How much do you guys value a girls virginity?

>>25729674
100% Required
No Hymen No Diamond

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Kuji

>>25729750
Hachikuji is definitely best girl.

>>25729674
Virginity doesn't mean loyal. You could marry your virgin high school sweetheart and she could still cheat on you. Virginity just means inexperience, the idea of pure lies with you, and as I already said, virgin doesn't mean loyal.

Virtuous is what you want, it embodies honor, loyalty, faithfulness, goodness etc. but that's a big ask since a lot of men act like dogs so whats the incentive for women to be better to appease that? None

>>25729674
stopped caring about that shit when I was 16.lost virginity when I was 18.

26 now with a normal sex life.

had 2 serious gf, both weren't virgins.

just don't date sluts

Considering the only reason I'd bother with romance is to be a father, it is absolutely necessary for me as well. So long as I'm sure the child is 100% us, it doesn't matter what she does afterwards.

>>25729674
If you're not a virgin yourself, you shouldn't date virgin girls you scummy goober.

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>>25729806
Their reward is the chance to be with me.

>>25729846
I am a virgin, I'm not a hypocrite and would be fine waiting for marriage.

not at all. I'm not a virgin, so it would be hypocritical of me to expect that from a gf. however, I don't want one who opens her legs for every Chad who even says hi either, could never trust a roastie like that. 2-5 partners is ideal, with 2 at most outside of a committed relationship

>>25729674
I'm a romantic, if I ever do lose my virginity and I would much prefer it to be with another virgin
However I'm already 18 and getting older, I can hardly expect girls to wait when they have people hitting on them and vying for their attention constantly
As >>25729806 says, it's what virginity represents that I value most, your pure virgin qt could still cheat on you
and just because a girl has had sex before doesn't necessarily make her a complete slut

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>>25729806
Virgin might as well mean loyal. The statistics confirm this.

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>>25730068
and of course I post the wrong image

>>25729674
very important

could overlook in exceptional circumstances, either if they were raped, or if they changed their ways after seriously turning to religion (as long as they were repentant and still relatively pure)

would prefer hachikuji to 3dpd though

>>25729819
>a whore fucking whores

Go be a braggart fornicator somewhere else, you murdered of /r9k/.

>>25730082
>1995
Wonder what the numbers would look like today.

>>25730114
The religion part is bullshit, last thing I would want is some born again catholic with a disgusting past.

>>25730082
Take into consideration the luck and statistic of your average robot. Chances of finding a gf? Slim chances of finding a virgin gf? Even slimmer. Chances of finding a virgin gf who will remain loyal? You're better off playing powerball.

>>25730162
thats why i said relatively pure. if you sucked your bfs dick when you were 16 and legitimately feel bad about it i can get over it. if you're a born again whore, good for you, but I'm not going to marry you.

Doesn't matter to me. Requiring it as a necessity is just autistic.

>>25730082
women who have only ever had one sexual partner have likely had only one relationship and are more naive e.g. less likely to leave a shitty relationship.

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>>25730186
this is why most robots have given up
those that haven't are yet to be redpilled enough

>>25729674
Beggars can't be choosers.
I think most virgins who vehemently spout "NO HYMEN NO DIAMOND" have some sort of special snowflake complex (or something like that). They want to feel like they're her first, like she was saving herself for him exclusively, because they feel like they're special. The have some kind of grandiosity complex, I guess. Of course, you can have preferences, but I feel like this is the case more often then not.

No one-night-stands and preferably very few partners, all during committed relationships. I'm 25 and have no delusion that I would ever meet a virgin girl around my age.

It's just unreasonable to meet a virgin at my age. And if they were one I would question why.

>tfw gf got really drunk and admitted that she had sex with 38 people before me

>>25730235
But they really do set themselves up for failure. They want to win powerball otherwise they see no point in living. They choose to be miserable more often than not.

>>25729674
Depends, honestly. If it's only been with men she's been in an actual relationship with, it's alright, I suppose.
But if she's just a slut riding everyone in town?
NOPE

virginity is a myth nowadays m8

>>25730288
Did you break up with her on the spot or next day?

>>25730293
>if I can't be Chad Thundercock, life is not worth living!

>>25730288
this is pretty hot desu.

no, ive 8 partners and one of them had slept with 4 guys, at 1st THAT KILLED ME, i was fuming and emotionally bullied her, but i then realised i was being a pussy and that at the end of the day they fucked her once, i fuck her daily

>>25730353
Ya, to some fucking degenerate it would be.

