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Anybody taken any types of antidepressants? Ever tried anything that worked? Been taking SSRIs and I feel like I'm wasting my time.
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I'M ON WELLBUTRIN MAN GETS YOU UP GETS YOU GOING GETS YOU GOING HARD GETS YOU HARD AS A MOTHERFUCKER GET UP AND GO C'MON LETS GO YOU WANNA FUCKING FIGHT ME ILL TAKE ON EVERY FUCKING ONE OF YOU I HATE YOU ALL
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>>25724894

yeah that sounds like wellbutrin alright

good drug if you wanna have anger-energy. useless otherwise
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>>25724894
It's good to hear that it's worked so well for you! Congratulations and thank you for sharing.
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Remeron master race
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On lexapro 20mg. Feel nothing
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>>25724957
For how long? fuck you robot
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>>25724894
>implying a narcoleptic or add inattentive person would get energised from that weak pseudo-stimulant
I laugh at normies who get an energy boost from caffeine or shit like wellbutrin. Wellbutrin is a decent antidepressant though and combined with ritalin or amphetamine, it's a fine medicine.
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>>25725025
can effexor also give a pseudo-stimulant effect?
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>>25725025
FUCK YOU YOU STUPID KIKE I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU
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>>25725025
WOAH MAN I HAD A WHOLE COFFEE EARLIER AND I AM FUCKING BUZZING WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT WOOOOAAHHH
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>>25725057
It could wake you up, but it's not gonna get you stimmed. You need a drug that affects the dopamine system.
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>>25725057
it's similar to wellbutrin, so if you have normie brains yes.
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>>25724866
Ive never had a positive experience with SSRIs like prozac, lexapro, celexa, etc and they completely killed my sex drive
Benzos like xanax, klonopin, valium, etc work and get rid of your anxiety but youll feel way worse than before when you stop taking them and they mess with your memory
I havent taken Welbutrin or Zoloft before, though
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>>25725159
i have taken about 50mg of valium (my benzo tolerance is not high at all) throughout the day and the anxiolytic effect is not very strong desu. a good night of sleep, which i can rarely achieve because of never-ending rem sleep, is more anxiolytic lel.
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>>25724866
On lexapro 10mg for 1 week now. I feel fucking tired all the time and now I'm getting aches. Mostly using it for extreme anxiety; not the meme kind, I literally start to seizure shake and cannot function sometimes. If it helps my depression, that's just a huge bonus.

I want so bad for it to work, in fact, I NEED it to work. Else, I'm not long for this world.
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>>25725107
a psychiatrist told me to take it because i have trouble to concentrate. he said its because i have depression
can it really help me get motivation and concentration or is this just a meme-medication?
how do you know all that stuff?

i also heard it have really bad side effects so im scared to take it
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>>25725221
>not the meme kind
That's what I'm going through. Excessive paranoia and being a giant pussy disorder. "Social anxiety" I was hoping somebody else with the same problem could share some experience.
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>>25724866
I've been taking all kinds of antidepressants for 10 years. I wouldn't call them "happy pills". The most they do is make you apathetic. At best.
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>>25725159

Why would you want a sex drive? So you can feel constant frustration?
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>>25725244
stop worrying about side effects idiot. ssri, benzos, stimulants and so on are all pretty safe given that you don't have underlying heart/liver problems.
the only drugs where you truly have to worry about side effects are antipsychotic medications.
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>>25724866
The drugs, they say
Make us feel so hollow

We love
In vain, narcissistic and so shallow

Cops and queers
To swim you have to swallow

Hate
Today, no love for tomorrow

We're all stars now
In the Dope Show
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anyone have experience with effexor? i think i have to take this before my doc will prescribe me shit that works and i dont want to lie about taking it
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I've been taking St. John's Wort for the past month. Cochrane review says:
> Overall, the St. John's wort extracts tested in the trials were superior to placebo, similarly effective as standard antidepressants, and had fewer side effects than standard antidepressants.

