I have noticed a huge uptick in anxiety and paranoia post these experiences, a switch was flipped and it stays with me nearly 7 years later
Changed me forever, not in the sense of paranoia and anxiety. Maybe just placebo effect? Maybe youve convinced yourself the mushrooms did it and latched onto that. The mind is powerful. Ive tripped probably a few hundred times over the last 10 years. Mainly LSD and Mushrooms but ive also done DMT a handful of times and some synthetics
Ive done mushrooms maybe 2.5 times? (weak trip once). I felt a flip get switched. It was more like weaponizing my anxiety. I felt like I finally 'got it' that sitting in my mom's basement playing mmo's while working a shitty part time job at Target wouldnt lead to suicide, but stagnation. 6 months later i had sold most of the things I owned and moved across the country to start a new career that gave me enough creative and financial freedom to figure my shit out.
>your brain wiring
Your brain isn't really "wired" like a mechanical device, it's a mushy jelly ball with a hundred trillion instances of communication from one brain cell to another. That makes it way more tolerant of even extreme forms of damage than what you're giving it credit for, particularly since psilocybin is not at all toxic for the human brain.
last time my friends parakeet took them he smashed my xbox because he was angry that another person would create a contraption with the sole purpose of distracting people and draining their money. His parakeet has been happier ever since but still has periodic feelings of depression. thats normal I suppose
There's a reason why you hear hippies say they did too much acid in the 60s and shit like that.
You shouldn't do more than one or two profound shroom trips in a year.
Psychedelic drugs can also trigger latent schizophrenia and other mental illness that was less apparent before.
I'm in a similar boat OP, I had a bad shroom trip two months ago and ever since I've been anxious and having panic attacks and afraid that I'm going to go crazy.
Then I realized earlier I've been drinking a shitton of coffee and tea every day (I'm talking eight cups of tea and two to four cups of coffee) so I'm gonna cut everything but water out and see where that leaves me on the anxiety front
I had tripped on LSD 6 times before I overdosed. When I did overdose I lost all of my anxiety and paranoia and my life changed for the better. Not sure why the opposite would happen for you. I don't think it's permenant though, just hard to change. Try reading a lot about philosophy or Buddhism and doing LSD instead. It has a much clearer less disociative feeling and helps me a lot. Psychedelics are very good for changing the way you think, you just have to know how you want to change first
I've tripped three times on shrooms. Each trip had challenging and rewarding parts.
I noticed a major reduction in anxiety and depression for about six months each time.
Perhaps you used them in a negative setting? Calm music, nature, close friends all help.
It changed me too. My thinking is changed. I'm more aware of the flaws in my senses and thought processes. The lies and social games more pronounced. Fear of filth and dirt completely gone. Being a dirty hippie is not just a meme
I have less desire for wealth and less tolerance for wasting my life in an office job.
When I meet someone who has done psychedelics i can usually tell
>Psychedelics are very good for changing the way you think,
This is accurate. In college I wanted to change my brain. Hated myself. Any drugs that could permanently change me the better
Ten years later, it worked. For better or worse
Benzos and alcoholism destroyed my memory. And got me laid
Shrooms and acid and cactus warped my thoughts, red pilled me, cured my ocd... And made me weirder and spacier
Salvia was the worst. Depersonalization for weeks afterwards. Evil drug
Opiates showed me what feeling safe and want free feels like
Dxm and whippets took me away and made me care even less
Cigarettes taught me what addiction means. Most people don't understand
Mdma did the least some how
well if you're seriously into buddhism and philosophy it's probably too late for you but maybe someone else can be helped. especially buddhism, if you buy into circular "logic" as "deep knowledge" you're fucked. and the rest of philosophy, probably not good to recommend to a guy with issues from psychedelic drugs to read about how nothing is real. if you really need philosophy maybe read about objectivism or egoism, avoid anything existentialist. open your eyes and live in the material reality, stop living in a dream.
I'm sorry but I really do recommend the opposite. If you want to start learning about Buddhism I recomend reading The Way of Zen by Alan Watts. It gives you a good idea of that way of life without being too unrecognizable to a westerner. Buddhism is really pretty good at making people happy and easygoing. Instead of wanting and trying to fulfill these wants you should try to minimize your cravings for anything material that way the happiness comes from the inside.
First beers and weed
Never smoke cigarettes
Next level is shrooms and cactus tea. Cactus is legal to get, six hours prep, and subtle. Mixing with weed is ideal. Shrooms harder to find, but don't need prep.
You must read worried thoroughly before doing any drug. Very serious. Set and setting. Learn it and live it.
No drugs before age eighteen. Older is safer. Brain not developed until mid twenties.
Coke is difficult. Most is cut with shit that makes it weak. Good coke is unmistakable. You will never feel as good as you do on that first line. Except maybe on crack out meth.
But I'm skipping levels.
After shrooms, LSD
whippets (overrated) dxm (underrated) don't do either more than a handful of times, clearly causing some brain damage there next morning
Mdma and coke if you want to be social and have the money. I hate uppers. I will never do coke again.
Pharma pills are okay but dangerous. Benzos are amazing. My absolute favorite because of anxiety and racing thoughts that I have. Goes amazingly well with weed (and porn)
Another warning: weed and porn is dangerously good combination. Watch out. Keep it to few times a year. Too much of a mind fuck watching Hardcore shit on weed.
I'm getting lost.
Life is a three course meal. Drugs are the dessert. They make it more enjoyable, but if you only eat dessert and skip dinner you are going to have a bad time
Salvia is weird as fuck. It's like a heavy, shitty shroom trip condensed into 5 minutes and you feel horrible for ~30 minutes after.
Honestly may sound crazy here but I'd say go straight for the LSD.
If you haven't smoked weed before, you should just so you know how to handle yourself while mildly intoxicated.
Alternatively I'd say shrooms, but from personal experience shrooms can be a lot worse than LSD.
LSD is much more euphoric and fun, shrooms are more dark, surprising and grungy.
The caffeine is definitely causing you panic attacks, the exact same thing happened to me, I was drinking about the same amount. You'll get even more panic attacks when you come off of it when you withdraw, just giving you a heads up but it does get better. You have to give it about 30 days till you notice a difference.
Caffeine inhibits GABA, it also flushes out key minerals like magnesium which is needed to keep you calm. It also dehydrates you causing a raise in cortisol. Basically that shit is bad for you
You're right about LSD, but it's harder to find and frequently not actual LSD these days. Shrooms are a sure thing.... But definitely more difficult.
Of my three shroom trips there was always a twenty minute phase of very bad feelings and anxiety, but working through them forced me to examine myself and I realized some profound things about what was causing my misery
Salvia is not meant to be used in concentrated form. I don't believe in anything supernatural, but I'll tell you what that fucking plant and the shamans that used it originally did not intend it to be smoked at 50x concentrate through a plastic bong in a dorm room with the TV blasting.
A quid of salvia in the woods on a hike is a much better idea. It will give you eagle vision. I spotted a tick from ten feet away ripping a salvia bowl on a mountain. But then derealization hit me at random times for weeks afterwards. Ever see a cashier turn into a 2d cut out while you and everything around you seems to be about twenty feet tall? But you're looking through your own eyes from ten feet back through a tunnel and feel faint but also feel nothing but also feel a sense of David Lynch movie dread???? Not worth it
weed has never made me lazy, you're just a lazy fuck. deal with it.
p.s. my anecdote counts just as much as yours does
p.p.s. i don't smoke anymore either because it's a shitty meme drug that fucks with your memory and aggravates mental illness
I did them with intention of positive expansion of my mind and opening up better ways of thinking...
What happened is I looked around the room and saw 5 people I grew up with who were not good people(self absorbed, screwing each others gfs secretly and some nailing peoples sisters), no real morality, just a bunch of fools....
