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Who /pianofeels/ here?
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>>25790133
I just know how to play like one song with both hands and like 4 with just my right hand.
>in b4 a joke about masturbation
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>>25790151
I am bad~decent but I can't get my shit together and practice 3 hours a day like I am supposed to
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I like to imagine myself playing sad music. Too lazy and depressed to learn anything, though.
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>>25790192
Do you compose?
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>>25790222
Nope,I have no creativity for music
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>love piannah
>learnt to play a bit
>found out I can't play octaves comfortably at all because hitchhiker's thumb
ffffuck it
https://youtu.be/Nbrdx6nQQO4
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>>25790246
How hard can it be to compose? Just get a key and start randomly picking them?
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Aye
https://clyp.it/3xhyjjlk
I'm happy that my exams are finally over and I can play the piano once again.
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https://youtu.be/VvIzZz3RUIw

Ey familia this is me. Enjoy some-a piano
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>tfw no qt who plays piano for you
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>>25790323
sounds gud man i used to play but then i forgot how to read sheet music
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>>25790398
thnx yeah same. I don't actually know how to read music, I just sometimes learn a song by ear and record it.
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>>25790398
>tfw still can't read sheet music
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>>25790428
i play guitar now so i never tried remembering how to
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>>25790306
sound of the gods truly gifted
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literally can not stop crying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnqmshjB3pk
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>>25790197
i feel you, been thinking about getting a guitar myself
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>>25790499
>
learn tab then u can pretty much learn what u want
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>>25790133
>tfw cannot play the piano
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>>25790323
good shit anon

i can feel to this
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I want to be able to play wanky classical shit but I will never be that good
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I used to play and was pretty good but I stopped when I lost interest in music in general when I realized I have no one to share it with.
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>>25790133
Why is the piano so perfect at expressing sadness?

This one so perfectly sums up that choking, suffocating feeling of depression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef-4Bv5Ng0w
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I have a piano, never learned how to play it.
Sometimes when I am in a shit mood, i start playing some stuff off the top of my head, it sounds kind of creepy
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>>25790471
Thanks!
>>25790643
>I have no one to share it with.
There's always anons on the internet.

On that subject here's a short improv I just played
https://clyp.it/ypw1nz1s
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>>25790781
>anon why you only play sad pieces?
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>>25790872
>https://clyp.it/ypw1nz1s
i would let u join my band
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>>25790267
Played piano for 8 years. I'm alright at playing, but composing is for masochists and sadists. That shit is hard, you gotta come up with a tune, pair that with a tempo, get the right phrasing for your tune, and then write the music so that an experienced player will replicate your phrasing and tempo exactly. That shit's hard.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaUyJyPekJE

play me a song
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>>25791701
Have you ever tried playing a sheet someone wrote in a shitty non-practical way?
It's really fucking annoying
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>>25791862
I've done it a couple times, and it is. I don't encounter them often, because I usually do classical, but boy are some editors for classical pieces retards.
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>tfw piano teacher tells me to order chopin preludes for lesson next week
>tell her I probably won't be able to get it that fast
>she says I will
>she's definitely going to scold me and say it's my fault if I don't
Fuck
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>>25791959
>tfw have a dozen of pieces for February
>haven't even started them
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>>25791959
When I was like 14 my teacher did that except it was for a concert instead of just a lesson
At least it made me practice like a madman
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>>25791959
All of them? That's a shit ton of music, anon.
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>tfw https://youtu.be/Z-XzRU_32Ec
>for a moment in time, there is no dissonance
>this is truely a new world
>a wanton world without lament
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>>25791959
IMSLP has a ton of PDFs for Chopin.
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i have play more often now that i think about it, thanks for the reminder op
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>>25790323
You from Spain, anon?
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>>25790323
>>25794178
Are you both from Spain, lads?

