What the fuck?
This is completely retarded and i hope the said mod is removed. The whole point of this fucking website is that it's a place to say whatever the fuck you want without being judged by your appearance, social status, age or whatever. If people start to get banned for saying "bad words" you might aswell fucking add a login feature and turn this place into reddit.
This is why newfags shouldn't be mods. It was one fucking harmless post. Even if it is against the rules he should have been warned or had the post deleted. Not a fucking public ban.
If we allow mods to start banning people because they say something about niggers soon we'll just become another boring heavily moderated website where you can only post opinions that most people have.
There's plenty of punishment already. If you post anything illegal, porn on blue boards, GET threads, or completely blatant derailing, you are going to get banned. Maybe a warning.
The post in question here is merely someone posting their opinion. It's like someone getting banned for saying, "You're waifu a shit".
You can definitely tell that there's been a huge influix in newfags, probably from Reddit and NeoGaf.
4chan as a whole, especially on /v/, has become so up it's own ass about the rules as of late. Not that it's any better, but back in the day /v/ was basically /b/ 2.0
I don't see a problem here
As a matter of fact, I love it if there were more mods banning people for breaking rules and derailing threads.
He broke 4 rules in a single post, that easily deserves a ban. And he's probably the type that posts garbage like that all day, every day, on any board he visits. Retards of the Internet: Defending Blatant Stupidity.
I don't even care if what he said is racist or not. It's pointless drivel, that has nothing to do with video games. If you defend that guy, kindly pack your bags, and leave 4chan.
No. Rule 3, maybe.
5, absolutely not. Offensive words and opinions are fine on blue boards. "Work safe" ONLY means no posting porn (and maybe gore to some extent, but that's pushing the envelope already). Rule 6 does not REQUIRE posts to be high-quality images or informative; it is only "encouraged".
/v/ rule 1 is also a reference primarily to OPs. Also, the anon was responding to and deriding someone else in the thread that was directly trying to undermine the thread. If anyone was violating that rule, it was the anon to which the banned one was responding.
>"Work safe" ONLY means no posting porn (and maybe gore to some extent, but that's pushing the envelope already)
Go to Mcdonalds, and call someone a "nigger". Watch what happens.
>/v/ rule 1 is also a reference primarily to OPs
That kind of post is considered derailment.
>to say whatever the fuck you want without being judged by your appearance, social status, age or whatever
That was for people with unpopular opinions. Calling someone a nigger is just shitposting which was never allowed, you fucking giganigger.
You totally misunderstand it. Text, in any form, is acceptable. If it were a loud song yelling "nigger" or something, then it would be innapropriate as you are claiming. Worksafe is NOT a guarantee that content on the board is acceptable for work, but that certain content which is unacceptable is not permitted. For example, images with nudity are permitted on /a/, a blue board, as long as it aired on TV. You would certainly get fired for viewing those images at a workplace, but they are still allowed on /a/. Hiro himself stepped in to say that this was acceptable.
Also, the post being a derailment or not is irrelevant. The post to which it is replying is the derailment. "Drakeposting" is a meme on /v/ and other boards to intentionally get people to respond to their image rather than the post. This has been going on for quite a while. Additionally, the drakeposting anon was just calling the thread "SJW" in an attempt to derail it himself. The banned poster was deriding him for that.
This isn't fucking McDonalds m8 sorry to burst your bubble but calling someone a nigger on 4chan is like calling someone m8 in real life, it's like you don't even know about the effect of anonymity on a large forum, like calling someone a faggot on /b/ everyone EXPECTS it and /v/ is /b/ 2.0 already.
the mod was fucking retarded to hand out a public ban for something as stupid as a banter post with the word nigger in it, a warning would be sufficient. public bans are reserved for shit that everyone can see is not acceptable, blatant shitposting. seeing stuff like this makes me concerned for the overall health of the site. being able to call people stupid niggers for having stupid opinions is part of what makes this website fun.
I'm convinced he only did it to start shit
He's probably sitting on his fat ass in front of his computer right now thinking "i can fucking ban anyone I want and you can't stop me"
Kind of like that old copypasta said, it's the only power he will ever have in his pathetic life
The problem is the influx itself, not where it came from.Allow me to illustrate:
Imagine a simplified 4chan where there are 1000 users and 3 boards, and each board only has room for 100 posts. One board is a containment board for unsavory stuff, which can be /pol/ shit or just general tolerance of shitposting and derailing, let's call it /cancer/, and the other boards are /weeb/ and /vidya/. Now imagine that, on average, 50% of users tolerate "banter" and shit outside of /cancer/ and all of them post in /vidya/ and /cancer/, while only half of them post in /weeb/. The other 50% of users all use /weeb/, but only 50% of them visit /cancer/ and none of them visit /vidya/ because of its tolerance for shit where it doesn't belong.
