/v/ Splitt Request HIRO PLEASE NOTICE US

Didn't people want an eatern /v/ for japsie games or something?

>>396591
Why not just post about it in >>>/trash/, then you can have clickbait journalism articles say, " those 4chan >>>/trash/ posters are at it again >:{}!", and then you can finally save gaming with meme magic. Or just buy the games you want to play and play them.

>>396591
>/a/ slowly found its indentity back removing all that it was not (mechas, cute, hentai, ecchi, alternative, culture)

Just as a historical note, /h/, /d/, /c/, and /e/ are all older than /a/.

>make a thread simple based on simple facts like game "x" or console "y" had great sales or was a bust
>you have been banned for participating or instigating a flamewar

Nice to know we can't talk about video games on the video game board.

>>396591
>/a/ slowly found its indentity
>back removing all that it was not (mechas, cute, hentai, ecchi, alternative, culture)
Holy shit you are stupid

>>396604
I dont know if theres a limit of threads that can be thrown into /thrash/ but it would seem they prefer to use it to clean /mlp/ and /d/ more than /v/. Think of this new board as /thrashv/

>>396640
Sure buddy

I liked the idea of a /9697/ board made only for video games made in the years 1996 and 1997

>>396591
Right idea. Wrong execution.

The core issue with /v/ is the fact the board is overwhelmingly PC yet all the daily happenings involve consoles. There's nothing wrong with discussing industry shit so long as it's not e-celeb related (maybe you're not saying the two are mutually exclusive, I don't know).

The change that needs to happen is a PC gaming board and with that kill /vg/ as well. It will solve most of /v/'s issues which involve mindless trolling and bait thread instead of actual discussion. People talking about shit you don't personally prefer is hardly the issue.

>>396597
At first yes, but people realized it was a mistake in the end.

This idea is clearly the most sound and the best idea we have to save /v/. A /metav/ COULD work, but I have my concerns about it becoming a toxic waste dump

>>396922
PC gaming is a nuisance to the general peace of /v/ but I feel it's not as urgent as the /metav/ board. After all, even if anoying as fuck, it's still somwehat video games, whereas discussion of the industry (not necesarely e-celebs) could be arguibly "no video games" and promptly removed. Also, since the board would be focused on culture too, that would include "banter", so those who still want to make their dumb "NEVER EVER" threads would find a place there.

>>396611
But not /m/ or /jp/. Let that sink in.

>>397075
But the question with /metav/ would simply be: Will it just turn into a shittier version of current /v/? Would it become a breeding ground for r/4chan and r/games?

>>397113
>Will it just turn into a shittier version of current /v/?
Unlikely. Having a board on its own would nulify a lot of the perceived negativity or "cancerocity" of the topic, since it's usually persued as a way to achieve shitposting. It would be like trying to bait /s4s/.
>Would it become a breeding ground for r/4chan and r/games?
I think they're still busy with /vg/. Nah, but in all seriousness, I'm not concerned on what the Reddit community might or might not do. We'll fend them off when they get too comfy like we always have.

scrap /vp/ and make it /vj/

This "Video Game Culture" board is just a thinly-veiled excuse to facilitate GamerGate nonsense using 4chan as a platform. Fuck off.

>>397135
>This "Video Game Culture" board is just a thinly-veiled excuse to facilitate GamerGate nonsense using 4chan as a platform
Is GamerGate even about video games anymore? No, on topic or not, GamerGate is just not allowed in 4chan period. I'm sure it would be banned from /metav/ too.

>>397144
GamerGate IS about video games. Its about talking about how video game journalism and SJW's have infested the video game world and ruined it.

Many video game "journalists" are big time supporters of SJW causes. Kotaku, IGN, Gamespot, and several others are great examples.

The Xenoblade X controversy wasn't just about them censoring the 13 year old good and removing the boob slider, but it was that the localization team removed critical story elements for no reason other than that they thought it would trigger little kids and their parents

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>>397158
>gamergate is about video game journalism

>>397162
If you don't have anything to say, don't fucking post.