I realized that I was wasting my life and had wasted my life with them, I realized I let them influence me into being something im not, I got enormous feeling of remorse for this, I could not stop focusing on this, I could not stop thinking of those I did wrong, I realized I was also to blame and that I was living my life wrong.... I started getting real anxious and incredibly self aware to the point of enormous anxiety, I did not feel like I was center of everyones attention in that they were all paying attention to me, but for the first time I felt like I was thinking of and being self aware of myself as to what I really was from an outside perspective, I had to leave the room and went into my apartment room and wanted to go to sleep to sleep it off but I ended up just litterally tossing and turning and feeling like I was being judged by god himself, an onslaught of vicious intrusive thoughts came at me nonstop for a period of several hours and I litterally wanted to kill myself to make it go away, at the same time I felt like I needed to right all my wrongs. It was a feeling of a mix of purgatory and hell...
I am not religious in any way and never have been, I am and was a athiest at the time tho I had a underlying sense of Christian based morality that I had ignored for about 10 years...
I stayed up all night and went to work at 7am the next day and going outside and being out at work, I found a complete opposite in feeling like I was baptized or something, all of the anxiety had gone away and I felt like I had a clean slate with a renewed will to do the right thing
before you take lsd just note that it will change how weed effects you forever, after taking lsd and nbome I can confirm that weed is a phychodelic drug. It's about a 50/50 chance that I'll trip balls whenever I smoke
Stay safe anon and stay away from stimulants they r the worst
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Sadly I gradually slipped backed into past habits....
I also smoked weed that night while everyone just did shrooms which may have added to the experience.
I felt very vulnerable that night and every time I smoked weed after that, that same feeling of being vulnerable returned and anxiety, I was able to mask it for a while but I eventually gave weed up all together although the anxiety stayed dormant.
6 years ago I got a life changing injury and those feeling returned with a vengence, I found myself having many sleepless nights, waking up in the middle of the night with nightmares and not being able to go back to bed, having a surreal view of reality to the point of wondering If i died as my mind struggled to make sense of my situation, I was almost 23 when i blew out the disk in my back, did the stuff i mentioned early at 20 years old and 21 years old....
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I always feel anxious around people, I feel very weak and vulnerable, I dont like having people stand behind me and get very nervous in lines at grocery store or gas station or at work, I feel like people see right thru me and that they are judging me, I feel terrible when i think of what my parents must think of me, I cant stand the thought, I cant eat with them, I cant sit with them, I cant find joy in music, tv, porn, writing, or whatever....
I also lost my job after getting hurt which was at work and 3 years went by till I got any health care for my injury. I have not been with a girl in 5 years, I have no friends any more, I work 4 freelance jobs and make poverty level income, I also work in the entertainment field of work which makes all of these things worse and is something I never wanted but it was the only job I can get. I only left my hometown for a year and have been stuck here with no real realistic exit plan due to these obstacles. I have a deep desire to take the easy way out but for some reason I lack the willpower to do so, I have overwhelming guilt for things that I should and also many things that I should not feel guilt for.
Yeah I definitely never had the greatest setting for my salvia trips, I would never fuck with a salvia concentrate over 15x. 50x is just insane.
Friends of mine have gone the quid route, I've heard decent things. They say they don't feel too much, but perhaps one day I'll have an opportunity to try some salvia hiking.
That derealization sounds rough I never had that problem with salvia.
Shrooms always get kinda creepy crawly on me. Not in a bad way, they just don't hit you with that wide eyed "everything is incredibly beautiful, transcendent, and amazing" thing that comes with LSD.
Interesting, I've grown salvia a few times but the leaf just doesn't seem to affect me much. I figure I really just have to smoke more than I feel like smoking.
First text completely describes me
I always sitted on the back of the class so I wouldn't have anyone behind me
I feel really vulnerable
I also feel unworthy of anything, this is the main thing that lead me into being a 18 yo kv
I've heard from a few people that mixing weed with a bad shroom trip will forever change the way weed affects you....the cannabis high becomes more edgy / paranoid as opposed to the previous euphoric, giggly mellow high.
It happened to me too. I'd always see those people that would get super quiet and paranoid when stoned, and I never wanted to become one.
Eventually I did. It happened, incidentally, after a few shroom trips that were iffy..not bad trips but just challenging.
It's been that way since, if I get stoned I get really spacey and paranoid instead of mellow and giggly.
Also, you've got this man. Don't take things so seriously. Apply yourself and realize that you're a valuable, loveable person. You're Healthy whole and vital. Capable of great things :)
>tfw have had homicidal impulsive thoughts ever since my only LSD trip
fug lads. I don't know what to do because last time I ended up telling someone I ended up in a mental facility.
The best way to avoid this is simply keeping yourself occupied
The trip must be an extra on anything you're doing
Try talking, conversations get really smart and simple when stoned
That is literally me too, I have not touched it in like 3 or 4 years... I cant even be around my closest friends who I somewhat keep in touch with...
My heart goes crazy beating....
Just being sober, I feel really edgy, like people are always looking at me and judging me, when people laugh or whisper, I feel like its at me, When I see people I know, I feel like my insecurities are in their mind, I have this terrible feeling of dread in my guts all the time and it gets worse around people, I have no appetite, I get sweaty and get really nervous when people try to hug me... I feel like death wants my name.
Any psychoactive substance has the ability to permanently change brain chemistry. In fact, most do.
It can lead to some serious shit though, like HPPD or schizo.
It happened to me. I have HPPD after abusing DPH for 2 years straight. You don't want this shit family.
Not really. As far as toxicity goes salvia is pretty benign.
I've smoked it a few times and haven't noticed any long lasting negative effects.
Nah. If you are predisposed to any mental illnesses (known or unknown to you) you could be fucked.
That's rough anon. They're only thoughts though right? Everyone thinks some weird shit.
True...it's when things get quiet that the anxiety gets worse.
i'm doing neuroscience PhD, so feel free to ask technical questions if you want.
mushroom trips will not themselves "change your wiring", the active component psilocin is fairly non-toxic and well tolerated. just have a read about it on wikipedia.
this is not to say that the experiences and feelings that you have while you're under the influence of psilocin can't "change your wiring", of course they can. this is the same for any profound, traumatizing, or intense experience.
the behavioural change that is catalyzed by mushrooms is typically for the better from what i've read and from my own personal experience. it seems like the key for positive change is successfully integrating the thoughts and feelings that you had while tripping with your everyday mental frameworks.
your first trip sounds pretty hectic, but also fairly typical for someone who bottles up difficult feelings and self-perspectives. these things come out in mushroom trips, for whatever reason it is very difficult to rationalize them or distract yourself from them.
if anything i would be thankful that these trips have made you aware that you have some psychological issues. i'm not going to try and diagnose you or anything, but i recommend you get some counselling if you can. i've been in a similar place and i managed to (somewhat) stabilise myself through the training i learnt in my psychology bachelors degree.
haha, nigger you were dumb to begin with. I smoke a lot, so does my grandpa, and we are both still sharp as a tack as they say.
Don't blame the weed. I get it, dumb people are more attracted to weed. But the idea hear is that it doesn't create dumb people, dumb people are just attracted to it more.
only taken shrooms twice, once was only 4 grams and it just felt like an intense weed high, only minor hallucinations (lights, what ever that shit's called when you press your eyes and you see white with colored spots, but with my eyes open), the next time, ignorant me thought taking more would be more of the same but better, I've never been more incorrect about ANYTHING. The next dose I took was 7g, via tincture, after a 3 day fast.
