Dear Mods: We Need To Talk, User to Mod

The point is, the userbase wants to actually legit talk to you, but YOU must understand why people are pissed off at you right now. If you continue to keep up the way you have been moderating all of last year and after GamerGate, people will leave this site more and more, and people will continue to hate you. We are asking, as users, for more dialogue from you. We want open channels. We want you to do your jobs and talk with the userbase. Understand how we feel about the shitposting from Reddit invaders and the onslaught of underage faggots thinking 4chan is for funposting.

You want to stop hating us like you clearly do? Then talk to us for once and stop acting like you're above us

>>409473
>So by taking a look at >>407247
By looking at that 10 replies long, 2 days old shitthread?

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>>409473
90% of leaked IRC logs are fake and 66% of all posts on /qa/ are mods posting anonymously without a trip.

Half the time you are mad at mods you really should be mad at janitors. Stop being so goddamn paranoid.

>>409480
The mods are in charge of the janitors though, They could tell them to stop goofing off and do the job they do for free. However again we don't have enough mods, and global moderation isn't helping matters

>>409477
Also,
>we
>we
>we
You really, really should stop doing this shit.

>>409486
I guarantee you 95% of 4chan hates what's happening here. No one is happy with the current state of the site expect for the shitposters

>>409495
Okay kiddo.

>>409505
Have fun on /tv/, /v/, /vp/, /d/, and /int/ kiddo

this isn't /q/, dude

>This isn't SA anymore, you are not goon mods despite some of you coming from SA.

These mods didn't come from SA. All of the original mods are gone having either left over the years, fired like W.T. Snacks, fired after disagreements over the GG issue, or stepped down on their own accord after moot wanted people to provide ID in order to be a mod/janitor. These mods are from around 2008 or maybe a bit before, and most probably afterwards since they were janitors at the time and then got bumped up after all of the mods left.

So, these aren't goon mods, at least not goons who were around on SA at the same time as moot and joined when he first made the site. A good portion of the userbase has been here longer than the current mod team.

>>409473
>But lets face it, you have not been interacting with the userbase trying to at least fix the site and make improvements with Hiro and us. You constantly ignore us, you don't even bother with the feedback feature, and you seem to live in your own world separate from 4chan.
>>409474
>The point is, the userbase wants to actually legit talk to you, but YOU must understand why people are pissed off at you right now.
> We are asking, as users, for more dialogue from you. We want open channels. We want you to do your jobs and talk with the userbase.
While I might not agree with where the OP is coming from, I completely agree that we need more communication between the Mods and the Userbase...
...Hell, I'm permabanned from the IRC channel just because I was trying to discuss a ban with whatever Mod I could get in touch with.

>>409526

>...Hell, I'm permabanned from the IRC channel just because I was trying to discuss a ban with whatever Mod I could get in touch with.

Because it says right at the top of the IRC that you're supposed to use the appeal function since they're not discussing bans anymore on IRC. They have to circlejerk with their sycophants now, but they do give a pretty big heads up to just not ask about it there. If you can't follow a simple instruction, you deserve it.

And now that permabans don't even exist anymore, the longest you'll ever be banned is 30 days. So, just appeal it and deal with it.

"The use of 4chan is a privilege, not a right."
Y'all need to remember that 4chan isn't a democracy. If you don't like something here, and the rules don't support what you want done, then you're going to have a hard time. Then again...even if the rules do support what you want you're still going to have a hard time. Eh, if the rules changed in a way I couldn't agree with, I'd blow this popsicle stand.

>>409562
That is no excuse for shit moderation period.

>>409586
So then they can fucking leave. Get out then. Go somewhere else. Move on with your life like moot did.

We're gonna keep bitching at these mods and were gonna keep bringing it up to Hiro over and over again so they better get fucking used to it. People here fucking hate them, and for good reasons

I would love for a mod to come in here with his mod ID on and explain his side of the story. Go on mods, you can do it. Its not so fucking hard, or do you prefer to just hide?

