>>25790267 Played piano for 8 years. I'm alright at playing, but composing is for masochists and sadists. That shit is hard, you gotta come up with a tune, pair that with a tempo, get the right phrasing for your tune, and then write the music so that an experienced player will replicate your phrasing and tempo exactly. That shit's hard.
>tfw piano teacher tells me to order chopin preludes for lesson next week >tell her I probably won't be able to get it that fast >she says I will >she's definitely going to scold me and say it's my fault if I don't Fuck
>Grade 8 exam with Trinity Guildhall in 4 months >Just about passed Grade 6 in 2013 and just about failed Grade 7 in 2014 but decided to keep going anyways >Really don't want to fail >Just want to pass and then enjoy playing the music I want to play, not the music the exam syllabus' lay out
>tfw started learning piano late (18 years old) >learned pretry quickly, can play a bach fugur >problem is that it takes me way too long to learn a piece; fugue took 8 months >cant read treble clef notes "fluently" for some reason, which means im godawful at sightreading, which explains why im so slow at learning
I think learning late had somethijg to do with this. Any advice
>>25795317 Yeah man. You can still leanr shit, and i didnt even take classes. Your teacher will probably help you get better than if u did self learning.
I think of my problems was that i never bothered to learn proper trchnique, or any practice songs or shit like that. Your class will let u learn piano the formal way, and in doing so perhaps circumvent the problems i have
>>25798509 Not him but I am left handed and my right hand is stronger because I use it more,especially the fingers 3 to 5 Now I have to do those boring exercises to make my fingers stronger and my left hand is shit at those
>>25790133 I play piano one of my best friends showed me how to play. Taught me "Mad World" if you know that song. Very depressing actually. I found out last night he died of an overdose. I grew up with him since i was 6. Im 20 now. He was dead from a overdose for a couple days before his mom found him. How could i be such a shitty friend not to even stop by. This is a fucked up world..
see >>25798387 Fuck what the "pros" say, they just say that to make it look like piano isn't easy. There's a reason 5 year olds can play crazy pieces with little practice and it's not because of "muh brain plasticity" it's because piano is one of the easiest instruments to learn. You don't see 5 year olds playing Protest The Hero pieces on the guitar because guitar is way more complicated and difficult. As long as you keep your fingers bent and use a metronome and watch a few good pianists play, you can learn anything. ffs I don't even know music theory and I can get by just fine. I've heard those kinds of people before, they're fucking egos outway their skill. You're just hitting some keys, it's not that complicated.
>>25799328 >protest the hero >difficult Maybe rythmically sometimes, but otherwise no it isn't. You can also find kids playing some Guthrie Govan or Paul Gilbert, or a teenager playing Malmsteen or Vai, that doesn't make guitar any easier because some kids are good.
That's just muscle memory you fuckwhit. I could have that down in a week. And i know Piano is harder than guitar because I've been playing guitar for longer than piano. A Jason becker song would take me longer to learn then that piece and I've only been playing piano a year. Go learn Serana by jason becker or altitudes and then come to me with you're tuplets
I wrote this for two guitars (obv only playing one part) I also could have gone to Berkeley if it didn't cost 60k a year. You have no idea what you're even talking about. As someone who can play guitar AND piano. Guitar is the harder one BY FAR
>>25799328 >just hitting some keys not that complicated just strumming some strings not that complicated
When it comes down to it piano is the easiest instrument to start but has the highest skill cap, simply because you can do so much with it. I play guitar and piano and I can tell you that the guitar is at most equivalent to one hand on piano. You don't see 5 year olds playing Protest the Hero because 1. 5 year old prodigy = asian parents / heavily autistic = classical instruments 2. Protest the Hero is fucking shit why would anyone want to learn that
Also, with electric guitar your dynamics are limited by the pickup threshold and gain, whereas piano is as expressive as you are.
>>25799771 >>25799706 >that slow-ass song sounds easy as fuck to play. Yes, if you know nothing about music, the difficulty comes from the tuplets (playing 11 against 6) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTNhcZvyL5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9kKJewslsk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIwMdh3h8vo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSbDwhLyGso play these and then you can say piano is easy.
Ever wonder why there are so many guitarists on /r9k/? truth is 90% of guitarists are pseudo musicians who play for girls, you say piano is easy and reinforce that by referencing piano child prodigies but completely ignore that there are hundreds of guitar child prodigies.
I play a keyboard using Synthesia. Done so for a year and its been real fun so far but I started at 23 and feel pretty bad seeing how much skill I lack. Wish my parents paid attention to me, its been my dream since I was a teen
>>25799996 >im very good i could have gone to a good school but i didnt check out my "obviously correct" but completely unjustified opinions
Please actually try to argue.
On electric guitar you cannot express the same dynamic range, so although you may have to play notes fast all it is really limited to is precision, timing and coordination. Because the sound from a guitar string comes from releasing it from a displaced position you cannot control the amplitude of the vibration properly. If you hold your pick with x tightness then any one string will begin its return to equilibrium from the same displacement -> same amplitude each time. With piano you have precision, timing and coordination, but you also have the added element of dynamics, because you control the impulse on the string rather the displacement from which it is release. An allegory would be to imagine a ruler partially over an edge. If you push it down with a constant force it will bend until a certain point where it will ping back. That point is the same every time, so it has the same amplitude (guitar). If instead you hit the ruler with varying force you will get varying amplitudes (piano).
This is why piano has a higher skill cap. You need to be able to do everything you can do on guitar, plus something else.