>piano thread in /r9k/ with 20 posters
>already three Spaniards on it

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>Grade 8 exam with Trinity Guildhall in 4 months
>Just about passed Grade 6 in 2013 and just about failed Grade 7 in 2014 but decided to keep going anyways
>Really don't want to fail
>Just want to pass and then enjoy playing the music I want to play, not the music the exam syllabus' lay out
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>>25794861
Are you me?

original comment
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>tfw started learning piano late (18 years old)
>learned pretry quickly, can play a bach fugur
>problem is that it takes me way too long to learn a piece; fugue took 8 months
>cant read treble clef notes "fluently" for some reason, which means im godawful at sightreading, which explains why im so slow at learning

I think learning late had somethijg to do with this. Any advice
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>>25792037
iktf

>>25792049
Holy shit that must have been stressful. How did it go?

>>25792052
Well I'm not going to play all of them right away, she just want me to be able to pick and choose.

>>25792052
Thanks, but she won't accept anything but the book she told me to buy. Just hope I get it in time.
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>>25795248
Fuuuck I'm 20 and I wanted to start learning now that I can afford to buy a piano and take classes.
It's still worth it?
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>>25795317
Yeah man. You can still leanr shit, and i didnt even take classes. Your teacher will probably help you get better than if u did self learning.

I think of my problems was that i never bothered to learn proper trchnique, or any practice songs or shit like that. Your class will let u learn piano the formal way, and in doing so perhaps circumvent the problems i have
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>>25795248
All I can say is that it has nothing to do with starting late. I started playing when I was like 8 and I'm still garbage at it. I just make up for it by practicing more.
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>>25790262
I have hitchhiker's thumb and never had any issue with octaves or other large intervals. How long have you been playing? Just keep at it and you'll get better.
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I play the piano and write/arrange music. Tell me what you guys think familias
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ha4kz78Yfg
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>>25795384
Aight thats good to hear

I think i just need to force myself to focus and be have a more "active" mind when reading
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>>25790872
this is real nice anon. i'd like to download it and do some stuff.

keep it up
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Bach master race reporting in
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>>25792053
My fucking nigga
Ornstein is the shit
He was my gateway into 20th century piano music
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>>25795605
Ayy bby u wan sum fuk?

What r u learning rite now? Im trying to learn air
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>>25795087
WHY IS THE PASS MARK SO FUCKING HIGH
60 FUCKING PERCENT
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>>25795619
Nice. What are your favorites?
I'm only just getting into this stuff.
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>>25792053
this isnt dark souls
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>>25795848
This isn't reddit either
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>>25795803
>>25795619
I like Ornstein too. Check out his quintet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijhDi-PDfLk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy1MeGhoIEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOQ7JvdzWig
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>>25795803
His 4th piano sonata is a classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sTXE95laQQ

his early avant-garde stuff is good too like the Wild Men's Dance, Suicide in an Airplane, Arabesques and Poems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii3oEVz1rVg
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>>25795499
I like it, it sounds really cute.
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>>25795499
not bad, you've got potential
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>>25790781
There's literally breathing sounds in the background of this. That's probably the reason it sums up sufffocating to you lol. If you have good headphones you can hear it.
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I've been listening to this on repeat for weeks now. Ignore what it's from and give it a chance. Also anyone have similar works?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVtvPXVysiE
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>>25797493
Primal Dialga theme from PMDD
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>tfw failed piano classes

JUST
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neet and playing piano for 1 year now
here's my progress from back in oct

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li9uHxZChSY
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>>25798387
Wow that's pretty cool. I'm guessing you're right handed? I've never played piano but your dominate hand is usually stronger right? I'm left handed so I probably couldn't do this.
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>>25798509
Not him but I am left handed and my right hand is stronger because I use it more,especially the fingers 3 to 5
Now I have to do those boring exercises to make my fingers stronger and my left hand is shit at those
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>>25790133

