Can something be done about all the flat earth threads on /pol/? I count at least three of them up right now on the front page alone. They need to be redirected to /sci/ or something.
those threads are just another symptom of the tinfoilfag cancer that is killing /pol/
/pol/ is a satire board/containment board. It is one of the boards on 4chan where nobody expects serious discussion. If you actually use /pol/ to inform yourself about the world you should probably kill yourself desu
I dunno, people there seem pretty serious about trump.
The board as a whole really could use a fucking lot of tweaking though. For starters a lot of its threads are literally barely or simply not related to politics. Ideally it would be nice if mods actually got off their asses and made people discuss non-political news stories in /news/, economics in /biz/, conspiracy shit in maybe /x/ or /b/, etc.
However other boards don't want obvious /pol/ idiots shitting around over on their parts. So basically /pol/ has contained itself with its shittiness, but what it's been doing is flagrantly beyond what it was made for and they're taking advantage of mods doing nothing about it.
This is true though, I attempted to make a serious discussion about something the other day and was told that people like me needed to have their heads bashed in with a brick. I realized at this point that /pol/ was a bunch of meanies and it needed to be deleted!!!!!
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they need to be harder on ad hominem. People should express their political opinions without reproach, but spamming 'lol india poo in loo epic meme' doesn't contribute anything, and makes the whole of /pol/ look like even more of a shitpost extravaganza.
So many people, I mean a really big proportion of /pol/'s userbase, go there specifically to shitpost, false flag, slide, shill and use all manner of other forum-wrecking methods to degrade discussion on /pol/. I've seen a lot of people openly admit it, they're proud that they're fighting "the evil Nazis" in this way. Never mind that it's childish and cowardly and massively dishonest, as long as they're preventing an open debate on subjects they see as sacred and untouchable, they're satisfied.
I've said it before, one of the high prices of having a free and unrestricted anonymous forum is that it leaves the entire community wide open to sabotage by would-be censors. If you tried to use any of the above methods on Tumblr or a "progressive" subreddit you'd be permabanned the second you were discovered.
All of that said, I can't really see a solution that doesn't involve censorship. The "flat earth" threads have got to go of course, they belong on /x/ if anywhere. As for the rest of the deliberate forum trashing on /pol/, I guess we'll just have to take the high road and allow it, exposing it wherever there's evidence of foul play.
Pic semi-related (it's not just GCHQ that use these tactics).
>global rule 3
It's pretty much unenforceable in practice. Attempts to censor 4chan in ways the userbase see as unfair censorship often provoke acts of defiance in solidarity with the banned user. As was seen on /v/ recently, delete one "nigger" and you provoke a hundred more from the angry mob.
Also, global rule 3 includes a "no flames" rule. Can you imagine trying to enforce that? Would you even want to? I think such open-ended rules are basically there to allow the mods to target pretty much anyone they want, as long as they act with restraint. The trick is to have mods that want a free but functional forum, and I think so far they've done okay across the site, considering much of the userbase is obviously children, trolls and the insane.
The Star Wars shilling on /tv/ made me wonder if the site isn't taking kickbacks from a marketing agency though. That shit was ridiculous.
What's wrong, OP? I thought /pol/ was a bastion of free speech? Why do you want to censor someone with a different view then you?
/pol/ is a bastion of free POLITICAL speech.
Flat Earth threads have nothing to do with politics. There can only be one or two people who believe in such nonsense and they found a home for their beliefs on /x/. So why would they suddenly move to /pol/?
Maybe it's so that they can now point to those threads on /pol/ and respond to a conservative political opinion with: "Ah but your type don't even believe the Earth is round!" It's a common discrediting tactic. Post extremism or insanity on a moderate opponent's forum and conflate that extremism/insanity with every opponent's beliefs, however rational and moderate. The attempted implication is that there are only progressives and insane extremists with no sensible middle ground.
Pieced together, the argument looks like this: "If you're not a progressive then it follows you must be a conservative, and since conservatives can only post on /pol/ without being banned, and only insane extremists post on /pol/, all non-progressives must therefore be insane extremists."