>>25729674
none, virginity is a bad meme that is rampant on this board.


I want a horny slut in a gf, not someone who'll not fuck me and then break up with me because I think about sex too much. Or a girl that just lays there like a starfish during missionary-only sex.


It's amazing how delusional robots are in thin king that THEY are going to be the one that a girl has sex with the first time.

>>25730288
thats fucking loads, holy fuck

>>25730479
this, im a sex maniac, i need a gf who is a sex maniac also

>>25730479
How is it delusional? Everyone has a first.
Besides I don't mind not having sex as long as she's a virgin.

>>25730288
>if I put down an unrounded number, they'll believe me

>>25730293
You're implying gf = life and happiness. Nobody here who wants a virgin is throwing a tantrum or threatening to kill themself over it. Do you really not understand how someone could prefer to be single than chase after something they don't care for?

it's pretty necessary

i actually had one, and we lost our virginities to each other, but she left me

now i'm 19 and doubt i'll find another

>>25730515
No its not, you've probably eaten more than 38 pizzas in your life and thats wayy unhealthier. Sex is just a past time like you playing video games. How many hours have you pumped into that.

>>25730448
you're a fucking degenerate who thinks all women should be shrinking wallflowers who never offer themselves to anyone but yourself. leave your fucking mancave and see how women feel about your misogynistic attitude.

>>25730562
i did this, i honestly am glad i lost my virginity this way

>>25730555
the first time is always awful and awkward.

and then, you're stuck with her. You're her first real lover, you can't break up with her even if the relationship ends up being miserable. There's no way that relationship ends with you not being a complete piece of shit.

what exactly is the pro side of dating a virgin?

>>25730596
ok cuck you tell yourself that, most girls ive been with have had about 4-10 partners, fucking 38 lol

thats 38 penises inside one vagina in the space of like 5 or so years, or less

>>25730560
What i understand is some people are so immature they don't have a realistic world view and that their philosophy is, everything has to be perfect the first time.

not at all.

I actually feel kinda bad for guys that only sleep with virgins, like you're pretty much guaranteed to get a dead fish

>>25730598
I do go outside, and I've told multiple people that I'll only date a virgin. Guess what? nobody really cares. Most thought it was completely fine. Only one person was bothered by it and even they didn't say anything to my face.

>>25730632
And you've probably masturbated 38 hundred thousand times within 5 years. Whats your point? They are just better at doing things than you.

>>25730598
Nice bait
No rating, not today

>>25729674
Virginity doesn't matter for me. As long as I can feel somewhat assured that she hasn't just settled for me, but actually genuinely likes me, I'm okay.

I sound like a raging cuck.

>>25730632
>>25730596
samefag, or shitty b8

Without the social shame for having sex out of wedlock the value of virginity is fucking gone. The thing you should be looking for is if she actually values the relationships she has had despite it not working out over having sex to just have sex.

In short, don't date or marry a whore.

>inb4 a non-virgin in a whore

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>be 25
>not a virgin but years since last gf
>16 year old girl from wagecuck job seduces me
>go to her place
>tell myself "okay just practice kissing and then be like 'oh you should be with someone your age etc'"
>practice kissing
>15 minutes she's riding my dick
>cum
>instant regret
>oh no what have I done I have ruined the innocence of this young girl
>mfw it turns out she had more sexual partners than I ever did, girls included

I never took a girls virginity until about 8 years of being married. I'd always regreted never fucking a virgin. But an oportunity came up and me and this lass were messing around and I slipped it in, didn't know she was a virgin till later, we didn't duck then so I said we won't class that as it. Met her a couple more times and fucked the shot out of her, she was an 18 year old filthy lass. Not a bad fuck but if I didn't know she was a virgin I wouldn't have been able to tell much. I think it's probably more of a big deal when you are losing it as a younger teen but I was a bit disappointed. Most girls will have already shoved something up there so it doesn't matter.

>>25730638
But they don't mind if there isn't a first time. If they were really "beggars", like is argued so often here, they'd go ahead and sleep with whoever they could get their hands on. Dropping their values and forcing themselves to be desperately obsessed with sex in order to please people like you is what is idiotic.

>>25730671
it's not even bait. i do believe that, although i guess my wording was a little inflammatory. how can you expect something of your partner that you don't expect of yourself?