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9YuLmRflSU
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>>25798509
I'm actually left handed. It took me a while to build up the strength. Spent a while running scales before I even started to learn a song. Also being neet I have a lot of time to practice
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>poor technique because no teacher
>getting bored of bach, too shit to learn any interesting grade 5+ piece
should I just give up?
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>>25798828
Just play shit you like baka senpai desu
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>>25798877
pros on forums told me I shouldn't do that because it'll reinforce bad habits and I'll always be shit without a teacher anyway
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Whats the most depressing piano piece out there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr0otuiQuU
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>>25790133
I play piano one of my best friends showed me how to play. Taught me "Mad World" if you know that song. Very depressing actually. I found out last night he died of an overdose. I grew up with him since i was 6. Im 20 now. He was dead from a overdose for a couple days before his mom found him. How could i be such a shitty friend not to even stop by. This is a fucked up world..
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>>25798918
You will be shit anyway without a teacher so try enjoy playing at least
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>>25799238
but there's no enjoyment in it if I'm shit, I might as well watch TV or play video games
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>>25798918

see >>25798387
Fuck what the "pros" say, they just say that to make it look like piano isn't easy. There's a reason 5 year olds can play crazy pieces with little practice and it's not because of "muh brain plasticity" it's because piano is one of the easiest instruments to learn. You don't see 5 year olds playing Protest The Hero pieces on the guitar because guitar is way more complicated and difficult. As long as you keep your fingers bent and use a metronome and watch a few good pianists play, you can learn anything. ffs I don't even know music theory and I can get by just fine. I've heard those kinds of people before, they're fucking egos outway their skill. You're just hitting some keys, it's not that complicated.
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>>25799328
cheers buddy, I shall try my best
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>>25799328
>guitar is way more complicated and difficult
play me some tuplets then say that again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtIW2r1EalM
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>>25790222
I do
vocaroo.com/i/s1PTqEAkEdGG
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>>25799328
>protest the hero
>difficult
Maybe rythmically sometimes, but otherwise no it isn't.
You can also find kids playing some Guthrie Govan or Paul Gilbert, or a teenager playing Malmsteen or Vai, that doesn't make guitar any easier because some kids are good.
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>>25799514

That's just muscle memory you fuckwhit. I could have that down in a week. And i know Piano is harder than guitar because I've been playing guitar for longer than piano. A Jason becker song would take me longer to learn then that piece and I've only been playing piano a year.
Go learn Serana by jason becker or altitudes and then come to me with you're tuplets
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>>25799706
>muscle memory doesn't exist on guitar so it's harder !
Have you ever considered that you just sucked on guitar ?
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>>25799686
you dont seem nearly depressed enough, based on your music
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>>25799514
that slow-ass song sounds easy as fuck to play.
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>>25791959
>got cast as shrek in the musical even though I didn't want it
>never sang for an audience before
>firat rehearsals are on monday
>haven't practiced at all
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>>25799733
>Have you ever considered that you just sucked on guitar ?

https://video-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xat1/v/t42.1790-2/10610320_10205120887480151_1008500799_n.mp4?efg=eyJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6ImxlZ2FjeV9zZCJ9&oh=2b4370b88aa08e00ee75aad7a4e802d4&oe=569AE9CD

I wrote this for two guitars (obv only playing one part) I also could have gone to Berkeley if it didn't cost 60k a year. You have no idea what you're even talking about. As someone who can play guitar AND piano. Guitar is the harder one BY FAR
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>>25799893
watch out, internet tough guy here, don't fuck with this hothead !
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>>25799328
>just hitting some keys not that complicated
just strumming some strings not that complicated

When it comes down to it piano is the easiest instrument to start but has the highest skill cap, simply because you can do so much with it. I play guitar and piano and I can tell you that the guitar is at most equivalent to one hand on piano. You don't see 5 year olds playing Protest the Hero because
1. 5 year old prodigy = asian parents / heavily autistic = classical instruments
2. Protest the Hero is fucking shit why would anyone want to learn that

