This board is so cringeworthy, holy shit all those fucking corny

please tell us how to get a grip

What the hell are you talking about?
I agree there's a lot to cringe at here.

>>25765161
Subjugate your desires - sublimate them into something productive

>>25765141
...For brew

>>25765141
lol I'm masturbating right now

>>25765173
Why the fuck would I want to do that?
Are you from /pol/? Fuck off retard.

>>25765141
>the emptyness of your life turns you into degenerated creatures.
>implying robots don't already see themselves as degenerated creatures.

>>25765141
>>25765141
How the fuck can someone be retarded enough to misuse the word "corny"

>>25765173
Using big words doesn't automatically make you opinion valid.

>>25765173
>>25765173
>if you spent all that time doing x and spent it on Y, ypu'd be in a much better position. No shit. Problem is I don't have a proclivity for Y because Y is fucking boring and difficult

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>>25765195
>big words
they are big words... for you

>>25765173
Define productive.
Explain why "productivity" is good.

>>25765173
ovenworthy pseudo intellectual garbage

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>>25765230
>the reality principle is pseudo intellectual

>>25765221
Productivity - not meaning to turn yourself into a wagecuck and be productive for your master - but productive as in working towards fulfilling your true desires (there is a clear distinction between fake and true desires, fake desires being for example the desire to consume or posess things with nothing but a fetishistic value). In the case of ''muh no gf'' this would mean that you actively direct your libidual forces towards achieving your goal, learning how to socialize, working out, collecting the courage to talk to them and so on - instead of escaping into masturbatory fantasy or keeping your mind buzzed through digital static.

>>25765141
But being a "degenerated creature" is more in register with what being a human actually means. I am just a ball of contingency and some sentience bearing the designation of "collateral damage." This whole species consists of deluded DNA junkies who inconsiderately continue a cycle of pervasive human turmoil into perpetuity and upholding a few examples of where it went "right" as the rule

>>25765276
Define "true desires".

>>25765173
define productive

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>>25765276
>there is a clear distinction between fake and true desires
Holy shit dude fucking stop.

>>25765173
Define "something".

>>25765317
"something" has an established meaning which can't really be misinterpreted, familia.

>>25765342
Define "meaning"

for i obviously lack it

>>25765281
>But being a "degenerated creature" is more in register with what being a human actually means.

As far as i know mankind is defined not by submitting to it's instinct but by it's ability to deny them. See Adornos dialectics of enlightement for a superb example through analysis of the Odysseia. - What makes us human is the ability to sacrifice your desires in order to not be sacrificied. It is the reality principle which makes our self subjugate our impulses - to self-sustain itself.

>This whole species consists of deluded DNA junkies who inconsiderately continue a cycle of pervasive human turmoil into perpetuity and upholding a few examples of where it went "right" as the rule

A very simplistic perception which is tied to the illusionary ideal of society. Dig deeper or expand your argument.

>>25765288
True desires, are quite simply the basic psychic and physical desires of a human. Food, Shelter and so on, most importantly sex. Only when those desires are satisfied does a human grow free of it's existential struggle - but to keep people in the treadmill and cover up the complete dissatisfaction which which our society provides us, despite posessing the means of fulfilling all of them (With sex and the entire social structure surrounding it being a bit more complex - yet inherently tied to this dissatisfaction as economic circumstances determine the form through which relationships between genders are established) - The subject is manipulated into believing that the objects of his fake desires can give him fulfillment - the experience of dissatisfaction can lead to awareness but society is in general structured in the way that new gadgets, new products, new things always replace that which came before - Or that the promise of (the american dream for example) is rendered completely impossible except for a few cases which are exploited to maintain the illusion of possibility to the community.

>>25765299
>anti-intellectual mouthbreather

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>>25765384
Forgot my CIA related image

>>25765384
>uses the term "degenerate" unironically
>quotes the vanguard of Art Entartete

You are literally a /pol/ meme-tripod

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>>25765384
>True desires, are quite simply the basic psychic and physical desires of a human. Food, Shelter and so on, most importantly sex
Fantastic, now riddle me this:
Do you really want to accept a biological imperative?

>>25765413
>degenerate in the sense of frankfurter school
>quote Adorno, the vanguard of critical theory

Excuse me, but is /pol/ not exorbitantly afraid of critical theory? Also why do you call it ''Art Entartete'', are you refering to the nationalsocialistic term ''Entartete Kunst''?

>>25765141

I like this board. The fact that a majority of people here are actually mentally ill or so severely out of it that they do not care one iota about social norms anymore means that I can avoid being criticized for my personality which is very liberating.