>>409586
Hiro needs to fucking tell them to cut their bullshit out. Hiro wants to listen to us? He wants this site to be for the users and not the mods? Then he needs to listen to people when we say we hate the moderation on here

>>409679
I hope it doesn't come to that. I kept hoping Hiro would hopefully not let that happen. He can't make money off a dead site

>>409679
Also I love how they think they don't have to justify themselves to us. Well then, I hope they enjoy getting butthurt every time we mention the leaked IRC logs, i'm sure they'll love that

>>409679
>Moot always said he didn't care if he chased people off because more people would come. The new mods live by that.
Exactly. Nothing changed. You'll keep bitching and false-flagging, and 4chan will keep being alive and well, unlike other memetic offsprings sites.

>>409700
He's a mod. Only a mod would defend a mod on here.

>>409693
And yes mod you ran a lot of people off of here. But then again you don't' care do you?

>>>/tv/64802805

To a mod this is totally ok. There is nothing wrong about this to the mods. You mods hate /tv/ right? So tell Hiro you want it gone. Why don't you just do that already? You fucking hate the board and moot hated it to.

While I believe there is tons of issues with moderation, mod complainers really are the fucking worst and most annoying

>the mods dont care about the userbase
>they hate everyone
>they only want to powertrip
>they are just goons
>they suck moots dick
>everyone who says anything positive about moot or the mods is either a mod or janny
>issues that are janny faults is the fault of the mods
>i am in no way to blame for any of the problems or any of the users
>there was nothing wrong with gg
>4chan should cater to my needs
>the mods werent always fags
>4chan posting is a right
>4chan is about free speech
>irc logs that came around the time ggniggers were running around looking for a reason to dislike moot just so happened to be leaked and are 100% truth there is no way any of it could be false
>the dont complain about moderation rule exist because they are pussies who dont like complaints rather than because newfags are annoying and if it wasnt there every second post would be people screaming about literally nothing
>they are scared of /qa/
>they deleted /q/ because they were scared of it rather than it being because /q/ was a fucking horrible idea that caused more harm then good

Seriously, some of the mods really do need to be fucking offed, but you guys are just as fucking annoying, if not worse. You are just tinfoil retards making assumptions and baseless claims to the extreme. You aren't fucking helping anything, you are just headless chickens running around screaming about garbage making everything worse

>>409793
Hello mod!

>>409793
Hi mod/janitor, you still don't wanna talk to us face to face?

>>409793
>>4chan is about free speech

This is the dumbest myth. If you reading this believe that 4chan is about free speech, realize now that you are mistaken. It's a privately owned website and has no legal nor stated protection of freedom of speech.

>>409473
I've been blocked for about 5 months from making regular posts on a majority of the boards and I know I didn't do anything wrong. I sent feedback a message every few days but every other time it seems like I get blocked from another board.

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>all these cowardly, samefagging mods ITT

You aren't subtle lads.

We know exactly what you're doing.

>>409505
He's right, you smug faggot.

Just take a look at /qa/; virtually all of the threads plate just spam or (valid) complaints about how shitty the mods are.

Which is not unsurprising, when you actively try to destroy the boards you're supposed to moderate.

>>409505
you must be a mod to be this fucking delusional

>>410065
>Just take a look at /qa/
Here's your (You) my friend.

>>409562
what is the fucking point of ruining this site and making shittier like you've been doing for years?
It's hard to tell if the mods are malicious or just inept.

>>409803
>>409806
Are you purposefully trying to prove his point or are you just that stupid?

>>410071
I'm pretty sure that trying to destroy certain boards because you hold a 'grudge' against them falls under 'malicious.'

>>410070

Articulate what was so outrageous about my post. Go ahead.

I don't like to complain, but some of the bans handed out by them just seem stupid. It can just seem really erratic at times, especially when you've seen other users do the same thing and seemingly not get in trouble.

>>410102
Sometimes you get reported. Sometimes you don't. Sometimes a mod or janitor sees your post, sometimes they don't. That other guy that didn't get banned when you did? There has probably been a few times that guy thought the same thing you're thinking.

I STILL can't understand how people get banned on 4chan. I mean, what the heck are people posting that gets them banned? How do you even get banned on a website like 4chan? I would have to go out of my way to get banned here.