Also, with electric guitar your dynamics are limited by the pickup threshold and gain, whereas piano is as expressive as you are.
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>>25798924
This is a contender
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnfRA62Xv24
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>>25799752
I'm not depressed. I'm not the guy you responded to.
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>>25799940

see >>25799893

And I used Prostest as an example because I figured most ppl on this board have no idea who Malmsteen, Jason Becker, and Paul Gilbert are.
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>these two faggots arguing whether guitar or piano takes more skill
>not understanding that the chapman stick is harder and also has more options to work with

plebs
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/r/ depressing pieces that are middle level on terms of skill
I am tired of playing slow depressing shit
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>>25799771
>>25799706
>that slow-ass song sounds easy as fuck to play.
Yes, if you know nothing about music, the difficulty comes from the tuplets (playing 11 against 6)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTNhcZvyL5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9kKJewslsk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIwMdh3h8vo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSbDwhLyGso
play these and then you can say piano is easy.

Ever wonder why there are so many guitarists on /r9k/? truth is 90% of guitarists are pseudo musicians who play for girls, you say piano is easy and reinforce that by referencing piano child prodigies but completely
ignore that there are hundreds of guitar child prodigies.
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>>25800006
The Hurdy Gurdy is clearly superior
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>tfw no gf to play wanky classical shit for me
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I play a keyboard using Synthesia. Done so for a year and its been real fun so far but I started at 23 and feel pretty bad seeing how much skill I lack. Wish my parents paid attention to me, its been my dream since I was a teen
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>>25799996
>im very good i could have gone to a good school but i didnt check out my "obviously correct" but completely unjustified opinions

Please actually try to argue.

On electric guitar you cannot express the same dynamic range, so although you may have to play notes fast all it is really limited to is precision, timing and coordination. Because the sound from a guitar string comes from releasing it from a displaced position you cannot control the amplitude of the vibration properly. If you hold your pick with x tightness then any one string will begin its return to equilibrium from the same displacement -> same amplitude each time.
With piano you have precision, timing and coordination, but you also have the added element of dynamics, because you control the impulse on the string rather the displacement from which it is release.
An allegory would be to imagine a ruler partially over an edge. If you push it down with a constant force it will bend until a certain point where it will ping back. That point is the same every time, so it has the same amplitude (guitar).
If instead you hit the ruler with varying force you will get varying amplitudes (piano).

This is why piano has a higher skill cap. You need to be able to do everything you can do on guitar, plus something else.

Also please dont argue muh pedals you'll just embarrass yourself
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>>25800021

> you say piano is easy and reinforce that by referencing piano child prodigies
I actually play both instruments too. See >>25798387 And >>25799893
I think I've got a pretty decent understanding of what it takes to play on both. To sound good on the piano is much easier. To sound good on guitar (and not like those pseudo guitarists -I agree with you on that point) takes a lot more skill.
Also wasn't the one who said "that slow-ass song sounds easy as fuck to play."
I'm not dissing music.

>ignore that there are hundreds of guitar child prodigies.
I never said there wasn't. But not nearly as many as piano. Because piano is childs play compared to guitar. I've met a ton of amazing pianists and I only know a small handful of people who can actually play the guitar (and not those acoustic fags who play "let it be" or "stairway to heaven")
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>>25800398

You're arguing that piano has a higher skill cap. That's not my point. "Skill cap" is just how creative you can be with the instrument and its sounds available to produce.

My point is, to sound good on piano takes a lot less skill than to sound good on guitar.
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>>25800432
>Because piano is childs play compared to guitar.
as the other anon said, yes piano is easier, you can play on piano in 2 days, what takes years to master on guitar, but why is that a bad thing? Piano has a way higher skill cap. If a pianist
played the same piece of music you played he wouldn't be given nearly as much appraisal as a guitarist, pianists are pushed to a higher standard of playing. I've learned many songs written for guitar, transcribed to piano
and they are much easier than namely the chopin etudes I posted. Most universities for music expect you to play all Etudes by chopin for admission, playing protest the hero is not good enough although it may be for guitar
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>>25790133
offtoppic: me just play guitar,
>tfw I just started playing the guitar 2 weeks ago and I can play perfectly more than 15 songs
I'm probably a genius but idk I just want to play for me or few more
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>>25800398
What the hell? Can't you hit strings on a guitar with varying force as well?
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>>25800524
>"Skill cap" is just how creative you can be with the instrument and its sounds available to produce.
wrong, clearly you've never player piano
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piano is not childs play compared to guitar.... that is ridiculous, this coming from someone who has played guitar for 20 years

piano is easier for a beginner, guitar is more difficult for a beginner. at the intermediate level piano is more difficult, and once you get to advanced levels fucking forget about it, piano is insanely complicated.
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This piece has so many feels, I always play it so much better after a rejection or when I'm feeling suicidal.