>>397158
Is gamergate still going on? Fucking hell, get a life.

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>>397181
you sure are mad

>>397192
You sure are retarded.

>>397188
Oh, that is so ironic.

>>397158
>Many video game "journalists" are big time supporters of SJW causes. Kotaku, IGN, Gamespot, and several others are great examples.

So? What the hell does that have to do with ethics?

>>397203
You sure are mad and retarded.

>>397209
You sure are underage.

>>397210
You sure are virgin.

>>397213
Oh wow, you really are.

>>397218
Took you long enough to come up with that one boy. You felt a little anxious back there son? Struck too close home?

>>397219
Lol, you're having a stroke because someone doesn't live on 4chan like you.

>>397222
Hehe alright buddy, don't stress out, it will happen eventually bro, just don't lose hope.

>>397226
Lol. Just lol.

This thread is like a mini-/v/

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>>397122
>/vj/
l-lewd

>>396597
If by "people wanted an eastern /v/" you mean "A couple /a/ users wanted another board to shit all over" then yes.

>>396632
>The mods don't like it when I break the rules
Those kinds of threads end up as pointless shitposting flamewars. In a perfect world they wouldn't be a problem, but I don't think 4chan is mature enough to handle that kind of thing.

>>397158
>>397162
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>>397209
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>>397228
Well that was certainly a useful, necessary, and enlightening exchange. I sure am glad that /qa/ has such intellectual titans as yourselves browsing it.

>>397252
Funny thing is that the fedora guy is not even me, I'm responsible for only the half of the last 8 comments.

1. Discussion of video-games
2. Discussion of devs (Kojima, Molyneux, etc.)

If the staff were consistent, this is what should be allowed. Everything else should be banned. MAYBE allow criticism videos, like matthewmatosis, but most of them always lead to discussion of the person's personality. Honestly, can't think of a game-critic, besides matthew, whose threads don't turn into personality worship/hate.

I just want consistency.

>>397252
There's nothing wrong with the first post in that barrage of posts you quoted. It's just that a couple of mentally retarded individuals decided to fling feces at each other afterwards.

>>396591
>>>/trash/

>>397312
That's one of the main problems with /v/ right now: Shit like this happens always on there.

>>396591
A "video game culture" board would be fucking stupid.

>>397370
Which is why a /metav/ could possibly work out well enough. Granted it'll be shortened to /mv/, but it'll still work out

>>397381
How about /trash/, it sounds like it would work better

>video game culture
>video games
>culture
You call bored, angry, horny, screaming teenagers with no self-control, a culture? What a joke.

>>397389
No /metav/ is better and makes more sense

>>397370
I agree, that's why I included that in the OP.
>>397389
Sounds like a lot of work to be honest. If you're moving it to other board because you don't like it, migh as well move it to a board were they can settle and leave you alone, don't you think?

>>397412
and a couple of these bored, angry, horny, screaming teenagers want a exclusive board to talk about activism and game industry.

How about /mettav/: You can only post about Mettaton.

>>397468
>>397469
No, putting it in the /trash/ makes more sense because almost every discussion about it is retarded and just shitposting. We don't need entire boards dedicated to fucking GG, complaining about sjws, e-celebs, twitter screencaps and people screaming about nothing. The thread moving feature and /trash/ was added for a reason, and this is the perfect thing for it. Culture and industry discussion has never been needed and discussion on these topics have never been reasonable or not shitposting. It goes where it belongs

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>>397158
>actually, it is about ethics in videogame journalism
made me sage
Also any boardsplits would just lighten the fire further. The moderation team needs a better schedule to not have downtimes of people going freely rampant.

>>397477
Look I get that you hae all that kind of topics but your aversion to these topics isn't healthy. Besides, you're no looking at the larger picture: If you have a board for those topics you would have a very legitimate and definitive reason to no have these kind of threads in /v/.

>>397819
He's a shitposter that hates GamerGate for whatever stupid reason. He's probably a moot loyalist

>>397853
If he were, he would be interesed in having a video games only board at last, so moot's effort weren't in vain.