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>>25730682
B8, the other guys not me

>>25730774
If your values stem from stupidity, ignorance and stubbornness and only causes suffering then yes its worth dropping.

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>>25730711
>tfw the average school girl has seen more pussy than most wagecucks in this board

>>25730955
>causes suffering
You should try reading posts you reply to.

>>25729674
Completely necessary, I value it a lot and want to wait until I know it's the right girl.

>>25729674
none, I only care if they're a good person. Whether they once were or not doesn't matter, it's what they are NOW. Everyone can change--I used to be a narcissistic bastard but I learned to change.

>>25730979
and desu the reaction I got from some of the people who knew was pretty stupid BRO WHAT ARE YOU DOING SHE'S ONLY 16 BRO ARE YOU A PEDOPHILE BRO SHE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A PENIS IS even though it's all legal.

Although others were like "haha, oh that is SO Anon". but desu she was the only girl I went for that was much younger, youngest age difference before that was 3 years when I was 21.

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>>25730339
>>if I can't be Chad Thundercock, life is not worth living!
But it's not.

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>>25731175
i'm gonna try the same soon. wish me luck

It's ridiculous and impossible to expect your wife to be a virgin.
Remaining a virgin until marriage was expected about 1000 years ago. But that was only because people got married when they were 16-17,
Did you know that no where in the bible do they talk about pre-marital sex? Just adultery. And that makes sense. It was written in a time when being past 18 and being unmarried was incredibly unusual.

Of course people are going to be fucking around that age. Sex is a basic human need. In the past, people had their wives and husbands at that age.
The problem is, modern capitalist society doesn't allow getting married and settling down with kids at that age. You need a mortgage, you need a job, you need an education. All these financial considerations that didn't need to be taken into consideration 1000 years ago. To get a good career these days, you need to spend 5 years of your life at university and then spend the rest of the decade saving for your future. There is no time for a marriage, which is then consummated by having children. It's unthinkable. By asking this generation to save themselves for marriage, you are asking them to go the most virile years of their lives without sex. Which is incredibly unnatural.

But that's the price of capitalist civilisation, late marrying age. To facilitate your perfect world, society would have to regress. We would have to give up everything we have achieved and become an agrarian society, where we don't have to worry about financial pitfalls and education. Do you really want to give that all up?

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>>25731315
try your best senpai! if I didn't know any better I'd swear that teenage girls are naturally attracted to 20-something year olds.

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>>25731331
>Sex is a basic human need

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>>25731209

>he hasn't seen onimonogatari

Anon, I don't know how to tell you....

I value it, but I realize its so unlikely I cant expect it from her

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>>25729674
Absolutely necessity for a bride, would even marry a little girl to be sure of her virginity

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When the fuck did /r9k/ get invaded by butthurt roasties and their whiteknights?

>>25731331
>I cant hold back my desires so it's unreasonable to expect someone to.

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>>25731331
>Sex is a basic human need
Then why am I not dead you fucking retarded cunt?

outside of trolling none at all tbhnest

but hey if you are obsessed with who you lost it with who am I to judge.

>>25731331
None of us are trying to control society or tell people how to live, unlike yourself. There is no reason at all to be this offended by seeing that some people value virginity.

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>>25731447
>>25731584

The fact that you can go without sex and still be the acme of mental health doesn't mean that lesser beings can't go without it without some distress.

We can't all be enlightened monks.

>>25731560
>>25731633

I'm just reporting what I observe.
The point is, you can't control the flow of culture and values. It's just a reaction to circumstance.

So don't get upset when it doesn't go your way.

>>25731653
>pyramid drawn by Chad

>>25731653
So if its a basic need do we have a right to it?

>>25729700
this unironically

I'll never marry a non-virgin and I'll never seriously date a girl who has slept with more than a couple of ex-bfs.

>>25731806
so you will waste your time dating non virgins, but you wont marry them?

>>25731690
>you can't control the flow of culture and values
I just said that. Nobody's trying to.

>don't get upset
Looking at this thread, the most angry, hostile posters are the ones who agree with you. It's as if you people take "I value virginity" as some kind of personal attack when it really isn't at all.

>>25729674
I know a guy that was waiting for a virgin. He is 58 now, he eventually gave up and married a single mother in his 40s, do you realize how long ago that was? He grew up that long ago and there were no virgin girls then, why the fuck do you think there will be one now? Trust me, there will not be after 14.