So, we have 750 people on /weeb/, 750 people on /cancer/ and 500 people on /vidya/. Now, assuming there are always 100 posts on each board and that every board reflects the preferences of its users, /weeb/ would have 75 posts on topic and 25 banter posts, while /vidya/ and /cancer/ are pretty much the wild west where anything goes, so 2000 banters posts. Now imagine we add 1000 new users, who don't have much of a clue of how the site works, and start using the site corresponding perfectly to the on-topic/banter ratio present on all boards. That would mean 750 new banterers, and only 250 new people who want on-topic posts in /weeb/. As the site grows, the proportion of people who actually want to stay on topic and discuss stuff they want compared to the people who want to just post /cancer/ banter becomes smaller and smaller. It is obvious the solution to keep baord quality would be to enforce the rules and ban /cancer/ from /vidya/. Now, the actual situation in this site is quite a bit more complex, but the same reasoning can still be applied. The more the userbase grows while there are unwritten rules that are enforced over the written ones, the more the site will become more and more like its most chaotic boards.
If what you say were actually true, then thaty guy wouldn't have been banned.
>/v/ is /b/ 2.0 already
I was going to respond to your post seriously at first, but it's obvious that you don't want /v/ to improve anyway.
All this, and so many people wonder why mods hardy say anything? You need to wake up, and realize that you are the very people that make 4chan bad. You actively encourage stupidity and pointles posst on every single borad you use. And PS, your bullshit about /a/ is a pathetic excuse. You have 3 porn boards for anime. Grow up, and use them. inb4 but it's in many series! As if posting that stuff is really important to the discussion. "Look at her tits!" "What do they feel like?" That's not important, unless you're going to make a whole thread about them, and then it might as well be on one of your 3 porn boards boards. It is not important. Grow the fuck up. You are exactly the kind of person that gives /a/ a bad name.
It's only bad because people like you want it to be bad.
People have no self control because they can easily avoid a ban.
Stop trying to defend stupidity on every board just because it's normal. You are why 4chan is bad.
it is when this is one of the few places left in the world where you can freely discuss whatever topic you want, using whatever language you want, without people automatically shitting on you for using a naughty word. Seriously, fuck off with this "its just a Mongolian paper folding board", it's a lot bigger deal than that.
I don't mind people discussing whatever they want, as long as it's inside the appropriate board. I just want certain boards to stop acting like they owned the site and forcing their shit on users of boards that do not wish to discuss it instead of in the boards, where, you know, they'll actually be able to discuss it without anyone complaining.
Ah, you seem to be illiterate. Allow me to simplify what was apparently impossible for you to grasp-
You're getting extremely excited that you can't edgepost racism on the video games wing of an anime imageboard. That's literally what you're doing. You could be doing something better with your time, but you aren't. That's very pathetic and not at all manly in any feasible sense of the word.
"Because /v/ acts like spoiled teenagers."
"No, because /v/ acts like spoiled teenagers."
Your "fuck the system" attitude sounds exactly like a spoiled teenager. You will not be scared into submission. You will be FORCED to submit. End of story.
yes, but calling someone a nigger is a staple of 4chan. it's always been that way.
you mean your /pol/ boogyman? /pol/ isn't responsible for every nigger related shitpost, and if you were actually concerned about the quality of the website, you would see that a public ban only fans the flames, the post was 100% harmless until the red text was slapped on it. this is undeniable truth.
im annoyed that a simple niggerpost caused an entire thread to erupt into shitposting. this wouldn't have happened if the mod wasn't such an uppity nigger, and simply issued a warning, or even a nonpublic ban.
You just don't get it, dude. This website is for freshly-minted teenagers to post edgy racist shit about Super Mario. That's literally why this website exists. I've been coming here for six months whenever Reddit gets boring. I know these things.
The rules are purposely written so that it's left up to the janitor's interpretation.
Seriously, what the fuck does 'flaming' even mean? It's so incredibly nebulous, 90% of discussions on 4chan could be considered flaming.
