challenge it and deem it acceptable or bogus?
This ape is more popular than you.He will exist far longer than you will when you are dead, buried and forgotten. He will still be existing and known throughout the world. You are less popular than computer generated ape and that very ape shall exist far longer than you ever will.
>>25872865 >Why do you think all humans are helpless? 1. all people die no matter what they do. 2. success is not up to the individual (you can put in effort but never know what might come out of it, if anything) 3. luck (be it genetic or social) plays a central role in human life
>>25873138 This does not warrant idleness of the mind. If it does, for you, then kill yourself. >>25873185 1. Okay. Does the lion stop hunting for food because it knows it will get hungry. What do you think children are. Children are, technically speaking, the closest way you can immortalize yourself. 2. That does not mean you shouldn't try. Never stop trying. Define success for yourself. That is the beauty of life. 3. I agree. >>25873253 I'm sorry to hear that. However, I believe you can try to find that one thing. Just something to pass the time. Next thing you know, you won't have the time to be sad, unless you truly want to be in that state. If you have exhausted all options, then follow the implications of >>25873280
>>25873302 1. doesn't really change the point that you will die. you can eat to delay death but you'll still day i.e you're helpless in that regard. 2. >the closest way you can immortalize yourself. doesn't change the fact that you, your parents, and everyone you know will die 2. you can still try, but you have no control over the outcome, i.e you're helpless in that regard. 3. ok
>>25873313 If you enjoy being sad (an oxymoron), then this is abnormal. You, yourself, can alter your toxic habits to better your life, to actually enjoy it. If you have tried this and truly enjoy being sad (or have tricked yourself into believing this), then kill yourself. >>25873434 I don't want the impression that I'm like >>25873471 to come across; I hope you find your solution. >>25873441 Then wait for death. Nobody is arguing against the fact of death, I am arguing about death during life, which is essentially the sadness some people seem to wallow in and complain about. If you believe this, then wait for death. Don't delay the inevitable, just kill yourself if you truly believe this. >>25873479 You are after the wrong things, if the picture is related. Find it in your own heart. Learn to draw. I suggest this. Create something and marvel upon your work. Frame it so it reminds you of your immortal success. As long as the frame stands, so will your legacy. If you don't like how it looks, try again. Soon, you will be so preoccupied that you will have forgotten to be sad.
>>25873537 Yes, everybody else is a normie. Okay. I'm guessing you enjoy sadness. If that's the case, then kill yourself. Otherwise, why do you defend their case? Actually use words, don't just spew memes and shit.
>>25873543 they're sad because they know what's going to happen, they don't want it to happen, and they can't do anything about it - that's healthy psychology. the "happy" people are deluded people who managed to shrink their consciousness to avoid the facts of life (read E.Becker for more details). not really sure what killing myself has to do with this but thanks for the tip
>>25872818 >(unlikely, but probable) (possible) what makes you even think this? >this is depression, feeling sad deppression is not just 'feeling sad', it's very different. To describe it in such a way is just insulting people who actually are depressed. >You can't bounce back and decide you're depressed on Sundays, because then it's just emotions what does this even mean?
>>25873631 You are correct. I retract my statement. Although Big Pharma is a meme, just call it the Reptilians or the Zionists. Oh wait... >>25873635 Yes, everyone is a normie. It's their fault you feel sad :'( >>25873688 Checked. Also, okay, Mr. Science Man. The chemicals made me like that. Doesn't change the fact that you still have the power to fix your 'condition'. >>25873692 Maybe, all the same to me. Apologies if that's the case. >>25873697 The people who you are referring to who are actually depressed are veterans of war, and even they are salvageable because they will it to be so, they remove themselves from the habits that made them so sad. What I mean by "just emotions" is that someone who feels sad one day, but is excited for other things, is just human, not as sad as they claim. Everyone feels sad, and the people who claim their sadness is worth more than others are deluded and should kill themselves. >>25873734 >>25873760 Stop arguing with them. They'll be dead by Friday because of their delusions.
>>25873734 >Try doing better at life what does this mean even? i lift weights and become better at picking up heavy things. i work 5x a week and become better at buying things. but what can i do to become better at being happy? no fucking idea
Over the past two decades the pharmaceutical industry has moved very far from its original high purpose of discovering and producing useful new drugs. Now primarily a marketing machine to sell drugs of dubious benefit, this industry uses its wealth and power to co-opt every institution that might stand in its way, including the US Congress, the FDA, academic medical centers, and the medical profession itself.