>>410103
>I STILL can't understand how people get banned on 4chan.
Some get banned for shitposting for posting content that goes against the rules. Sometimes they get hit for minor or weird things, like asking a slightly off-topic question, , or just getting on the bad side of some people.

>>410104
I still don't get it. Once in a wile, I will post things that are almost completely off-topic and hardly related to the board. But I usually go to a board that is about what I want to talk about at the time. It must be because I don't get on people's bad sides very often when I do post off-topic stuff. It's not like I make threads for off-topic discussion anyway. I'll hop into a thread and post something off-topic that doesn't dominate the thread, and doesn't make anyone's panties get in a twist. Sometimes, I almost want to try to get banned, but I just can't do it. I'm not the kind of person that will go out of my way post something so off-topic, that it will derail an entire thread and get me banned for it. Though, I will post something on-topic that does make people upset. But that's how opinions work.

>>410116
Saging while offtopic posting generally makes you avoid a ban as long as you aren't being a total faggot or shitposting

>>409480
>90% of leaked IRC logs are fake
1. they aren't
2. 10% of the content in those logs are enough to tell the userbase that mods and m00t are/were the most negative aspect of the way this site operates as a whole.

>and 66% of all posts on /qa/ are mods posting anonymously without a trip.
>Stop being so goddamn paranoid.
The irony.

>>409562
You have to understand this, mod-cunt, is that this entire site is only able to generate revenue because of US, not you. Without US, the site is NOTHING.

So you better start fucking listening and learning your place because Hiro only cares about making money off the site and if he wants more of that, he is going to need more people and less shitposting spam that is entirely useless to advertisers and companies interested in human data.

>>410188
>Remember: The use of 4chan is a privilege, not a right. The 4chan moderation team reserves the right to revoke access and remove content for any reason without notice.

>>410103
>I STILL can't understand how people get banned on 4chan.
It's really easy if you use legacy boards. There are certain threads on /a/, for example, which are routinely monitored by the a T/u/mblr faggot mod who has banned me on several occasions for "shit outside of /b/" when telling a couple of retards to go back to /u/ and that they aren't welcome with their heterosexual hatred spam they just can't help but bring up in thread which attract yurifags.

It's really blatant at times when he is actively shaping a thread; it's like these retards aren't aware that we can see every post they delete.

>>410192
Hiding behind shitty "rules" won't protect you, you fucking spastic.
Once Hiro catches on to the negative impact you and the rest of the shitty hotpocketeers are having on the site, you will be removed.

You know this more than anyone else, that's why you're shitting up these threads as an attempt to make it harder for hiro to see without drawing too much attention with blatant action.

>>410200
I heard there was a site for your kind. Oh, right, it was

>>>/8gag/

>all these faggots decrying how mods are killing the site and how it's making 4chan lose its userbase

that would be a dream come true

I gotta fucking laugh when everyone is thinking /v/ is shit because of the lack of moderation, and not because it's fucking huge. Reducing the site userbase would only improve discussion, as all the fuckers who do nothing but shitpost to get those precious replies, and treat 4chan as nothing else but a glorified chatroom with pictures would finally fuck off.

But we all know that won't happen, and 4chan will keep increasing in popularity until it's completely devoid of the original userbase.

>>410264
They should get rid of r/4chan, because it's bringing in the most shitposters, no doubt about it. Goobergate is a reddit thing.

But considering reddit's obession with it, they'd just make a new one or use r/classic4chan instead.

It feels like every time Hiro is away the mods go crazy. They really fucking hate him

>>410291
That subreddit is really what is causing so many issues. They're the faggots who think Reddit is for serious discussions and 4chan is for fun posting

>>410202
Can't think of a good comeback hotpocket? Jesus you mods/janitors really hate getting backed into a corner huh?

>>410196
His name is Troid and he's a Brony

>>410431
Which logs? The one that those gnfos retards dumped?

>>410422
That was an insult, not criticism.

Looks like the mods are seemingly now deleting anything this is really laying into them. They're watching these threads now and they are getting pissed as fuck

>>410422
>>https://desustorage.org/qa/thread/409473/
fucking really mods? Really? All we wanted was for you to come in here and talk to us. Instead now you're deleting anything that really triggers you. Worse, you're deleting anything that dares to say bad things about your buddy moot, who I must remind you does not own this site. Hiro is your boss, and you simply don't get that.

