>>25858295 Boyish, mannish, and manly are all different degrees of intensity. Manly would be if she's more muscular then I am, drinks strong alcohol, can hold an in depth conversation on 2 American sports, and can repair a car.
>>25858346 Thank you, I was gonna say, this picture was kind of my fear for a very long time, before I started thinking of it like 5'10 girls and such probably feel way worse. I am actually 5'5 too lol
>>25858295 I don't know about you, but the one on the left looks leagues better than the other. The one on the right seems like a nasty "le quirky grill XDD" type. Or it's just my very specific preference for tall girls with shoulder length hair and maybe ponytails that is acting up.
I would definitely date a taller girl. I don't think it necessarily makes them manly. In my experience, girls like the one on the left of the picture are more fun to be around since they don't act like attention whores and generally get along with guys better. Besides, I think it's cute.
Probably, only because you're not conforming to the specifications and that's what it feels like to be the odd one out. Most tall girls cope by just wanting to date even taller men though, which is a sound strategy for getting out of it.
Personally, I think you're great and tall girls are mega qt. Don't sweat it.
>>25861993 Yeah. Clothes aren't made to fit me, certainly. I don't know many guys my height, I tend to tower over everyone. I've had people staring at me and when I ask them what's up they say tbat they just noticed I'm not in heels.
Guys are also intimidated. I've been hit on at parties until I stood up then they get all insecure. Thanks though.
>>25861992 Some. My height draws a lot of attention from strangers, so I get a lot of cat calls. Not the attention I would like. It doesn't help that dresses always sit much shorter on me.
>>25862927 >>25862875 >>25862772 >>25862699 This is why people don't like us. They see this kinda shit and its cringey as all fuck, like... you're posting anime pics and talking about being each others sisters cos one of you has been transitioning for two and a half years which is SUCH A LONG TIME.
Then to top that off you're all "being mtf is hard q_q". Which is retarded as all fuck on a board not made up of other mtfs - because literally nobody can relate to your problem. Which creates an apathetic response - because they can't relate, so they don't care.
If you like manly girls than you're clearly desperate for pussy. But I like tall girls that are still prominently womanly, because I don't like towering over my girls considering I'm 6'4". My dream girl would be a curvaceous 5'9" girl.
>>25863013 Because maybe I didn't have a supportive model when I was transitioning and realize how much that would have helped?
You realize that we have to learn what a girl spends her life learning in a year. Two, tops. Someone to help with that goes a long way, and yeah, sister is an affectionate term that would make her feel supported.
>>25863087 I realise more than most, since I am trans and have been for 5 years.
You don't have to learn shit, being a girl isn't about wearing make up, or not eating much at restaurants or flirting with your boss to the right level for a promotion, but not far enough to imply sexual relations. Being a girl is you and yourself, not the bullshit you put yourself through because you think that's what makes you attractive. If you're transitoning with this idea of "oh i've got so much to learn about being a girl" then you're already doing it wrong and are probably just another fetishist transtrender hopping on the bandwagon.
Anime posting isn't cute. It's cringe. Calling a stranger you just met on an indonesian basket weaving forum is also cringe. If you want a friend get one, but stop this cringe as fuck caricature of a woman/drag act-tier bullshit. Jesus.
>>25863087 that sounds really amazing i dont really have someone like that in my life so if you wanted to be that for me it would make me feel really happy and a lot less anxious about some of the things that have been coming with transition >>25863028 t-this post was me by the way
>>25863219 im really happy for you, and imma let you finish but you're not actually reading the posts at all if you were, you'd see that i was saying exactly the same shit you've just said but to two cringey ass trannies calling each other sisters.
>>25863179 Are you kidding me? There is so much fucking work into transitioning. It is make-up, and learning how to dress, practicing your voice, working on your body language. You're learning an unspoken language spoken by half the population. You're the fucking transtender if you think you can take HRT and call it a day.
I do feel solidarity with early transitioners. Shit sucks for them. If I can help, I will. I've been there.
>>25863188 If you post an email I'll correspond with you that way for now. Computer is in a box at the moment.
>>25863237 Nah you're the one trying to derive a sense of self worth about being trutrans from making fun of two random people on the internet to feel better about yourself, when all they were doing was trying to meet each other and maybe be happy together. I hope you pass cause 99% of the time the only trannies that seem to shout "MUH TRUTRANS" and "AGP FETISHISTS" are hons.