>>25873795 I feel the same way, but I don't just stop there. I don't try a bit and that's it. Not saying you don't try hard enough, but if you tried as hard as you are, but spread that effort to many other niches, you might see different results. >>25873798 To think that people who are just down in the dumps are prescribed these kinds of medication is just pathetic. >>25873833 I agree with you to an extent, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try or half-ass it. This is your life we're talking about. >>25873850 I meant it's a meme because of how frequently it is used as a big evil corporation. Even though it is and you are correct, the name sounds like something on the back of a soccer mom's van.
>>25873880 >Denying biology in favor of emotion. >>>/tumblr/ >>>/reddit/
>>25873876 This is why robots should go on a regimen of stimulants. It would help those who don't have biological problems, but lifestyle problems get out of the cycle, and would help those with biological problems actually function.
>>25873794 >people who you are referring to who are actually depressed are veterans of war what? >Everyone feels sad, and the people who claim their sadness is worth more than others are deluded and should kill themselves. This is all besides the point. The point is that depression is not just sadness, it isn't even an extreme of sadness, it is different in nature.
I feel as if we've deviated from my original post.
This is the point. Your life is the most precious thing you have ever been given. Nobody is arguing against death and how it is not the ultimate decider. I am saying that you owe it to yourself to at least try, to put up a good fight, instead of wallow in your own guilt and shit the bed and complain about the smell.
Also>>25873926 you are literally too stupid to insult. >>25873947 Agreed. >>25873953 Disagree. It is malleable, but only if you possess the willpower. It is sadness, don't overcomplicate and enable the faggots who deserve death if they are that deluded. >>25873933 I disagree that downing pills is the answer to some introspective analysis and maturity, >>25873990 Agreed, again. >>25873976 Yes, they are all special snowflakes. They need drugs. Hey, tell them to drink whiskey with all their drugs too. Maybe that'll kill 'em faster.
>>25874017 Introspective analysis and maturity are independent from willpower. Many robots are somewhat introspective already. Many people who lead normal lives posses no self awareness.
Stimulants help with motivation, fixing lethargy. There have been many threads where robots marvel at how much stimulants, such as adderaul help them function as normal people. Anecdotal evidence is weak, but it is still evidence nonetheless.
>>25874101 A valid point, but there are alternatives that are natural. I used maturity because the majority of these people are sad by their own accord, so this is an example of immaturity (by their own accord because they possess the power to alter their situation, whether they believe in this or not, it is true).
>>25874017 >It is malleable, but only if you possess the willpower Surely everyone would have the willpower to be happy because evryone wants to be happy-it's intrinsic. In other words, you do not will to be happy or sad, you just are. Think about it like this-some people live perfectly good and 'fullfilled' lives and yet are still unhappy.
>>25874157 Everyone does have the willpower, some people seem to ignore it or downplay themselves to the point where, just like a muscle, their willpower grows weak, so weak that they are beyond saving. Then, they should kill themselves. It is the only way out.
>>25874123 Except Psychology doesn't adhere to the scientific methods. There are five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability.
Sorry, but these psychological studies do not adhere to those processes.
>>25874147 You are correct in assuming many of the people here have eletrochemical problems caused by their own stupidity. The neet lifestyle, irregular hours, frequent masturbation, sedentary behavior, affect natural neurotransmitter regulation. However, once it starts, it becomes cyclical.
And by stimulants, I was also referring to natural alternatives, such as caffeine. Anything that will help break the cycle is enough.
>>25874118 i don't understand what you're trying to say. it's like you're arguing that depressed people just choose to feel that way, and can get out of it if they try harder. in some instances (if you like that word better than cases) there is nothing the individual could do to feel happiness again. even more commonly the affected person has NOT THE FAINTEST CLUE how to feel happy again. this is my case, saying "improve yourself idiot" isn't helping at all. i got a job, i lift, i am doing all the standard shit that is supposed to be constructive and it's not working.
>>25874201 I agree, but too much can just add to the problem (i.e. too much caffeine can become addictive, leading to a paradoxical sedentary lifestyle because their lives revolve around caffeine. Not necessarily something as 'tame' as caffeine, but you get the point).
>>25874217 I am sorry to hear that, but I truly believe if you put in the effort that you believe your life is worth into expanding your horizons to find something that defines you (or at least distracts you from the sadness), then you will be redeemed.
>>25874307 Don't argue with them. They are so far down the rabbit hole they're willing to die to convince themselves what they have is legitimate. Just let them rot away, they'll off themselves by the end of this month.