When looked at objectively, this tactic seems ridiculous, but repeat the various false assumptions enough times and people will start to believe the illogical conclusion. It's this kind of phony rhetoric that holds brainwashed cults together and if you find yourself falling for it, take a step back and rethink your assumptions.
Then why are there threads and posts about nothing but one race being inferior allowed? Why are those threads not moved to /sci/ when they're above sociology and biology?
Subjective opinions regarding different demographics is blatantly a political subject, but you already know that.
Your attitude is clearly "I don't care if the rules are being abused as long as the results negatively affect those I disagree with." I'm sure you'd be clamouring for the rules to be rigidly applied if they were in your favour.
Your goal is apparently to prevent certain topics from being discussed honestly and openly, and this strongly implies that you know you are wrong but don't want people to realise it. This would make you a liar.
Are you a liar?
So you're just going to say "nuh-uh it so is political" and then resort to attacking my character?
Do you really think racial superiority threads belong on /sci/? Of course not. You're being facetious.
And there's nothing I can do to defame your character that those obnoxious anime avatars aren't already doing.
I notice you don't deny being a liar.
The fact that you think typing the word 'cuck' over and over in nonsensical fashion like a retard means you 'destroyed someone's character' proves that you're the only true retard ITT.
I'm not even slightly upset, because your "attack" was completely baseless.
I made a case for the fact that you lied, a case that you haven't tried to refute. It's not ad hominem if it's based on reason, it's a judgement of character that informs your argument (or lack thereof).
And the pitiful weakness demonstrated by the removal of your avatar cannot be denied. I strongly suspect you are an underage girl.
Why don't you post with your avatar again now that you know you lost all respect by caving in to one little insult aimed at it?
You obviously want to use it or you wouldn't have posted with it in the first place. Do you care that much that one anonymous stranger finds it obnoxious? That's kind of desperate for approval, don't you think?
Because I only had 4 pics of her desu
Here's my last one of you want it so bad, cuck
By that logic you can shoehorn virtually any topic into /pol/. Nobody denies that discussion of aliens belongs on /x/ but if we suspect the government is lying about it, suddenly it could feasibly be a political matter.
Discussion of a gigantic conspiracy to hide the shape of the Earth, to deceive the public about something so bizarre, would clearly belong in /x/.
It's the kind of thing written about by Charles Fort, not Noam Chomsky. A book about it would not be in the political section of the library.
Just because you take something seriously doesn't mean everybody does, or that you have to keep taking it seriously.
>guys nobody cares about this let's just stop talking about it
And here, at the end of a long discussion we find the loser, signalling his submission with a high pitched, plaintive whine. His feathers are still puffed out, but his head hangs low. He will not be mating with a female this evening.
Idk what library you're going too, but mine doesn't have crazed rantings about chimps and "dindus", nor does it have silly memes about various politicians and other figures being cuckolded
When you switch on the TV you don't see 38 channels of BANE do you? Yet we know which topics belong on /tv/ and which don't. It's called common sense.
As for the crazed rantings about chimps and "dindus," whoever posts those doesn't dictate the intended topic of the board. I could post the same racist nonsense on /mu/ but it would never make flat earth threads appropriate on /mu/.
The library analogy might not be perfect but I'd like to see a better one to determine the category of a subject, one that puts flat earth threads in /pol/.
So do I reply and prove that I'm so upset that I had to reply or not reply and prove that I'm so upset that I had to leave? I guess you won. GG.
/pol/ the last few months has become the sliding board. Not even intentionally, just fucking retards who feel that /pol/ is their home and clicking on an appropriate board to make a thread is too much work.
That's why /pol/ is made almost entirely of r9k threads. /pol/ became 'popular', so the normalfag infestation spilled out and started making topics on their feelings on the board that's supposed to be about fucking politics.
And the worst part: No one gives a shit. No one is going to seriously monitor and fix /pol/. It's a lost cause. Soon, /pol/ will become an extension of the robot with threads like:
Look at this /b/-tier /r9k/ garbage.
And the worst part? I didn't have to go to the second page at all. Every fucking one of those were on page 0 on the first click. One right after the other. There were two threads I would consider /pol/ related (and they were trump general threads).
