I think that moving forward the Moderation team could vastly improve the overall content quality on the site by introducing a long timer after an initial post from a new IP.
As it stands there are currently post timers implemented to encourage thoughtful discussion and high quality content but there is no process available to make sure that someone who wants to join in on a thread or board has actually spent enough time in either to meaningfully contribute.
When a post by a user with a new IP is made a set amount of time before any new contributions can be made would go into effect. This timer should run no less than the average response time of the moderation staff (i.e the amount of time rule violating content can be left up or 3-8+ hours). This would shift the workload from moderators playing catch up to proactively forcing low content posters to cycle their IP if they want to immediately continue degrading board quality.
Breaking the ability of chronic shitposters to abuse new IPs outweighs any perceived loss of content by the individuals who will try to claim mobile posters and other individuals who have to regularly rotate IPs will be unduly effected by this type of new user/IP policy.
Can you think of any drawbacks to this system? Aside from aforementioned mobile posters I can't think of any other demographic bringing new IPs to the board that wouldn't benefit from a mandatory minimum timer being set before they can continue to contribute.
The only other arguments against a policy like this would be that board discussion may suffer as new users leave open threads of discussion with other users as they wait on their cooldown.
I don't want to hear about how butthurt you are over having to reset your router because giving a .01% content post of "go back to redd!t!" is getting you banned. I want insight from you ban evading faggots on how laughably easy this would be able to circumvent.
The fact you're even getting UPSET over the go back to redd!t bans is telling that you were never on the site during Kimo/4|\|0|\|Ta!k and the identical situation that is happening now or your entire trolling repertoire consists of telling other users to go back to redd!t.
>he didn't read the original post
>he posted zero content contributing to the discussion
>he sure showed me with hot opinions and buzzwords
Be right back Im going to go choke myself to death on all the counter arguments and differing positions you posted.
This could be an added benefit to a 4chan pass, too. Accessing boards without having to wait. If you break the rules, the pass, the current Ip and all the past IPs associated with the pass also get banned, so it doesn't allow for easy ban evasion unless shitposters are willing to spend enough money in passes for Hiroshima to hire a team of full time moderators.
Ideally this would only really be a consideration for users first visiting the site who aren't the target demographic for 4chan passes. Another way of incentivizing passes and potentially mitigating ban evasion would be to have a priority/weighted report system that saw 4chan pass user reports appearing at the top of the queue. It would help focus the attention of the limited staff on handling reports that actually have a consequence for being classified/spoofed.
The entire lack of a drop down to select a correlating rule violation to directly report along with the post doesn't make any sense. Incorporating something like that would make the janitor's position a strict yes/no on whether it goes against the rule instead of having to suss out what the rule violation is in the first place. More importantly it would give black and white rule violations (1,2,4,7-15,17) a more expedient turn over while higher up moderation can handle the "grey area" reports.
The old Moot defense in regards to the moderation team and division of labor needs to be forgone to accommodate the changing userbase and sources of new users to better preserve board integrity.
Autistic neckbeards who can't help but approach their being banned for blatant shitposting and rule violations as a "cultural schism" reminds me heavily of niggers burning down their own communities and brutalizing each other then crying foul of the people who have to put them back in line.
Thread should be around for awhile, so there's plenty of opportunity!
Seems like a good idea on the face of it but something about it doesn't sit right with me.
It would clearly force ban evaders to post less frequently but it would also impact innocent users who maybe want to join in on a college or friend's computer. And there may be honest users who can only post with a fluid IP for whatever reason and they'd be completely excluded. I can also imagine some ban evaders would find a way around it anyway.
I do think you might be onto something OP. Ban evasion and repeat offending is obviously becoming a nightmare on a lot of boards but your solution seems a little too drastic for me. I dread the day when users have to spend time activating their IP before they can post, but I wouldn't be completely opposed to seeing a trial version of something like this on one of the more abused boards.
Honestly the best thing to do is make sure people can't post without a 4chan Pass. That way every user will be tied to a login permanently, and if they fuck up? Too bad, your pass is banned. Buy another. You could still post anonymously but all mods would see your Pass ID.
Plus that would solve 4chan's money issues. If every user bought a pass 4chan would be rolling in money.
That would make it far too easy for a biased mod to censor 4chan however they wanted and would also exclude a giant proportion of users who just can't afford a pass. This policy would drive most of the traffic elsewhere and leave those of us who actually bought passes waiting days for replies.
A better solution (although still pretty drastic in my eyes) would be an IP registering process:
The system would log all IPs used on 4chan in one week/month, and then implement a policy whereby any brand new IPs either have to buy a pass or wait 24 hours for their new IP to be activated for posting on the site. If the option also exists for a user to activate a free account that they can log in to, then anyone tied to a fluid IP can still use the site normally by logging in for free.
This way, mods can permaban an IP and force the ban evader to either wait 24 hours to activate a new IP or buy a pass for each post.
