>>25809344 you've got to do some introspection, do you like to make decisions based on reason or your feelings? think of the last time you made a notable decision, what was the deciding factor? if you're not sure or think both are true that's fine, it's not a perfect system and people tend to not evenly fit into one type all the time
>>25809724 Dude it's nearly a century old and based off of psychological "sciences" before proper neurology even existed. Literally the horoscope of psychology. You might as well break out the astrological chart and start making predictions about your personality traits based off of the month you were born in, it's equally scientific.
>>25809833 INTP and INTJ are what everyone who's narcissistic gets in these internet personality tests.
If these things even made any sense, which they aren't accurate as to how personalities work at all. /r9k/ would be extremely introverted, extremely sensitive, extremely /FEEL/ing, and extremely judgemental. Every single post in every single thread reflects these traits. Quit lying to yourself you fucks. If you want to pretend this shit even makes sense, you're all ISFJs.
>INFP >Suffering every day >no one cares And the feels start coming And they don't stop coming Try not to cry but I feel the tears running Doesn't make sense to be a wage slave Normies having fun, I rot in a cave So little to do, so little to see So what's wrong with being a KV I'll never know 'cause I won't go I'll never shine 'cause I don't glow
I go trough the same social situations over and over again and try to estimate all of the possible messages people might get from my speech if they misinterpretate it. Then I manage to convince myself and freak out that the person I was talking to now holds some negative assumption about me or are mad forever based on a misinterpretation they made themselves.
I'm completely aware that it is pointless to belive my own conclusions on what people might think about me, but the problem with all this is that I don't have to do this myself. I might arrive to a conclusion without realizing I'm thinking or stressing over about something. The conclusion might even catch me off guard that there is no time for me to try to judge if it's true or not, because it seems crystal clear and justified.
And what could be more justified in this world than somebody hating you just for being yourself?
INTP here. I honestly don't believe non-NTs are even conscious in any sense I'd recognize. They seem to be meat machines controlled by the a combination of social conformity and the tyranny of genetics. Only intuitive thinkers have the capacity for both creative flexibility and incisive, analytical logic.
>>25811567 You're saying it like it's a bad thing. To be on autopilot. I think it's pretty great to be honest. I think that's the way people are designed to be. When people think, they're trying to make a model of the world surrounding them in their heads. But given the complexity of the world, that model is bound to be incomplete or even outright invalid. What a typical person who lives on autopilot does? They judge things by whether they feel good, that's the only measure they have. They don't think about things, they're simply reacting to stimuli. But their reactions aren't conscious, they're are using the "premade" reactions that people have always had.
I don't how see how it's bad. I think I used to be kinda like that. Then I foolishly tried to seek the truth. I tried to override these natural autopilot instincts and tried to look at everything objectively(fedora I know) and always look for the truth no matter how uncomfortable it was. Obviously this lead to me being considered edgy by people. Well now I've pretty much destroyed this natural autopilot, only way it sort of works is when I get very drunk. And I sure wish I could go back to the autopilot. So once again, I don't think being on autopilot is bad.
>>25811484 Just passing on through while I have a minute or two.
I do a similar thing, but without such dreadful results you're getting. I analyze every damn second of nearly every social interaction. I go through every facet I can, as thoroughly as is feasible. After all, I'm still engaged in conversation or other social interaction while I'm doing this.
However, where we differ is this; you seem to be attempting to use reason, but failing and instead relying upon emotion for your conclusions.
It is likely that neither of us could (or maybe even should, I find this tendency to be a huge social advantage, if harnessed properly) completely or even mostly shut off our minds and just "go with it"
You're going to have to develop a mental framework preventing yourself from jumping to likely erroneous and certainly harmful (even if they turn out to be true!) conclusions. I've not got the expertise nor the time to tell you how to do that.
If it helps, I'm 24 and have figured out quite a lot of procedures and mental framework to work alongside my natural tendencies; instead of attempting to mold myself into something ideal from the ground up.
Tell me what you think if you would like, or ask a question or to. I'll come back to the thread when I have a moment.
>>25811673 The Overman dismisses all external authority, cleaves to no system of morality. Only those with the Will and strength to resist social conformity and step fearlessly into the nihilist Abyss with absolute faith that it's possible to build wings while falling can manifest the Overman and breathe life into the flame of the divine within us. Otherwise you're nothing but untermensch, a helpless pawn at the mercy of external forces.
>>25811731 That's nice and all, but in reality that's not doable. For me anyways, but then again I'm just not ubermensch(who the fuck even says "overman"). If I was I wouldn't be having problems like this. It just kills me to pretend things for the sake of functioning in society knowing that the truth is somewhere else. My integrity is too far gone. I guess I'll be one of the fucks who never could grow wings. I wish I never gave in to this.