It's awful, it's disgusting. But we know nothing is going to happen. /pol/ is /b/2.0 and it's time to just accept it because Mods don't have to work anymore and Hiro doesn't know how to fire them.
4chan is the last fun place on the internet. The whole point of 4chan initially was that none of it was serious, but the internet has gotten such a stick up its ass that it's now impossible to migrate anywhere else.
So yes, it's perfectly fine for people to worry about the future of a board where the owner doesn't know the basic commands of the interface and the mods just dick around all day doing whatever-the-fuck-they-want on their favorite boards. It's a solid sign that 4chan is a ship of fools, and faggots like yourself just keep telling the ones around them that everything is okay. Even while the ship sails further and further north.
You can have fun while other people around you aren't. I'm >>427861 >>427835 and >>427786 I'm just here to have arguments. /qa/ is pretty much the perfect board for it. I love it here. The mods may listen to the users here or they may not and it doesn't matter which, to me. I'll like it on 4chan even if the environment changes because I can adapt. My favourite thing about 4chan is that I can just put whatever I want into the name field. Like right now. Here's my silly vanity trip that I spent a week brute forcing. Like it?
You need to learn what ad hominem is.
"You're wrong because you're stupid" is ad hominem
"You're stupid because you're wrong" is not ad hominem.
"You're stupid and a massive faggot, kill yourself. End of discussion" is not ad hominem
There are flat earth threads on /x/ sometimes.
It's amazing to see how upset people get. Aliens, reptilians, demons, bigfoot... no problem. But a flat earth? People get so damn mad, they're even saying that it's campaign to discredit "real" conspiracies.
Hiro, please make a /tin/foil conspiracy board for these people. They and a few other factions like the Alex Jones fanboys are part of a larger problem of people being lured to 4chan from conspiracy forums like infowars and abovetopsecret and godlikeproductions expressly to spread awareness of their conspiracies like some kind of unholy hybrid tinfoil justice warrior.
>but it would never make flat earth threads appropriate on /mu/.
I posted a flat earth thread on /mu/. Just for you anon.
Anyway /pol/ is shit and has always been full of retards. There are plenty of dumb posts made on there. Why is it okay for science denialists to make threads claiming that global warming is a hoax, but flat earth truthers can't have a discussion about the government lying to everybody about the shape of the earth? Our NASA money is going somewhere and it's obviously not to the space program. Isn't that a political discussion just as intelligent as any other discussion on /pol/?
Out of all the possible conspiracy theories, the flat earth model is quite possibly the dumbest one yet. There are more likely to be reptilian bigfoot demons from outer space than the Earth is flat
plenty of conservative posters go on /pol/ to act as retarded as possible because they're just retarded. Pic-related is actually a pretty common view over there, and they're being serious
The idea that /pol/ is unironic and serious all the time is just as retarded as what those conservative anons are posting. Using political cartoons to whine about conservative views isn't really helping your argument.
>The idea that /pol/ is unironic and serious all the time is just as retarded
They aren't being ironic. They are being serious. They seriously hold these views. They may slightly exaggerate them from time to time, but yes. They do believe black people are sub-human. They do believe that science is all just a liberal scam. And as /pol/ has grown they leak onto other boards more, which is why so many people hate them.
>tinfoilfag cancer that is killing /pol/
This has been on /pol/ far longer than the shitty meme spam that is now considered the "proper" /pol/.
Neither thing is good, but one has seniority over the other.
>see >>427238 #
>They aren't being ironic.
I don't see how your shitty ms paint comic disproves the fact that people post on /pol/ ironically and act retarded on purpose for the lulz. Do you honestly believe the "Incorrect" part of /pol/ is just a misnomer?
You are even more mentally deficient than those racists if you believe /pol/ is completely sincere and holds those hyperbolic views seriously. Which probably explains why you hate them so much and try to get the board deleted. You automatically assume that they're being serious because you can't even tolerate political views that you disagree with.
There's plenty of crazy conspiracy theorist stuff on /pol/. Like pic-related. Remember when they spent like an entire week having 100 threads about Hillary manipulating the Fuck H8 SuperPAC to make Bernie look bad or something? Thread after thread after thread of conspiracy nuts, despite not a single shred of evidence to support their crazy conspiracy.