Impossible for me to know how much is placebo effect (I've not taken other antidepressants to compare to), but I've been doing much better. Combined with eating reasonably well and exercising daily, I find it much easier than before to do productive things and generally not be passive and miserable. I don't experience any side-effects either.
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>>25725304
I like fapping 1-2 times a day, I don't have much else to do and it's a nice release. When I was on antidepressants I just felt like nothing all day and couldn't get hard if I tried
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>>25725244
don't take it
tell your psychiatrist to eat a dick, than go out and get some exercise and improve your diet
if you must use a drug to improve your concentration get some amphetamines/methylphenidate or some the glutaminergic nootropics
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>>25725328
I tried that stuff before, made my dreams vivid as fuck but also made me insanely tired. But, so do SSRIs.
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>>25725362
if he doesn't have add or narcolepsy, antidepressants can give you more energy, especially those such as wellbutrin.
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im on mirtazipine and venlafaxine. keeps me relatively stable but i dont really feel anything much, don't know if that's because of the drugs though.
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>>25725244
Just by googling different drugs. SNRIs will get you up and alert, but they're not at all recreational.
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>>25724866
I was smoking pot every other day for a bit.. worked great compared to anti depressants plus I got a bit of a buzz off of it but I haven't been using for about 10 days now and I kinda feel the same fucking way but more depersonalized than I would if high.
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>>25725385
yea wellbutrin certainly does increase your norepinephrine levels, but it's fucking unpleasant as hell as the dopaminergic effects are negligible (unless you snort it, as oral use causes it to metabolize into another substance with very little dopaminergic activity, this may cause seizures however)

you're far better off leaving the adrenal (although most dopaminergic effects have an effect on adrenals, it's not as noticeable as NRI's like bupropion) and serotonin systems alone, and only touch the GABA/glutimate and dopamine systems (it's also dangerous to affect these, but at least it's pleasant)
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>ctrl f "Lithium Orotate" 0 results
the jews have won
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>>25725472
This was a bad diagram (don't know why obsession and compulsion are under serotonin, people with OCD take SSRIs), here's a better one.
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>>25725244
If you have trouble concentrating take a fucking nootropic like piracetum, an antidepressant will just sedate you and make you unable to orgasm.
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Can anyone tell me what exactly is zyprexa/olanzapine?
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>>25725575


yeah take some random placebo shit that hasnt been tested in healthy populations to do anything because youre so much smarter than psychiatrists
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I can't feel anything MY DICK IS NUMB AND IM UNHAPPY FUCK THESE PILLS MY DOCTOR LIED 2 YEARS STILL NOTHING
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>>25725598
It's an atypical antipsychotic used primarily in schizophrenia and bipolar mania.

It causes some of the worst weight gain of any of the atypical antipsychotics with the average gain after 2 two years being about 45lbs.
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>>25725598
it's an atypical antipsychotic that is STRUCURALLY(they have a completely different effect despite this) similar to benzodiazpenes
it works by antagonizing dopamine, certain serotonin receptors(most notably 5-ht2a) adrenals and acetylcholine( muscarinic definitely, unsire about nicotinic)

only take it if you have notable schizophrenia or SEVERE bipolar disorder, don't take it for any other disorder, it's not worth it
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>>25725662
What pills anon? orig
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>>25725362
i can't get stimulant because i live in france, also they put me in a hospital when i was a kid and said i don't have add, so im fucked
i want to study and do things with my life but instead i sit here and waste my time away

>>25725575
i don't want to take illegal drugs and put my life in danger.

>>25725598
a psychiatrist gave me a prescription for this shit after a 10minutes session. it atipical-antipsychotic, its to slow you down and not have crazy thought. it can have heavy side effects and will make you fat. i never took it
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>>25725688
>>25725711
Well yeah i know what they're for, just wanna know what type of thing it is.

>>25725689
Kay thanks.

Wanted to know what it is, categorically, so i know what drugs not to take while on em.

Been taking em for 3 months now, put some rest in my head, shits great.
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zoloft 50mg

the side effects suck at first but now im pretty good
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>>25725648
Show me some proof that the antidepressant he was being prescribed improved concentration.

There is proof the racetams work too, some are used in other countries as prescribed medications.

Oh and psychiatrists are fucking shills that get bribed to hand out meds by drug companies who lie about how effective their meds are.
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>>25724866

They take a while to really take effect, I was on just about the max dose of cymbalta (120 mg/day) and it didn't really kick in for a good 9+ months.
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>>25725711
Piracetum isn't illegal, isn't addictive, and isn't dangerous.