>>25731943

>the most angry, hostile posters are the ones who agree with you

We are not saying that your expectations are unrealistic out of spite or to put you down.
We are just reporting the state of the world.

I mean, if you have a goal, then fine.
But be realistic about it.

>>25731463
n-no she comes back doesn't she?

I will "hook up" with any woman i find attractive but wouldn't marry a slut.

>>25732021
Yes, don't worry.

>>25732054
define a slut

>>25732067
Any girl that's not a virgin.

>>25731734
Only if you're female or chad ;^)

>>25730666
>38 hundred thousand times within five years

masturbating 2082 times a day would be tricky desu

>>25729674
do you know where you are

or did you just want to be the OP of an overblown, stupid fucking thread?

Honestly, the fact that it's been years since the bitter virgins settled in here is depressing as hell. If you're mentally ill or grieving or something, then I kind of get it, but solely being here because you've not gotten your dick wet is depressing.

Truth be told, anyone can get a girlfriend. It involves two steps:
A) Lower your standards
B) Try.

Obviously A isn't an option. Only a pure virgin waifu deserves your heavenly untouched wang.

>>25729674
It'd be a nice bonus but I don't really care that much unless they have had 500 dicks prior to sleeping with me.

It depends. Over the age of eighteen I think it's weird for a girl to not have sex. Girls who don't believe in sex before marriage are usually frigid and devoid of affection. They only see the practicality of working as a team financially.

Having sex should be something you get out of your system asap through hood rats or hookers. People who don't have it well into their twenties become obsessed with not having it and judging those who have.

Dont care as long as their partner count isnt above like 5

>>25732077
>wanting her to cheat on you because you're the only guy who's had sex with her and you can't satisfy her needs.

whew lad, not a good strategy

>>25729674
I value submissiveness

Virginity doesn't matter to me at all in the same way it doesn't matter how many people have ridden the same bus as me.

>>25731940
Do you think I'm going to meet a virgin marriage material girl? I don't.

>>25730082
Sometimes I feel like people could easily mis-interpret statistics when you forget that at the end of the day, these are people being surveyed and not the true, actual numbers.

All I see is a chart that proves that 30+ yr old women in stable marriages are least likely to report that they've had numerous non-marital sexual partners on a survey.

Which makes sense.

>>25732288
>wanting her to cheat on you because she's been spit roasted by Jamal and Chad and you cant bring the same level of sexual excitement as her she experienced in her youth

>>25732475
people's sex drives decrease over time from their first experiences senpai.

You want a girl who's had her horniness drained out just enough, rather than have someone who you can't satisfy and more importantly don't know how to please.

>>25732542
Nonsense, people's sex drives have nothing to do with the amount of sexual experience they have.

>>25732938
that post is so stupid I don't even know why I'm bother replying to it

>people's hunger has nothing to do with the amount of food they eat

>>25732962
>Wha ? Dinner - no thanks I ate a bunch last year.

just want one at some point for the novelty otherwise i dont give a shit

As a femanon who is still a virgin at 23 getting ready to be 24 soon...say I do start dating someone is it best that I don't tell them I'm a virgin? I have no idea how I would ever go about this situation. Is it something I should just keep to myself or would you want to know?

>>25733117
Just tell them once you feel like you know them well enough. Most normies fetishize it and want to be the one to "help you out" or whatever but somebody more old fashioned will basically just sigh in relief and keep on going as per usual.

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>>25732445

>it's just a statistic, it's not like you can infer anything out of it or anything

>>25733117
Are you willing to just toss your v-card aside? Do you feel like it won't be a big deal to you?
Then you don't have to say anything.

>>25730250
I started dating a 13-year-old girl when I was 24.

Are you autistic?
>>25730288
>dating an old hag

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>>25732021

Anon, I don't know how to break it to you...

I'm already 23 so the only chance I have is going after freshman girls at my uni or looking through some kind of connections, but I definitely want one. Mainly because I've been betrayed by women on so many occasions that any form of betrayal makes me drop them on the spot. I can't trust a woman unless I know for sure that she would never stray.
It's probably unfair for me to want one when I have this kind of baggage, but I don't care at this point. I'd rather die alone than ever deal with a roastie again. Even more likely, I'll probably buy some supermodel's egg and just use an artificial womb. Single dad would be best.