I can't begin to describe what that was like. It was going well at first, I did it with a friend who did the same dose, no weed for the come up, just wanted to experience it cold. I started to play Half Life the minute after I downed my disgusting meaty lemon juice. By the time I got to the resonance cascade I was already where I was my first time. Things were amazing at first, everything was so fucking interesting I can't describe it how amazing it felt just to perceive things. Like I would smell my shirts and they probably just smelled like musk and faintly of cigarette smoke but they reminded me of my childhood, traipsing through thrift store, looking for random things I thought were interesting. I started having intense open eye visuals, mostly chromatic abberation and visual distortions, at the time I would've sworn I was seeing a completely different color palette than the one we have here on earth, like it's hard to describe colors I have never seen before but I saw them. Next everything looked wet and runny. That's on the visual end, we kept looking at the clock and literally not being able to comprehend it, like I know when you smoke weed you think "huh is it really that time it feels... well I guess that's right" but no I completely had absolutely no understanding of time what so ever. So after smoking some black and milds and watching things on youtube I started to be unable to function. We had been walking around laying on the ground rolling around in between sitting on the couch but at a certain point I [continued]
just didn't have control. But that only lasted a short time, I could feel my mind working through the process "anon, you're rolling around, you might hit something stop it" and THEN I would, but I'd fall back into it. While fighting this and noticing my mate fighting it too, I noticed he was just fucking throwing skittles around the room, like from a big bag he found in the cubbard, he was just chucking them every which way and not to blame him, but this is where my trip started to take a turn for the indescribably worst. I started freaking out about the mess, because I also noticed there were empty bottles, wrappers, things like that, and worst of all I thought that he had spilled something because everything I saw looked wet and I couldn't feel or see to decern if it really was wet or I was just imagining this. After getting over this somewhat I still felt a feeling of intense dread and anxiety. Noticing I was having a bad trip and not feeling too hot himself, my friend offered to leave and let me sleep it off. Once he was gone was when I went to hell. I lied down on my bed and waited for sleep but I just kept feeling this intense fear over nothing, I would calm myself down by saying "everythings alright" and that would work for a while and then the fear came back. It was at this point I also dwelled on how depressed and lonely I was and I felt really really sad. [continued]
After what I thought was hours of torment I looked at my clock and only ten minutes had passed although I couldn't really evaluate the significance of this at the time because I had no concept of ten or minutes, but I remember visually the clock saying 16:25 when I went in the room and 16:34 when I left. I went to call my friend feeling bad I sort of kicked him out, luckily he had just been waiting outside the door the whole time because he forgot how to get home. So I let him in and we talked about the experiences we were experiencing and mostly zoned out to the sound of nothing. I smoked some more cigarettes and he just sort of sat there. After a while I still felt nawing anxiety and knew it would boil up again if I didn't do something. At this point everything being unfamiliar and interesting was growing really tiring. I just wanted to go back to the real world. At one point I called my mom and asked her if I could spend the night at her house because it's right across the street from my job, when she said yes it was like the heaviest weight in the world was lifted off of my shoulders. It was like all at once I knew I was safe. I felt like I was on the last 15 minutes of a long car ride back from a busy vacation. My friend was also sobering and said he could probably get home and we both got on the bus and went our seperate ways.
All told the trip probably lasted 9 hours with and after effect of just being stoned until I eventually went to sleep in the comfort of my old home. The days following though I didn't really have any after effects, other than I noticed my mood was a little bit better and I was more appreciative of the people in my life.
Overall I don't regret it but I'm never touching the fungi again.
Yes, a single trip can permanently alter you. Generally in a positive fashion (i.e. permanently more creative, permanently kinder, permanently more empathetic, etc.), but it sounds like yours fucked you up.
Magic mushrooms cause your brain to form new connections, so it's not impossible for you to have been altered forever by three trips, particularly if you cemented those new neural connections later by focusing on your anxiety and paranoia.
magic mushrooms dont make you "form new connections", they just change the way you think for a while. keep thinking in these new ways and you will get your "new connections".
their effect is way too diffuse to work the way you are explaining.
I don't know, but it's changed me forever as well, though in a positive manner, ridding me of much of my anxiety and giving me very precious spiritual insight. I used to trip at least once a week, and kept that up for about a year, 5 or 6 years ago.
You kick open a locked door with hallucinogens, which once opened cannot be closed back up.
2c-b as an aphrodisiac, interesting. makes sense from my own experiences with it but i've never read about that. i'm not too familiar with it really.
i wish i could do research on psychedelics, my field is visual perception.
most interesting shit i've read about LSD is in a book called "Intoxication: The Universal Drive for Mind-Altering Substance" by Siegel. He conducted research where he cataloged the mainvisual distortions produced by LSD, and then tried to figure out the actual biology behind them. i would have liked more details about specific neural microcircuits and modules being affected, but it was still pretty good senpai
Interesting, thanks for the info.
Not neurofag here but met some kids at a rainbow gathering that went on about how all 2Cs are mind ravaging, horrible substances that shouldn't be touched...they were speaking from experience.
Then I smoked some opium resin with the guy as he narrated exactly how it would hit me, as it was hitting me.
The guy was smart but spun the fuck out and honestly I'll take his word in regard to 2Cs.
At least you're giving more info than these pseudoscience cucks in here
For some people drugs get longterm hangups from even taking a particular drug once.
I'm sure its completely genetic.
My well adjusted normie friend has had horrible anxiety, depression and brain zaps after taking mdma two days in a row at a festival almost a year ago.
On the other hand my more robot friend who has extreme social anxiety has the most ridiculous tolerance and fortitude for psychedlics. He doesnt get any longterm negative effects from psych use every weekend for as long as ive known him.
I think its part bad luck and part being stupid when people fuck themselves up with drugs.
For some reason people keep touting mdma as some fun carefree drug but I see it fuck up a lot of people. Especially as most can't find it pure nor do they bother to test whatever it is they buy.
Yeah, I injected 3 whole marijuanas and overdosed. Thankfully the EMTs got there quickly and got me to a hospital. The doctors say the brain damage is permanent.
not him but I didn't enjoy salvia. its like psychedelic crack. you lose all sense of self and awareness, its like you take a hit, wait a few seconds and bang. next thing you know you don't know anything and you aren't you at all and there is no sense of self and you're blasted into a different universe. I don't remember much but it was shocking and uncomfortable. there isn't much to learn because the concept of learning or memory is gone. the five minutes seemed like a lifetime and my sitter says I kept wandering around and falling saying "what? what? what? what? what? what?" over and over. you sober up pretty quick too, towards the end you start recognizing things and can hear yourself talk but you don't know what is what
yeah, people are stupid. MDMA is actually really toxic and it could never be labelled as "safe". need to be careful with that shit. short story is that it causes you to produce a lot more serotonin than your brain would ever naturally produce. some of byproducts of serotonin synthesis are toxic, and these build up in your synapses and poison your brain.
MDMA is awesome but more people need to know its not safe.
I tell people shroomed cured my anxiety. But really I was never an anxious person in the first place. I just like talking people into trying shrooms.
Shrooms are great, but as with all hilucinagens, should be taken with caution. Make sure you only take them if you are fully comfortable with taking them, you are in a positive and safe environment, you are in a good mood, and only have positive people around you if you have anyone else there. Also, try to minimize outside stimuli (turn off your phone) and don't be some place where other people may fuck with your trip. Additionally, if you can, it might be a good idea to have a "trip sitter" (someone to watch you and keep you safe while you are tripping) especially if it is your first time or you are doing a much higher dose. Also, start with a smaller dose initially.
Also, try making a tea instead of eating them, this may help with digestion and will improve taste. Learn more by going to shroomery.org
It's very difficult for me to connect the dots, but I think having done mushrooms a bunch of times made me very depersonalized and disassociated with reality. Every day I space out feel like everyone is acting like robots that just don't get it. I feel that ego isn't real and my humanity has gone by the waste side. I feel enlightened but so much so that I can't cope or value anything, especially in periods of depression that come and go in life. When I'm down on my luck, nothing seems better than suicide. I can't blame it on the drugs, but I never had these thoughts before I did mushrooms a bunch of times.
interesting considering i probably took mushrooms incredible amounts with my peak of use being 4 months of twice weekly use of dosages from 8-16 grams. I went hard man
>you guys can ask me anything about my adventures including my 16 or so gram dose i took
>Make sure [...] you are in a positive and safe environment
If there is a way to make a 'psychedelic' trip even more ruinous than usual, it is to take it in a 'positive environment'.
'Responsible, informed psychonauts', right there.
I did that before, with A.D.D meds.