>>25874342 >thinking it takes a lot of figuring out that once you have a problem with attitude you should fix it by changing the attitude
I'll disagree with op and say that depression might be caused by brain damage/maldevelopment in 0.05% or whatever cases of "depression" but once you say that you can't or aren't willing to do something that you either need or want to do, then you're not talking about depression anymore. That's either laziness, stupidity, or incompetence. The mistake pussies and women make is thinking depression has anything to do with how much you can accomplish or how much energy you actually have.
>>25874403 >less fortunate Depression studies show that normal exercise is a better treatment than any drug people have come up with. Then it gets even better if they take a bunch of therapy and basically distract themselves from being "less fortunate" aka bored and retarded.
You can recommend anything you want but ultimately the only cure there will ever be for depression is literally to stop thinking about being depressed and getting on with your life
>>25874470 i used to do graphics design a lot, playing around with photoshop. it got old quick, i only use it now if i actually have something i want edited, like a photo or an image at work (i work in Web design & database management). art has never been something i enjoyed or appreciated. i don't even listen to music because it's just noise to me
In the past five years of study psychology at college, doing recreational drugs and forcing myself out of my comfort zone, I have come to the conclusion that my depression may not be 'curable', but I can sort of 'freeze it over' by changing my view and expectations of my life.
I think many of us are depressed because we are very aware of the ephemeral and fleeting nature of happiness, and because of our bleak yet realistic view of how our lives will transpire.
Just accept it. The key to getting out of depression is stepping out of your existential crisis into the chilling climate of nihilism where you can accept the world and your life for what it is and probably will be, instead of constantly torturing yourself by longing for what you dont have.
>>25874558 It feels like graphics design was more of a task than a leisurely activity. Try to find the thing that you find most tolerable and let it grow on you, If that's not the case, then exercise. Cook meals for yourself from scratch. I'm not sure what will be the answer for you, but the important thing is that you try. I believe in you, but that will only get you so far.
>>25874592 >too dumb Good argument >break the cycle That's not how drugs work >basic reasoning The basic reasoning is in applying the best solution to a problem, in this case looking at it as a behavioral challenge rather than a psychiatric one. If you have brain damage maybe it's a different problem altogether and using "basic reasoning" trying out different pills and shortcuts for depression will make the cycle that never existed in the first place, rather than breaking anything
>>25874674 Okay. The anon is a normie faggot. So am I. Just leave then. Let the adults talk shop while you convince yourself you are yooneeq because of your crippling cancer. Oh wait, you can cure some types of cancer. I guess it's just depression then! The last hurdle of human civilization!
>>25874718 Anon, facts and reality are not bullying. Grow up. How can you possibly help these people if you refuse to accept reality? Depression is not a disease. Everyone needs to move forward from that point.
>>25874721 In response to this anon and many others wondering how to fix themselves. There is an old Spanish proverb that states: "Habits start out as cobwebs, but grow into chains." It takes time and effort. Observe the chains here >>25874746
>>25874632 i cook every meal i eat because i am anal about my nutrition. the only thing i spend money on apart from food, gas, and rent/utilities is supplements to try to stay healthy. i lift as well, i am decently fit. it's not enjoyable at all but i'm a 5'6 manlet so if i'm not in great shape i'm basically fucked in the physical attractiveness department
i don't even need a leisurely activity. fun isnt so important, i just want a purpose. fuck i would be happy digging holes in the dirt all day if that was truly my destiny and it needed to be done.
>>25871918 I dont consider myself very depressive person but still it cripples my life socially. It's just something snaps in me and negativity overflows my mind. It's like being hyper realistic about life - why do anything if no matter what you'll do you'll still be dead? Why put effort in anything if after death it wont concern you? Once you lose your hope and innocence towards world, you start seeing world in real colors and that sight makes me depressive.
>>25874910 I am not going to fix your life for you. If you lash out at the person who says you are still redeemable, then you are too far gone. Refer to the second option, please. Or fix your own life. Beats me, I don't care what happens to you. Nobody does.
To the people posting scientific data that says depression exists, consider the following. Antidepressants are one of the biggest portions in the prescription pill industry. It would make sense that there be "irrefutable evidence and how dare you say otherwise" supporting it. Being sad is not even in the same league as anything that deserves being prescribed pills for it.
I don't have depression right now though, OP. I was just diagnosed with schizophrenia a week ago. Is that a disease of the will too? What did I ever do to deserve this?