Honestly as crazy as it sounds at first, that's is a part of why its bad. But /v/ is such a mess of stupidity from within 4chan and from without. Most people expect /v/ to be bad, so they make sure to make /v/ bad. There are people that go out of their way to make sure /v/ continues to be bad. These people WORK to make /v/ bad. And some other people just see it happening and decide to join in on the "fun", because that is what is expected of /v/. Video games are very popular, and many of the people that play them aren't the brightest, or are simply underaged. It's a bunch of children/childlike/immature people that make it worse because they believe it is expected of them, and some people think it's a great idea to defend the very behavior that make them ask why /v/ is bad.
>calling someone a nigger is a staple of 4chan. it's always been that way.
This mentality is why people only shitpost. It'd be one thing if the guy added anything to his post then called him a nigger, but this shit has been unchecked for way too long. The mods need to make that primary secondary tertiary sticky again.
Yes. It is. And there's nothing you can do about it.
You can start another chan, one maybe with plenty of freespeech feelgood safespace zones to talk about how evil women are. I'm certain your new chan will get lots of traffic and absolutely not turn into a dead wasteland for /pol/ rejects and pedophiles.
the posts calling people niggers are not the problem. they never have been and never will be. The problem is the shitposters who create the same stale bait threads every single day. I go on /v/ most days to check it out, its pretty much always the same fucking threads. it has nothing to do with the people who niggerpost, and everything to do with people making shitty threads. and none of those threads are blatant nigger threads, those only appear on /pol/, as they should. thinly veiled nigger threads sometimes appear on /sci/ and other boards, but are not as common and not a huge problem. they are the /v/ equivalent of the "is X degenerate" or "redpill me on Y" threads on /pol/. that is the true problem.
>>you mean your /pol/ boogyman?
You are the one that came to that conclusion, that sort of stuff has happened with several boards and it has had to be curtailed every time. The latest example would probably be bronies and posting outside of /mlp/.
And the problem is not the word nigger itself, it's how it's used, if someone posts something funny and you respond with a gif of a blakc person laughing and post "My nigger", I doubt anyone will get pissed off. If you tell someone o kill themselves over having a pic of a back person, well, that's a whole new level of racism right there, one that should rightly be banned outside of the boards where that's acceptable.
>And there's nothing you can do about it.
We can complain about it, and hope these faggot janitors, trying to singlehandedly alter board-cultures to fit their ideals, either get removed or told to stop.
There is always the option to "hire" more mature janitors who value freespeech, and further more those buzzwords you mentioned are hilariously inaccurate for your favorite chan, now kindly leave the board you have proven how simplistic your worldview is and that's the only card you ever played.
again, every poster who says nigger isn't from /pol/, nigger is not a /pol/ thing, racism is not a /pol/ thing. racism on 4chan does not need to be contained, it never has been. I doubt you've browsed this site for very long, stop trying to make it a safe space free of racism just like every other website you like.
If you don't give a shit about video games then WHY ARE YOU RUNNING YOUR YAP IN A THREAD DEDICATED TO DISCUSSING THE MODERATION OF A VIDEO GAMES FORUM???
Obviously you don't go on /v/, so why are you acting like your opinion on this matters one tiny bit? GTFO to somewhere you DO care about you incredible faggot.
>>Literally the thread is about a mod banning an anon for racism
>>Why can't I spout my middle school tier racism without even the slightlest attempt to be on-topic on literally every single board, fukcing faggot mods.
And i'm the one crying and asking for a safe space. yeah sure.
Yes, you do want a safe space free from the naughty racism from those mean anons on 4chan. I can tell you haven't been here very long, maybe you should lurk more? The post he was banned for was pretty standard. And you simply cannot defend a public ban for something like this, all it did was make everything 100% worse.
>i protect free speech in video game forum moderation threads on the moderation discussion board of an anime-based imageboard website
Thank you for your brave service. I'm sure all of us autistic manchildren gamers will sleep a little more soundly knowing that a grown up man like you is out here fighting for our right to call each other niggerfaggots while discussing video games.
If there isn't a medal for such sacrifice, I'm sure there will be after the President of the USA sees your post.
Let me spell it out for you:
What was bannable wasn't using "nigger", it was getting triggered by his racism and responding with a "kill yourself" post which is the most trite, unoriginal and offtopic shit you can post.
But whatever, you'll respond to this with "kill yourself" and think you are the one true paladin of intelligent, free discourse on the internet.
i only post this because posts like these have been a staple of 4chan since its inception. i've been here for way too fucking long to see retards like you come in and say "no no, this isn't acceptable anymore."
so, kill yourself, nigger.
try almost 10 years.
its fine to report shitposting, it get that. whats not fine is for a mod to dole out a public ban for a totally harmless shitpost, thus killing the thread for good and causing several more shit flinging threads after. it was just the wrong choice, plain and simple.