My stool is a bit creaky sorry
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>arrive home
>start playing kioku
>think of making a thread on /r9k/ with pepe as image
>see this thread
>mfw
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Piano is stupidly easy.
I learned to play it by myself when I was 17 or so. It was literally this:
>see some youtube video of a guy playing piano
>i decide its cool and i should do that too
>buy a keyboard with christmas gift money
>watch youtube tutorial in 5 minutes
>by the end of day 3 i already know how to play ride of the valkyries with two hands

Fucking losers and idiots. How can humanity even keep up with me?
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>>25800825

kek clearly you've never touched an instrument
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>>25800883

What is ridiculous is that a guitarist of 20 years is talking about the difficulty of another instrument he's never learned. Just because you couldn't play Fur Elise doesn't mean it's an insanely hard instrument.
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>>25801076
i understand enough about theory, how a piano works, and how to play piano at a rudimentary level to safely say at the most advanced levels, piano is more difficult

i don't know what it is with guitarists and these types of issues concerning the difficulty compared to other instruments...
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>>25798387
>one year
i played for one year and can only play shit
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>>25790133
>played piano throughout school
>stopped playing when i got out of high school
>have breakdown and go to mental hospital
>have a piano
>determined to learn chopin's waltz in c# minor
>learned most in hs and never finished it
>got out of mental hospital
>got super depressed
>still haven't learned it
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>>25801263
play a real instrument without frets
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>>25801379
play a real instrument without strings
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>>25790133
Davy is still in the navy and probably will be for life OH LAA DEE DEE DEE DA LA LA DEE DEE DA
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>>25801000
there is more to playing an instrument than the music/sound that is produced, if you learned any technical excercises you'd know that
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>>25801399
play a real instrument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qWPCoayhjY
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>>25801379
>>25801399
>that dick swinging contest

you are both suspended
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>>25801457
play a real instrument that doesn't create any sound
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>>25801442

>technical excercises

kek keep wasting your money on lessons normie
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>>25801263

Do you play both instruments? No? Then shut the fuck up because you don't know what you're talking about. I don't care if you've played 20+ years on piano, if you haven't learned guitar you can't say anything of real value in this argument. Spend over a year on both, practicing 6+ hours a day and then we can talk about which instrument is harder to play. (and sound good)
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>>25801555
>implying I'm paying for lessons
>no self discipline
you're the reason people think musicians can't self learn
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>>25790781
He says, posting garbage.
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>>25801631

You're wrong. If anything I'm the reason people try to teach themselves. >>25798387 and >>25799893 are me. self taught on both with nothing but the internet and time. Maybe you don't take lessons (good for you) but I don't go around talking about technical exercises and shit like it's a fucking science. Pianists take themselves too seriously. You're just an ape making noise at the end of the day don't forget.
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>>25799893
>Guitar is the harder one BY FAR
Wrong, it's a joke instrument for rawkers.
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>>25795248
>>25795317

I'm 30 and started re-learning and playing again after 15+ years of not touching a piano or any musical instruments (used to play the violin and flute as well)

I totally forgot how to read sheet music and of course what that translates to which fucking keys on the piano, so reading one note has me going "G....F...E...D...B...shit..C...B... okay B... what the fuck is B on the piano"


but fuck it, as a NEET I have all the time in the world. if I cut back on my video games and 4chins shitposting I can get a few hours of sightreading and practice in.