>>397819
>you have a board for those topics you would have a very legitimate and definitive reason to no have these kind of threads in /v/.
Still no reason to give it its own board and let it grow. Just send it to the /trash/ were it belongs

thats a stupid fucking idea OP. leave /v/ as it is. honestly having /vr/ as a separate board was too much

>>398172
/thrash/ is populated by furry and ponies, seriously, the mods have better things to do than looking for which thread is vidya enough or not. Its hazzle enough already to start all these "hey my thread got nuked and it was vidya" threads.

>>398232
/trash/ being populated by furries and bronys means fucking nothing. The board is made for /trash/. Knowing what is vidya and isn't is incredibly easy and the only people who are incapable of knowing what is and isn't is shitposters and /v/ermin

>>397158
But you're stupid and moot has said that all GG related discussions are to be banned and Hiro hasn't gone against that yet and you're stupid

>>398323
Hiro probably doesn't even know what GamerGate is

>>398231
Yeah and lets watch /v/ keep getting worse and worse. That's an even better idea!!

>>398241
>Knowing what is vidya and isn't is incredibly easy
Is that why everyone's complaining about off-topic threads staying and on-topic threads being erased? This thread is a symphtom of that issue, we're not just suggesting just cause.
>/v/ermin
There's that word again. Seriously, if you're not even from /v/ stay out of this discussion. I mean, why do you care? Do you really think a new board is going to affect yours? I guess this is normal, everyone freaked out with every new iteration of /v/.

>>398350
>Is that why everyone's complaining about off-topic threads staying and on-topic threads being erased?
That's because people apply the term vidya so fucking loosely, you have e-nigger thread and shitposting there because 'its vidya'. What's video game is fucking simple as hell. It's always been simple and always will be. Stop trying to fucking argue the semantics of something set in stone so you can offtopic shitpost. You have no argument for why garbage should get its own board, rather than being put in the /trash/

>Seriously, if you're not even from /v/ stay out of this discussion. I mean, why do you care
It's almost as if /v/ is the second most traffic heavy board. It's almost as if what occurs on one board affects the other. It's almost as if you tried to fuck with the board it will cause a site-wide wave, regardless of what it is. Everyone gets a fucking opinion on /v/, you stupid idiot. /v/ is so big that whatever you do to it will affect everyone else and all the other boards. I'm not to sit by and let you do retard things that will only increase the amount of retards on the site. Use that stupid thick head of yours and actually think about what effects shit will have on the site and that includes fucking long term as will. Boards splits and especially containment boards, easily have the most negative long term effects for the site on whole. Stop being so fucking ignorant

Every discussion about gaming industry is already banned on /v/ so I don't see the problem we have here.


What I'd do is loosen up the rules. Make /v/ NSFW again, allow porn and r34, allow flamewars, allow blaming consoles/casuals/reddit/PC whatever you like, allow slight off-topic and maymays and so on.
Freedom of speech is much more important than trying to nazi-moderate every single thread. I mean look at 4+4's /v/. They don't delete every single thread that's slightly off-topic and see what happens? People talk about video games. It's not like people would spam /v/ full of off-topic and porn and everything else. And even if they did who gives a shit? It's part of the /v/ culture, they have never actually talked about videos games (up until recently when mods have started to ban every other discussion).

We already have /vg/ for vidya discussion and couple other boards for whatever reason. /v/ is left for screenshot/cosplay/filename/other image-threads (which are shitty because of the single-image limit) and webm-threads (which are shitty because of the 3Mb and no-sound limit). What's left? Single game threads and news. There's no need to start to split the board again.


Or if there is a split, I hope it would be for western/weeaboo/console games. Nowadays 90% of /v/ is full of both weeaboo and consolegames, and for example me and many others who play only on PC and not eastern games have almost no threads to lurk on /v/.

