I could not become anything, neither good nor bad, neither a scoundrel nor an honest man, neither a hero nor an insect. And now I am eking out my days in my corner, taunting myself with the bitter and entirely useless consolation that an intelligent man cannot seriously become anything, that only a fool can become something.
>>25695729 >>>/his/ >This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc.
One thing that is a mindfuck to me and i have discussed it with a friend is >whatever you have it will NEVER be forever satisfied. >you ALWAYS think this next thing you want is everything you need to be happy forever.
I realize that most people know this. But its a mindfuck for me that i know it is like this, but i still think about the next thing, then ill be forever happy. I think that if i get a gf, thats it. My friend has had gfs, he wants to live in a farm, thats gonna be it for him. But you will never get to 'it'. Its like we always have a utopia in our mind were we will be forever secure and happy, and we are reaching for it all our lifes, but we will never get there.
>>25695729 this is bad place to discuss philosophy. It would be full of people that didnt read anything and just spam memes. Why dont you go to some philosophy dedicated forum? 4chan is not the only website, you know
>>25696875 Agreed. It's always the Nietzsche fags who fuck it up, too. I, personally, think Nietzsche was a hack job and try to get people to explain why they like him so well and get their side to it and all I get is "lel, you're just a dumb Christian!" and the only aid I get from other anons is "le fedora."
>>25696818 I believe this notion because it is instinctual, it is my feeling.
>>25696922 Nietzsche basically declared that the metaphysical underpinnings of western civilization were shot, and that the a new dawn was rising and banishing the shadows of the west of old with each passing moment. He believed that Christian morality was retreating (which was fantastic from his perspective) and nothing credible was coming to replace it (which some argue worried him, others believed he was indifferent). He more or less predicted what we're living today without even going into political discourses.
People tend to like him because he was ultra edgy, especially by the standards of his day. There's a reason he could never find work. He was anti-Christianity, anti-Plato, anti-free will, anti-rational, anti-morality (at least anti-collective morality), anti-utilitarian in a world before Rawls, a political agnostic or anarchist depending on who you ask, and had absolutely zero regard for any established rules of academic practice.
I like him because he's one of the few philosophers who isn't just trying to imprint his sense of morality on you, he basically says that philosophers in general are snake oil merchants and that you shouldn't trust them. He also glorifies suffering which speaks to me, and I feel he does this from a legitimate background of being a sickly and perpetually miserable human.
His Ubermensch did not seek happiness, to him happiness was like Huxley's soma, a drug which separates one from greatness. Man pushes the boundaries, and the boundaries push him back, causing much suffering. The last men recoil from this and enter a state of happy contentedness. The Ubermensch pushes past the veil of pain to enter the realm of greatness. For Nietzsche, to be happy is basically to be cucked.
>>25697433 His key point of contention with Christianity is that it is a system of slave morality. It break down morality into good and evil. Morality of an action is determined by intent.
In a master morality system, morality is broken down into good and bad. Morality of an action is determined by outcome. It should be said that he didn't necessarily consider master morality superior.
Christianity glorifies suffering for intent based reasons. Suffering, though glorified by Nietzsche, is not intrinsically good for him. Suffering is good only insofar as it produces greatness, suffering for God (which in his eyes is an utterly false delusion) is just pathetic and does nothing to further yourself, only the agendas of the church. To him, religion is the worst kind of drug.
As for the hypocrisies in his statements on morality, men have devoted entire careers trying to figure that shit out. My argument would be that he's essentially telling you to follow your instincts and let that be your morality. He's anti-rational and as such, he's one of the few figures in philosophy who denigrates the thought. He believed thoughts to be shadows of feelings, a thought and an argument is how we justify the way we feel. The way we feel is a product of our being and cannot be altered, hence there is no free will.
I think part of the reason that people (even those who claim to love him) have such a hard time with Nietzsche is that he didn't really leave any room for expansion on his ideas. He influences almost everyone who comes after him in subtle ways and a lot of people interpret him, but in his canon, metaphysics and as such the whole of philosophy are now dead and he is writing a postmortem. The only thinkers that feel like they come directly out of his tradition are Crowley and Evola, who are both even edgier than he was.
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