Anybody taken any types of antidepressants? Ever tried anything that worked? Been taking SSRIs and I feel like I'm wasting my time.
I'M ON WELLBUTRIN MAN GETS YOU UP GETS YOU GOING GETS YOU GOING HARD GETS YOU HARD AS A MOTHERFUCKER GET UP AND GO C'MON LETS GO YOU WANNA FUCKING FIGHT ME ILL TAKE ON EVERY FUCKING ONE OF YOU I HATE YOU ALL
>implying a narcoleptic or add inattentive person would get energised from that weak pseudo-stimulant
I laugh at normies who get an energy boost from caffeine or shit like wellbutrin. Wellbutrin is a decent antidepressant though and combined with ritalin or amphetamine, it's a fine medicine.
Ive never had a positive experience with SSRIs like prozac, lexapro, celexa, etc and they completely killed my sex drive
Benzos like xanax, klonopin, valium, etc work and get rid of your anxiety but youll feel way worse than before when you stop taking them and they mess with your memory
I havent taken Welbutrin or Zoloft before, though
i have taken about 50mg of valium (my benzo tolerance is not high at all) throughout the day and the anxiolytic effect is not very strong desu. a good night of sleep, which i can rarely achieve because of never-ending rem sleep, is more anxiolytic lel.
On lexapro 10mg for 1 week now. I feel fucking tired all the time and now I'm getting aches. Mostly using it for extreme anxiety; not the meme kind, I literally start to seizure shake and cannot function sometimes. If it helps my depression, that's just a huge bonus.
I want so bad for it to work, in fact, I NEED it to work. Else, I'm not long for this world.
a psychiatrist told me to take it because i have trouble to concentrate. he said its because i have depression
can it really help me get motivation and concentration or is this just a meme-medication?
how do you know all that stuff?
i also heard it have really bad side effects so im scared to take it
>not the meme kind
That's what I'm going through. Excessive paranoia and being a giant pussy disorder. "Social anxiety" I was hoping somebody else with the same problem could share some experience.
stop worrying about side effects idiot. ssri, benzos, stimulants and so on are all pretty safe given that you don't have underlying heart/liver problems.
the only drugs where you truly have to worry about side effects are antipsychotic medications.
The drugs, they say
Make us feel so hollow
In vain, narcissistic and so shallow
Cops and queers
To swim you have to swallow
Today, no love for tomorrow
We're all stars now
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I've been taking St. John's Wort for the past month. Cochrane review says:
> Overall, the St. John's wort extracts tested in the trials were superior to placebo, similarly effective as standard antidepressants, and had fewer side effects than standard antidepressants.
Impossible for me to know how much is placebo effect (I've not taken other antidepressants to compare to), but I've been doing much better. Combined with eating reasonably well and exercising daily, I find it much easier than before to do productive things and generally not be passive and miserable. I don't experience any side-effects either.
I like fapping 1-2 times a day, I don't have much else to do and it's a nice release. When I was on antidepressants I just felt like nothing all day and couldn't get hard if I tried
don't take it
tell your psychiatrist to eat a dick, than go out and get some exercise and improve your diet
if you must use a drug to improve your concentration get some amphetamines/methylphenidate or some the glutaminergic nootropics
Just by googling different drugs. SNRIs will get you up and alert, but they're not at all recreational.
I was smoking pot every other day for a bit.. worked great compared to anti depressants plus I got a bit of a buzz off of it but I haven't been using for about 10 days now and I kinda feel the same fucking way but more depersonalized than I would if high.
yea wellbutrin certainly does increase your norepinephrine levels, but it's fucking unpleasant as hell as the dopaminergic effects are negligible (unless you snort it, as oral use causes it to metabolize into another substance with very little dopaminergic activity, this may cause seizures however)
you're far better off leaving the adrenal (although most dopaminergic effects have an effect on adrenals, it's not as noticeable as NRI's like bupropion) and serotonin systems alone, and only touch the GABA/glutimate and dopamine systems (it's also dangerous to affect these, but at least it's pleasant)
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This was a bad diagram (don't know why obsession and compulsion are under serotonin, people with OCD take SSRIs), here's a better one.