>>398408
>Freedom of speech is much more important
> Make /v/ NSFW again, allow porn and r34, allow flamewars, allow blaming consoles/casuals/reddit/PC whatever you like, allow slight off-topic and maymays and so on.
>It's not like people would spam /v/ full of off-topic and porn and everything else.
>It's part of the /v/ culture, they have never actually talked about videos games (up until recently when mods have started to ban every other discussion).
>We already have /vg/ for vidya discussion and couple other boards for whatever reason. /v/ is left for screenshot/cosplay/filename/other image-threads (which are shitty because of the single-image limit) and webm-threads (which are shitty because of the 3Mb and no-sound limit). What's left? Single game threads and news
You're a fucking idiot. /v/ is already fucking this shit. What you are asking for is /b/ /v/, which is what /v/ already is. It just isn't written in stone. /vg/ isn't for vidya discussion, its for generals. /vg/ should be fucking removed along with every other general on the site. People want to fix /v/, because shitposting isn't board culture, its shitposting.

>Or if there is a split, I hope it would be for western/weeaboo/console games.
Fuck off, 4chan is for weebshit, if you don't like it there, stop using the site

Boards splits and letting /v/ truly become /b/ won't help it or the rest of the site. Especially the later, it will only negatively effect the rest of the site. /v/ needs its userbase killed and no, boards splits don't decrease a boards fucking userbase

>>398425
>/v/ is already fucking this shit
I think the main reason /v/ is so shit is because of all the restrictions. /v/ is just like the kid who does exactly as his being told not to do.

>What you are asking for is /b/ /v/
/b/ was good at one point. I'm not asking /v/ to be full of shitposting, but more like a free place to discuss whatever you like related to vidya. What now /v/ mods are doing is trying to force every single discussion to be 100% vidya. I don't see anymore what makes /v/ different from other vidya forums other than anonymity.

> /vg/ isn't for vidya discussion
It isn't, but that's where all the vidya discussion happens. /v/ discusses only about vidya when there's some new game or so small a game it doesn't make into a /vg/ general. The rest is just news, twitter threads, e-celeb threads, screenshot threads, drawthreads etc.

>/vg/ should be fucking removed
/v/ would be overflooded. There's just too many users for one board.

>le 4chan was originally for weeb content maymay
Yes it was 10 years ago, but times have changed. It's been a long time since majority of 4chan was weeaboos. If you want you can have your weeb-/v/, but what I'm asking is another place for non-weeb content, just like how /mlp/ got its own board.


Though all this discussion is useless because no matter what mods or Hiro do the site is already lost to casuals and normies. We can't change the community back to what is used to be. The best thing people could do is leave this place for normies and start a new site somewhere like in deep web where normies won't wander just like before when they didn't use the Internet at all.

How about a NSFW /v/ specifically for shitposting containment? Normies will love it since they can post their BBC photos without getting banned, and stealth porn threads will go there instead of /v/. Make /v/ strictly about video games, consoles, publishers, news, and events (like evo or e3). If it's non of those, or the thread contains no discussion like Senran Threads, it gets moved to red /v/ instead of deleted. That way everyone's happy.

>>398451
That is what /v/ nowadays is, there just might be one or two porn threads which still gets deleted in the end. You can just hide them and you have the kind of /v/ you described.

>>398451
How about sending it all to /trash/ instead, were it belongs

>>398408
You can leave anytime r/4chan

>>398454
No, I mean shit like e-celeb garbage, what did she mean by this?, threads that are only vaguely related to video games, board culture, console wars, that all gets moved there too
>>398456
Because the shitposter will just make more threads. If they had their own space where they could go all out without having to reset their IP, they'd never come back

If the mods wanted garbage off of /v/ already and onto /trash/ they should just do it. Except they don't

>>398465
>Because the shitposter will just make more threads. If they had their own space where they could go all out without having to reset their IP, they'd never come back
Are you actually fucking stupid? I've threw quite a few fucking insults for the fun of it, but after this, I have to actually believe you are possibly mentally retarded. They won't use the fucking new board, they will continue to use /v/ and get banned, because that's what they fucking want. If you want to fucking give suggestions and try and govern the site, at least have some underfuckingstanding of it. They won't use your /metav/, because that's not what they want. They will continue to main /v/ and will use the /metav/ as extra. Just send the garbage to the /trash/ were it belongs

>>398479
If the mods did their job, and forced them into their little ghetto, it would absolutely work. Horsefuckers eventually went to /mlp/, westernfags eventually went to /aco/ and wrestlingfags eventually went to /asp/. You're the one who doesn't know what they're talking about.