>>25765384
>>25765384
What is the teleological basis for humanity that justifies any of this woowoo? Nobody has to negate anything in the absence of humanity and I think if you do some clicking around you will realize that "free will" and "self-determination" is the most illogically incongruous idea on the map

>>25765453
>I think if you do some clicking around you will realize that "free will" and "self-determination" is the most illogically incongruous idea on the map
Why is that now?
I can prove without a doubt that Physicalism is false.
Why should determinism be true, if Physicalism is false?

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>>25765384
>stop being degenerate
>work towards most importantly, sex
normies, everyone.

>>25765444
Yes, of course I am. And its not my fault you sound like a /pol/troon

>>25765173
Define "into"

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>>25765173
>tfw tried to get into programming and drawing
>tfw low attention span
Please end me desu. I'm never going to be useful to this world and i'm just taking up space.

>>25765173
Define '' - ''

>>25765494
but you're taking the most important space in my heart anonie-kun~

>>25765469
>>25765469
Go ahead and prove that while I request that you put the concept of "free will" in intelligible terms where regards its metaphysics

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>>25765442
>Do you really want to accept a biological imperative?
Do you think that a robot is not doing it already? The difficult task is here to subjugate your biological impulse and creatively (which is barely possible in our society - which is not a critique in itself - compared to older times the options are much greater) move them. As ''ego'' you are getting fucked by the subconscious forces - yet it is the ego who transforms the demands and the drives into reality. You always act under a biological imperative but as a human you can determine, if you are willing to put the hard work forward that goes into this - to control how you transform the imperative into reality.

>>25765473
It is your fault, because it shows your complete lack of philosophical knowledge. The irony of calling someone, who argues from a position of critical theory, a /pol/-tard when critical theory is the greatest boogeyman of /pol/-tards seems to elude you.

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>>25765317
Wow anon seems to have stricken a chord right there, so much delicious butthurt.

>>25765416
nah i don't feel like it nigga

>>25765531
Dude, who the fuck actually SUPPORTS the Frankfurt school? I would rather have more depressed NEET layabout robots than SJW's.

>>25765513
>Prove this
D1: All things are nothing more than their physical component.
D2: Due to the way the PHYSICAL universe works all things must be predetermined.
P1: D2 is only possible if there is nothing more to all things than the physical.
C1: If D1 is false, D2 is false as per P1.
C2: There is more to all things than the physical component.
T1: Determinism must be false.

There is a proof to the second Conjecture, I'm not gonna bother unless you ask for it, though.

>I request that you put the concept of "free will"
You should be doing that, because you brought it up. I never used the term.

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>>25765632
The connection between Frankfurt School and SJW is inexplainable to me. The members of the Frankfurt School have vastly influenced leftist theory through their works - yet there are no ties to todays gender studies or idendity politics. The only connection is that the bourgeois moralistic faggots of the 60's were vastly influenced by it without grasping it's point whatsoever. If you check out what critical theory is, you will find that it stands in absolute opposition to the bullshit that the liberal left spouts these days. It condemned the dissolution of ties in society - while the SJWs move it forward. SJWs are middle-class faggots trying to play radical and i reject any statement which ties the actual works to todays leftist discourse from those which are categorized as ''SJWs''.

The connection was made by later theorists who absorbed aspects of frankfurter schule into their work, it does not stem from critical theory itself.

I stress this because if people were to actually read something as the dialectics of enlightenment they would realize how manipulated the image of critical theory is - and how absurd the conspiracy theory of cultural marxism is.

>>25765694
your rhetoric is garbage. The onus is on me to make sense of the retarded concept YOU believe in? Equally stupid is the idea that one must have a materialistic concept of the universe in order to realize "free will" is absurd. I was being sarcastic when I said "Go ahead and prove that because it is irrelevant". In fact we can have an indeterminate universe and still, where is the free will? in any chain of causality there is either causation or randomness, there is no magical third option where my fucking Fruitloops upsets the very flow of time by being the ultimate cause of something at some arbitrary interval. I am not even ann atheist but even I have my limits

>>25765141
>get a grip

How?

>>25766052
You haven't defined free will.

My argument is both valid and sound, if Conjecture 2 is proven to be true.

>>25766085
it seems like you are just a big fucking turkey because you've overlooked the fact that my position is that no such convincing definition exists. I am merely saying whatever you come up with as a model for the mechanism for free will in abstract terms, it will immediately sound preposterous. Go ahead

Oh boy, get a grip. That's new to my collection of retarded nonsencial things normies say.

>grow up
>man up
>stop whining
>just b urself

Just peer pressure.

>>25765141
YEAH

THIS ALBUM IS DEDICATED TO ALL THE TEACHERS THAT TOLD ME I'D NEVER AMOUNT TO NOTHING

>>25766074

GOTTA GET A GRIP

suffering doesn't elevate my existence, but it's my existence that causes suffering

>>25767154
>but it's my existence that causes suffering
This. Life is a series of disappointments and obligations. Only fools can delude themselves into thinking it is fun or "worth it".