>You're going to have to develop a mental framework preventing yourself from jumping to likely erroneous and certainly harmful (even if they turn out to be true!) conclusions. I've not got the expertise nor the time to tell you how to do that.
Allready working on that, this is not a big problem by any means, but it is something that happens ocasionally. The bigger problem with all this is that I feel like it's somehow okay for people to hate me. Why? I don't know, but most people seem to act like that anyway.
The whole point of me really posting this thing was to see if anyone could spot my type based on this.
>>25811791 The amazing thing about the Will to Power is that it's inherent in every single human being. There is no one so low, so stupid, so degraded that the person lacks the capacity to throw off the chains of conformity and rise to greatness.
I've spent my whole life marching to a different drummer. In the beginning they said I was a "dork" or "nerd". When I got older, they shook their heads and said I was "lazy" or "crazy" or "out of touch." But when I remained true to my vision of myself and the world, and began to see successes against the temporal rulers of the world, they started to call me "dangerous" and "mentally unwell" and "criminal".
Feels good, man.
There's nothing special about me. I'm not smarter or better looking or more talented than you. I just decided very early in my life that I didn't care what anyone else thought and that failing my own self hurt more enduring the scorn and mocking laughter of others. It's never too late, anon. You can rise from your knees at any time if you can dig down and find the hot cinders of courage still smoldering in your heart.
>>25811966 Point is, I do not see the greatness. Only way you can completely ignore conformity is if you have nothing to lose. If you have anything at all you care about, you can(and will) be manipulated into conformity. And to get into a position where you don't have anything to lose. That seems nearly damn impossible.
>>25812067 Well, the way I did it was giving everything away. I took my front door off its hinges so I couldn't close it and walked through the neighbourhood, telling everyone to come and shop through my apartment until it was completely empty. Then I got a tent and a backpack and spent a year homeless, just travelling. That was 25 years ago. Since then, I haven't owned anything I couldn't fit in a backpack: no house, no car, no investments, no insurance, no furniture that I didn't get from a trash pile, no haircuts, no family, no children, no close friends, not even a pet or a houseplant. Nothing that can be used against me. I live tucked up inside myself, completely free and with no way for the world to get leverage on me.
"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
>>25812139 Wow. If that's really true then you did it. You're free. I've been thinking about doing something similar like you. My plan was to get some money and just get lost. Run away and live in some secluded area, somewhere in Russia with very low population density. I mean I would probably die fast, but I feel strangled among people. I feel constrained. I want to be free. Like you.
Obviously I can't mention this to people, few times I did they started questioning my mental well-being.
>>25812196 The way I started was by throwing away everything I considered "irreplacable." I had my comic book collection and a pin collection that was worth thousands. I had photo albums from my childhood and old photos of my parents and grandparents and great-grandparents. I had old school yearbooks, old diaries, old books of newspaper clippings and so on. I was moving, looked at all those boxes of stuff that I'd been carrying around with me, always worried about losing them in a fire or having them stolen or something, and decided because I could physically survive without them. I threw it all in the trash. It felt horrible when I did it, but the relief I felt when it was all gone was incredible. You don't realize how much of that garbage you're carrying on your back everywhere you go until you let it go.
After that, everything else was easy. It was just a series of incremental steps as I let the weight of the world slip away.
And I think you'll find that "the woods" is no longer the place people go to test themselves against the world. Today, the truest challenge is living in the thick of humanity and throwing ourselves into their midst while defying all comers.
INFP here. I suffered for so long I dried up and lost the ability to cry. Since them I'm only suffering day after day. There was a time when I was ENFP (I was just more extroverted) and that time hurt the most but gave me some social skills. They're useless since I am never going to get social again desu.
>>25812267 What about people around you? Were you a total NEET with no friends before you started doing this? Or family? I imagine if I just started doing what you're doing, I'd get sedated and thrown into a psych ward eventually. I'm really asking about the practical things, not trying to be a cunt.
Also how do you survive? How do you get food, etc. I imagine if I ran away into the woods somewhere in the spring I would have the whole year to get enough to supplies to hopefully get through winter. I can fish and all, not a 100% /out/doorsman but pretty crafty. But as I said, that's talking about the woods, I take it you don't live in seclusion.
>>25812267 Have you read any religious doctrine? I also think we talked in another thread; I was the guy who explained that people who love things are still powerful, because more often than not they can stand back up after losing everything.
>>25812376 Actually I'm the guy who this guy has been replying to. And I think I said something yesterday talking about how people who have nothing to lose are the only strong ones. Did you by any chance mean that? I had to go to sleep after writing that post.