>>25863254 >you're a transtrender if you think you can take hrt and call it a day
Not at all, if you think being a woman is about how your voice sounds or your make up or how you dress or your body language then you're a transtrender and don't know shit. You're just fetishising the lifestyle of women because you find it attractive in some sexual manner. You're a caricature, a drag act at best. You're deluding yourself into thinking you're a woman because you do these things that women do, but that's not how it works at all. I'd explain but you can't understand what it means to actually be trans because you're just a transtrender, we have no common ground.
You're an early transitioner too. You're one babby leading another babby, but you're both too dumb to realise how retarded you look and sound.
>>25863315 I pass very well and live a stealth life thank you - not that it matters, being a woman isn't about whether i look attractive or not.
You'd know that if you actually were one, but you're not. I'm not espousing them for wanting to be happy, i'm espousing them for being cringey as fuck and making people hate trannies - when they aren't even, as you say, TruTrans. They're just fakes.
Like... imagine if there was a group of people who masqueraded themselves as muslims and bought bad press to every Islamic person by being assholes. Even though those people aren't actually Muslims, they appear to be to everyone else, and so people automatically start disliking all muslims on behalf of these two people who aren't muslims. Yeah. Its like that.
>>25863448 You understand how creepy it is that you're putting womanhood on this unattainable pedestal instead of just understanding that you are one? I can feel like a girl in a hoodie, bedhead and no make-up as much as I can in evening wear.
>>25858564 I'm 6'0 and 2 inches taller than my boyfriend. He constantly wishes he was taller than me, but he makes due with just being stronger than me. Do you actually want a gf that's taller than you or do you just want to be taller than a tall girl?
>>25863494 I'm not putting it on a pedestal. I'm just saying its not about the things you think it is about. You're the one lashing out with ad hominem attacks in every post because I'm offending you and your identity.
I'm sorry, but you're just not a real woman from what you've said in this thread, you're a plastic model of one and I'm sorry you fell for the "transition will make you happy" meme. I'm going to leave the thread now, keep your self denial flowing, the second it stops you're a goner.
>>25863448 this! Being a woman isn't makeup, shoes, voice acting and so forth. Glad to see common sense make a comeback.
We've been indoctrinated for a while now with Caitlyn Jenner level bullshit for a while. Maybe that's the last straw. When you can become woman of the year by killing a woman and using your white republican homophbic money to buy the Completely a Woman Package (tm) then there is a problem with public perceptions.
Some women can't afford the Completely a Woman Package (tm) and there is no reason that they are any less women than those chose to preform socialized femininity.
>>25863925 >i dont want to put effort into looking like a woman when i look like a man and i still expect people to treat me like one cause the evil white man keepin me down if you're a man people will treat you like one unless you can transform yourself into a convincing lookalike of a woman, thats just how it works also its 2016 if you really believe white privilege still exists and its possible to be poor if you're a minority with the existence of welfare you're fucking retarded
>>25858295 No, in your case it suggests you're an abuser.
In your pic you've portrayed manly or taller girls as lacking confidence, unhappy, and implicitly desperate. You are implying with this image and the way in which you asked this question, that the girls you like are fundamentally undesirable, and that it is a factor in your attraction.
Similarly with a lot of chubby chasers, you may be using her social class as leverage in the relationship. you feel that she can't leave you lest she be lonely. You may attribute to this type of woman an implicit insecurity that you can feed off of, entrapping her, making her do things she doesn't want to, encouraging emotional and overall dependence on you so as to feed your own insecurities while maintaining a power imbalance in the relationship so that you might build your own confidence and be able to "upgrade" while she cannot.
If you ever met these "Manly girls" and they expressed confidence in themselves, felt proud of their bodies, or maintained standards of their own that you might not meet, would you be so attracted to them? If so, if you seek a relationship with a woman like that who hight have high standards, would you want to invest in being in a relationship with her where you might have to maintain the relationship rather than put in minimal effort? If so, then it doesn't make you gay. I am attracted to athletic women with firm muscular bodies myself as well as traditionally pretty women and "Soft" women.
>>25864034 When a biological butch woman is mistake for a man from a distance or on accident, people simply correct how they see her on further knowledge. When you stop preforming masculinity, you are inherently more androgynous and there is no reason you can't simply express yourself as a woman, or not through gender at all.