There's a group of three powerful businessmen who are torturing me through different tests. They send demons after me while I'm trying to sleep, they stick flies into all my meals, and they fill my head with false information. Every day I think about killing myself just to get rid of these endless trials, to be done with this madness. If this is a test of my will, I'm not strong enough for this, I'm going to break at any moment. I don't know what I did to deserve this punishment, I don't know how I've offended the three men. I try to be a good person. Some higher power must have summoned them just to toy with me, to see just how far the human spirit can bend. Please somebody just make it stop.
>>25872328 >unless you are extremely ugly I wouldn't be complaining about it unless I was. I've worked in a shop and witnessed the halo effect firsthand, the difference between how a pretty girl is treated compared to someone similar to me in looks is monumental. Lazy fuckers who normally just stand around on their phones go out of their way to help Stacy while ugly people are treated like scum
>>25875080 I'm not depressed. I don't think I am, I don't have a diagnosis, I don't have symptoms.
I'm just telling you you're a moron if you're denying the existence of things we've imaged.
Again, see: >>25874971 It's a literal image of the things you say are "just a theory"...do you even know what "theory" means in the context of scientific inquiry?
I mean, the fact that we have well controlled studies in rats with knock out genes being treated by various medications shown to have a literal binding in the brain using positron imaging would indicate you're either... >a troll >uneducated to the point of appearing as one. I'll err with the first to give you benefit of the doubt.
>>25871918 Depression is a disease influenced By Demons, they make you feel It's your own thoughts. Demons don't need to appear to people Or possess them, they just pull the strings I had severe depression, also drug addiction. I was doomed. But Jesus had mercy of my soul. He saved me, after I started truly Devoting myself, my life turned around Completely. I'm a functional human being Jesus even prepared a devout Christian girlfriend Just like myself. I know I don't belong here anymore I'm still here to talk about Jesus for those Willing to listen. Jesus loves your soul.
>>25875159 >I'm just telling you you're a moron if you're denying the existence of things we've imaged.
They exist. They aren't evidnce of depression though. That's an intellectually dishonest leap you are making. There are theories/studies 'linking' it to 'depression', which if you know how social science works in academia, means little to nothing. It's not actual evidence.
You're not only a moron, you're a moron with an agenda. And it shows.
>>25875315 >>25875276 http://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v4/n9/full/nrd1825.html ^From Nature, not a social science journal.
http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273(07)00975-0?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0896627307009750%3Fshowall%3Dtrue&cc=y= ^From Neuron, not a social science journal.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0028390804003855 ^From Neuropharmacology, not a social science journal.
>>25875340 This is what I meant by "beats me". I'm saying I am not as retarded as those people who enjoy wallowing in sadness. I am not abnormal. That's why it is beyond me that some idiots can, as I said, shit the bed and complain about the smell, while simultaneously enjoying it not enough to change anything.
>>25875315 >>neurobiologists a most neurology, in practice, is a social science. Sorry.
I am not certain. I am a scientist and open minded. But evidence is evidence, and theories are theories. MReal science is based on the the scientific method, and everything else is susceptible to money and politics.
>>25873543 True depression is a chemical imbalance. Being a fair hand at illustration does not change this. Changing my lifestyle does not change this. Talking with other people does not change this (and usually makes it worse as they just tell me it is all my own fault). I am just hanging around and eating pain until such time as I chose to project it outwards. Pic related, I drew it.
>>25875425 >>25875415 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006322303009521 ^From Biological Psychiatry, not a social science journal.
http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v21/n1s/full/1395371a.html ^From Neuropsychopharmacology, not a social science journal.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306452207016648 ^From Neuroscience, not a social science journal.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1460-9568.2003.02960.x/abstract;jsessionid=C40322716B3F4DEAF9D1EB402ACDC98C.f02t03?userIsAuthenticated=false&deniedAccessCustomisedMessage= ^From Euro Journal of Neuroscience, not a social science journal.
http://www.jneurosci.org/content/26/20/5554.short ^From Journal of Neuroscience, not a social science journal.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165614702020175 ^From Trends in Psychopharm Sciences, not a social science journal.
>>25875452 In the case of actual psychiatric emergency, you will be held on invol until committed to an institution with multiple psychiatirc doctors whom have...what degree to psychiatric professionals get again...? That's right, I'd forgotten... >An MD
>>25875514 If you feel this way, then kill yourself . You seem to just be waiting for death. >>25875536 Refer to the other linked post to see what I mean. It is illogical. I say they enjoy it because if you hate something, you'd change it. And this is perfectly curable, it is through your own determination. The only other explanation is that they get off on it, so they wallow in it. Pathetic, really.
