So by taking a look at >>407247 we can all assume none of you are happy a lot of people hate your guts right now. From leaked IRC logs that proved you were not only out of touch, but that you hated the userbase and were purposely trying to ruin boards like /tv/. Then you went ahead and ruined /d/ and killed its userbase. Then you fail to moderate /v/ and now its an unusable cesspool of underage faggots, and the only time you actually bother to moderate is to delete threads you don't like or ban people shitting on Nintendo. You have a mod named swaglord running around with his personal army trying to raid /qa/ and derail threads. Then you have clear biases towards certain boards and just refuse outright to moderate others. Face it mods, you have fucked up so many times already the userbase that once actually liked you is sick of you.
But its not all your fault. We have underage shitposters who don't use the report feature enough, meaning no one is reporting the shitposts. But even so, threads that have been reported that clearly violate the rules and have illegal content in it don't' get delete fast enough. In fact I've seen threads with porn in them on blue boards that don't get deleted at all, like on /v/ and /tv/ for instance. I get it, maybe there isn't enough of you to go around thanks to global moderation and shit, and maybe you do need more help moderating the boards.
But lets face it, you have not been interacting with the userbase trying to at least fix the site and make improvements with Hiro and us. You constantly ignore us, you don't even bother with the feedback feature, and you seem to live in your own world separate from 4chan. This isn't SA anymore, you are not goon mods despite some of you coming from SA.
The point is, the userbase wants to actually legit talk to you, but YOU must understand why people are pissed off at you right now. If you continue to keep up the way you have been moderating all of last year and after GamerGate, people will leave this site more and more, and people will continue to hate you. We are asking, as users, for more dialogue from you. We want open channels. We want you to do your jobs and talk with the userbase. Understand how we feel about the shitposting from Reddit invaders and the onslaught of underage faggots thinking 4chan is for funposting.
You want to stop hating us like you clearly do? Then talk to us for once and stop acting like you're above us
90% of leaked IRC logs are fake and 66% of all posts on /qa/ are mods posting anonymously without a trip.
Half the time you are mad at mods you really should be mad at janitors. Stop being so goddamn paranoid.
The mods are in charge of the janitors though, They could tell them to stop goofing off and do the job they do for free. However again we don't have enough mods, and global moderation isn't helping matters
>This isn't SA anymore, you are not goon mods despite some of you coming from SA.
These mods didn't come from SA. All of the original mods are gone having either left over the years, fired like W.T. Snacks, fired after disagreements over the GG issue, or stepped down on their own accord after moot wanted people to provide ID in order to be a mod/janitor. These mods are from around 2008 or maybe a bit before, and most probably afterwards since they were janitors at the time and then got bumped up after all of the mods left.
So, these aren't goon mods, at least not goons who were around on SA at the same time as moot and joined when he first made the site. A good portion of the userbase has been here longer than the current mod team.
>But lets face it, you have not been interacting with the userbase trying to at least fix the site and make improvements with Hiro and us. You constantly ignore us, you don't even bother with the feedback feature, and you seem to live in your own world separate from 4chan.
>The point is, the userbase wants to actually legit talk to you, but YOU must understand why people are pissed off at you right now.
> We are asking, as users, for more dialogue from you. We want open channels. We want you to do your jobs and talk with the userbase.
While I might not agree with where the OP is coming from, I completely agree that we need more communication between the Mods and the Userbase...
...Hell, I'm permabanned from the IRC channel just because I was trying to discuss a ban with whatever Mod I could get in touch with.
>...Hell, I'm permabanned from the IRC channel just because I was trying to discuss a ban with whatever Mod I could get in touch with.
Because it says right at the top of the IRC that you're supposed to use the appeal function since they're not discussing bans anymore on IRC. They have to circlejerk with their sycophants now, but they do give a pretty big heads up to just not ask about it there. If you can't follow a simple instruction, you deserve it.
And now that permabans don't even exist anymore, the longest you'll ever be banned is 30 days. So, just appeal it and deal with it.
"The use of 4chan is a privilege, not a right."
Y'all need to remember that 4chan isn't a democracy. If you don't like something here, and the rules don't support what you want done, then you're going to have a hard time. Then again...even if the rules do support what you want you're still going to have a hard time. Eh, if the rules changed in a way I couldn't agree with, I'd blow this popsicle stand.
So then they can fucking leave. Get out then. Go somewhere else. Move on with your life like moot did.
We're gonna keep bitching at these mods and were gonna keep bringing it up to Hiro over and over again so they better get fucking used to it. People here fucking hate them, and for good reasons
Hiro needs to fucking tell them to cut their bullshit out. Hiro wants to listen to us? He wants this site to be for the users and not the mods? Then he needs to listen to people when we say we hate the moderation on here
>Moot always said he didn't care if he chased people off because more people would come. The new mods live by that.