>>410430
They really didn't like getting called out like that

>>410461
This just shows how much the mods seem to hate Hiro. They LOVE moot to death because moot was their friend and buddy. The mods don't get it: moot no longer owns this place, and yet they think that doesn't matter

>>410470
We've tried before, but the mods delete anything telling people to go to /qa/. They do not want people coming here. The only good thing is Hiro seems to like /qa/ enough that he stops by every now and then. He needs an e-mail though. His twitter isn't enough

>>410476
>He needs an e-mail though

I'm certain the mods are discouraging contact between him and the user base under the guise that "it's just how 4chan" is.

Ideally, mod and admin posts would be so commonplace that they wouldn't derail every thread they're in and there'd be open communication between staff and users.

This thread is hilarious.
These people aren't serious, are they?

>>410514
I like how people think that if only hiro had an 4chan email address he would read and respond to all of his mail, and fire all the moderators that people people complain about.

>>410514
Yes mod we are

>>410510
Apparently his Internet is shit and he's been using his phone as of late as well

>>410544
>mod
Every time.
Every time someone calls me a mod, I crack up.

>>410546
Probably cause only mods and janitors defend the mods. See the deleted posts in this thread?

>>410510
Mods already back stabbed him twice, he must have some distrust of then

>>410549
>Mods already back stabbed him twice

what are you even talking about?

t. mod posting as anon :^)

>>410548
You know, not everyone hates the mods. Some of us can see them as people, and not just ban machines. I will say that some things take the mods and janitors far too long to catch on to.

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hay guise wats going on in this thread?

Holy fuck these deleted posts

>>410568
Most do, and with good reasons. The shit they tried to pull on here and with Hiro warrants enough of a possible firing of a few of them

>>410658
Most of the time I see someone hate the mods is when they goof up without understanding the rules, and get banned for it. The only strange case is the people that claim they were banned for reporting porn on /tv/. But I don't quite remember seeing any screencaps of the bans themselves, and on top of that, they could be edits anyway. I always take every screencap with a few grains of salt. It's only fair to be like this on 4chan. Some people here will go out of their way just to make one person upset.

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This count as an overstep?

>>411038
IT'S A CONSPIRACY

Congratulations to everyone who saved this thread from the shitposters.

>>411205
Congrats to the mods you mean for trying to censor people

>>411316
>implying there was ever free speech here

>>410065
It is the only place we can actually talk about this shit. What with meta talk not allowed everywhere else.

>only board that's allowed to criticize the mods
>allowed to be spammed for over an hour until every thread is pushed off the board

>>411497
>>only board that's allowed to criticize the mods
It isn't

>>411498
What other boards are allowed to criticize the mods?

>>411502
There isn't a board for that. /q/ doesn't exist anymore. 4chan isn't a website to complain about administration. The only board you could technically do this on is /b/, but even then the mods have the full rights to double ban you for the fun of it.

>>411504
And yet /qa/ is

I'm sorry it triggers you so much that people are allowed to talk about how much they hate the mods here, but that's what it's here for.

If you don't like it, I suggest you leave. You obviously don't like this board and we're not going anywhere.

>>411515
>but that's what it's here for
You sure have your head far up your arse, don't you?

>>411517
>I don't have any argument so I'm just going to shitpost

Here's your (You) friend. ;^)

>>411518
Coming from the anti-mod shitposter that's kinda funny to hear, faglord

Both the mod haters and ass lickers are awfully obnoxious people. Can you guys please stop shitposting? Can this thread finally be deleted plox?

>>411522
I think the asslickers are worse. Sycophants are always pathetic people, and they never stop crying about Reddit.

>>411559
Reddit invaded numerous boards and turned them into shitposting hellholes, all while mods did nothing

>>411522
>>411559
In any event, more transparency with the Mods would be welcome, considering a good deal of the shit-flinging is the result of poor to non-existent information.

>>411566
But again they don't want to talk to us. I'm actually starting to think it's best to begin deleting certain boards on here, like /lit/ and /tv/. Anything that is considered a shit board or a board that is nothing but shitposting should be deleted.