I played games all day, dropped out years ago, Then one day I took a
A.D.D meds and didn't care about vidya. I sold all my games and got a gym membership, got my GED, signed up for the air force, but before i got shipped off, I got congestive heart failure and got shipped to a hospital out of town for a month. Lost all my gains in bed, told to never go to the gym, air force will never except me now, sitting at home now taking 17 pills waiting for my heart transplant hooked to a piccline in my chest and a defibulator, playing video games with the money I get from disability.
I don't want to die, but I'll be honest, I'm sad.
(Because an exacerbated depression/anxiety hardly impairs you as much as increased empathy, love, acceptance, self-acceptance, blah blah. Again, if I were to take a dose, I would make absolute certain that I take it in the noisiest, busiest, most stimulating environment possible, listening to some technical death metal.)
i have exerimented with a bunch of different drugs. people underestimate weed, especially in edible form. it literally gave me depersonalisation and panic attacks for weeks if not monthss (i was not inexperienced with weed before doing the edible shit).
If I have sometimes anxiety because of over thinking about new staff I am about to do, Will shrooms help me?
I did tried weed a few times and it helped me in social situations
Mushrooms and psychadelics don't really "do" anything, regardless of what hippie trash will tell you. Mushroom trips just make you really, really emotional and hallucinate, and thats about it. If you take enough it might fuck with your brain chemistry but theres no guarantee that it will be in a positive way.
Can any drug fags help me out?
Last year I had around 7-8 shroom trips. First were great, but they got progressively worse. Last few left me with DpDr, panic attacks and feeling insane desu. Feel better now though.
I dont have weed connections but I can get shrooms. Every now and then I would like to get high without the psilocybin mindfuck. Is there a dose I can take without the mindfuck so I can just enjoy music, vidya, movies etc?
That's pretty much my story from a few years ago.
Ate a few too many brownies, had a fucked up experience and ended up with panic attacks and derealisation for 6 months... but it's been a learning experience.
I also find it absolutely baffling that weed is getting semi-legalised in so many countries now, especially the USA. But hey who gives a fuck? American doctors can give you Seroquel and other antipsychotic medications (which cause cognitive decline, lel) to subdue those feelings of paranoia.
The USA is a joke really.
I feel like my first trip 3 years ago never ended, in a way. I feel like I became permanently a lot more relaxed and at ease with things/down to earth. I think it really helped me.
Chemically speaking though, 99% of the Psilocin leaves your system within a day.
>don't recommend mixing drugs
This idea of not mixing drugs is a stupid broscience meme. Some drugs are 'dangerous' or more dangerous to mix. To name an example, benzos with opiates or alcohol can be very dangerous, but only in high doses though and it depends on your tolerance as well & other factors.
Mixing depressants with stimulants, contrary to popular belief, is often safer than doing stimulants, such as cocaine, alone. Of course I'm speaking in absolute terms now. Some "depressants", for example alcohol, have complex mechanisms of action and also affect other things and hence alcohol in particular is often unpredictable. One or two beers however are definitely safe.
And alcohol and weed is indeed a decent combo and can relax the feelings of anxiety which are sometimes provoked by weed.
If I smoke weed, which I very rarely do, it's always with two or three beers beforehand.
>You take them, and then surrender to the experience
What about anything of what you just said doesn't sound "recreational"?
Mushrooms don't really teach you or enlighten you on anything, they just make you feel hyper-emotional about what you think about on the trip.
>Don't do weed. It's the worst shit.
Ignore this man, weed is fantastic, just treat it like drinking. Don't do it a whole lot and when you go overboard, do it rarely. It will rot your mind and sap your willpower if you fall into the daily toke trap.
What were your dosages and what was your mindset going into the trips?
To enjoy your next trip you basically have to take a decent dose and be in a very relaxed, laid back state of mind and not worry about having a bad trip as that's a guaranteed way to have one.
Essentially, feel good going in, feel good coming up.
I had something like that, but it lasted 7 months instead of years. Fuck man I was close to killing myself after that long I have no idea how you managed.
But anyways during the last trip when it happened I kind of had a revelation that I always looked at other people like self centered pieces of shit when I was no different, and that the only thing stopping me from having friends was myself.
It didn't turn me into a social butterfly but I did progressively change over the years and I get along with people a lot better now
i didn't mean to suggest to get completely shitfaced drunk before smoking weed. Just a couple of drinks, like 3-4 beers (or a weak dose of benzo), to relax and then smoke weed. This is only needed for people in which weed can provoke anxious feelings.
The only things people do here is give meme advice which doesn't actually work (typical american-like behaviour). Bunch of spineless and idiotic cunts.
Just so you know, as PhD guy suggested, drugs have the intrinsic ability to point out what is wrong in your personal sober life (whether that be situational or mental). Those problems were always there, but the fact that you've experienced a new "plane of awareness" has highlighted what you were previously unaware of. Im speaking firsthand because after my shrooms trip (I also smoke weed every day), I felt like I lost touch with a part of myself and developed depression when I was merely removing the veil that defined my life for so many years before. I now question the religious dogmas that were so prevalent in my life before, Ive let go of friends, and I don't call myself the happy smiley guy I once was. BUT now I feel more sure of the things I believe, Ive made newer, less superficial life-long friends, and my happiness comes from a more genuine place whereas before I just 'chose' to be happy.
So your 'dissociation' with your humanity is really just you misreading a veil that's been torn down which so many people, sadly, still live under. Be happy that you now question everything and find strength in the meaninglessness of it all.
tl;dr psych drugs make you a better thinker and all around better person by challenging all of your previously held opinions.
>'It was thoroughly transformed, profound changes, deep alterations, utterly new perspective, significant adjustments, whole new revelations, broadened perception, complete reset, saw in a new way, my mind has been opened, my thinking has been done anew, whole fresh modes of thinking, absolutely novel, radically redone, incisive insights, vastly illuminating--'
>'Okay. Meaning what exactly? What exactly did it teach you?'
>'Uh, uhhh, I don't know. But it was thoroughly profound, deep, utterly new, very significant, broad and complete, absolutely new, you know?'
Every vapid drug experience ever.
It makes me mad that research money is wasted on this horsecrap.
>I was merely removing the veil that defined my life for so many years before
Jesus Christ. Druggie delusions are the most insipid things ever. There was no 'veil', you cretin, you just felt an epiphany and remain under the delusion that you WOW-SO-UNDERSTOOD something.
This is not what I would say, and we need more research because these drugs have the potential to be extremely positive influences on people. Also people are going to do them anyway and research will make it safer and the drugs purer.
Also, fuck, I just engaged a druggie. Now I'm going to get his regular damage control 'it's was very personal, it cannot be communicated, you don't get to decide what's meaningful for another person' shit.
No, idiot, it's a real thing. Some people don't need drugs to see this. I believe people that grew up with strict religious backgrounds or were born into a society that lies to them every day about morality NEED some kind of push into an awareness that says, "oh wait, I might be wrong?" I certainly neededit coming from a very religious background. It wasn't some OMGWOW DRUGZ experience. Don't downplay it's potential positive uses.
This, holy shit. This whole thread is nothing but a painful read.
I'd like to get the opion from someone who only did shrooms once or twice in his life, not some hippie faggot who smokes dank every fucking day.
For people with increased awareness, you sure don't know how fucking insufferable you seem with those babbles about 'other planes of consciousness'.
Stupid sacks of shit.
No that's not what Im saying at all. Are you even able to just consider an alternative opinion without dismissing it? Have you ever tried this shit?
What Im saying is it challenges you to either accept or deny what you've been fed. Growing up, my parents indoctrinated me into a faith that I really had no choice but to accept. Now, since drugs have the ability to highlight your doubts, I am able to ask myself questions I was previously afraid to ask. It's not some spiritual awakening. It's only your brain acting differently.