Feel free to take your antidepressants though, 1 in 10 Americans take them and our country is doing great.
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>>25725711
there are some nootropics that aren't illegal in france such as noopept and other drugs in the racetam family

also you can easily get a diagnosis for ADD, even if it was denied when you were a child
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>>25725704
I can't remember something fluoxetine.. I take 4 different pills they all blend in it's a cocktail party feels like hell if I'm not going crazy then I'm trying not to throw up.
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>>25724866
yes and they didn't work for me .
try meditation
http://marc.ucla.edu/body.cfm?id=22
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>>25725773
>max dose and it didn't kick in for NINE MONTHS

no, you fucking moron. You just recovered on your own, the meds did jack shit.
Drugs don't take 9 months to work.
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>>25725751
Same, took away most of sadness and constant negative thinking. Still have no will for anything but at least I feel better. Also not horny and lowered my appetite but I dont even mind.
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>>25725648
>calls racetams placebo shit
>believes in psychiatric medicine
go take a gander at pubmed, look through nootropics studies and look through antidepressant studies
tell me what you think about that 8% benefit over placebo in 'double blind' tests in which patients could easily tell if they had a placebo. or about how they only published their best results and 8-10% is the best they could do.
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I'M ON ZYPREXA AND I CAN'T STOP TWITCHING
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>>25724974
Three months. Long enough for it to have supposedly started working.
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>>25725804
>also you can easily get a diagnosis for ADD, even if it was denied when you were a child
i tried, i failed.
i want to cry right now.
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i've taken fluoxetine for many years. Keeps me feeling normal usually, sometimes I'll hit a severe depression spot. Without it I'd probably have killed myself years ago.
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>>25725925
Sucks bro, what are you taking em for? Only thing happening to me is i get tired.
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>>25725866
more of an apathetic effect. i wasnt horny before and i lost like 10 pounds on accident but i force myself to eat now so the same for me
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>>25724866
if you're taking it for depression you're wasting your time

just man up. force yourself to do things you don't want to. It'll come around eventually
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>>25725933
I'm on the same boat except much less time on the pills. If it's been 3 months your doc should have switched you by now, so I suggest you bring up the fact you want to change. Don't continue with shit that aint working bro.
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>>25726043
I don't have a bee big enough for this
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>>25726043
You realize that depression is a literal chemical imbalance in your brain? People that try to 'man up' out of it end up with a gun to their brain.
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>>25726043
>It'll come around eventually
And what if it doesn't?
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>>25726015
I've run into the same problem fluoxetine helps sometimes but if you get into major depression it doesn't work. I can't even feel any effect now.
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>>25726084

>falling for le ruse
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>>25726084
>>25726111
it will. depression is just a state where you're all mopy and shit. Nobody can stay that way forever.

>muh chemical imbalance
did you know angry people also have a different chemistry? Did you also know they calm down eventually?

chemistry and brain activity reflect the current state of the person. Nobody is permanently just emotionally dysfunctional forever
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>>25724866
try Bupropion that should work
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>>25724894
well it sounds healthier than without antidepressants
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>>25725057
No, because venlafaxine has no action on dopamine reuptake.
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>>25726225
so im just gonna wait ten years or more to let it go away :^)

also depression shrink a part of you brain, its more than a "chemical imbalance"
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>>25724866
Tbh senpai I am on them and they help but I feel like you have to put the effort in too or you wont feel better.
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>>25726225
>Nobody can stay that way forever
Hooo boy, if only
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>>25724894
i take bupropion it makes you a little angry but only if you have a reason of course, like losing in counterstrike or something
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>>25725485
If you shoot wellbutrin you can get a pretty decent rush
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>>25724934
no its makes the reward feeling a lot more intense and it makes you awake
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>>25726225
>Nobody is permanently just emotionally dysfunctional forever
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>>25726319
Literally me.