/pol/ discusses conspiracies but nothing as stupid as flat earth, the hillary thing might of had something to it I mean is it really that surprising considering the trouble she is in at the moment?
Hell I even enjoyed the silly INTEL threads even though it was mostly roleplaying.
All these flat earth threads are obviously some dick spamming anyone who has been here for a while knows this.
>the hillary thing might of had something to it I mean is it really that surprising considering the trouble she is in at the moment?
But it didn't have anything to it. Sure it wouldn't surprise me if it were true, but there was never any reason to actually think it was. They were acting like they exposed some massive corruption, and it was all 100% based on speculation. You could just as easily have had 100 threads about Hillary bribing members of the Democrat party to get the nomination, then saying "well no there isn't any evidence at all, but it might be true because Hillary does shady stuff."
Those Hillary threads were part of an 8gag twitter raid. They were just using /pol/ for /b/lackup.
The point is that those conspiracy posts are off topic for /pol/ in the first place, especially those Intellebro roleplying threads. But compared to flat earth threads, Intellebro threads look like model /pol/ posts.
Thanks for letting me know what annoys you.
One fresh new thread on /pol/ coming up.
I like the threads that extol the idea that nuclear weapons and nuclear physics in general are hoaxes like the moon landing and Sandy Hook.
The idea that every nuclear bomb that ever went off... didn't exist. The idea that nuclear power plants are all smoke and mirrors, and probably just a gas generator hidden in that building somewhere. Chernobyl and Fukushima? All ploys. The fucking sun, they say, is not what we know it to be; It has to be /something else./
That's the worst thing. Flat-earthers, at least, you can ignore those with absolutely no effort. "Okay, not every person has been to space... some people are idiots no matter what you tell them. It hinges on WHAT CAN I SEE WITH MY EYES... and they don't see it. It's a larger-image kind of thing." YOU CAN JUST IGNORE THAT, outright. Just, yep.
How the fuck do people believe physics isn't real? How do they believe that atomic bombs were all just TNT blown up as hoaxes, or that mushroom cloud photos are just pictures of thunder storms?
pic-related. Those global warming threads on /pol/ are pretty bad. They can't make any real argument so they end up just saying all of the data is fake and was created by non-profits and underpaid scientists as part of a conspiracy, while those brave oil companies are trying to get the truth out
The rise of the moon hoax threads and the shemitah happening faggots are what I was meaning by "tinfoil cancer". There is a certain group of posters that come from tinfoil forums like ATS and GLP that come to /pol/ thinking the point of the board is to share redpills about their NWO conspiracy of the week.
I greatly welcome flap pill and am looking forwards to more pills because that will finally bring back the redpill to shitty meme status instead of the way of life and spreading hitler youths across 4chan and the internet.
Fuck that, I won't lett Reddit win this round. Red pill always has and always will be a simple metaphor with wide applicability. If reddit wants to use it exclusively for PUA bullshit fine, but they can't change it's meaning here
That pic is awful
>90% of the world's scientists
in the most pertinent fields*
Different branches of science develop different moral cultures, different social norms in the academy. If all ecologists were suddenly supplanted with chemists, philosophers, or electrical engineers (assuming equivalent expertise was also spontaneously acquired), the consensus might differ at least slightly in each case, and the methods and ends of research might differ drastically.
If we did the same with sociology, the deviation would probably be ultra-drastic in every case.
I know I'm splitting hairs a bit, but it's just important to recognize that consensus is not in itself suggestive of correctness or proper veracity.
Additionally, politicians would not be doing anything at all to combat climate change (even forming proposals or information campaigns) if the incentives did not positively relate to the institution they operate under (government). It seems deranged to have any knowledge of political history, then frame eminent private sector figures as psychopaths and politicians as good Samaritans. Politicians act in the way they do, because it is good for government (or their position in government, more precisely). Personal interests are at least somewhat modulated by external incentives, and I doubt you would claim that government primarily reinforces, rather than challenges virtue in politicians.