If I'm honest I think that a warning and a few hours block would have been appropriate response for that post and that the public ban was going overboard and did more harm than good. The post itself was harmless, the fucking meme that every board should be a copy of /b/ where anything goes that is flaring up in response is what is the true cancer.
yeah you caught me i can samefag my posts within 2 seconds of each other
nice catch einstein
Things 4chan was intended to be:
>An anime imageboard
>A board centred around Japanese culture, modeled after 2ch
Things 4chan was NOT intended to be:
>A safe space for cuckservatives
>A stormfront enclave website for fat insufferable losers to blame their failure of a life on DA JOOS.
>your FREEZE PEACH zone
>a blog for all your stupid, inane opinions
Hope this helps, /pol/niggers. I hope you're happy knowing that you contributed to the decline of this website.
No, "shitposting over /pol/ memes is perfectly acceptable in every board" is the fucking meme that needs to die. You can have any opinion you want, and use any words you want, as long as you, you know, actually try to discussand contribute and don't just post effortless /pol/ memes and get triggered when someone left of Hitler posts.
Yes, literally the entire site shares your opinion except for me and I have a computer supercluster and a data center with thousands of changing IPs so that I can samefag over and over every time someone is racist on 4chan. I confess it.
>saying nigger is bad meme
>le go back to /pol/ is best meme
I don't mind racism, but I don't like it when people blatantly derail threads
The the /v/irgin's banning was an overreaction, but the attitude of the anons defending free /pol/ shitposting everywhere that have been complaining about it is a real problem. You clearly haven't had to suffer threads you like getting derailed over and over because some autist on them gets triggered if you post a screencap with a black character over it, or post about a game which has a gay character or developer, or post a fucking ethnic recipe in /ck/ and start getting told that it's "nigger food" and told to kill yourself.
He had nothing of value to add in the thread.
He saw people posting a couple of niggers, got triggered, then told them to kill themselves.
I'm not offended by racism or people saying nigger, kike, etc, I just think that /pol/ has a really 2D view of the world and their brand of crossboarding is really quite obvious and cancerous. They are the new furfags.
>Not caring about rules
This type of reasoning is the reason 4chan is getting more mods, this place will be fucked
Its not about the containing, its about what will happen when mods start banning more people, get the users shitposting more in order revolt.
This place will become more of a shitfest then it already is.
So, it's not the users fault, but the mods. Clearly people need to stop crying over every little racist comment and just let the community breathe. None of this moderation helps, it only hurts.
>they will always report posts that offend their feelings and the janitors/mods will carry through.
and that is what sparks everybody flipping shit over mods, like they are now.
the only way to fix the problem is for mods to ignore the reddit faggots who cry about their feelings.
literally nothing wouldve happened if they didnt ban him for no reason.
The thing is that mods usually use global #3 or off-topic reply as the reason to ban users who hurt someone's feelings. Especially mods who don't know jack shit about the board they're in or their culture.
I think you've been here too long. Knowing what the board is like and accepting that are two different things. You either accept and like that 4chan is the way it is, or you've given up on changing it. I don't care which is worse but both are bad. Be the change you want to see in the world. Go back to reddit and kill yourself, Amen.
Thanks. Go back to reddit and kill yourself, Amen.
Yes, I like 4chan the way it is. That isn't bad. What's bad is retarded redditors like yourself coming in and saying "no no, this is bad, I dont like this, this needs to change" fuck off back to literally any other website if you can't handle how we do things here.
Go back to reddit and kill yourself. Amen.
You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames,
off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.
Global Rule 3:
You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.
>telling people to accept change to 4chan
>implying we would like it if this place because a place where muh my feelings matter
Remove yourself. And telling others go back to reddit doesn't hide that fact the you are literally from there, newfag.
Are you 4chan? Are you honestly proud of being a pathetic loser? You like who you are? That's kind of inspiring in a way. I wish I was so lucky that I could have a feeling of self worth without ever making any effort to kill myself. Teach me your ways oh master. Go back to reddit and kill yourself. Amen.
>muh sekrit club
That's not the point. They come here and get upset over the way people talk, images, and posts and try to change it. They either accept it and adapt or get the fuck out and find some other place that won't offend them.
I am not 4chan, but when I browse here, I am. My life is not 4chan, but I like 4chan how it is. Telling me to go back to reddit does not do anything to cover up the fact that you are painfully obviously from reddit yourself. I've only ever been to that website once and I couldn't figure out how to navigate it. It's a fucking eyesore. I am not a pathetic loser just because I think 4chan is good how it is. You're a nigger.