The delusions wouldn't be as bad if they didn't come with degeneration of personality. For instance, look at him: >>25745275 >>25745256 >>25745324. He self-righteously fancies he 'understood the arbitrariness of morality', but in reality, what happened is, the trip has diminished in him the sense of importance of being right. Either through empathy, 'I understood I should be more accepting of others' points of view and I shouldn't be so aggressive with my views because it makes ppl cri ;_; ', or through pseudo-introspection, in which occurring at objective conclusions, either a hypothesis is true, pales for him in attractiveness to spouting shit such as 'everything is subjective/depends on the context/is disputable/blah fucking blah', which he has just become wrongly overwhelmed about. But the endgame is, the tard has just become more religious, more likely to preach than to discuss facts, ranging from economy to history to neuroscience to fucking anything.
we had subjects tell us they they understand various ethics, the usefulness of discipline, the usefulness of religions, one guy even told us he hated his own name but now appreciates it and its drastically helped him become comfortable with himself. one man explained to us indepth of princepals that he was able to contrive from his 'post trip thinking process' about the power of perspective and how counterproductive it is to not consider all elements, leading to an egotistical and toxic interpretation of life. these people had organic insights about them. if you want more verbatim to help you consider more about their experience, i can supply that. although, then again not everybody we met was educated and thoughtful so that might be where your coming from, but we had lots to learn from everyone. we were seeking to understand people and personality, not judge or diagnose them.
>the usefulness of discipline, the usefulness of religions, one guy even told us he hated his own name but now appreciates it and its drastically helped him become comfortable with himself. one man explained to us indepth of princepals that he was able to contrive from his 'post trip thinking process' about the power of perspective and how counterproductive it is to not consider all elements, leading to an egotistical and toxic interpretation of life. these people had organic insights about them
Utter. Religious. Drivel.
Utter toxic rambling about importance of understanding of comprehending of points of view of realizing of getting of perceiving of conceiving of transceiving of thinking of I'M GONNA FUCKING BARF.
This is what 'psychedelics' reduce people to discussion of. This crap used to only fill Buddhist self-help books.
Fly Agarics are the only shrooms I like, but they don't really belong next to psicobilyn or whatever it's called.
Also they're not even close to being deadly unless you consume more than a dozen in a single sitting
They cause delirium which is not really a very pleasant thing for most.
But I only feel great with drugs that cause me to go paranoid and induce anxiety, this includes space cake with very high doses of marijuana
Don't like psychedelics at all.
Dissociatives are ok.
I don't really understand people when people say that LSD opened up their minds of removed a veil.
Maybe it's because I didn't have a religious upbringing and have never believed in god or a god for as long as I can remember.
I swear, before one takes 'psychedelics', there is a chance of a meaningful discussion, about technology, or society, or the brain, or historical linguistics, or furniture... but after the trip, all you're going to get from that person is just mental diarrhoea about 'importance of always considering that points of view are always arbitrary and that understanding is always of utmost importance and that every concept is inherently SHUT THE FLYING FUCK UP.
Man, I realize that we can't talk about this because your dismissiveness blocks your understanding and heightens your ego. You're fine writing people off as "druggies" yet you refuse to suggest that you 'might' be wrong. Idk if you know, but most discoveries are made using questions like "what if we are wrong?" I feel bad that you can't just discuss this instead of literally dismissing it at every angle. Again, have you ever tried any of this shit?
If you have problems in your life and aren't happy with yourself as a person mushrooms can just wreck you. Imagine all your worries condensed into abstract, nightmare like delusions.
It can help you to fix your shit but it can also leave you with a flimsy grip on reality and suicidal thoughts.
It can be a life-altering experience for many people but the initial shock especially if you got hidden psychological issues can be huge.
He obviously did not mean a metaphysical veil like the Hindu veil of Maya.
He does not mean he is super enlightened or that hes uncovered some universal truth.
What he means is that the drug can force you to process memories and ideas without the ego justifying the behavior or spinning it a certain way or suppressing it with distraction or forgetfulness.
You are hit with memories/ideas thoughts and as you are under the influence of the substance you can't mentally run away and hide.
WAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAH HE DOESN'T WANT TO EXCHANGE PLATITUDES THAT EVERYONE CAN ALWAYS BE WRONG AND THAT EVERY SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGH REQUIRES MENTAL HUMILITY AND THAT OPENNESS TO EXPERIENCE IS THE FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT OF COGNITION AND THAT ONE SHOULD ALWAYS LISTEN TO OTHERS HE'S SO UNENLIGHTENED WAAAAAAAH
Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
Dude calm down. I never said you become enlightened (at least in how you intend). You just can't run from questions under the influence. You're forced to think without influence of the ego. AGAIN have you ever tried it??
>the drug can force you to process memories and ideas without the ego justifying the behavior or spinning it a certain way
I used to ask people for examples.
And it's nonsense. False. Not real. Not occurring.
Druggie 'realizations', stripped of the pretentious phrasings, lofty vocab, forced metaphors, rambling paragraph lengths, torturous meandering reasoning, ALWAYS come down to 'I understood that I shouldn't care as much'. That's all. That's the practical extent of every single druggie epiphany.
>You seem angry
Pinnacle of 'psychedelic' insight: having reservations no more against against smugly saying 'mad much?'.
I mean, yeah, that's the whole point of "meaning", if you can't even come to any conclusions about what was said, why bother talking? That's not meaningful at that point, it's just entertainment.
Psychedelics are fun and all but jesus try not sniffing your own farts
>You just can't run from questions under the influence. You're forced to think without influence of the ego.
Any 'thinking' done under the influence of 'psychedelics' is vague platitudinal garbage, 'I understood deeply that I should embrace x'-tier or 'I understood deeply that x is not everything'-tier. They are a glaring insult to the capacities of the human brain.
>ALWAYS come down to 'I understood that I shouldn't care as much'.
Most humans aren't bastions of willpower, it takes an actual experience to change things like that.
Otherwise it's the equivalent of saying "just b urself brah"
(The tragedy is, of course, that they come with an emotional shock and a chemically induced *impression* of meaning, which is why druggies cling to them so dearly: 'I--I--I know it doesn't sound profound, but it deeply transformed my life, this means it is meaningful after all!'. This is, of course, nonsense as well -- again, getting kicked in the arse can change your life too, but it isn't 'meaningful', unless you're tripping at the moment of the kick -- because when you're tripping, you're willing to literally call a bird crapping on you for a transformative experience.)
See >>25745578, tard. The fact that a vacuous trip nonetheless changed your life doesn't make it meaningful. Druggies just want to slap the term 'meaningful' onto the experience because it fits so neatly their impressions of a revelation during it.
Im sorry to hear that's your experience (which I doubt you've had considering your blatant hostility), but YOU'RE experience is not objective for all experiences. Now, in my sober life, those things stick with me. The idea that we accept without researching what we believe first sickens me. It didn't make me just blindly accept that 'hurr everything is a lie' which is what you suggest. It made me realize that I MUST KNOW what I believe before I accept it. The only way you arrive at that conclusion is to first accept that you could be wrong. So while Ive learned that some things I previously believed may not be true (as many religious dogmas have no real way of being proven, and in fact, have more ways of being disproven), it has strengthened some of my other beliefs exponentially.
You really don't understand the concept of objectivity do you?
Nobody is using the word "meaningful" without having a good argument to back up. Again, respond to OUR comments and not the comments of "all the druggies you know." Also be less hostile because then you'll have a more intelligent discussion with us if you do.
the previous poster >>25745168 you attacked gave concrete examples.
you seem troubled by the notion that altered states may allow people to overcome mental blocks and grow, where does this hostility emerge from and why is it so difficult to believe given that drugs effect cognition?
what alternative avenues should we explore if this is so reprehensible?
>'I understood that I shouldn't care as much'. That's all. That's the practical extent of every single druggie epiphany.
>25745168 post detailed a significant life rearrangement including cutting ties with toxic people which was very hard, and that he is not as apathetic and carefree these days but what he does care for really matters to him, the experience has allowed him to re-prioritize.
I will give you another example, there is an experience on high doses of psychedelics where the sense of self starts to dissolve, you forget who or what you are and even language seems to fade away. This can be quite a scary experience and has been reported (and I can verify) that to the person it feels like dying. This experience reminds us of our own mortality and to best use our time and value those around us as all is ultimately transient.
I hope we can have a civil discussion without it degrading into personal insults.