Exactly. Nothing changed. You'll keep bitching and false-flagging, and 4chan will keep being alive and well, unlike other memetic offsprings sites.
To a mod this is totally ok. There is nothing wrong about this to the mods. You mods hate /tv/ right? So tell Hiro you want it gone. Why don't you just do that already? You fucking hate the board and moot hated it to.
While I believe there is tons of issues with moderation, mod complainers really are the fucking worst and most annoying
>the mods dont care about the userbase
>they hate everyone
>they only want to powertrip
>they are just goons
>they suck moots dick
>everyone who says anything positive about moot or the mods is either a mod or janny
>issues that are janny faults is the fault of the mods
>i am in no way to blame for any of the problems or any of the users
>there was nothing wrong with gg
>4chan should cater to my needs
>the mods werent always fags
>4chan posting is a right
>4chan is about free speech
>irc logs that came around the time ggniggers were running around looking for a reason to dislike moot just so happened to be leaked and are 100% truth there is no way any of it could be false
>the dont complain about moderation rule exist because they are pussies who dont like complaints rather than because newfags are annoying and if it wasnt there every second post would be people screaming about literally nothing
>they are scared of /qa/
>they deleted /q/ because they were scared of it rather than it being because /q/ was a fucking horrible idea that caused more harm then good
Seriously, some of the mods really do need to be fucking offed, but you guys are just as fucking annoying, if not worse. You are just tinfoil retards making assumptions and baseless claims to the extreme. You aren't fucking helping anything, you are just headless chickens running around screaming about garbage making everything worse
chan is about free speech
This is the dumbest myth. If you reading this believe that 4chan is about free speech, realize now that you are mistaken. It's a privately owned website and has no legal nor stated protection of freedom of speech.
I've been blocked for about 5 months from making regular posts on a majority of the boards and I know I didn't do anything wrong. I sent feedback a message every few days but every other time it seems like I get blocked from another board.
>all these cowardly, samefagging mods ITT
You aren't subtle lads.
We know exactly what you're doing.
He's right, you smug faggot.
Just take a look at /qa/; virtually all of the threads plate just spam or (valid) complaints about how shitty the mods are.
Which is not unsurprising, when you actively try to destroy the boards you're supposed to moderate.
I don't like to complain, but some of the bans handed out by them just seem stupid. It can just seem really erratic at times, especially when you've seen other users do the same thing and seemingly not get in trouble.
Sometimes you get reported. Sometimes you don't. Sometimes a mod or janitor sees your post, sometimes they don't. That other guy that didn't get banned when you did? There has probably been a few times that guy thought the same thing you're thinking.
I STILL can't understand how people get banned on 4chan. I mean, what the heck are people posting that gets them banned? How do you even get banned on a website like 4chan? I would have to go out of my way to get banned here.
>I STILL can't understand how people get banned on 4chan.
Some get banned for shitposting for posting content that goes against the rules. Sometimes they get hit for minor or weird things, like asking a slightly off-topic question, , or just getting on the bad side of some people.
I still don't get it. Once in a wile, I will post things that are almost completely off-topic and hardly related to the board. But I usually go to a board that is about what I want to talk about at the time. It must be because I don't get on people's bad sides very often when I do post off-topic stuff. It's not like I make threads for off-topic discussion anyway. I'll hop into a thread and post something off-topic that doesn't dominate the thread, and doesn't make anyone's panties get in a twist. Sometimes, I almost want to try to get banned, but I just can't do it. I'm not the kind of person that will go out of my way post something so off-topic, that it will derail an entire thread and get me banned for it. Though, I will post something on-topic that does make people upset. But that's how opinions work.
>90% of leaked IRC logs are fake
1. they aren't
2. 10% of the content in those logs are enough to tell the userbase that mods and m00t are/were the most negative aspect of the way this site operates as a whole.
>and 66% of all posts on /qa/ are mods posting anonymously without a trip.
>Stop being so goddamn paranoid.
You have to understand this, mod-cunt, is that this entire site is only able to generate revenue because of US, not you. Without US, the site is NOTHING.
So you better start fucking listening and learning your place because Hiro only cares about making money off the site and if he wants more of that, he is going to need more people and less shitposting spam that is entirely useless to advertisers and companies interested in human data.
>I STILL can't understand how people get banned on 4chan.
It's really easy if you use legacy boards. There are certain threads on /a/, for example, which are routinely monitored by the a T/u/mblr faggot mod who has banned me on several occasions for "shit outside of /b/" when telling a couple of retards to go back to /u/ and that they aren't welcome with their heterosexual hatred spam they just can't help but bring up in thread which attract yurifags.