If you don't like the way 4chan is, why stay?
You're like one of those pathetic women who keeps going back to an abusive boyfriend because you believe that if you just nag him enough then one day he'll stop smacking you for burning the dinner.
Not him, but we're more like a generous wealthy man who has put a lot of effort into helping a criminal reform, and after all this time it's finally paying off because we've succeeded.
I'm not talking about anybody's perception of you. I'm talking about your own perception of yourself. You're the only person who'll ever be there for your entire life and you're the only person who you ever need to get the approval of. I'm proud of you for having that approval. I'm a little disappointed that the only way you can get that approval is by dragging other people down, but that is really a small complaint for an otherwise working system of feeling good about yourself.
Well done, Anon. You like yourself. You've won!
I'm very aware of rule 3, that's why you don't see Nigger Story threads being posted outside of /b/ and /pol/. Rule 3 has pretty much never been used on individual uses of the word nigger, or singular racist posts. That causes more harm than good, especially with a public ban.
I don't see it that way. I see us all having a big discussion and /qa/ getting a lot of activity because of that public ban. No individual post on 4chan has any value, but the combined activity of the website is good and anything the mods might do to drum up some activity is a good thing. Users are a dime a dozen, and one of 4chan's biggest problems is that it's too crowded. We need more engagement from fewer people and this public ban accomplished that.
Also, complaining about public bans makes you sound like a newfag because B& and Stickied used to be the norm.
To put it simply, I'm only pretending to be retarded.
>implying your "tone-policing" and constant crying to the mods has changed one single attitude on here
>implying your efforts to make 4chan a "safe space" haven't created a huge backlash that regularly derails threads into /pol/ shit
Yeah, you really fixed 4chan guys! I'm sure glad nobody says anything racist on here now. It sure sucked being able to talk about the board's topic without every other post complaining about political correctness! I feel so respected! My feelings are finally safe from the mean Anons who picked on me these last 8 years.
>Also, complaining about public bans makes you sound like a newfag because B& and Stickied used to be the norm.
Yeah, but they were always humorous posts that got the ban, like a GET steal or something like that. It was part of the culture. This was just a butthurt mod banning someone for saying a mean word. There was nothing funny about it. Either that or a banned thread was stickied to show this kind of shit wasn't allowed, I remember a thread about banning /r/ing a long time ago being used like this. or something like that, it's been awhile.
Your memory is flawed. You're biased toward the positive side of nostalgia. People got publically banned for things users hated all the time and the board exploded half in approval, bleating "MODS = GODS" and the other half crying about corruption and then they themselves being banned in the process, which got the bleating users to continue to shriek about how much they loved the moderation. Remember? Or were you not there for that?
I was, i might have some rose tinted glasses going on, but i don't remember bans for something as petty as saying nigger and telling someone to kill themselves. That's always been a pretty standard comment on any given thread.
>Filled with people telling themselves to kill eachother
I give up, I'm going back to facebook
And you keep replying to me. We're two pees in a pod, Anon, and you can't decide whether you want to be the bigger man or get the last word. But hey! As long as the person you're arguing with is more of a faggot than you are, then you get to feel good about yourself. He's a hypocrite! You're the one who's good!
I AM DROWNING AND THERE'S NO SIGN OF LAND I'LL DRAG YOU DOWN WITH ME HAND IN UNLOVABLE HAND AND I HOPE YOU DIE I HOPE WE BOTH DIE
You're weak. Whether or not I'm weak doesn't change that.
Maybe try remembering that before you demand that everyone post according to your own interpretation of the rules?
If you think a post is against the rules, report it, hide it and move on. If the post isn't deleted, that means the mods have allowed it so shut the fuck up about it. It's not your place to police this site, in fact, the more you whine about racism, the more the trolls will smell blood in the water and post ever more extreme racism in order to get all those sweet angry replies.
I've seen many a thread on /tv/ where users openly admit to posting PC/SJW shit followed by /pol/ shit, then sit back and watch the carnage. 300+ replies later and another thread has been destroyed by your insistence on telling people what they can and can't say on here, combined with some other newfag's insistence on exercising free speech at the expense of the OP.
Last word of what? And why the fuck do you keep posting those incorrect mountain goat lyrics? Did you watch an episode of moral orel and decide because you're an embarrassment that everyone else has trouble looking at themselves in the mirror? Sounds like you need to improve yourself and stop caring what other people think, my man.