>YOU'RE experience is not objective for all experiences
Holy shit, 'you don't get to decide what's meaningful for another person', just as I quoted in >>25745226!
Also that's bullcrap. You've become MORE likely to believe spiritual shit. You're just going to call your beliefs 'having an open mind' and 'just doing justice to every hypothesis' and 'just being agnostic'. Don't delude yourself (or do), just because you've jumped out of the theistic bandwagon doesn't mean you haven't jumped all the others. Dunning-Kruger tends to pop up in unusual places really, experience shows.
No, see you're being an idiot now. You make assumptions based on what we say, around your own personal beliefs, and then dismis them. You're just dismissing false assumptions at this point. If anything, it strengthened some of my religious beliefs while it challenged and threw down others. So no Im not "off the theistic bandwagon" and spewing my new, agnostic (which Im not) bullshit.
You are literally impossible to have a discussion with because you outright refuse everything based on your own experience, when there are literally billions of people in the world with their own realities and experiences.
Stop being an idiot.
>the previous poster >>25745168 you attacked gave concrete examples
In your drugged brain, those sure are concrete.
> point[ing] out what is wrong in your personal sober life
>highlight[ing] what you were previously unaware of
>removing the veil that defined my life
Run-of-the-mill 'I'm more enlightened because I feel so', with which no new competence comes.
>overcome mental blocks and grow
'In what way?'
'In what way?'
'I moved forward.'
'In what way?'
'In what way?'
...The druggie thesaurus, AGAIN.
>This experience reminds us of our own mortality and to best use our time and value those around us as all is ultimately transient.
I would slap my three year old son for saying that kind of bullshit if I had a son.
This is a non-knowledge, a non-fact, a non-thought, its value is nil. Show me a conclusion even at the meagre tier of realizing that in nature there is no suction or coldness, or that there is no temperature in vacuum. Show me something that actually says something. Show me something that actually takes thinking, takes reasoning, and isn't just an artifact of a brain crapping itself.
actually, this is what you read in a post that i can filter through and abridge. maybe i left parts out that had nothing to do with those concepts. or summed them up to cliches? my point is, that was merely the subject of discussion for our study. we asked them for this, but definitely not only this and our other departments of question were just as fulfilled. man, would you criticize them if they were chefs and went in depth on concepts of cooking, frying, baking, broiling, boiling, or roasting? drugs didnt help these people magically surpass the scope of their own thinking ability nor did any of our of subjects testify that they did, and we heavily surveyed this topic. it only gave them an experience which we asked to share.
If you only needed a few micrograms of alcohol to get drunk, it would be totally safe for your body, too. Just like benzodiazepines are completely safe as long as they aren't mixed with other depressants.
As /r9k/ waddles on through its normie infestation, the druggies coming out of the woorwork become more and more voluminous.
It is becoming humanly impossible to talk at all of you. I'll let >>25745724 be my last post ITT.
WE GAVE YOU ALL OF THE EXAMPLES IN WAYS IT AFFECTED US. Are you kidding me? If I had to say even ONE thing it's that it proved that I need to research EVERY LITTLE PART of what I believe before I accept it....As I said multiple times. I have CONCRETE evidence as to why I don't believe things that I accepted my whole life (Im not going into them all because I dont want to start a religious discussion) and why I DO believe others. Get your head out of your ass.
Well, just one:
>there are literally billions of people in the world with their own realities and experiences
I trust that it escapes no clean anon in this thread by this point that 'everyone has his own reality' is a druggie staple -- and why.
>I n-n-need to reaaasurch
Okay. So you "researched" your religion before you accepted it? Boy, that sure can't be something every other convert claims. No, I'm sure you're the only one who "researched" it, whilst everyone else, who hasn't taken psychedelics, just blindly accepted their religious beliefs. Right.
Actually yes. My entire family blindly accepts their religious beliefs and if I ever bring up physical evidence to challenge it, it's always "we don't have all the answers." So I need answers, which is what YOU ALSO said you need in discussion. We're talking in circles now and people don't need drugs to see the problem with religious blind belief. I did because it was my upbringing and I was afraid to ask certain questions because it challenged me tremendously. Drugs make it so that you HAVE to think about those things. Im more fulfilled as a result of having answers.
>druggie speaking of facts
No, retarded one, that 'everyone sees colours differently' is not a 'fact'. A fact would be knowing that particles provoke electrical or whatever impulses that stimulate certain cortical areas. Which is an example what happens in reality. Not 'a reality'. Not 'the reality'. Reality.
Your tripping has widened the chasm between you and materialism to the degree you're probably not even aware of.
(Of course, amongst the many facets of their selves that druggies fall short of understanding is the fact that they don't understand that the societal danger of 'psychedelics' is exactly the gradual, insidious *shift* whereby vacuous reproaches that 'everyone has his/her own reality' *replace* discussion of what actually fucking happens in reality.)
(I mean, if an academical textbook actually SAYS that 'everyone perceives subjective experiences differently' as opposed to explaining the empirical-materialistic perspective, then it is as good an opportunity to declare that our society is doomed as any.)
I gotta say you do have a point here. Whereas many people, like me, see how important it is to know what is REALLY happening around me, others choose to accept complacency as a comforting mode of dissociating themselves from REAL problems. See this is now what we call "rational discussion."
its funny that you guys are arguing even about anything. drugs revolve around emotion. thats basically the point of them. on the -opposed- side of the argument, someone argues that drugs producing emotional and mental changes are pointless and then labels it "druggie" as if rendering it non-existant to real logic or thoughts. well.. okay. but why else did the druggies do drugs? they werent expecting be able to levitate or have superpowers now but for some reason you are. if theyre happier or have healthier thoughts or what the fuck ever, why does it matter to you? you should congradulate them. the drugs did their job. what did YOU want to happen?
Made me accept things about myself that I was previously self-conscious of. Brought new awareness to myself and how I treat other people, which made me more aware of how my actions affect others. Everything looked intense.
>Can someone put in three sentences what shrooms changed in their minds?
1. 'I understood that I should take responsibility for my life.'
2. 'I understood that everything exists in the mind.'
3. 'I understood that everything is contextual.'
In other words, delusion of free will, delusion of solipsism, or delusion of subjectivity. Choose your delu^H^H^H^Hinsight.
>Brought new awareness to myself and how I treat other people, which made me more aware of how my actions affect others.
*puts on a small, defeated, hopeless voice*
C-could you please provide, maybe... I--I understand if those are specific already, but I thought-- maybe-- if you were so good, could you maybe provide even more particular examples of those? It's fine if you can't, I understand. I'm sorry. But I just can't quite imagine what 'new awareness' means. I mean, I know I'm stupid. I'm sorry. I understand that 'psychedelics' increase awareness so thoroughly that it is impossible to pinpoint any exact understanding they've brought. I understand. I'm sorry. But still, maybe? Okay? Thanks. Thank you. Thanks.
>How about understanding and being able to apply knowledge?
B-but that's a narrow conception of meaning! There is also personal meaning, which doesn't have to stand the test of objective utility! You're n-narrow minded!
Finally realizing that certain people are a bad influence and summoning the initiative to remove them from your life even if this involves social or financial repercussion is not concrete?
Realizing that certain religious dogmas were likely crutches without basis and it requires more courage to press on without such certainties is not concrete?
>This experience reminds us of our own mortality and to best use our time and value those around us as all is ultimately transient.
>I would slap my three year old son for saying that kind of bullshit if I had a son.
>This is a non-knowledge, a non-fact, a non-thought, its value is nil
The sensation that your time will come and we all die at a level deeper than just superficially nodding to that fact then getting back to procrastinating with the gut feeling that sure I can't die is not a worthwhile revelation? That we should not be flippant or ignore or put off spending time and forming relationships/bonding with people we care about or share common interests passions? How is that not worthwhile, important?
I think we should collectively decide to stop responding to this patronizing cock. He won't understand, NOT because drugs haven't "enlightened" him (as we've apparently been saying), but because he refuses to accept that drugs have any positive value. It's just that simple. And it's sad. Later dudes.