>>25873697 People who aren't depressed are never going to admit that depression exists, because to do so is too depressing. To them, it's all in your head, and you are not depressed because the world sucks and no one wants to do anything but make it worse, you are depressed because you chose to be.
>>25875606 >Ignorant This is the same logic fat people or feminists use when they try and pawn off their shortcomings. Grow up, or if you truly believe your words, kill yourself. It is the only option left if you can't fix your current state.
>making the best out of your life nice meme you will eventually rot, and everybody you knew, know or will know will rot too. Nothing you did during your life matters as it will be forgotten as you're rotting. "Making the best out of your life" is just a sad, cowardly way to forget that your life is utterly pointless and worthless.
>>25875452 I have been to the ER a couple times because I was depressed. I get psychotic depression, where the sadness and pain is so severe I start hearing voices that tell me to kill myself. Once you say those magic words, the doctors check on their little clipboards "yep, this guy is nuts; take him to the psych ward".
>>25875797 Is it though? The psychologists were raised around these same delusions (most everyone is), so this is the outcome. More nutcases who can't think twice and just down everything they're given instead of actually trying to fix themselves. It's almost as if these people have been tortured by some Victorian doll or something for 30 years and are just now seeing the light of day. Chilling stuff, she doesn't like you back.
>>25875797 No, I never saw a psychologist while I was in the hospital, only a psychiatrist. He gave me an atypical anti-psychotic, which made the voices go away after a few days. Anti-psychotics have a very good efficacy for treating hallucinations of all kinds, and we have a pretty clear idea of how they work.
>>25875863 These ailments have no proven physical manifestations. Psychologists treat them, but obviously can't cure anything. It's up to you seriously you take them, but it's most assuredly not science.
>>25875907 Okay, it's all bait. The social scientists and everyone else who makes a buck off of your delusions are right. You can try as hard as you can and grow up to contribute something to the world and better yourself, none of that will ever work. Just hormones, and some other stuff. Certainly not me. Nope. Illogical. And ignorant. Kill yourself, please.
>>25875923 >These ailments have no proven physical manifestations. Psychologists treat them, but obviously can't cure anything. It's up to you seriously you take them, but it's most assuredly not science. >>25875907 >>25875848 >>25875618 I'm going to keep linking you to my posts until you address them.
Life is suffering and tedium broken up by brief and fleeting mime Yafo happiness. It is better that we never existed in the first place. You are born into a losing battle, struggle for a fee decades and return to nothing. What's the point?
>>25875966 Everyone read this. What you are experiencing is sadness, because you didn't get what you wanted. Boo hoo, grow up and stop making a big deal out of it. You have the power to fix yourself. If you truly tried as hard as you could and are a coward, kill yourself.
>>25876033 Exactly. What these assholes are trying to do is hijack the definition of 'science'. And they will use all of the political power at their disposable to get away with it. Psychology isn't science. Period.
>>25876033 Refute the studies. I'm just going to keep asking you until you have some actual substantive argument against them.
You keep saying social science, but the journals I linked are from neurobio sources. You keep saying psychologist when you've been directed by multiple people to the fact that the only people who hand out medications for psychiatric illness are psychiatrists, who have an MD, making them physicians.
Seriously, I'll leave you alone when you actually address any of this...if you think you can revise the entirety of our understanding of neuroscience, I suggest getting a degree in it or at the very least sending in your refutations to the journals linked above.
>>25875980 I'm a pessimistic antinatalist. Life is bad and is not worth imposing on people. The suffering entailed in life does not begin to justify the pleasures that can be found. Better to have never been.
>>25875707 Yea, its not like there have been tins of links and evidence posted. Go ahead and tell whomever that depression doesn't exist. Clearly it does, or you wouldn't have anything to argue against.
>>25876230 >no refutations Go through their methodology and tell me what's wrong. Go through their results and tell me what's more likely. Evaluate their statistics and tell me what's wrong with them. Look at their imaging and gene sequencing and tell me how they were undermined.
If you can't do that, you're just pissing in the wind, m8.
>>25876486 I'm the guy who has been asking you to refute these studies and theories and brain images.
I don't even disagree that things like exercise help more than some SSRIs (though not as much as SSRAs), I just want you to actually do some refutation instead of plugging your fingers in your ear, closing your eyes, and saying the structural changes observed in both images and controlled experimentation don't exist.
If you had a remotely serious leg to stand on, we'd be seeing some exegesis from you on WHY the material isn't right, not just that it's wrong.