Mods here simply only moderate boards they personally like.

>>411562
Reddit never invaded, just like /pol/ never invaded. It's just another cultural shift. If you'd been here for long enough you'd have seen it happen before.

I admit the mods are doing a shittastic job, but it's not Reddit that is the problem. It's just shitty posters in general.

>>411572
If you consider this a culture shift then 4chan is fucked. This is shitposting to it's highest degree what's happening. Many of the invaders came from places like Facebook, Reddit, and Tumblr after things like The Fappening and GamerGate.

This is not a culture shift, this is flat out invasion by people who no nothing about 4chan history and view this place as nothing but a place to shitpost in

>>411572
Some boards at this point need to go. A lot of the normie boards only came into existence after 2008, the year moot stopped caring about this place.

>>411572
>reddit never invaded

But this IS the culture shift. It's a bit of a simplistic view, because a lot of other things are going too, but 4chan right now is considered a reddit 2.0 where you're able to shitpost without getting downvoted.

>>411594
And that is a major fucking problem. We don't need this many boards now. So many of them need to go, and Hiro needs to understand that. I'm sure the mods want some of these boards gone to. We don't need an outdoors board or a literature board. You can go to other forums and get better results. It's basically unneeded

>>411598
Personally, I don't think it's a problem that there are so many boards. The comparison with reddit is useless, because the ultimate decision to make a new board is still made by Hiro and not by the users. It's still relatively authoritarian compared to reddit. I think it helps against the shitposting somewhat, because by splitting up boards, there is more space to talk about the stuff you want to talk about, without it getting disrupted by trolls who don't want anything to do with it.

>>411601
It doesn't stop shitposting at all. In fact it's getting worse and worse on here. We have too many boards for things 4chan was never supposed to be about. This board should be focused on nerd and weeb culture and that only. Sure deleting normie boards would piss people off, but this place was not made for normies

>>411598
Typical weeaboo opinion. How about we delete some weeb-boards instead? There's a board just for anime wallpapers, time to delete that one.

>>411671
How about we delete the boards no one uses and no one wanted to begin with?

>>411664
>we have too many boards for things 4chan was never supposed to be about

4chan became much more than what it was 'supposed' to be. Memes and invasions became important aspects of 4chan culture too.

If I recall correctly, moot also liked these additional aspects, as long as it didn't go out of control. He said several times 2007 was 4chan's best year. He never understood the point of invasions, and he said it was shitting up /b/, but he used to participate in the more mild invasions like Habbo hotel himself.

That said, I agree that 4chan's filled with plebs who shouldn't be here. But I don't think there's something that can be done about this right now. People would whine about muh sekret klub and muh free speech, and they're actually right, because free speech is indeed important for this community. Some people get banned, and some things get removed, but overall this is a free website. Removing certain boards won't be the solution.

They'll just grow tired of it one day. As long as the weeb boards are moderated well to keep them out, there are no real reasons to complain.

>>411720
I hate to say something I know the mods/janitors love to use, but using 4chan is a privilege, not a right. Back in 2007 we didn't have over 70 different boards on here. Deleting these boards is not silencing free speech, its simply put, to get rid of boards no one fucking wants, uses, or boards that are beyond repair. People will bitch and whine all they want, but they known they can go somewhere else and get better info for what they like. And I am sure the mods will agree with that statement.

The mods cannot moderate over 70 different boards. Nor can the janitors. It just cannot be done. Back on 2ch Hiro had an entire team of mods, but that's because 2ch was Japanese only and was somewhat slower than 4chan was, thus it worked out. But this place isn't Japan only, its worldwide.

As for the plebs, something has to be done right now. 2015 was the worst year 4chan has ever had, and it was because of the invasion of plebs and normies thanks to GamerGate and The Fappening. Hiro needs to get the users and moot want this place to be for anime, video games, and nerd shit again. We don't want boards no one is going to use or can you can just go somewhere else and get better info on something. Think about it, do we really need an anime wallpaper board? An outdoors board? A fashion board? An LGBT board? No we don't. We never needed them

>>411729

>The mods cannot moderate over 70 different boards. Nor can the janitors

Shit, I doubt they could even mod a single one.