>>398489
No, you are the one who doesn't know what you are talking about. You are trying to compare people who want to discuss something and people who want to shitpost. There is no reason to give the shit its own board as well, as it will only cause it to grow and leak the fuck out everywhere and everything will return to 0. In the /trash/ it won't leak, because its incapable of growing due to the fact the furryfags and ponyfags wouldn't allow that to happen

>make /v/ red

what a terrible idea, threads someone doesn't like will be spammed with porn in order to derail/kill

>>398489
And /aco/ was a literal diaster that killed /d/, and /asp/ turned into a wrestling board and was ruined

>>398479
So then get the mods to use /trash/ correctly and move all talks about GamerGate and SJW's there. But they won't because /v/ mods are the worst

>>398355
>That's because people apply the term vidya so fucking loosely
That's what we've been saying all along. It's the "video game culture" part of the rules that makes everything so ambiguous. See the picture in the OP to know what I'm talking about.
>It's always been simple and always will be. Stop trying to fucking argue the semantics of something set in stone so you can offtopic shitpost
Who says we are trying to shitpost? off-topic discussion can be used to shitpost but it's not necesarelly shitposting, not in the same level of "making me butt angery Xddd lmao" at least
>Everyone gets a fucking opinion on /v/, you stupid idiot. /v/ is so big that whatever you do to it will affect everyone else and all the other boards
What? So the only reason you don't want this board to happen is because you suspect this will somehow affect your board? You don't even say how it will affect it, you're just fearmongering. What do you think will happen? meta threads in your home board? You're really throwing an idea that would fix /v/ under the bus because you feel it could cause some mild discomfort for your home board? How spoiled would you have to be to throw a tantrum for something this trivial? Jesus man...

>>398469
Pretty much this. They did at first, but they quickly gave up since other threads deserved of more attention and time. /metav/ should be able to properly adjust every single one of those pesky "not exacly video games" threads the mods have so much trouble to deal with.

>>398628
/metav/ really should be /trash/ but with video games at this point

>>398496
>You are trying to compare people who want to discuss something and people who want to shitpost
There's that argument again. Listen, vidya culture is considered shitposting because is partially off-topic (even though its protected under the first rule of /v/). If it had its own board, it wouldn't be shitposting anymore. It's like /s4s/, it's a board for shitposting, but if shitposting is all it happens there, is it really shitposting?

>>398630
I'm fine with that, if they called it /thrashv/ it would be pretty much the same.

>>398631
Expect things like censorship, LOL comic's, E-Celebs, GamerGate, and SJW'S are now embedded in /v/. Like I said, make /metav/ or /mv/ and make it /trash/ but with video games.

>>398633
>/trash/ but with video games.
I can get behind this. Hope this becomes the board's slogan.

>>398635
Question is, should it be unlisted like /trash/ is? And if it does go unlisted, then mods need to start making public things on LOL comic threads, GamerGate/SJW threads, censorship threads, things like that and say (THIS POST HAS BEEN MOVED TO /metav/)

/trash/ so far has worked out nicely, and is clearly Hiro's biggest success on here so far. It has given /mlp/ a place to finally post pony porn, furries can post their porn in peace, and the RP and ERP fags can do whatever they want.

>>398720
>should it be unlisted like /trash/ is?
I think every new board should be unlisted the first month.
>And if it does go unlisted, then mods need to start making public things on LOL comic threads, GamerGate/SJW threads, censorship threads, things like that and say (THIS POST HAS BEEN MOVED TO /metav/)
That and a sticky like the one on /a/ when /wsr/ was made would be nice.

>>398744
I wish /g/ would have gotten a sticky about /wsr/.