But the problem is due to newfags not learning the ropes before they post. Back in the day, people who made a faux pas on here were told to lurk moar. And we did. And once we knew what the site was about we either left or we posted in accordance with a set of unwritten rules.
Nowadays half the users seem to think they're on Reddit and are so shocked by the 4chan culture that they can't stop themselves from posting and posting and posting about it (usually at the expense of people who want a normal conversation in an unrestrained environment). A lot of new users think this whole site is like /b/, and refuse to have any kind of sensible discussion. And most new users have only seen the shitty new 4chan and think this is how it's supposed to be. It's like a group of people drove into a city during a riot and now they think that this is what the city is about, so they regularly come in and immediately start looting. Then others come in, see THIS looting and make the same assumption the last group made. It's spiralling out of control and I don't see any end to it.
I'm not trying to change 4chan, I'm trying to stop 4chan from changing for the worse.
>Back in the day, people who made a faux pas on here were told to lurk moar. And we did
fucking this. i lurked for YEARS before i even bothered posting. i just had fun watching the fire burn before i felt the need to try and contribute. that kinda shit doesn't happen anymore.
That's part of 4chan. Newfags, tripfags, anons, oldfags, lurkers, crossboarders, redditors, tumblr users, the people who actually go outside of 4chan who get the content to talk about on 4chan, the world at large, are all components that make this site what they are.
Replying to bait is part of 4chan. If you didn't want bait to thrive, you'd go to some place like reddit where you can downvote it.
4chan is a place where the thread with the most activity is the thread that's on the front page the most. That's what 4chan is and that's what it's supposed to be. There is no problem. If YOU are upset then YOU have a problem, but 4chan doesn't. 4chan is working exactly the way it's supposed to.
4chan has the highest activity that it's ever had. This is not a symptom of problems. This is growth and growth is good. 4chan is evolving into what it's supposed to evolve into.
What YOU think 4chan is supposed to be is just that. It's what you think 4chan is supposed to be. At the end of the day is and ought are the same thing, and no one user, or even the amalgamation of the combined will of all users, has anything to say in what 4chan becomes. 4chan is what it is and it is good. If you don't like it, you're free to leave, which is also good. 4chan allowing you to leave is one of its best features.
Global Rule 3:
You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, FLAMES, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.
That looks like a flame to me! MODS!
>That's what 4chan is and that's what it's supposed to be. There is no problem. If YOU are upset then YOU have a problem, but 4chan doesn't. 4chan is working exactly the way it's supposed to.
4chan will always work the way it's supposed to. If they force everybody to have a tripcode it'll be working the way it's supposed to because "4chan is meant to have tripcodes," if they delete all the boards but /b/ it'll be because "only /b/ is supposed to exist," and if hiro decides enough is enough and freezes everything it'll still be working because "it's supposed to be a snapshot in time."
Pointing out that how something is means it's how it's supposed to be is a vacuous argument.
If you're so keen on rule 3, if you think it should be followed to the letter by all users without exception, then you should follow it yourself shouldn't you?
Do you know what flaming is? If not then I'll help:
To insult someone electronically, or otherwise. Sometimes to be a group insult.
You can't deny that your "fuckin retard" comment was an attempt to insult me electronically. That means it was a flame. And you can't deny that flames are against rule 3. It's written right there, clearly, in the rules:
You managed to demand we all follow rule 3 AND managed to break it, in one single sentence. That's some impressive hypocrisy. And every post you make during this, your ban duration, only compounds that hypocrisy further since you are refusing to acknowledge the consequences of breaking a rule you yourself insist we all follow.
>we're finally getting our way
Which is? To turn 4chan into a hive of racist shitposters? Because in case you didn't see the thread in the OP, that act of censorship brought down a hundred acts of defiance, to the point the mod had to delete the thread. EVERYONE started yelling "nigger!" in solidarity with the banned user.
And that's what's happening all over the site. You think the mods run this place? We're not prisoners being governed by wardens. We're football hooligans, in a constant state of riot. Sure, there is some stadium security trying to maintain order but without us there is no football game.
What do you imagine this site will be like if you reach your endgame? Suppose you do sanitise 4chan, you think everyone here will change their ways to suit the site? We ARE the site, dummy.
All you are achieving is the radicalisation of previously moderate posters, and the legitimisation of the existing right-wing extremists that frequent 4chan. You told innocent posters to go to /pol/ over some perceived offensiveness, and many did go to /pol/, but they didn't stay there like you intended. They came back to their homeboards with swastika tattoos and a copy of Mein Kampf.