Also please dont argue muh pedals you'll just embarrass yourself
> you say piano is easy and reinforce that by referencing piano child prodigies I actually play both instruments too. See >>25798387 And >>25799893 I think I've got a pretty decent understanding of what it takes to play on both. To sound good on the piano is much easier. To sound good on guitar (and not like those pseudo guitarists -I agree with you on that point) takes a lot more skill. Also wasn't the one who said "that slow-ass song sounds easy as fuck to play." I'm not dissing music.
>ignore that there are hundreds of guitar child prodigies. I never said there wasn't. But not nearly as many as piano. Because piano is childs play compared to guitar. I've met a ton of amazing pianists and I only know a small handful of people who can actually play the guitar (and not those acoustic fags who play "let it be" or "stairway to heaven")
>>25800432 >Because piano is childs play compared to guitar. as the other anon said, yes piano is easier, you can play on piano in 2 days, what takes years to master on guitar, but why is that a bad thing? Piano has a way higher skill cap. If a pianist played the same piece of music you played he wouldn't be given nearly as much appraisal as a guitarist, pianists are pushed to a higher standard of playing. I've learned many songs written for guitar, transcribed to piano and they are much easier than namely the chopin etudes I posted. Most universities for music expect you to play all Etudes by chopin for admission, playing protest the hero is not good enough although it may be for guitar
>>25790133 offtoppic: me just play guitar, >tfw I just started playing the guitar 2 weeks ago and I can play perfectly more than 15 songs I'm probably a genius but idk I just want to play for me or few more
piano is not childs play compared to guitar.... that is ridiculous, this coming from someone who has played guitar for 20 years
piano is easier for a beginner, guitar is more difficult for a beginner. at the intermediate level piano is more difficult, and once you get to advanced levels fucking forget about it, piano is insanely complicated.
Piano is stupidly easy. I learned to play it by myself when I was 17 or so. It was literally this: >see some youtube video of a guy playing piano >i decide its cool and i should do that too >buy a keyboard with christmas gift money >watch youtube tutorial in 5 minutes >by the end of day 3 i already know how to play ride of the valkyries with two hands
Fucking losers and idiots. How can humanity even keep up with me?
What is ridiculous is that a guitarist of 20 years is talking about the difficulty of another instrument he's never learned. Just because you couldn't play Fur Elise doesn't mean it's an insanely hard instrument.
>>25790133 >played piano throughout school >stopped playing when i got out of high school >have breakdown and go to mental hospital >have a piano >determined to learn chopin's waltz in c# minor >learned most in hs and never finished it >got out of mental hospital >got super depressed >still haven't learned it
Do you play both instruments? No? Then shut the fuck up because you don't know what you're talking about. I don't care if you've played 20+ years on piano, if you haven't learned guitar you can't say anything of real value in this argument. Spend over a year on both, practicing 6+ hours a day and then we can talk about which instrument is harder to play. (and sound good)
You're wrong. If anything I'm the reason people try to teach themselves. >>25798387 and >>25799893 are me. self taught on both with nothing but the internet and time. Maybe you don't take lessons (good for you) but I don't go around talking about technical exercises and shit like it's a fucking science. Pianists take themselves too seriously. You're just an ape making noise at the end of the day don't forget.
I'm 30 and started re-learning and playing again after 15+ years of not touching a piano or any musical instruments (used to play the violin and flute as well)
I totally forgot how to read sheet music and of course what that translates to which fucking keys on the piano, so reading one note has me going "G....F...E...D...B...shit..C...B... okay B... what the fuck is B on the piano"
but fuck it, as a NEET I have all the time in the world. if I cut back on my video games and 4chins shitposting I can get a few hours of sightreading and practice in.
>>25801360 maybe you learning to play again is the key to getting out of the depression hole.
>>25790133 I pianofeels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tr0otuiQuU :'( I'm 32 and I'm going to start learning to play the piano. I've been through alot and I think it's the only instrument that'll allow me to adequately express my feels.
>>25790133 I used to learn piano but can't play anything anymore, I regret dropping it. Does anyone know how can I learn how to play something decent? I have no money for piano lesson and an old synth. Maybe it'll help me to cope with melancholia.
>>25802107 It's not difficult to hear what to play in your head. Get yourself a DAW and a midi keyboard with a drum program.
This is basically all you need to write a disco song for example. Play these 3, 4/4 time, repeat the last chord, 120bpm, basic dance beat, on your drum machine, use a smooth sounding synth, add a bassline, a wah guitar, accent it in syncopation with some strings synth, sing. Shit should come naturally with some basic chords. Shit you could write an r&b song with even less. We belong together from mariah carey is 3 normal major chords and a minor, not even 7ths, 9ths, or sharps. Drop in a basic r&b beat where the snare hits on the 3rd beat. Easy. If you're trying to compose le classical I can see that it's more difficult, but you still just need to hear what you want in your head first. If I could play piano writing would be far more easy. I usually beat tunes in layers; drum pattern, main chord sound, melody, etc into my phones sound recorder and figure them out later anyway.
>>25790197 The thing about the piano is that almost anything you play, whether it's simply hitting a few keys, or playing something complex, it always sounds good. I'd recommend either using a friend or family member's piano, or even buying a keyboard, and just playing by ear. I learned how to play a few songs this way (even a little Beethoven),and, even though it's kind of hard to explain, it works. Start by playing something simple like London Bridge, then branch out and try tackling more complex works as time progresses, or create your own music.
The piano really just a beautiful instrument that transmits your emotions through sound. If you get one and try to play by ear, I guarantee you'll begin to see the world in a different way and the true beauty of our existence.
Damn, I could literally talk forever about pianos. Best fucking instrument ever.
>>25802810 I find playing simple melodies by ear not too hard, but most music that's worth it isn't just a single simple melody. It's usually a bunch of stuff layered layered on top of each other with different instruments or at least a melody and an accompaniment.
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