>'I grew.''In what way?''I developed.''In what way?''I moved forward.''In what way?''I advanced.''In what way?'...The druggie thesaurus, AGAIN.
It is not a druggie thesaurus, it is how normal human beings conceptualize their journey through life you seem to have difficulty with analogous or metaphorical speech. You seem to need everything exhaustively explained with examples given rather than thinking of your own or using your imagination.
The growth for instance may be realizing that short term pleasure just for itself is hollow and it is more satisfying to work hard for things, acquire skills and achieve and that actions which help or bring pleasure to many are most satisfying that your own momentary pleasure which is easy to attain and chase, but leads to nothing but a hedonistic treadmill.
By moving forward I mean say getting over the grief of a dead relative, or ceasing dwelling on your time in highschool and pressing on into the future such as employment or your own individual adventures.
What you have to realize is that for most people who partake in such drugs do so with a purpose: to come out the other side more balanced, compassionate roundedindividuals, with hopefully their priotiries clearer.
It is not some objective knowledge that you get through running algorithms through a machine with a solid undoubtable answer. It is an emotional journey, which is often hard to explain to those who have not partaken because the sensations and feelings go beyond what can be explained through conventional language, whatever is written about it is just a vague approximation.
The ultimate question we need to answer is did the trip make them a better person in hindsight. Some of these things can be measured objectively, as you are so keen on objective measurements, such as:
>are his stress levels reduced?
>is he more productive at work?
>his he decisive now or is he stuck not knowing what to do all the time?
>how does his family feel about him and what do they rate their relationship with him?
>does he now have drive and motivation?
Now, it is true that their are plenty of druggie-burnouts who use drugs as escapism, but of all the drugs you could use mushrooms can be a real cruel mistress, and most of those who partake would only trip at most four or so times a year, usually with a purpose in mind, not just DRUGS ALLDAY LMAO.
>Finally realizing that certain people are a bad influence and summoning the initiative to remove them from your life
>he refuses to accept that drugs have any positive value
>By moving forward I mean say getting over the grief of a dead relative, or ceasing dwelling on your time in highschool and pressing on into the future
'You're so narrow-minded when you say that eating that apple didn't teach me anything! It did! It taught me that apples are objectively better than oranges! They taste better and they have better texture as well! You have no idea what you're talking about. Come back when you're ready to appreciate making real leaps in knowledge, you autist.'
Oh the joys of being wronger than wrong.
lol how are those gonna matter when mankind is dead? everything is made FOR emotion. there is effort made in technology and science and art for the sake of faciliting happiness. why the fuck else would we bother with anything?
And now, you particularly:
>The sensation that your time will come and we all die at a level deeper than just superficially nodding to that fact then getting back to procrastinating with the gut feeling that sure I can't die is not a worthwhile revelation? That we should not be flippant or ignore or put off spending time and forming relationships/bonding with people we care about or share common interests passions?
Absolutely not, and I am, even now, even now, genuinely baffled how druggies can not see this. This is like saying that liking cats and FUCKING LOVING CATS are different levels of realization. This is just a changed priority. Quantitative. Before the trip, you paid attention x to thing A. After the trip, you paid attention x * 300 to thing A. And you confused that for a qualitative character development because you're a dumb druggie who can't even tell objective knowledge from a subjective judgement.
>hard to explain to those who have not partaken
>whatever is written about it is just a vague approximation
This is utter bullshit that you have invented and incidentally also the reason continued increase in usage of 'psychedelics' is going to contribute to the societal collapse, in the vein also of >>25745914 >>25745887 and >>25745459 >>25745375. Your rambling falsehoods about impossiblity of explaining and impossibility of communicating are going to replace explaining and communicating.
As for your pitiful list of 'benefits' -- that 'drive' and 'motivation' are just motivation to socialize, as well as during that socialization to concede comfortingly that 'it's fine, it's fine, everyone has his own reality, it doesn't matter if you two can't communicate, it's normal, just live your life, don't get too hanged up on the fact that you couldn't explain, what matters is just to pursue your goals, there is no point arguing, some people are just autistic losers who get lost in details'.
Another run-of-the-mill useful idiot.
Think women studies/African American studies, political denial of hereditarianism... Basically a turning away from hard science, from anything that presupposes objective reality. Instead talking about 'roles', 'appropriations', 'narratives', feminist shit like that. This is squarely contributed to by 'psychedelics'-induced empathy.
If paying more attention to it leads to valuing it and using it to the best of your ability rather than neglecting it is an important development for an individual,
I don't see how a rational person could disagree with this.
If something is finite then it is more precious. You will utilize it more fully, you will be able to focus on its potential rather than ignoring what is in plain sight. If you assume it will always be there, there is little animus to explore it fully and use it as a vehicle for change.
I am not saying it is some massive creative discovery, but it can be a real watershed moment for a lot of people.
>This is like saying that liking cats and FUCKING LOVING CATS are different levels of realization
This is levels of the same sensation. What I am suggesting is the removal of the lie or gut feeling a lot of people tell themselves that they will live forever, or death never will really come. They are quite different.
Conflating emotional changes ('I understood that I REALLY should...') with a factual realization, which 'psychedelics' do nearly inherently, is an example of something that must be exposed and warned against in fucking primary school, not contributed to.
>What I am suggesting is the removal of the lie or gut feeling a lot of people tell themselves that they will live forever, or death never will really come.
So you basically declared yourself as an arbiter of how people should feel about death: namely, more strongly. Not only are you a retard, you are a shit person in the first place. No wonder though.
Still, this doesn't even matter because 'psychedelics'-wrought empathy impairs relationships in matters much more tangible than that.
>'Postmodernism' could also be a keyword perhaps. Again cf. the 'everyone has their own reality'.
If anything psychedelics has lead me to a more scientific materialist mindset. I know I am a bunch of neurons, communicating from different regions with varying roles in keeping me going so I can spread my genes and continue the cycle.
I know this because psychedelics slow down signalling between different regions, you can feel parts of your sober self detach or become impaired. The discombobulating of sensation and sense of time/feeling/body sense makes it clear that we are biological organisms under the influence of a drug which interacts with serotonin receptors.
Most of what you mention has more to do with Marxism, The Frankfurt school and the myth of the blank slate, the myth of the blank slate particularly.
The idea of the Blank Slate has its origins in the enlightenment and has persisted with great strength as a paradigm long before and after psychedelics became studied or a part of counterculture.
Ideas about objective vs subjective reality and idealism have been around since the Greeks or before and have persisted with or without drugs.
Oh, but, I just remembered from days prior, you're going to invoke the 'psychedelics are just a tool' lie, whereby they have no power to influence your choice of pursuits outside your control.
>The idea of the Blank Slate has its origins in the enlightenment and has persisted with great strength as a paradigm long before and after psychedelics became studied or a part of counterculture.
>Ideas about objective vs subjective reality and idealism have been around since the Greeks or before and have persisted with or without drugs.
If you think either of those is relevant, your materialism is probably declaration-thin as well. Because you are retarded.
Of course those predate 'psychedelics'. And, of course, this doesn't matter because their use solidifies belief therein.
>What I am suggesting is the removal of the lie or gut feeling a lot of people tell themselves that they will live forever, or death never will really come.
>So you basically declared yourself as an arbiter of how people should feel about death: namely, more strongly.
No not more strongly, but that it will come and life is precious. And no I don't believe it should be enforced on others, but if an individual happens to better understand their finite time on earth through psychedelics I believe it may have some value.
The phase of hypocritical, slimy backpedalling.
'N-no I'm not advocating them, I'm just letting people form their own educated opinions, is all, I'm just talking about them, no advocation there.'
I would never expect a druggie not to be a backpedalling coward.
psychedelic substances have been ingested for as long as humans have been around, and many reputable anthros believe they are what helped us develop emotionally and gave us the ability of deeper and deeper thought, passed down from generation. but now only the jew overlords say thats enough evolution, make it illegal so they can take full control.
>life is precious
Also, that's meaningless. Life has no objective worth.