>>411744
No they can moderate, just the ones they like personally like /a/. Other boards like /v/ they don't care about and boards like /tv/ in which they seemingly allow shitposting to happen/ /vp/ was suffering from this, /ck/ is, /lit/ currently is right now, and other boards as well. Too many boards+Lack of good moderators+Corrupt mods+swaglord=Major fucking problems

>>411729
4chan's still a free website compared to most others on the surface web, which is actually why nothing can be done to get rid of them.

Hiro could implement a paywall, but moot would have never wanted his website to be like SA. It'd be as futile as Trump's wall.

Banning them doesn't do anything either, due to dynamic IPs. It won't stop the porn on /b/, and it won't stop the normalfags from shitting up boards with their pleb tastes and irrelevant ego.

A lot of the new boards were added exactly because 4chan got flooded by these kind of users: /soc/, /pol/, /adv/, /mlp/, etc. They function as containment boards. /r9k/ was meant to escape from the newfags on /b/, and [s4s] functions as an ironic /b/ replacement for meme culture.

Meanwhile, moot grew out of anime, so he added boards that catered to other interests as well: /fit/, /gd/, /out/, /fa/, /ck/, etc. Some of them could be deleted but I don't see why they should be.

Instead, they could just hire more mods and janitors to moderate them.

>>411761
Hiro has every right to delete things. Just like sadly NeoGaf can delete and ban topics that trigger them. 4chan is not gonna get sued because someone deleted their favorite board. Hiro owns it and can do whatever he wants with it.

I agree we need more mods and janitors, but 70 boards is just insane. In the glory years of 4chan we didn't have that many. Some containment boards are no long needed though. Some normie boards can stay like /sp/ and /fit/ since they don't harm anyone. /ck/ is turning into shit though along with /lit/

>>411761
>Meanwhile, moot grew out of anime, so he added boards that catered to other interests as well
And moot in his farewell speech kind of regretted doing that. He wants 4chan to go back to being an anime centric place again for nerds. 2008 was where it all went downhill. This was around the time moot stopped caring

>>409480
>66% of all posts on /qa/ are mods posting anonymously without a trip

Gee, if only there were some way to know for sure.

Mods should be forced to use their trips when posting on /qa/. I mean why not? The only drawback is that they might actually be held accountable for the things they say and do.

>>411795
Because the mods will fight that tooth and nail. They'll make up some excuse to Hiro about why it would be bad

If its such a fucking issue for the mods do to their jobs then why not go ask Hiro if they can delete some boards they no longer feel are necessary for the site?

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I'm not a mod and I don't think mods are that bad. I even get banned a lot for stupid shit, but maybe half the time I deserve it.

I think part of the perception problem is that people don't know how many total mods there are and how many of those are 'on duty' and paying attention to the site at any given time.

>>411863
Its too many boards plus the mods being idiots that are the main issues. They simply put, refuse to talk or communicate with us

>>411795
Because they don't fucking post here and those people just have tinfoil hats with giant us vs them mentality

>>411867
>They simply put, refuse to talk or communicate with us
Which doesn't help any of the speculation, as their silence only fuels the rumor mills further.

>>411892

replying doesnt help much either tho :^/

>>411892
It makes things worse. When you look at some of the shit that got deleted in this thread, it goes to show you how much the mods hate being called out and how much disdain they have for us.

>>411897
Or just tell them to make a thread and talk to us. But I guess that's too hard for those mods huh?

>>411904
i got banned in this ITT

>>>/pol/61026864

Swaglord is trying to be a faggot here

>>>/pol/61028249

even more proof of mod abuse

>>>/pol/61029022

swaglord doing it yet again

>>411920
epic

>>411924
imposter

>>411943
>>411943
lol if u were real swaglord u would know that it's impossible to be an imposter swaglord as long as ur #nice :^)

>>411953
not me. impersonation = crime

>>409473
>From leaked IRC logs that proved you were not only out of touch
>taking fanfiction serious
>>>/8gag/
>>>/feedback/
>>>/q/

>>412021
Except even moot said they were real