>Are we going to ban retards now? Because this site would become a ghost town if that were enforced.
Many people have found themselves capable of things if only because they were forced to try. I have faith in the retards of 4chan to rise to the occasion.
"Nigger" means nothing on this website. People get called niggers all of the time. If you get offended by something so simple you probably shouldn't be here, let alone moderating.
I don't care where you go as long as you go away. This site isn't your fucking "last bastion of free speech", it's a site with rules like any other place. If you don't like that you should have read the rules instead of making up your own.
Where is the rule that says we can't say "nigger?"
Global Rule #3? See >>420832. The rule is massively open to interpretation. And since there are non-racist uses for the word "nigger" (black people use it all the time), you can't enforce a blanket ban on that (or any other) word.
More importantly, if you haven't been here long enough to know that most of the rules on 4chan are only enforced in extreme or amusing cases, then you haven't been here long enough to comment on how we should all be posting.
Lurk moar, faggot. Your new is showing.
>More importantly, if you haven't been here long enough to know that most of the rules on 4chan are only enforced in extreme or amusing cases, then you haven't been here long enough to comment on how we should all be posting.
I was amused by his ban.
Just because you don't think it is doesn't make it true. This place and many other chans are all about free speech. Maybe the creators don't care about free speech but the users do. The users are 4chan, without users this website is just an empty web page. If you hate free speech then YOU are the one who doesn't belong here. Oh and also Hiro himself (the owner of 4chan) said he bought this website to protect free speech. That officially makes this website a free speech website.
>Oh and also Hiro himself (the owner of 4chan) said he bought this website to protect free speech.
Where nigger? 4chan is not an extension of its users, btw, and has never supported free speech as evidenced by its word filters and its repeated removal of perfectly legal topics that the moderation team don't want here.
>banning someone for saying nigger
You're on the site made by a guy who filtered "peanut butter" to "nigger" for shits and giggles.
That being said I don't give a shit who gets banned on /v/, /b/, /tv/, /mu/, /pol/, or any of the other shit boards.
Who the fuck would be offended by that? It's not that it causes offense, it's that it limits what can be said on here. It's not offensive, just frustrating, and out of line with the traditional tone of 4chan.
The mods have always had to strike a balance with their moderation: Offensiveness (ie. words, views, images etc that may offend) and functionality (spam, off-topic posting etc that make it hard to enjoy quality discussion) on one side, and freedom of expression (being able to express any view, on any topic, in any way, without consequence) on the other.
Until lately they had almost always come down on the side of freedom of expression and offensiveness never even came into it, except for NSFW images on SFW boards. That's what made 4chan so great. That's why all the best content on the internet used to come from here. Unlimited creativity and discussion.
Recently a lot of newcomers have requested, even demanded, they be stricter on offensiveness at the cost of freedom of expression. Either they don't realise the effect this will have on creativity, or they don't care. I believe most people here prefer freedom. If you want somewhere inoffensive, there are many other sites. There are very few sites that are as free.
>he wasn't here for Hiro's Q&A
Yeah you are definitely new. He said he wanted to protect free speech in that thread, look for an archive of it if you want to see it.
Word filters are mostly just jokes. Plus the mods leave ways of getting around the filters open they are just harmless fun as long as they eventually go away. I also understand the need to moderate and keep boards on topic. There is a difference between that and outright banning people for saying nigger or having an opinion you don't like. Obviously this makes the whole thing very subjective because different people have different opinions on when moderation is crossing the line.
>he can't link to the answer in his q&a once he found out hiro never said that
>filters open they are just harmless fun
>get banned if you circumvent them
>glazes over that GG was on topic and mod approved then removed on a whim because mod team decides which voices get heard on their site
You can't refute it.
Let's be real here, people who talk about freedom of speech on 4chan are 8gaggers and Gamergoobers.
The site affords remarkable freedom of speech, you just have to remember you're not the center of the universe.
Difficult for some people.
Here you go then. I'm sure you know how to ctrl F. Look I'm not saying that mods never fuck up and ban people for dumb reasons. If anything that's what I was originally saying, is that mods shouldn't be banning people for saying nigger or things they don't like. Mods are humans so they are going to screw up sometimes though.
>wahhh i don't like /pol/ crossposters and i found others who agree
>seriously though, wahhhhh! i'm not upset but it's like when the furries made me cry!
>i speak for everyone here when i say wahhhh!
There's nothing to refute. It's embarrassing that someone screencapped it.