Would it be worth you registering a free 4chan account (just a password) and then logging into 4chan whenever your IP changed, if the payoff was no more ban evasion on the site?
See my idea here: >>427422 (3rd paragraph)
You'd have to spend one 24hr period without posting while your account activated but like I said, it would prevent ban evasion.
>Autistic neckbeards who can't help but approach their being banned for blatant shitposting
Is that all this will be effecting you little dick fart? Every single smartphone that isn't connected to wifi changes IP when you switch it on. That means no smartphone user can ever use the site.
>Duh they shouldn't be on here anyway
Glad to see you have everybody's interests in mind when making these embarassingly poorly thought out considerations for the board. If you look at the stats for even pornhub, 50-60% of their traffic is from smart phones. You really think this isn't a big chunk of users? Is that what you really think? Also forget using friend's laptops, computers, or getting online because your ISP switches IP addresses out of security every few days.
You are a cuckold and a douche. You should have your right cheekbone broken with an open hand slap from a UFC fighter.
>doesn't know a thing about why the current system is being used
>tried to fuck up things while pretending to be an expert
pic so very related
You're a complete idiot if you think mandatory passes are a good idea. Name one single successful internet forum that requires payment. 80% of the userbase would fuck off to one of the dozens of identical chans that are free, leaving this site dead in the water. Maybe boards like /b/ and /v/ would still have some activity but the actual good boards like /ck/ would be ghost towns. I can't believe you need this explained.
And I must be "/pol/" because I oppose your completely retarded idea for enforcing the rules? Did you read the rest of my post? I suggested an equally effective way to enforce the rules that wouldn't lose the entire userbase.
Keep crying about /pol/ though faggot, you make them look sane by comparison.
I can tell you as a mobile poster all it takes is for me to turn off wifi and jump on the cellular network to get a new IP. Mobile posting has made bans, post timers and ID's completely pointless.
Just go to Something Awful. Making 4chan passes mandatory to post and creating a registry for IPs is retarded.
What's wrong with creating a registry? I guess it could slow the system down if it has to index every post against the registry and it would be inconvenient for users who can't help their IP changing. They'd have to register an account that mods could ban if necessary, and that would entail a 24hr wait to activate the account.
But if it puts an end to the constant ban evaders shitposting, spamming and generally trashing the place, couldn't it be worth a trial on one of the more abused boards?
Most users wouldn't even notice it, as it only affects users when they post with an unrecognised IP (IPs would've been collected and filed for weeks beforehand), and then it's just a single case of waiting 24hrs to post normally again.
I'm not saying it needs to be done but if ban evaders continue making boards unusable, drastic measures may be needed.
>What's wrong with creating a registry?
Pretty sure one of 4chan's developers addressed why this isn't technically feasible or even desirable. I think it was either on /a/ or old /q/, not sure.
In any case your ideas are bad and you should feel feel bad. Registration is the antithesis of 4chan.
>Most users wouldn't even notice it, as it only affects users when they post with an unrecognised IP
Most users don't have static IPs, ips are dropped and adopted all the time. The problem with your logic, and the logic behind a lot of moderation policy is that you're operating under the assumption that an IP = a person when that's simply not the case.
>I'm not saying it needs to be done but if ban evaders continue making boards unusable, drastic measures may be nneeded
As someone coming from one of the most abused, unusable boards on 4chan, the problem isn't with ban evaders, it's with inconsistent moderation and posts that DON'T get banned.
Granted, it's not nearly as retarded of an idea as making payment mandatory to post on 4chan, but it's still pretty implausible.
>What's wrong with creating a registry?
Not just is all the ideas in this thread stupid, most of the them are the /very/ reason 4chan was fucking made. To get away from that shit which was on things like SA.
/qa/ really is just /q/, in history and posts. A lot of the shit said and suggested here were already done on /q/ long ago and rejected for being stupid.
It won't stop anything. Even pay2post forums aren't free of trolling and shitposting and to top of it off are normally the worst forums for any actual quality. They are normal smug fucks thinking they are above others. OPs suggestion and none of the other suggestions will work. People have tried tons of things like this shit on various forums over the years. Nothing works and people will get through. If you create a creative way to stop people, they will find a creative way to get past it. It's simple as that.
The only sure-fire effective way to maintain a community is through good smart moderation and a community that actually gives a fuck and is willing spend time out of its day to use the report feature and self-moderate. Stop trying to suggest garbage that makes every convoluted and annoying for everyone, when there are tons of other ways to do things. Kill yourself.
I don't see how this will really mitigate things. As long as new IPs are able to make one post before the timer kicks in, evaders will still be able to spam and shitpost as they please. Many persistent evaders hop IPs after every post they make before even catching a ban.
>pay2post forums aren't free of trolling and shitposting
Of course you'll never get rid of the worst people. But small measures can be taken to remove the majority of people that think it's great to post idiotic stuff every time they post.
No, I come here because I'm interested in how other people that use 4chan, see 4chan.