>also its 2016 if you really believe white privilege still exists and its possible to be poor if you're a minority with the existence of welfare you're fucking retarded
Wow, too bad reality disagrees with you.
I would love it if white cops stopped seeing young black boys as versions of the hulk, as dangerous. Better shoot those little black kids, they're dangerous.
I would love it if they taught African history like they do European history in American schools.
I would LOVE if America acknowledged the free labor of black slaves from which this country was built on before being "Released" and continually discriminated against.
It'd be awesome if we recognized that white men historically ravaged darker skinned people for resources which planted their feet into the ground to become so powerful, if we realized how the crusades, cultural assassination, and manifest destiny created the world we live in.
I would enjoy the thought that we, as a society, don't look down upon poor black communities as if black people came here under the same circumstances as everyone else but just didn't make it. As if the money passed down from white generations and the debt passed down from black generations was never an influence.
>tfw knew a qt tall goth socially awkward (but able to hide it well behind cynicism) gril >tfw she liked me >tfw too autistic to realise at the time >tfw she has no facebook so i cant fap to her she was perfect /r9k/
>>25864224 Lmao we teach European history because it is more relevant to our society, you fucking idiot. There is so much depth and substance to western history, and being well versed in the subject will give you a better understanding of why the world is the way it is today.
You can get a tax payer subsidized degree in African Studies at any university, so I don't see why you're complaining.
>>25864778 Ahahah, oh boy. You both demonstrate your lacking knowledge, proving my point, and fail to understand the harm of teaching one boy that his race and lineage includes great rulers and the supposed creators of civilization (lie) while teaching another he was just a freed slave, brought into society by merciful white men.
>>25864880 >his race and lineage includes great rulers and the supposed creators of civilization (lie) But it's not a lie, you fucking faggot.
>while teaching another he was just a freed slave But that's true, you fucking faggot. Unless you believe in we wuz kangz n shiet.
>brought into society by merciful white men. Epic strawman. Nobody even claims that.
Let me tell you something. Half of my mother's side of the family is African American, and I feel that they have had every opportunity to succeed in their lives, and they have certainly seized that initiative without trying to victimize themselves.
On behalf of the white side of my family, I feel absolutely zero guilt for something that happened hundreds of years ago, nor did my family directly benefit from it, seeing as they arrivred in the United States well after slavery had ended.
She's pretty manly. She is the closest thing to dating a guy as you can get without being gay. Average attractiveness (slightly above average if she wears makeup etc) but really fucking smart. All her male coworkers enjoy her banter (she's in IT) and she's good at farming/mechanical work too. Funnily, her dream is to be a 50's housewife-esque kinda wife.
>>25863432 im not sure if you're back yet from your friend's or still in this thread but im gonna head off to bed soon so i thought id let you know ill respond to you later after i wake up, i look forward to talking to you and you helping me with stuff, it'll be nice to have that
>>25864992 Kek you sound like manlets saying that 5'9 isn't short because it's average. Sorry, but in this world you're either sexually desireable or not. Averages don't matter, because the average person is not sexually desireable. If you're shorter than 6'0 as a male, you're a manlet. If you're taller than 5'3 as a female, you're a lurch.
>>25867151 Tall men stand out and it's an attractive feature. Being average adds nothing to your attractiveness, which is bad because 80% of men are not considered sexual options by women. 5'7 and below is quite the issue when it comes to be attractive to a large enough pool of women.*
But a 5'5 woman has good height, the point where it gets awkward is significantly further down than how it is for men. With girls as taller as 5'9, it's more that they are choosy, not that people don't find it attractive. Assets can sit perfectly well, like with all the models who do fashion
*Doesn't mean you can't make up for it, this manlet is sufficiently cute, puts the work into it and fucks three new chicks a week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-_oBZfdd8Q
It's cool, also people are generally shitty so w/e fuck 'em, you do you, etc. I'm a guy close to your height but most stores don't carry clothes that fit me. I still have the body of a lithe young boy for better or worse.
Have you tried getting your clothes altered or ordering them online? That usually works better for me, but I'm also an actual average white male so my chances of success are a lot higher. I pretty much come in packs of twelve for easy swapping out of worn down models.
>girl from college was 6'4" or something >bad personality >LITERALLY would start flirting with a tall guy if he was in the room >saw her once visiting psychiatrists They fucking do it to themselves. Every single woman wants a guy a foot taller than her, and gets angry if she can't get one.
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