Is it possible to be a mesh of multiple personalities at once? I am VERY introspective but recently I've been wanting to share everything. I'm very interested in people; a lot of my personality aligns with INFJ, but I've become far more analytical and objective, and a lot of the weaknesses inherent in the INFJ personality literally don't exist, and in fact exist in the opposite way.
I'm more in line with ENTP, except without being very good socially, trying to improve that in order to express myself. But I'm STILL too considerate of other peoples' feelings, and try finding many many many ways to empathize/ relate, while at the same time trying to guide them into an objective point of view. This is extremely hard.
>>25812415 I was not the one that said that; I actually tried to counter this argument. I was the one who used the grey desert and shovel analogy.
He exclaimed that being able to abandon any notion of responsibility or belongingness in that setting is the only true way to freedom. To me, this really just seems like the first third of his introspective journey, because I used to think exactly like this.
After unhitching myself from everything important (becoming truly free) I found some cornerstones/ fundamental truths that gave me some kind of like, idea of peace. Despite trying to unhitch myself from even the "beauty of this universe"
>>25812360 I make do. I work odd jobs or I collect welfare or I learn handicrafts. These days I do tarot readings on the street at a little portable table. I organized a sort of hobo museum in a century-old factory, and now I live in the bare, unfinished concrete basement as caretaker. I'm constantly reinventing myself and increasing my skill set. I have professional level skills in probably two dozen different fields now; I'm a published author, I've hosted two radio shows, ran for public office, and there's a Wikipedia article about me. I'm often in the national media.
Once you let go, you'll find all kinds of doors open for you. If I'm short on cash, I dumpster dive behind restaurant chains for food. I make my own furniture from scrap lumber and shipping pallets. I patch my clothes when they wear out. I invent my own fashion styles according to whatever I happen to feel like wearing any particular year and often find myself becoming trendy entirely by accident; this year I'm apparently a "lumbersexual hipster."
Once you sacrifice routine, you can dance your way across the tightrope of life without worry, since balancing is so much easier without all that weight on your shoulders.
>>25812376 >>25812415 I've studied a lot of philosophy, mostly the romantics and existentialists, from Kant and Schopenhauer to Thoreau and Nietzsche, but also Eastern philosophies, which I find synergize well. I'm also a mystic, so I've studied esotericism and a lot of shamanic traditions.
>>25812524 I out myself here all the time. Most people know who I am. The problem is, every time I talk about my life here I'm called a liar. If I post links to my Wikipedia article or newspaper articles about me, I'm accused of being an egomaniac trying to impress a bunch of teenyboppers on a Bulgarian sheep-herding web forum.
>>25808955 ISTJ Introvert(66%) Sensing(3%) Thinking(38%) Judging(9%) You have distinct preference of Introversion over Extraversion (66%) You have marginal or no preference of Sensing over Intuition (3%) You have moderate preference of Thinking over Feeling (38%) You have slight preference of Judging over Perceiving (9%)
Every time I've done this test I've gotten either INTP or INTJ (Without fail, over the past five, maybe six years)
>>25812839 No, it only classifies you by your characteristics. You actually have to answer questions and it choses your type based on that. Astrology is pseudoscience because it throws out very general statements that are true for about 97% of the population and the people who read it belieeve it because it applies to them, but only because it is such a broad statement. Same goes for horoscopes etc.
>>25813979 >On the question whether MBTI is pseudoscience, which would mean that the theory has absolute no empirical validity, the definitive answer is:no. Several studies linked the MBTI dichotomies to more accepted personality models like the Big5 based, NEO PI-R(A 5 factor model with 5 subscales each) , which showed strong correlations between the two as have other studies(see studies References). >http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator It's not pseudoscience just because you don't like it.
>>25814036 >rationalwiki Do you know what this site is? It's a snarky hive of faux-sceptics who often peddle ideological nonsense as inherently rational (example SJW users). It's not a site you can trust.
MBTI still lacks substantial empirical validity (in a field that is itself empirically suspect, psychology is known among proper scientists for bordering on pseudoscience) and is shown to be entirely unreliable on retests. That's a natural result of self describing yourself, yes, but that doesn't absolve it from being scientifically unsound. There are a great many criticisms of the test and the 'theory' behind it if you care to look. If you can't consider it pseudo-science then it's still junk science.
>>25814262 You like to argue, don't you? You are dismissing my sources and making unsubstantiated claims of your own. At this point, your whole post is just an opinion. Until you actually find a decent source to back up your opinions, then be quiet. I bet you didn't even look at the tsudy references did you?
>>25814399 Because they threatened by something that cam "box people into small groups", it goes against their inherent philosophical view that each individual human has endless possibilities at his or her disposal.
or they got something that isn't INTJ, or they got INTJ but they weren't INTJ (ISTJs) or they are just generally retarded and feel threatened because they can't comprehend it
There's plenty of answers and they all revolve around people being too stupid
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