But yeah the more I read about this the more I think having /trash/ 2.0 aka /metav/ will be the best possible option at this point.

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>>398425
>/vg/ should be fucking removed
/vg/ is fucking perfect m8

>>398607
/d/ is better now without all the awful highscool-tier western art.

Happy New Year everyone!

Suggestion on a dividing line.

/v/ is for GAMES and GAMEPLAY. Hardware discussions, as it directly relates to games and gameplay. When a thread is about a title ala /vg/, it might have a bit more leeway,

/vbiz/ is for sales figures, devs, distributors and purchasing channels like EA and Steam, kickstarters, pro players/tournaments , conventions like E3, media coverage about games, industry stuff like IDGA. News and press releases.

Meta threads and culture are still generally deleted, but more strictly enforced on /v/, because of the tighter focus on gameplay.

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Lets sanity check to see how this splits with existing /v/ threads.

>What does /v/ think of [Fallout 4]?
/v/

>What does /v/ think of [EA]?
/vbiz/

> Hottest ho's of World of Warcraft.
Where should wanking over a character go? I'm inclined that /vbiz/, because the cosplayers are a natural fit.


> Recommend me a game. Best fighting games.
Both. It's likely to lead to review wanking, and also is likely to be a discussion on the game and what makes it good.

Personally, I'm kicking around the idea of seeing /vbiz/ nsfw, to fit it's more frewheeling, console warring, internet slap fighting, /b/tard style.

>>398860
Just move all talk about GamerGate, Censorship, LOL Comics, E-Celebs, and waifu threads and move them to /metav/. We want those gone from /v/. /vbiz/ can stay on /v/.

Hiro, for the love of God, please make /metav/ happen and give it the title "Trash: But Now With Video Games"

2016 is finally here. This is it. This is the year /v/ HAS to be fixed. More than ever we need a /metav/ to dump all the shit out of /v/. Call it /trash/ 2.0 or whatever, just make it happen.

Have a sticky be made telling people threads About or devolve into things like Censorship, SJW, Gamergate, LOL Comics, and E-Celebs will be moved to /metav/ and will stay in /metav/

>>398987
>2016 is finally here. This is it. This is the year /v/ HAS to be fixed.
It is being fixed. With Next.

>>398987
>Call it /trash/ 2.0 or whatever, just make it happen.
Put it in the already created /trash/ you fucking moron. There is no need for a new board when there is a place already made for this garbage

>>398995
>put it
we're not the mods

>>399000
Your an idiot

>>398995
The mods tried that and they quickly gave up. You need an entire board dedicated all of this. a /metav/ would be perfect

>>399009
>The mods tried that and they quickly gave up
What? The mods haven't fucking done anything like this. They nazi moded /v/ that one time and people fucking loved it until moot told them to stop, but thats it

>>399012
And now they've dug themselves into this fucking mess. They have to clean up moot's fuck up

>>399013
>They have to clean up moot's fuck up
You mean the users fuck up. The only mistake in this regard moot made was making fucking /pol/ again. This shit is the users fault for abandoning old 4chan values and elitism and being welcoming instead

>>396591
>not a west/east split
Yeah, /v/'ll stay as shit as it's always been.

>>398860
Making it NSFW would save both boards a lot of headaches. Also I'm thinking /vbiz/ could a thing in /metav/. It's funny, the more I see it picture it set in motion, the more it makes sense.

>>399002
>Not even commenting on my trips

Shaking my head family to be honest.

>>399012
>until moot told them to stop
Ok, do you know WHY he told them to stop? Because it was draconian, and if you need that much moderation to save anything on 4chan then, well, what's the point of 4chan then?

Look, we've been through these, I don't expect new comers to know this but we would also like this intense moderation or really anything that could realistically solve /v/'s issues but sadly, nazi moderation is long from being realistic. Hiro making a new thread, on the other hand, is more realistic since he's been prone to help when he's talked into it.