>>25876284 What exactly doi you consider "evidence.". Things you already agree with? Analytical theory backed by evidence? Something else? I am genuinely curious, as it is not often I encounter someone so ignorant of thier world as to believe it is factual.
What about bipolar disorder? Is that not real either?
I'm pretty sure the manic highs and depressive lows I get aren't normal brain reactions, I'm not usually manic/depressed for a particular reason. I can't just will them away because there's not ever a single root cause for them that I can just fix. Sometimes my episodes are so intense I have a psychotic break from reality, I get delusions that I can't shake away. If I'm manic, I'm convinced I'm very important, can talk to God, and have supernatural powers. If I'm depressed, I think every car that pulls up outside is filled with people trying to assassinate me. I get very vivid visual hallucinations, which I can touch and interact with.
I dunno, it doesn't sound like my condition can just be willed away. Sounds more like my brain can't regulate its chemistry. That's why my brain reacts well to medication, the meds balance my neurotransmitters. I'll admit that I do self-therapy to help counter negative thoughts during depressive episodes, it's definitely a good add-on to medication but not a substitute.
>>25876486 My problem though is having no feasible aspiration. There's nothing for me that is worth doing, as no thing done would contribute to any goal. Any goal I have is either impossible or requiring of an entire career's pay to reach, but I want to live the goals, not the grind. I'm not sure how related my points there were, I'm just gonna hit post though.
>>25876663 The problem with a lot of people these days is that they are living a rich person's lifestyle. Eating rich, driving rich, acting rich. If your goals are too high, so high that you need that much money, you are looking for the wrong things. Expand your horizons, fight back for your life, make something of yourself, distract yourself, do something that you can do right now. You don't need this amount of motivation, you should already want to do it. Grow up and fight for your life.
>>25876752 Yes, when it comes down to it, I'm just ignorant. I seek few (though rather broad) aspirations that are difficult to obtain and whose prerequisites entail work I don't feel I have the will to do. That's it. That's my depression. An ignorance facilitated by my surroundings and my lack of will. If I were to step out of it, and at least try, I'm sure I'd at least have the will to discover a new way to my goals. But I've trapped myself, and put the key on a staircase I don't feel like climbing. I realize maybe there was supposed to be argument here, but I feel a good explanation of my situation lends to this situation. My only argument is that your argument does nothing. Who's going to go grab the key from the stairs just because another person can prove it will lead to new opportunity? Someone who isn't depressed.
This is the first valid criticism. I made this thread because I was tired of people who are sad blaming it on the world and fixing themselves, but I guess it isn't as easy as it seems. Like I said above, a Spanish proverb comes to mind: "Habits begin as cobwebs, but turn into chains." Nobody is saying it's easy, it is very hard to break habits as strong as the ones some people have. I believe that you can do it if you try, I give you my hope and blessing. I hope you can find something redeemable and move past this situation. All the power to you.
>>25877149 sorry if I confused you, >>25877077 and >>25877109 were both me>>25877077 like, I was fixing the last line of my first post (so it would be "Someone who hasn't self-declared their own will as naught")
>>25877196 Really the only tangible advice I have for those suffering depression, and this is only coming from a dude with degree in neuro, is to exercise a bit and maybe order some Tianeptine from the web; it's got a higher treatment rate than SSRIs in the States, doesn't cause the weight and sexual effects, imparts energy, etc., the only reason it's not available in the States is due to a disagreement between Pfizer and Tianeptine's manufacturer. If you don't have the will to hit some buttons on your computer, I wonder where you get the impetus to post...
If you're depressed, you must embrace nationalism.
The reason for your depression is a lack of purpose in your life. You will like you're unimportant in this world. You don't feel like you're part of something great. You feel like the world would just keep functioning the same way without you. You feel like you are an expendable cog in a global machine whose inner workings and goals entirely elude you.
Look at this picture. Do you see all these people? How could German go from being crushed by WWI to emerging as a superpower that could take on the whole world for 8 years? How did Germany go from a degenerate shithole to a shining beacon of scientific and technological advancement? How did the ordinary German, who one year before wouldn't know how to survive the winter, be so happy and unafraid of the future?
There's something worth fighting and dying for: the right to live with dignity, for you and your children. Walk the Path of Light and join us on eightpol.
>>25876541 You've posted a lot of studies. That's it. The truth is we don't fuly understand the human brain, nor may we ever. You're posting theories and studies. Academics have theories and studies about any number of dubius conditions. Doesn't make them facts.
Feelings are quantifiable. Therefore these studies are anecdotal and unscientific. That doesn't make them necessarily invalid, but they aren't science.