Shit is weak but add some vyvance and you have some of the most intense gaming around. Except when you lose or win and realize that without video games you might have killed yourself.
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>>25724940
remeron is perfect in combination with bupropion
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>>25726291
time itself isn't enough. Because if you feed the depression by isolating yourself and never doing anything it will only get worse. Hence why I said make yourself do things and it will go away

the problem with you is you're a baby and want everything spoon feed to you and expect to world to just automatically go right without you having to do anything
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>>25726429
i cannot say its weak, it forcing me out of the bed
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>>25726471
Drop XR and try SR. You on 150, 300, more mg?
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>>25724866
taken every SSRI under the sun and a few beta blockers, both absolute time wasters just take opiates
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>>25725244
The reason why Effexor can give you concentration is because it is an SNRI ONCE YOU REACH 250MG! It's an SSRI below that. Ask your doc about Cymbalta instead, I plan on talking to my psychiatrist about it for my ADD.
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>>25726496
300 mg.
i remember as i stopped taking it for 3 weeks i got a lot more tired and my concentration got bad.
but what do you mean with xr and sr?
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>>25726225
>Nobody can stay that way forever.
Only in so much as they eventually die. It might "clear up on its own" but that is absolutely not guaranteed.
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>>25724866
taken several ones but cymbalta is the one i feel had the best result it made me feel happy and sharp as fuck.
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>>25726605
Extended release versus sustained release. SR is like half the time in your system, but double the strength.

Good for uni when I want to get some work done, and don't want to feel like beating up chads all day.
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does anybody tried mao inhibitors?
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>>25726313
>>25726392
>>25726608
I think the problem with you guys is not depression itself. It's that you don't know how to handle life. Maybe you guys are bad at making friends and feel isolated at school/work and that only feeds the depression, but non of you are actually trying to change your situation or thinking of a way to get around it

I realized one way around was to say hi to people. It was scary at first, but it made people like me more. When you ignore and don't respond to people they think you hate them, so naturally they won't like talking to you
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>>25725711
I strongly recommend you get a diagnosis, I believe Reboxetine is available in France, I've heard it's good shit so I'm looking into importing it to the US.
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>>25726716
>When you ignore and don't respond to people they think you hate them, so naturally they won't like talking to you
Well, id be lying if I said I didn't :^)
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>>25725945
Look into nootropics senpai
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>>25726598
thx freud
>mfw retarded sexual and emotional maturity
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>>25726645
maybe i give sr a try
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>>25726084
not quite
>>25726291
this guy has the idea

let me explain this in black and white, here is why you need to throw your antidepressants in the trash:
Depression, like most other mental disorders, is defined as a set of symptoms, unlike other diseases which can be directly verified physiologically.
as there is not necessarily a common cause of the symptoms of depression a number of different physical and psychological issues can be attributed to the disease. because of this, researchers tend to look for physical commonalities within patients that have the symptoms of depression.
A while back some researchers noticed that certain drugs that had an affinity for serotonin had a positive effect on mood, the first of which were MAO inhibitors, they inhibit the enzymes that break up monamines (serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine etc.)
for some reason they decided that antidepressant effects can be attributed to serotonin, despite the only evidence of this being that MAOis had a positive effect on mood. This is the basis for the 'monoamine hypothesis'.
based on this hypothesis a number of other drugs were created in order to increase serotonin levels, most notably SSRI's. The clinical trials for these drugs were pitiful, despite this, the monoamine theory was infallible to the general public and doctors so they decided to approve it and prescribe it to millions of people.
later, we found out that serotonin is not 'the happy chemical', in fact artificially decreasing concentrations of serotonin has very little effect on mood in otherwise healthy patients. We discovered that overstimulation and overexpression of certain serotonin receptors is actually psychologically damaging (see 5-ht2a). There are even antidepressants that are just as effective as SSRI's that perform the exact opposite function (see tianeptine).
so clearly there's something wrong with the monoamine theory.
cont.
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>>25726769
mhm, mhm

so instead of trying to change your attitude which you pretty much admit is the problem, you want a magic pill to make you happy?
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>>25726243
*should help
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sertraline master race.
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>>25726884
Yeah m7. My attitude is the problem in your projection maybe, but not in my actual situation.
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>>25726889

>diarrhea masterrace
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>>25726885
*try help
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>>25726910
>I hate people
>it's not my problem though

it's definitely a factor
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>>25726955
Its just banter m8o mcskate-o. :^)
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>>25726914
so whats the matter.. theres another happy pill with almost no side effects and which can even help you loosing weight ? if so pls tell me.
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>>25727024

amphetamine is that pill
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>>25726796
Do it bro keep trying to find something that works you own it to yourself.