It's really blatant at times when he is actively shaping a thread; it's like these retards aren't aware that we can see every post they delete.
Hiding behind shitty "rules" won't protect you, you fucking spastic.
Once Hiro catches on to the negative impact you and the rest of the shitty hotpocketeers are having on the site, you will be removed.
You know this more than anyone else, that's why you're shitting up these threads as an attempt to make it harder for hiro to see without drawing too much attention with blatant action.
>all these faggots decrying how mods are killing the site and how it's making 4chan lose its userbase
that would be a dream come true
I gotta fucking laugh when everyone is thinking /v/ is shit because of the lack of moderation, and not because it's fucking huge. Reducing the site userbase would only improve discussion, as all the fuckers who do nothing but shitpost to get those precious replies, and treat 4chan as nothing else but a glorified chatroom with pictures would finally fuck off.
But we all know that won't happen, and 4chan will keep increasing in popularity until it's completely devoid of the original userbase.
They should get rid of r/4chan, because it's bringing in the most shitposters, no doubt about it. Goobergate is a reddit thing.
But considering reddit's obession with it, they'd just make a new one or use r/classic4chan instead.
fucking really mods? Really? All we wanted was for you to come in here and talk to us. Instead now you're deleting anything that really triggers you. Worse, you're deleting anything that dares to say bad things about your buddy moot, who I must remind you does not own this site. Hiro is your boss, and you simply don't get that.
They really didn't like getting called out like that
This just shows how much the mods seem to hate Hiro. They LOVE moot to death because moot was their friend and buddy. The mods don't get it: moot no longer owns this place, and yet they think that doesn't matter
We've tried before, but the mods delete anything telling people to go to /qa/. They do not want people coming here. The only good thing is Hiro seems to like /qa/ enough that he stops by every now and then. He needs an e-mail though. His twitter isn't enough
>He needs an e-mail though
I'm certain the mods are discouraging contact between him and the user base under the guise that "it's just how 4chan" is.
Ideally, mod and admin posts would be so commonplace that they wouldn't derail every thread they're in and there'd be open communication between staff and users.
You know, not everyone hates the mods. Some of us can see them as people, and not just ban machines. I will say that some things take the mods and janitors far too long to catch on to.
Most of the time I see someone hate the mods is when they goof up without understanding the rules, and get banned for it. The only strange case is the people that claim they were banned for reporting porn on /tv/. But I don't quite remember seeing any screencaps of the bans themselves, and on top of that, they could be edits anyway. I always take every screencap with a few grains of salt. It's only fair to be like this on 4chan. Some people here will go out of their way just to make one person upset.
There isn't a board for that. /q/ doesn't exist anymore. 4chan isn't a website to complain about administration. The only board you could technically do this on is /b/, but even then the mods have the full rights to double ban you for the fun of it.
And yet /qa/ is
I'm sorry it triggers you so much that people are allowed to talk about how much they hate the mods here, but that's what it's here for.
If you don't like it, I suggest you leave. You obviously don't like this board and we're not going anywhere.
But again they don't want to talk to us. I'm actually starting to think it's best to begin deleting certain boards on here, like /lit/ and /tv/. Anything that is considered a shit board or a board that is nothing but shitposting should be deleted.
Mods here simply only moderate boards they personally like.
Reddit never invaded, just like /pol/ never invaded. It's just another cultural shift. If you'd been here for long enough you'd have seen it happen before.
I admit the mods are doing a shittastic job, but it's not Reddit that is the problem. It's just shitty posters in general.
If you consider this a culture shift then 4chan is fucked. This is shitposting to it's highest degree what's happening. Many of the invaders came from places like Facebook, Reddit, and Tumblr after things like The Fappening and GamerGate.
This is not a culture shift, this is flat out invasion by people who no nothing about 4chan history and view this place as nothing but a place to shitpost in
>reddit never invaded
But this IS the culture shift. It's a bit of a simplistic view, because a lot of other things are going too, but 4chan right now is considered a reddit 2.0 where you're able to shitpost without getting downvoted.
And that is a major fucking problem. We don't need this many boards now. So many of them need to go, and Hiro needs to understand that. I'm sure the mods want some of these boards gone to. We don't need an outdoors board or a literature board. You can go to other forums and get better results. It's basically unneeded
Personally, I don't think it's a problem that there are so many boards. The comparison with reddit is useless, because the ultimate decision to make a new board is still made by Hiro and not by the users. It's still relatively authoritarian compared to reddit. I think it helps against the shitposting somewhat, because by splitting up boards, there is more space to talk about the stuff you want to talk about, without it getting disrupted by trolls who don't want anything to do with it.