Calling depression a disease is dishonest. It's a theory.
The fact that psychology is inherently vague is used by all kinds of politicians and hucksters.
Sorry, but there is still no evidence depression is a disease, and telling a bunch of socially challenged adolescents that there is something congenitaly wrong with them, is at best irresponsible, and all too often exploitive.
>>25877281 damn, now I can see how this movement was so effective. It strikes at the core feeling of insignificance to modern society. It's sort of the appeal of the internet. Fucking nazis man, impressive.
>>25877281 This post is correct. Those people give their lives meaning. Hitler gave them something to die for. He gave them meaning. Even though this post is semi-shilling for nationalism, it is correct. Find something that gives your life meaning, be it this or anything else. Nationalism is something we need these days, so it is a very viable option, to fight for your motherland so it doesn't fall prey to parasites destroying it.
>>25871918 Video games are wayy better. Face it the depressed are simply awakened to the truth that life sucks. Its a blinding truth that short circuits your fun processes. But that doesnt change the fact that you owe the world nothing and dont need to contribute to humanity, but simply need to have fun and be content with what you have.
>>25877281 It's because Germany's culture that developed for centuries, formed the general disciplined worker mentality aiming or sufficient quality. Germans are simply like that and every nation and culture has it's unique mentality that in total functions like one person.
If you think nationalism makes each and every nation great the way it made Germany great then you are an idiot. Amercan nationalism doesn't look like your image. Instead it's fat moronic skinhead bullshit and that will never change. Keep dreaming.
>>25877756 >>25877777 >>25877811 >I don't like it so it's wrong Seriously, you cats should take your INCREDIBLE scientific breakthroughs and convince those journals to retract their papers, which journals do ALL THE TIME when material's refuted.
Show me some whys or wherefores for your assertions. Get some backbone.
You're not worse at science than psychiatrists, neurobiologists and social scientists...are you? Because that's what it implies when you keep saying 'it's wrong!' with little more than your personal feelpinion attached as evidence.
I know my problem, but can't solve it. I'm depressed because I have a major lack of self-esteem. I don't know how to improve it, I've tried faking it but it doesn't work. Even with all my achievements (no matter how small), I can't seem to bring myself to love myself, both my physical and psychical aspects. Paradoxically enough, at the same time I consider myself superior to most people in my surroundings. How does shit like this happen, having both major lack of self-esteem and thinking you're better than almost everyone else? I fluctuate between these two extremes and it's driving me mad. Sometimes I feel like I'm not defined as a person even, probably because I examine everything and am a major skeptic, so I don't know what to think about most things. My life is hell, I wish I could fix this fucking problem.
>>25878075 Forget external validation and focus on crowning achievements for yourself. Paradoxically, you should learn to spend constructive time by yourself first before focusing on others. Find something distracting, focus on something. There is hope, just don't buy into the dumb shit. >>25878115 You have control over your emotions. >>25878097 Pick one :)
>>25878128 >Forget external validation and focus on crowning achievements for yourself. Paradoxically, you should learn to spend constructive time by yourself first before focusing on others. Find something distracting, focus on something. I'm really introverted and have major social anxiety, so my only interests are my backlogs. I watch movies, read books etc. Sadly, it's getting harder and harder for me to do this, even though it was an ease before the depression started. It started somewhere in mid-2015 I'd say. >You have control over your emotions. I feel like I don't. Sometimes I feel extremely confident and satisfied in myself, the other time I feel like a worthless pile of shit. Inbeween these two states I feel varying degrees of bitterness, resignation, not-giving-a-fuckness and a small amount of happiness.
>>25878349 If I were you, I'd examine the root cause of this, at around mid-2015. Find the source of it all, what set in motion these events. You can break the chains, of course you can. At times it might feel as if you're sawing away at the chains with a butter knife, but your hope and willpower will turn that butter knife into the most powerful weapon you could ever imagine. Remember, there is no spoon. You control it. It bends to YOUR will. I believe in you, mate. All the power to you in the struggle to take back your life.