>>25801360
maybe you learning to play again is the key to getting out of the depression hole.
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>>25801776
>plays a technical exercise
>mocks others for playing technical exercise
you have no idea what an etude is do you? keep shitposting
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>>25790133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7maJOI3QMu0

Sometimes I like to feel good as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTJhHn-TuDY
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>>25801776
After you learn one instrument, it's much easier to learn the second, like learning code. Don't flatter yourself
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>>25801620
so basically you shouldn't have an opinion at all because you probably don't play either instrument at any level worth a shit

and no, butt blooze pentatonics don't count for anything
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>>25801776
>You're just an ape making noise at the end of the day don't forget.
Atheists, everybody.
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>>25790133
I pianofeels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr0otuiQuU :'(
I'm 32 and I'm going to start learning to play the piano. I've been through alot and I think it's the only instrument that'll allow me to adequately express my feels.
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This has Piano in it...
Winter time is a good time to hear some Piano.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOK8f7ZymDI
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>>25790133
I used to learn piano but can't play anything anymore, I regret dropping it.
Does anyone know how can I learn how to play something decent?
I have no money for piano lesson and an old synth.
Maybe it'll help me to cope with melancholia.
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>>25791701
Are you joking? Just play something and see if it sounds good. I've made up plenty of songs, although on guitar.
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>>25802075
hahaahaha rawkers actually believe this
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>>25802045
If you want to start from basics again get Yousician for free on your phone or tablet or desktop.

If you want to learn to play something quickly without having to translate sheet music, look up synthesia videos on youtube and just play along.
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>>25802158
Thank you for the advice man, I'll try it out
Already tried synthesia, but I suck too much to follow the video and make something decent, I have to train harder
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>>25790133
:D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khvaIwonxUk
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>>25801937
Holy fucking ignorance batman
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>>25802277
same here, so I'd download the video from youtube and play it at like 10% speed, on loop, section by section
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>>25802107
It's not difficult to hear what to play in your head. Get yourself a DAW and a midi keyboard with a drum program.

This is basically all you need to write a disco song for example. Play these 3, 4/4 time, repeat the last chord, 120bpm, basic dance beat, on your drum machine, use a smooth sounding synth, add a bassline, a wah guitar, accent it in syncopation with some strings synth, sing. Shit should come naturally with some basic chords. Shit you could write an r&b song with even less. We belong together from mariah carey is 3 normal major chords and a minor, not even 7ths, 9ths, or sharps. Drop in a basic r&b beat where the snare hits on the 3rd beat. Easy. If you're trying to compose le classical I can see that it's more difficult, but you still just need to hear what you want in your head first. If I could play piano writing would be far more easy. I usually beat tunes in layers; drum pattern, main chord sound, melody, etc into my phones sound recorder and figure them out later anyway.
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>>25802491
forgot pic

I use this app to help me, then use a midi editor to put the chords in
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>>25802491
>i dont understand composition
Poptimists, everyone.
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>>25802469
That's a good idea, I'll try that too
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>>25802521
Says the guy too afraid to even write anything.

You just have no instinct for music.
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>>25802621
>DUDE ITS INSTINCT LMAO *writes 2 minute 4 chord pop song about muh exgf*
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>>25790197
The thing about the piano is that almost anything you play, whether it's simply hitting a few keys, or playing something complex, it always sounds good. I'd recommend either using a friend or family member's piano, or even buying a keyboard, and just playing by ear. I learned how to play a few songs this way (even a little Beethoven),and, even though it's kind of hard to explain, it works. Start by playing something simple like London Bridge, then branch out and try tackling more complex works as time progresses, or create your own music.

The piano really just a beautiful instrument that transmits your emotions through sound. If you get one and try to play by ear, I guarantee you'll begin to see the world in a different way and the true beauty of our existence.

Damn, I could literally talk forever about pianos. Best fucking instrument ever.
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>tfw want to learn how to play electric guitar or saxophone
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>>25802810
I find playing simple melodies by ear not too hard, but most music that's worth it isn't just a single simple melody. It's usually a bunch of stuff layered layered on top of each other with different instruments or at least a melody and an accompaniment.
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