No, the only small measures that should be taken is the convenience features removed, setting 4chan back to its old state and mobile posting ban. Anything else is convoluted bullshit that is attacking the symptom instead of the cause.
Are you seriously saying you make a judgement on the site's entire userbase behavior ie anonymous based on how /qa/ at one time behaves? What were you saying about logic again?
Why don't you just BE anon, so you can know 4Chan. This standoff and observe attitude you are rocking won't be creating any new memes or community bonds soon.
So why even value your opinion.
>all these newfags who spend their time contriving these retarded systems for 4chan that would essentially undermine what makes 4chan "4chan"
>all in the name of putting a stop to "shitposting," i.e. things that trigger them
Have you even wondered why the userbase on 4chan is so bad? It's not just the mods not always being around, and it's not just because of anonymity. You can post without signing in. There is no fence you have to cross before posting. It's a mess. An interesting mess, but still a mess. You can walk in, say something that is guaranteed to get you banned, and you can just change your IP. Just about anyone can do it. There is such little restraint shown because it isn't needed to continue posting.
>Are you seriously saying you make a judgement on the site's entire userbase behavior ie anonymous based on how /qa/ at one time behaves?
No, it's just a small taste of each board's userbase, not an example of each how each board is completely.
>Uses tripcode like a username
>Complains that others undermine what makes 4chan "4chan"
>Have you even wondered why the userbase on 4chan is so bad?
>There is no fence you have to cross before posting.
>/qa/ is a small taste of each board's userbase
Please just stop. It's over.
>not an example of each how each board is completely
Nice job ignoring half of what I said. It's good to know people like you squirm at the very thought of not being able to act like a moron at the drop of a hat.
>purpose of 4chan is to judge others by the content of their posts, not by their identity
Lurk for a few more years, friend, you'll be ready for the big leagues eventually :3
No, meme arrowing is as exact I want them to be. The phrase that is meme arrowed emphasizes one of your assumptions i am mocking for being completely wrong.
Please. You are so new and hate anon and feel it is your duty to solve the anon problem. We are not memeing when we say anons can spot where you are coming from kilomemes away.
Congrats! You've figured out one of the most appealing features of the site!
Guess what, for many, many years, the site had no real problems of extreme shitposting. It was there, but it wasn't overly a problem. You know why it is now? Because every board but /a/ dropped old board culture and self-moderation in favour of just becoming a normal discussion site and being inclusive. You want to decrease shitposting? Encourage and enforce old board culture and smarter moderation, not suggest stupid convoluted systems that fuck with the way the site is ran for some arbitrary reason. Even more so when your suggestions WON'T fix anything.
Again, you are attacking the symptom and not the cause. The cause is the userbase, not the posting system. Punishing the entire userbase because of a loud minority is retarded. Fucking kill yourself.
>it's just a small taste of each board's userbase
No its not. Don't be retarded.
Shitposting what they don't like.
/a/ is not better than any other board, because every board does that.
>The cause is the userbase, not the posting system
The userbase is the problem, yes, but that's also because of how the posting system works. The posting system is what makes a lot of the shitposting easily possible. Not all of it, but it is part of the problem.
>4chan flooded by more newfags than ever
>no one lurks
>"lets hire newfag mods"
10/10 would stealth 8gag again
Do you always get this riled up when you get BTFO?
>i have idea what self-moderation is or the point of it
If you have a problem with the posting system, how about you go to a different chan or make your own instead of made stupid suggestions for this one? Pretty much every single suggestion and change to the older 4chan systems have been retarded and bad for this site. Fuck off. /q/ has already came and gone and these suggestions have all already been told to fuck off for being stupid.
I can post more if you like bby
Looks like I beat you, faggot
>want to remove features that make this site different that others and kill it
>actually believe that it will help with anything
>retards like this are on this site right now
>not suggest stupid convoluted systems that fuck with the way the site is ran for some arbitrary reason.
You mean like mobile posting? 4chan ran perfectly fine with a healthy userbase and growth for years without mobile users. It also worked just fine when mobile users were restricted to being unable to start their own threads.
> Punishing the entire userbase because of a loud minority is retarded.
I agree whole heartedly, having the entire site be at the whim of mobile shitposters is retarded. Just because someone wants to shit up the place before settling into his two hour MLP fap session doesn't mean that the entire userbase should have to shift through the dumping grounds of an international bottom 5% to engage in discussion or share ideas.
Objectively the shitposting problem is something that effects the ENTIRE userbase, while any sort of move forward to throttle new IPs from contributing would only effect mobile posters and people who can't keep an IP.
>bad for this site.
Like most of the changes from '12 onwards that saw the low quality troll userbase move to mobile posting because of the ease of IP abuse?
Seriously, What the hell are you thinking? It's 4chan. Such bullshit like this crap is inconsiderate and outright rude.
It's the same old thing. Somebody that has NO IDEA how things work starts demending changes that "they" want.