>>25732938
one's sexual experience is directly guided and caused by the level of their sex drives senpai, what planet are you from? That's why prudes are generally virgins and sluts are horny. There's no slutty prude out there.

>>25733065
>go to buffet
>be absolutely starving
>only drink water because of reasons

>>25734124
>one's sexual experience is directly guided and caused by the level of their sex drives
tell that to all the robots rubbing their dicks raw

>>25734177

That's why I added

>That's why prudes are generally virgins

not all virgins are prudes, but definitely the overwhelming majority of prudes are virgins, and no pudes are sluts.

>>25733511
>I started dating a 13-year-old girl when I was 24.

Sure you did. What other fantasies do you pretend are real?

Here are a list of things that are more important to me than her hymen.
>Her values (must be similar to mine - environmentalist, cosmopolitan, socialist, feminist etc.)
>Her demeanour (not be a bitch)
>Her interests (must have them and be willing to share them with me and vice versa)
>Her intelligence (must be at least one standard deviation above the norm)
>Her education (must at least be studying for a bachelor)
>Her bra size (I could never date a chestlet)
>Her waist circumference (must be below 25")
>Her sense of humour (shoot all 'oh so random XD' bitches)

Honestly, I think if it came down it, I'd prefer if she'd taken a cock or several before we met. She needs that baseline to compare me too. That way, if she chooses to stay wth me, it's because I'm fucken awesome, not because she doesn't know better.

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>>25729674
It's a fairly good indicator of marital success.
Links
http://nationalmarriageproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/NMP-BeforeIDoReport-Final.pdf
http://www.medicaldaily.com/ignorance-bliss-when-it-comes-marriage-fewer-partners-youve-had-more-likely-your-298752
http://socialpathology.blogspot.com.au/2010/09/sexual-partner-divorce-risk.html
http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2012/08/more-promiscuity-data.html
PDFS
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_028.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf

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>>25733552
but they at least see her again in that time travel arc

>>25730219
Or they are just better at choosing a partner instead of chasing the alpha male? You can spot a bad relationship before you start opening your legs.

>>25733511
>I started dating a 13-year-old girl when I was 24.
Elaborate you liar.

>>25735468
This, 100% this.
"omg! he changed! he didn't used to be like this!"
Is the female dindu nuffin' when it comes to dating shitty people.

>>25734648
>>25735492
>fantasies
j e a l o u s y

>>25735606
Just elaborate niggah, tell the damn story

>>25735413
>Her values
stopped reading there

>>25735437
>http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fnchs%2Fdata%2Fseries%2Fsr_23%2Fsr23_028.pdf

So uh, according to this decade and a half old data, it is a less reliable indicator than race, education and living situation at home.
>Virginity confirmed for not mattering.

>Some blogspot link.
Wow, that looks pretty credible.

>>25735626
I've been telling it for two years.

>>25735752
> it is a less reliable indicator than race, education and living situation at home.
The findings are significant and you haven't eliminated its significance by citing more damning metrics.
>So uh, according to this decade and a half old data
If you have more recent work, I'd like that too.
>Wow, that looks pretty credible.
It has links to the studies inside, and since he didn't do the research the credibility of the work isn't harmed by being found in a blogpost, I just find it's easier to spread an interpretation of the data that has links to the data than just the data itself.

>>25735785
So you should be able to just re-post it, why didn't you save it to a txt file?

>>25735413
Flat chests are top tier anon , why would you settle for cowtits?

>>25729674
i don't really care. i just don't want someone who's bored of everything and doesn't think sex is special.

my opinion is irrelevant, though.

>>25735752
>>25735925 here, and the study found in this blogpost
http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2012/08/more-promiscuity-data.html
link here:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3737.2010.00819.x/full
is from 2011, but it still pulls from an old survey. Someone will need to find a new survey and then study that if you want absolutely fresh data and conclusions.

None of this changes the fact that virgin bride marriages are far more unlikely to divorce.

>>25736031
Doesn't it bother you to think the girl you're kissing has sucked some other guy's dick with that mouth?

>>25731331
>Do you really want to give that all up?
Yes you whig nigger
"Progress" is not inherently good

>>25731633
>>25731943
The reason they take it as a personally attack is because they're either women that aren't virgins, so it's an attack on their past behavior, or they're men who date non-virgins and feel like you're calling their gfs trash (they are trash).
These faggots can't handle someone not thinking their partners or themselves are the most valuable thing on the planet.