Also maybe get checked for low T if energy is your issue. I think Im about to get diagnosed with klinefelter's and then I can get some of that sweet normie hormones to make me not a neurotic, lethargic piece of shit.
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>>25726860
life is shit and thats not gonna change,
it doesnt matter if i could have everything what i want or if i have to fight for every breadcrumb.
im not happy and i dont get happy, exactly thats what i need the medicine for. i cannot change my attitude.
try press your hand on a hotplate and say , that doesnt hurt at all.
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>>25726860
scientists realized this problem and started to try to find other commonalities of those people who exhibit depression symptoms.
what they found in a large number of patients (remember, it's defined by symptoms, there isn't necessarily only one cause) is that they had abnormally small hippocampuses, a region of the brain highly associated with mood, memory and emotional response.
in fact, they also found out that the shrinking of the hippocampus is caused by an overabundance of stress, neglect and a lack of emotional connection with others. as such, a depressed person would sink further into their depression, isolate themselves and thus further perpetuate this cycle of shrinking hippocampus->more hopeless ->more shrinking of the hippocampus.
this is why depression is so horrible, it builds upon itself and it's incredibly hard to break that cycle.
but researchers have recently found a way to interrupt that cycle, through modulation of the glutamate receptors they can increase neural plasticity, this is the basis for ketamine research, as well as most other modern depression research. This is great news for depression, but there are still a lot of problems with these drugs, for example, prolonged ketamine abuse has been associated with brain damage.

tl;dr
throw away your SSRI's, go snort K
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>>25727046
Can confirm, except it makes you depressed after it wears off.

It's probably also wasting my brain away, but better to live a happy short life, than 80 years of pain and failure
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>>25727063

do you have a background in medicine at all? this sorta sounds knowledgeable but i cant discern it from full bs or not
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>>25727046
doesnt amphetamines damage the brain in long term use?
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>>25727063
prolonged benzo (anti anxiety) use also results in brain damage
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>>25727130
I'm a student in biochem
go look it up though, don't trust someone just because they're an 'expert'. pubmed is a great resource
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC60045/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17401728
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC524959/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23982301
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>>25727153
Possibly, but the trade off of health you get from lower BMI and actually being able to do work make up for it.

Or at least that what I tell myself when I pop Vyvance 50's
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>>25727063
thx for the science anon
>>25727130
you can check what he is saying on wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder#Biological
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Tried roughly a dozen different tricylcics, SNRi's and SSRI's without them working.
I was recently prescribed mirtazapine and it seems to work much better than any of the other ones I've tried. The side-effects of the others are terrible, mirtazapine is the only one I've tried where the side-effects dont cripple you.
Still waiting the 2 weeks for the full effects to gauge how it's intended effecta re.
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>>25727153
meth kills neurons, if that's what you're thinking about
other amphetamines can cause a tolerance to dopamine, which means it can have a long term effect of reducing pleasure overall, although this isn't well studied and may be very minor.
amphetamines certainly aren't good for you, but they're not going to give you significant brain damage at therapeutic doses
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>>25727046
he said happy pill.... anpheta makes you feel like the worst shit on the planet when it comes down.... .also brain damage.
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>>25727130
I have to follow this kind of stuff so I can treat my ADD, I can assure you he is not bullshitting. You could probably find something similiar by searching "SSRI placebo"
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>>25727153
I therapeutic doses you should be ok, people with ADHD take this shit their whole life's and you never hear about brain damage from them.
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>>25727310
*in
UNIRIGINal
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>>25727261
I'm on phenelzine. The doc tried to jew me with all the SSRI's and "new" serotonergic drugs (viiybrid) before we got to phenelzine. Nortriptyline gave me the second worst sexual dysfunction, paxil was the worst.

It takes away some of the general terror that something or someone will come and fuck over everything I've worked for, but it doesn't give me any energy or pleasure.
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