It's an atypical antipsychotic used primarily in schizophrenia and bipolar mania.
It causes some of the worst weight gain of any of the atypical antipsychotics with the average gain after 2 two years being about 45lbs.
it's an atypical antipsychotic that is STRUCURALLY(they have a completely different effect despite this) similar to benzodiazpenes
it works by antagonizing dopamine, certain serotonin receptors(most notably 5-ht2a) adrenals and acetylcholine( muscarinic definitely, unsire about nicotinic)
only take it if you have notable schizophrenia or SEVERE bipolar disorder, don't take it for any other disorder, it's not worth it
i can't get stimulant because i live in france, also they put me in a hospital when i was a kid and said i don't have add, so im fucked
i want to study and do things with my life but instead i sit here and waste my time away
i don't want to take illegal drugs and put my life in danger.
a psychiatrist gave me a prescription for this shit after a 10minutes session. it atipical-antipsychotic, its to slow you down and not have crazy thought. it can have heavy side effects and will make you fat. i never took it
Well yeah i know what they're for, just wanna know what type of thing it is.
Wanted to know what it is, categorically, so i know what drugs not to take while on em.
Been taking em for 3 months now, put some rest in my head, shits great.
Show me some proof that the antidepressant he was being prescribed improved concentration.
There is proof the racetams work too, some are used in other countries as prescribed medications.
Oh and psychiatrists are fucking shills that get bribed to hand out meds by drug companies who lie about how effective their meds are.
there are some nootropics that aren't illegal in france such as noopept and other drugs in the racetam family
also you can easily get a diagnosis for ADD, even if it was denied when you were a child
yes and they didn't work for me .
Same, took away most of sadness and constant negative thinking. Still have no will for anything but at least I feel better. Also not horny and lowered my appetite but I dont even mind.
>calls racetams placebo shit
>believes in psychiatric medicine
go take a gander at pubmed, look through nootropics studies and look through antidepressant studies
tell me what you think about that 8% benefit over placebo in 'double blind' tests in which patients could easily tell if they had a placebo. or about how they only published their best results and 8-10% is the best they could do.
I'm on the same boat except much less time on the pills. If it's been 3 months your doc should have switched you by now, so I suggest you bring up the fact you want to change. Don't continue with shit that aint working bro.
it will. depression is just a state where you're all mopy and shit. Nobody can stay that way forever.
>muh chemical imbalance
did you know angry people also have a different chemistry? Did you also know they calm down eventually?
chemistry and brain activity reflect the current state of the person. Nobody is permanently just emotionally dysfunctional forever
No, because venlafaxine has no action on dopamine reuptake.
If you shoot wellbutrin you can get a pretty decent rush
>Nobody is permanently just emotionally dysfunctional forever
Shit is weak but add some vyvance and you have some of the most intense gaming around. Except when you lose or win and realize that without video games you might have killed yourself.
time itself isn't enough. Because if you feed the depression by isolating yourself and never doing anything it will only get worse. Hence why I said make yourself do things and it will go away
the problem with you is you're a baby and want everything spoon feed to you and expect to world to just automatically go right without you having to do anything
The reason why Effexor can give you concentration is because it is an SNRI ONCE YOU REACH 250MG! It's an SSRI below that. Ask your doc about Cymbalta instead, I plan on talking to my psychiatrist about it for my ADD.
Extended release versus sustained release. SR is like half the time in your system, but double the strength.
Good for uni when I want to get some work done, and don't want to feel like beating up chads all day.
I think the problem with you guys is not depression itself. It's that you don't know how to handle life. Maybe you guys are bad at making friends and feel isolated at school/work and that only feeds the depression, but non of you are actually trying to change your situation or thinking of a way to get around it
I realized one way around was to say hi to people. It was scary at first, but it made people like me more. When you ignore and don't respond to people they think you hate them, so naturally they won't like talking to you
I strongly recommend you get a diagnosis, I believe Reboxetine is available in France, I've heard it's good shit so I'm looking into importing it to the US.