>8gaggers and gamergoobers
Holy shit lady, where do you think you are? Could you at least pretend you've been here longer than a year?
>I think last year.
>moot came to tokyo and we have drunk.
>Then he said he wanted to quit.
>As he said, there are a few people, who such free speech space in the world.
>He wanted to quit. But He and I want 4chan survive.
>It should be preserved.
>Is freedom of speech something you value?
>without it, how you want to take moot's place?
Neither of these translate to "he bought this website to protect free speech."
Mods should ban for anything that impedes honest discussion and have repeatedly banned anything that looks like an advertisement or anything that tries to get 4chan tied up in politics. It's not so much of a stretch to believe that they should also ban for racism and other no content posts.
>>As he said, there are a few people, who such free speech space in the world.
>>He wanted to quit. But He and I want 4chan survive.
That part sounds like he is saying he wants to keep 4chan, a space for free speech, alive. His engrish makes it hard to know exactly what he meant. Regardless what you added about what mods should ban for is the complete opposite of what he wants. At the very least he wants to make the users happy and what you are saying would not make them happy.
>At the very least he wants to make the users happy and what you are saying would not make them happy.
He is the guy who banned gamergate and maintained a global rule against racism
I don't think he is really on your side dude
It sounds like someone who can't speak english is failing to understand what free speech is and that moot never stood for it. Until Hiro makes an executive decision beyond board creation and speaks on behalf of 4chan, we're to assume he's trying to be as moot-like as possible.
I think you misunderstand why this place has free speech. Even if the owner of the site believed this place didn't have free speech and even if the mods believed it didn't it still does. The users will continue to say whatever they want without holding back even if they get banned occasionally. A place where people say whatever they want is by definition a place where there is free speech.
So as long as you believe hard enough, it will become true.
The great thing about 4chan is that I can admit to being who I really am. Why would I hide these things from you? I'm anonymous, what are you gonna do, out me?
I could tell you I'm a furfag, a gamergate supporter, hell, I could say I'm a racist tranny pedo whore, and tomorrow you and I would be chatting amicably on here about our favourite band on /mu/ or sharing recipes on /ck/ like nothing happened.
If you feel the need to hide your identity on 4chan to protect your reputation for one conversation with an anonymous stranger, I feel bad for you. You're not getting the most out of this site. We all have secrets but most of us have nothing to hide on here.
You can't say baka desu senpai without getting banned currently. We have free speech as American citizens, not so much on 4chan where you can get banned for literally anything. Do not conflate the two.
Americans have less free speech than 4chan. You can lose your job for saying nigger to the wrong person. That's way worse than a 3 day ban that anyone can evade if they were determined enough.
4chan is as bad as the reputation that people feel the need to uphold. The people trying to defend the person that was banned in that thread are what is wrong with 4chan. You follow popular opinion just because it's popular. You don't care about what word was used, you don't care about the freedom of speech. You do it because "it's what you're supposed to do here". And nearly everyone ignores the fact that that post was not about video games at all. You make /v/ worse. You make 4chan worse, and hell, you probably make any other website you visit, worse. The guy was publicly banned. If he wasn't publicly banned, this thread wouldn't exist at all. You would not have cared. This was obviously an example set by the moderation. An example of how the userbase reacts to anything that resembles improvement; that goes against the tradition of acting like an idiot because that kind of thing is "expected".
"You banned him for making a trash post? That doesn't happen every single time! Tyranny! Oppression! Split the heavens with your anger, my brothers! Let the truth be heard! (just ignore the fact that the post was entirely against the rules, and that this website is privately owned)"
You need to leave 4chan if you think the ban wasn't fair.
>That was me and I wasn't banned for posting it. It wasn't deleted
Is that so?
It's pretty funny. Most of the people in this thread would BOTH say "Newfags from reddit come here with the wrong idea and ruin the way the site is. They think there's a culture of funposting and they just shitpost all over the board and ruin it" AND they say, "4chan has a culture that allows me to shitpost a certain way" at the same fucking time. The depressing part is reddit newfags straight up outnumber oldfags, so the oldfags are the ones who are in the minority of the culture war. You can't impose a will on the majority if you don't have any form of standing on this site. Everybody's an equal, unless they're a mod, and the mods don't agree with the oldfags anymore, evidently, if they're banning people for using the N-Word. People need to adjust their approach because their approach isn't fucking working anymore. They need to stop doing the same thing over and over if it's not achieving the desired result, and have the fucking humility to get over their goddamn ego and accept that maybe they were doing something NOT AS CORRECTLY as they thought they were.