It doesn't stop shitposting at all. In fact it's getting worse and worse on here. We have too many boards for things 4chan was never supposed to be about. This board should be focused on nerd and weeb culture and that only. Sure deleting normie boards would piss people off, but this place was not made for normies
>we have too many boards for things 4chan was never supposed to be about
4chan became much more than what it was 'supposed' to be. Memes and invasions became important aspects of 4chan culture too.
If I recall correctly, moot also liked these additional aspects, as long as it didn't go out of control. He said several times 2007 was 4chan's best year. He never understood the point of invasions, and he said it was shitting up /b/, but he used to participate in the more mild invasions like Habbo hotel himself.
That said, I agree that 4chan's filled with plebs who shouldn't be here. But I don't think there's something that can be done about this right now. People would whine about muh sekret klub and muh free speech, and they're actually right, because free speech is indeed important for this community. Some people get banned, and some things get removed, but overall this is a free website. Removing certain boards won't be the solution.
They'll just grow tired of it one day. As long as the weeb boards are moderated well to keep them out, there are no real reasons to complain.
I hate to say something I know the mods/janitors love to use, but using 4chan is a privilege, not a right. Back in 2007 we didn't have over 70 different boards on here. Deleting these boards is not silencing free speech, its simply put, to get rid of boards no one fucking wants, uses, or boards that are beyond repair. People will bitch and whine all they want, but they known they can go somewhere else and get better info for what they like. And I am sure the mods will agree with that statement.
The mods cannot moderate over 70 different boards. Nor can the janitors. It just cannot be done. Back on 2ch Hiro had an entire team of mods, but that's because 2ch was Japanese only and was somewhat slower than 4chan was, thus it worked out. But this place isn't Japan only, its worldwide.
As for the plebs, something has to be done right now. 2015 was the worst year 4chan has ever had, and it was because of the invasion of plebs and normies thanks to GamerGate and The Fappening. Hiro needs to get the users and moot want this place to be for anime, video games, and nerd shit again. We don't want boards no one is going to use or can you can just go somewhere else and get better info on something. Think about it, do we really need an anime wallpaper board? An outdoors board? A fashion board? An LGBT board? No we don't. We never needed them
No they can moderate, just the ones they like personally like /a/. Other boards like /v/ they don't care about and boards like /tv/ in which they seemingly allow shitposting to happen/ /vp/ was suffering from this, /ck/ is, /lit/ currently is right now, and other boards as well. Too many boards+Lack of good moderators+Corrupt mods+swaglord=Major fucking problems
4chan's still a free website compared to most others on the surface web, which is actually why nothing can be done to get rid of them.
Hiro could implement a paywall, but moot would have never wanted his website to be like SA. It'd be as futile as Trump's wall.
Banning them doesn't do anything either, due to dynamic IPs. It won't stop the porn on /b/, and it won't stop the normalfags from shitting up boards with their pleb tastes and irrelevant ego.
A lot of the new boards were added exactly because 4chan got flooded by these kind of users: /soc/, /pol/, /adv/, /mlp/, etc. They function as containment boards. /r9k/ was meant to escape from the newfags on /b/, and [s4s] functions as an ironic /b/ replacement for meme culture.
Meanwhile, moot grew out of anime, so he added boards that catered to other interests as well: /fit/, /gd/, /out/, /fa/, /ck/, etc. Some of them could be deleted but I don't see why they should be.
Instead, they could just hire more mods and janitors to moderate them.
Hiro has every right to delete things. Just like sadly NeoGaf can delete and ban topics that trigger them. 4chan is not gonna get sued because someone deleted their favorite board. Hiro owns it and can do whatever he wants with it.
I agree we need more mods and janitors, but 70 boards is just insane. In the glory years of 4chan we didn't have that many. Some containment boards are no long needed though. Some normie boards can stay like /sp/ and /fit/ since they don't harm anyone. /ck/ is turning into shit though along with /lit/
>Meanwhile, moot grew out of anime, so he added boards that catered to other interests as well
And moot in his farewell speech kind of regretted doing that. He wants 4chan to go back to being an anime centric place again for nerds. 2008 was where it all went downhill. This was around the time moot stopped caring
>66% of all posts on /qa/ are mods posting anonymously without a trip
Gee, if only there were some way to know for sure.
Mods should be forced to use their trips when posting on /qa/. I mean why not? The only drawback is that they might actually be held accountable for the things they say and do.
I'm not a mod and I don't think mods are that bad. I even get banned a lot for stupid shit, but maybe half the time I deserve it.
I think part of the perception problem is that people don't know how many total mods there are and how many of those are 'on duty' and paying attention to the site at any given time.
It makes things worse. When you look at some of the shit that got deleted in this thread, it goes to show you how much the mods hate being called out and how much disdain they have for us.
Or just tell them to make a thread and talk to us. But I guess that's too hard for those mods huh?