>mfw retarded sexual and emotional maturity
this guy has the idea
let me explain this in black and white, here is why you need to throw your antidepressants in the trash:
Depression, like most other mental disorders, is defined as a set of symptoms, unlike other diseases which can be directly verified physiologically.
as there is not necessarily a common cause of the symptoms of depression a number of different physical and psychological issues can be attributed to the disease. because of this, researchers tend to look for physical commonalities within patients that have the symptoms of depression.
A while back some researchers noticed that certain drugs that had an affinity for serotonin had a positive effect on mood, the first of which were MAO inhibitors, they inhibit the enzymes that break up monamines (serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine etc.)
for some reason they decided that antidepressant effects can be attributed to serotonin, despite the only evidence of this being that MAOis had a positive effect on mood. This is the basis for the 'monoamine hypothesis'.
based on this hypothesis a number of other drugs were created in order to increase serotonin levels, most notably SSRI's. The clinical trials for these drugs were pitiful, despite this, the monoamine theory was infallible to the general public and doctors so they decided to approve it and prescribe it to millions of people.
later, we found out that serotonin is not 'the happy chemical', in fact artificially decreasing concentrations of serotonin has very little effect on mood in otherwise healthy patients. We discovered that overstimulation and overexpression of certain serotonin receptors is actually psychologically damaging (see 5-ht2a). There are even antidepressants that are just as effective as SSRI's that perform the exact opposite function (see tianeptine).
so clearly there's something wrong with the monoamine theory.
Do it bro keep trying to find something that works you own it to yourself.
Also maybe get checked for low T if energy is your issue. I think Im about to get diagnosed with klinefelter's and then I can get some of that sweet normie hormones to make me not a neurotic, lethargic piece of shit.
life is shit and thats not gonna change,
it doesnt matter if i could have everything what i want or if i have to fight for every breadcrumb.
im not happy and i dont get happy, exactly thats what i need the medicine for. i cannot change my attitude.
try press your hand on a hotplate and say , that doesnt hurt at all.
scientists realized this problem and started to try to find other commonalities of those people who exhibit depression symptoms.
what they found in a large number of patients (remember, it's defined by symptoms, there isn't necessarily only one cause) is that they had abnormally small hippocampuses, a region of the brain highly associated with mood, memory and emotional response.
in fact, they also found out that the shrinking of the hippocampus is caused by an overabundance of stress, neglect and a lack of emotional connection with others. as such, a depressed person would sink further into their depression, isolate themselves and thus further perpetuate this cycle of shrinking hippocampus->more hopeless ->more shrinking of the hippocampus.
this is why depression is so horrible, it builds upon itself and it's incredibly hard to break that cycle.
but researchers have recently found a way to interrupt that cycle, through modulation of the glutamate receptors they can increase neural plasticity, this is the basis for ketamine research, as well as most other modern depression research. This is great news for depression, but there are still a lot of problems with these drugs, for example, prolonged ketamine abuse has been associated with brain damage.
throw away your SSRI's, go snort K
I'm a student in biochem
go look it up though, don't trust someone just because they're an 'expert'. pubmed is a great resource
Tried roughly a dozen different tricylcics, SNRi's and SSRI's without them working.
I was recently prescribed mirtazapine and it seems to work much better than any of the other ones I've tried. The side-effects of the others are terrible, mirtazapine is the only one I've tried where the side-effects dont cripple you.
Still waiting the 2 weeks for the full effects to gauge how it's intended effecta re.
meth kills neurons, if that's what you're thinking about
other amphetamines can cause a tolerance to dopamine, which means it can have a long term effect of reducing pleasure overall, although this isn't well studied and may be very minor.
amphetamines certainly aren't good for you, but they're not going to give you significant brain damage at therapeutic doses
I'm on phenelzine. The doc tried to jew me with all the SSRI's and "new" serotonergic drugs (viiybrid) before we got to phenelzine. Nortriptyline gave me the second worst sexual dysfunction, paxil was the worst.
It takes away some of the general terror that something or someone will come and fuck over everything I've worked for, but it doesn't give me any energy or pleasure.