>>25878443 I think I already examined the root. It's the time I asked a girl out (I'm 19 by the way, 20 this year), and I got turned down. Later in the same year, I asked two girls (first one then the other) to go out for a drink, both turned me down. I'm well aware both were a 10 on a scale, but I really don't want to lower my standards (although I could settle with anything above 6, but these two were the only ones who interested me). Even though all three of these females were shallow in every sense of that word, I still wanted to try out something with them, probably because looks in combination with other things (their voice, how they talk, the look they give etc). I've been having self-esteem problems for a long time, because I've been verbally bullied in elementary school, every day, but I never had any depression because my interests (literature, movies, games etc) are what kept me going and when I didn't study, I'd dedicate myself completely to them (social life was a literal zero, I only went out with "friends" a few times). But I think that since last year I started thinking more about this topic and after experiencing all this feeling bitter. Bitter about how the whole world works, how many deluded people there are. Not only this, but subconsciously I started giving way more importance to females and my success with them, even though I never even thought of them until mid-2015 and spent time indoors enjoying my shit. cont.
>>25878353 >Especially shit like dyslexia or AHHD. 99% of the time, it is because the parents and/or school do a shit job of raising the kid, and make up diseases so they will not feel it is their fault.
>>25878569 cont. So basically, even though I want to break free and be like my old self again (at least in the "not give a shit about women" way, I don't want the self-esteem of my old self, it's still almost as low as the one I have now), it seems that subconsciously I've given a lot of importance to women and shit related to them, so my self-esteem even suffered more when that happened. When I go to my uni and see certain males, even though they're not mean to me or anything (on the contrary, when we talk we have a really friendly chat), I feel so little next to them, I feel like a failure. I feel like everyone sees me as some kind of failure, someone who has low self-esteem. Like they can see through me, and they probably can, because I'm so fucking quiet and almost never talk to anyone, I don't approach anyone other than <10 people I know closely, I seldom walk through the room as I feel like I'm being stared down by everybody. I've been thinking - why did I start paying attention to women so much? I feel like two factors are to blame. >started working out (nothing special, calisthenics at home) and lost around 18kgs (this probably subconsciously made me have at least some self-confidence in my looks, when I had none before this because I was a fatass) >redpill philosophy which I've known for a long time, but started thinking about more often Also third thing falls on my mind, although it's probably bullshit - hormones.
>>25878640 >"narcissistic" >having both major lack of self-esteem and thinking you're better than almost everyone else? >major lack of self-esteem >narcissistic As far as I'm aware, I should only be thinking I was better than everyone else if that was the case.
>>25878749 >You probably don't want to hear this because it means there is nothing wrong with you What? I want nothing to be wrong with me. > but you sound like you are a completely typical, egocentric, slightly immature 19 year old I have no problems with being typical, but how many other people have such a high level of self-awareness, so much that they, for example, constantly are thinking about others observing them, constantly feel stared down? Let's say you're right though. Does this mean I will "grow out" of this? >kek What's funny about that?
>>25878852 Huh, for fake illnesses, these scans are showing a lot of non-baseline metabolic function! Thank goodness we've got all these wise anonymous posters on /r9k/ who know better than to fall for JOO science. Surely they'll save our scientific community from making such terrible mistakes!
>>25878897 >he still thinks neurobiology is a social science!
>>25879046 Alright, let's check the symptoms then. >An obvious self-focus in interpersonal exchanges Nope. >Problems in sustaining satisfying relationships Yes. >A lack of psychological awareness (see insight in psychology and psychiatry, egosyntonic) >Difficulty with empathy >Problems distinguishing the self from others (see narcissism and boundaries) >Hypersensitivity to any insults or imagined insults (see criticism and narcissists, narcissistic rage and narcissistic injury) >Vulnerability to shame rather than guilt >Haughty body language >Flattery towards people who admire and affirm them (narcissistic supply) >Detesting those who do not admire them (narcissistic abuse) >Using other people without considering the cost of doing so >Pretending to be more important than they really are >Bragging (subtly but persistently) and exaggerating their achievements >Claiming to be an "expert" at many things >Inability to view the world from the perspective of other people >Denial of remorse and gratitude Definitely "no" to all of these. What now? Also, no mention self-loathing and lack of self-esteem in those symptoms.
>>25878820 >As far as I'm aware, I should only be thinking I was better than everyone else if that was the case. No. What you said is literally the epitome of narcissism. But don't dabble in psychological definitions since most of it's bullshit anyway.
>>25879259 Well the theory goes that narcissism, AKA a strong feeling of superiority, is merely a defense mechanism against your inherent feeling of inferiority. Narcissists seek to hold up their delusional image of self by all means necessary to keep the lie alive. Deep down they know they're worthless still, and that's why they don't take criticism or not seeming better than others well.
>>25879460 But I never said you're a narcissist. I merely explained how a strong sense of inferiority goes hand in hand with a strong sense of superiority in narcissism. Something that seemed confusing for you.
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