She can do what she wants.

I've given up on love. I just want to kick start my career and tinker with cars for fun in my garage.

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>>25731331
>But that's the price of capitalist civilisation, late marrying age
The marriage age was increased by culture changes leading to legal regulation, not by economic systems. Both lower marrying ages and capitalism have existed at the same time.
>Did you know that no where in the bible do they talk about pre-marital sex? Just adultery.
Check my google-fu.
http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_premaritalsex.htm

My preferences have more often than not been all or nothing. I was formerly religious so the import of a virgin spouse has been ingrained within me forever. I am a virgin and intend to stay that way until the night of the wedding day. I could never be happy with sloppy seconds. Exceptional circumstances like rape don't count though.

>>25736111
not him but no, not unless it happened earlier that day and she didn't brush her teeth.

She also farts out of her ass, that doesn't mean I don't like grabbing a handful booty

>>25729806
>a lot of men act like dogs
Chad treats you like a god

I'd be nothing but kind, loving and faithful towards you. But I'm an average looking male, so I don't count.

>>25736756
Who made dog and god so similar to spell

>>25731331
ITS 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>25735944
Because I didn't feel like it.

I lived next to her when she was born and babysat her and crap and then started dating her when she began spending too much time at my house and got sexycute.

I don't care about virginity at all tbqh f.am

>>25730068
http://jezebel.com/first-woman-arrested-under-law-criminalizing-drug-use-d-1604675582

Note the "filed under INJUSTICE" at the top

>>25729674
Listen, I'm purer than snow. I'm 18 and still haven't had my first kiss yet. If I have sex and contract stds, I'd be fucking pissed. I really want some fresh and new goods. It will be a learning experience for the both of us.

>>25737063
As if the past 4 years of hardcore pornography and masturbation hasn't soiled you. Pure as snow my ass.

>>25737116
Ok I've masturbated. A lot to hentai/ecchi
But I can't just get off to real porn. I just can't.

>>25729674
I don't care about virginity. No value at all. And I'm a male virgin.

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a lot, non virgins are trash

>>25737116
>As if the past 4 years of hardcore pornography and masturbation hasn't soiled you. Pure as snow my ass.
I doubt masturbation has the same psychological impact as sex, idk anyone who's fallen in love with their hand just because it gave them an orgasm.

>>25737490
>implying you wouldn't call a women who regularly masturbates a whore

>>25737628
Honestly I wouldn't, but I've been on /cgl/ and women have threatened to break up with guys because of their porn collection and they raid the computer looking for it.

>>25731331
>ctrl+f "fornication"
>0 results

>>25730242
I dont want any else's semen on her eggs desu

>>25738525
Californication is the second best RHCP album after Stadium Arcadium

Know some """ fembot"" off here that has fucked like 35 guys.
One who fucks dogs.
One who's only had sex via rape.

I'd only date dog girl desu

>>25729838
Have you heard about DNA testing? Technology is grand, man.

>>25729923
Fuck off you filthy tripfag, noone likes you

defloration is one of my turn-ons so that would suck and i'd always feel like i'd be stuck in the shadow of whoever fucked her first

>>25730242
Non-virgin here

Virgins are inherently more desirable, every single time, in every situation.
A 5/10 virgin is equal to a 8/10 non virgin.

>>25729674
I hold absolutely no value in a girl's virginity. Being 22, it's not like my chances of finding a virgin are high, but even if they were, the very idea of holding it as some sacred gift to be taken from her by me just seems stupid. If anything, considering my age and overall inexperience, a girl who's had a healthy sex life would be totally ideal for learning the ropes as quickly as possible. Unlike a virgin, she'd known what she likes and what she wants. It wouldn't be us awkwardly fumbling around for 30 minutes trying to make not feel uncomfortable for us both. A girl with some experience can make it as good for me as possible while simultaneously teaching me what makes her tick. A virgin, unless highly inexperienced in her own self-pleasure, would have a hard time helping me get her off in the best way.
Don't get me wrong though. I'm not knocking virgins. The idea of discovering the ins and out of the whole affair together sounds fun even if a bit awkward. I just feel like a girl with experience would be much more ideal since I'm not some bright-eyed teenager anymore.

>>25729674
>living in a western country
>finding a girl who is still a virgin past the age of 15

pick one and only one