It's in the small details, you know, druggie? You're going to take liberties. You're going to hypocritically say 'yeah yeah there is no objective value', but you'll still let slip mentions like that, about importance of this or that. Because you *like* that. Because your empathetic brain has taken a liking to telling other people what to think.
>psychedelic substances have been ingested for as long as humans have been around
You know what I meant -- that I accommodated to that poster's claim of their presence in the western culture.
>reputable anthros believe they are what helped us develop emotionally and gave us the ability of deeper and deeper thought,
Universal administration of 'psychedelics' is still not yet around, and consequently their pushers from the '70s are not yet seen as savious of the human race. Give it two or three years.
>only the jew overlords say thats enough evolution, make it illegal so they can take full control
If Jews' goals are for there to be less religion and more materialism, in the sense ranging both from what's generally understood as atheism to acquisition of material goods, then I can only be grateful. I would hate for my interest in how material devices such as computers or microwaves or automobiles work to be replaced by the emetically insipid 'appreciation of the broader goals in life and a broader perspective and understanding what's truly important'.
I'm so dissapointed in you /r9k/. You let yourself be trolled this hard by such an obvious shitposter.
Every thread you post the same points, which are challenged or refuted but rather than exploring the matter furter you frame it back into the same narrow points without really addressing what has been said.
You also tend to assume a lot and pepper your replies with insults and straight up vitriol.
It is almost like an obsessive tic or dance which has to be undertaken.
What do you get out of this? An elevated sense of self worth or relief that you have fended yourself off against degenerate attackers?
It is simple, some mind-altering states can be beneficial to individuals (mentally, social-relationally etc), there is data suggesting this, but given individual variance (past, history, genes etc) experiences can vary and it is interesting discussing what was useful or troubling and whether the experience was worth while.
I have had in total three mushroom experiences over five years, two were troubling and I regret, one yielded positive results when it comes to how I interact with friends and family- I am more honest, plus I finally decided to explore a horticulture/environmental science course rather than vidya and shitposting.
I am not a "druggie", Aside from a beer every couple of months and a few coffees a week I am pretty much straightedge.
I don't go out advocating drugs, but if they are brought up in discussion I will share my experience. The pitfalls and problems with them are clear too, but since they have been covered earlier in the thread I did not raise them and since you were so quick to denounce the very idea that they could be useful I had to rebut.
Since the "druggies" and you seem to have no common ground, and no progress will ever be made, why don't you just claim Victory and move on to greener pastures. If you like I can stand-in for you and copy pasta your messages at the start to get it over and done with so our degenerate discussion can go on without derailment.
>eight cups of tea and two to four cups of coffee
fucking hell mate id rather take pure marijuana injections to the brain every day that drink that much caffeine. no wonder you feel anxious and shit all the time
>I am more honest
Honesty requires saying things that are falsifiable.
>some mind-altering states can be beneficial to individuals (mentally, social-relationally etc), there is data suggesting this
Yes. Yes. From the rate at which things are going, I think studies on 'psychedelics' will actually fucking begin to state 'we have found psychedelics to be beneficial'. And 'safe', let us not forget 'safe'. I just can't imagine for societal intellectual standards to somehow sink even lower.
>I don't go out advocating drugs
You are a liar.
Most people don't have heart issues. Of course stimulants should not be taken by people with shitty hearts. But even then, ritalin can still be taken even when you suffer from congestive heart failure as long as the chf is treated and not too severe. But that's for your doctor to check.
every time illegal drugs have helped me I say this.
America and it's medical industry can eat a big ass sack of rotten dicks.
They expect me to pay out the ass for side effect filled pills that won't work for a month and even then they might make me kill myself
weed and shrooms helped what this Zoloft was suppose too in a fraction of the time. the ssri gave me the sex drive of 30 teenage girls in heat and made me extremely aggressive. why can't they just sell us the illegal stuff already?? It works pretty well
Benzodiazepines aren't physically "completely safe" you utter retard. They are physically addictive, have intense withdrawals, and it is possible to overdose on them.
None of this is true for LSD.
I have though. It's not very severe since I had surgery when I was a baby and I have routine checks every year. I know that Adderall isn't good for your heart, I just though Ritalin was relatively harmless.
Salvia caused derealization for me. I have a very strong sense of self though. I never questioned myself, only the world around me.
The worst thing about salvia is the constant deja vu. I had like 3 extremely strong bouts of deja vu a day for like 6 months. And they freaked me the fuck out while I was thinking about the nature of reality. I had to talk myself down from panic attacks like 4x a week. But now I'm good, and I can't smoke too much weed because I'm so used to talking myself down. I also lost all anxiety for anything at all and nothing worries me anymore. I had a job interview yesterday and wasn't nervous at all.
mushrooms make me lose my shit
i just feel shit about every bad thing i ever did and want the feels to be over
dextromethorphan on the other hand..
>a possibily psychotic and schizophrenic LSD/shroom/pot user scaremongers people about benzodiazepines
Lol, fuck off. It's virtually impossible to overdose on benzos alone. Read some medical literature. Also, benzo withdrawal is highly exaggerated on the internet and can easily be tappered off with long acting ones such as diazepam (valium). As long as you don't take them for months continuously and/or at extremely high doses, they have a very good safety profile.
>The anti-drug dark knight that lurks in the shadows looking for drug related threads so that he can continue his righteous campaign.
>The pro drug knights clash stell with the lone warrior
>A glorious Internet battle over the ultimate fate of absolutely fucking nothing.
>This happens at least once a week
Every time. Never c
It refuted every objection you made, you delusional hippie.
Lsd and shrooms are literally bringing about self-induced temporary (usually lel) mild psychoses. You don't learn a single thing from them. When you take an antipsychotic medication, it pretty much stops the trip.
So enlightened you people are.
You absolutely fucking retarded faggot, are you able to read and comprehend English?
Benzodiazepines cause PHYSICAL harm and dependence issues. The extent to which they do this is irrelevant.
Psyhedelics like LSD and psilocybin carry zero risk of physical harm. You will drown in LSD before you overdose on it. Psychosis is a mental issue, not physical.
Just kill yourself already you pathetic sperg.
The question was whether or not psychedelics and benzos have negative physical effects.
The answer is no and yes, respectively. End of discussion. The extent of the benzo's negative physical effects is irrelevant in this context.
Just end your autistic life already if you seriously are unable to grasp something like this without me spoonfeeding it to you.
If they are used responsibly, like once or twice a year (in my experience this works best for me), they can be a powerful medicine for the mind and spirit when taken in sufficient doses and in the right set and setting. Psilocybin doesn't really change your brain wiring but increases the communication between parts of the brain that are not 'normally' in frequent dialogue. When used responsibly, you can really have a profound experience that will put many things into perspective.
once i ate an eighth of some blueish mushroom. didnt leave the woods until sunset. saw faces in rocks, the creek, trees, etc. felt like i was in a different timeless realm. the sun was like liquid gold and felt pretty happy desu family
that experience changed my life
Why is weed considered a "light drug"? Am I the only one who just gets lost when I smoke?
DUDE LMAO me all you want but I honestly feel like thc is like an eight shroom trip but instead of everything warping around everything looks clean and glimmering
Stronger than adderaII/coke/xanax and maybe a light dose of oxy. Anyone else feel this way?
Psychedelics have embellished humanity with great works of art, music and literature. The thoughts that happen under the influence of psychedelics are valuable in that they offer a unique perspective that can often result in truly remarkable results. Francis Crick was under the influence of LSD when he conceived of the double helix structure of DNA.
Not the poster, but since you asked nicely. Psychedelics can 'expand your awareness' in terms of how you percieve yourself psychologically. For example the experience of an altered state of consciousness can peel back layers of mental armor that we build throughout our lives - often covering up pain or insecurities that we're not even aware of - and reveal to us patterns in our thinking that dictate our behavior and arguably to an extent the state of our lives and relationships with other people. It's impossible to provide someone with a concrete example of the value of the psychedelic experience because it is very personal and obviously a subjective one. The fact is that they can help people heal themselves emotionally and morally. .