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>/v/edditor mods delete Japanese video games threads.
>We need a /metav/, not a /jv/

>>399070
Stop trying to make this a west vs east thing, the only reason the whole /jv/ thing was considered was to counter the same synthoms we've been discussing from the start: there needs to be a board for discussing the industry. Its pretty naive to think an asian games board only would be excent of these issues. I get that the idea is making /v/ kinda niche but this is too niche.

>>399070
>keep posting anime girls! redditors hate them!
Why would reddit.hate anime?

>>>/v/322257250

>>>/v/322251812

>>>/v/322258465

Threads like these should have been deleted on sight

>>399017
The only boards that were "welcoming" were /v/ and /tv/.

>>399433
First thread is still up, when its fucking clear its just a bunch of autists enabling the OP, and the mods are seemingly allowing it. How the fuck is this thread still up?

I just want to talk about video games. Every thread turns into consolewar bullshit

>>399480
So do we, that's part of the point of the split.

>>397370
This, even when a separated board is made people will still turn it in developer and game culture discussions on both boards.

>>399557
>It won't work moot! We're still overflown by retro game fags
>it wont work moot, there's still too many Pokemon threads in /v/ still!
>It won't work moot, there are still a flood of generals in /v/!

This is nothing new, faggots complaining about new threads is old as 4chan itself. Too bad the arguments against them are always the same

>I-I don't like this to change! Mommy! Thing's are changing! Mooooooom!

>>399575
>>It won't work moot! We're still overflown by retro game fags
No one fucking asked for /vr/, you fucking moron. And here is how we know you have no idea what you are fucking talking about. /vg/ never removed generals either. /v/ still has generals and it only caused generalculture on the rest of the site to grow. Fuck off

>>399590
No you fuck off bitch

Who cares if nobody asked for /vr/ the point is that faggots like you whined about it when in reality it wasn't affecting them.

>>399595
No one complained moron, no one fucking asked for /vr/. You are trying to fucking compare discussion boards to a board trying to contain shitposting. We don't need a shitposting board and they are only harmful to the site. There a a insane amount of ways to fix site problems, without needed to resort to the easy opinion of board splits that don't fucking fix anything. Even more so when the original board has high traffic and is under-moderated and now you have 2 high traffic under-moderated boards. If it's going anywhere, it's into the /trash/. Not a new trash, the current /trash/. You don't cater to stupidity and shitposting, you ban it

Your little shitposting board will only be harmful for the site in the long run as it'll just become a activist board and will create brand fucking new low effort shitposting culture that will spread throughout the site and lower posting quality and at the same time bring in new fucking users who's only experience is that board and they will think the entire site is meant to be used like it. And at the end of the day, /v/ never changed, because a board split doesn't change the way users treat a fucking board or decrease its traffic. Retard

>>396591
Hiro pls ban OP so he can make his own splitter channel.

>>399603
Nice text wall, retard, but you have no saying in this. Acting all high and mighty regarding containment boards just outs you as the cancer you are. You clearly are concerned you wouldn't be able to shit up /v/ after the board split.
>hurr send it to the thrash lol its funny cuz the boards name is thrash
Piss off you underage redditard, stop trying to fit in so much

>>399612
Trying to defend and making shitposting boards makes you the cancer, you stupid /v/edditor

>>hurr send it to the thrash lol its funny cuz the boards name is thrash
>Piss off you underage redditard, stop trying to fit in so much
It belongs in the /trash/, because thats the fucking point of the board. If you pushed it to /b/, no one would fucking accept it. I think YOU need to stop trying so hard to fit in by defending low effort shitposting and low effort shitposting boards

>>399616
Then why are you shitposting this hard? Holy shit have you read your own posts? How can you live with yourself? Is it too hard for you to go on for two seconds without drowning on autistic rage? What the fuck is wrong with you man?

>make thread about game developers on /v/
>"N...NOT VIDYA! ECELBS! ECELEBS! MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS!"

>make thread about voice actresses on /a/
>perfectly OK

If you niggers actually think we don't need a games industry board, that's fine, but you can't turn around and say video game industry discussion doesn't belong on /v/ then.

>>398350
They're from /a/. It's always /a/. They hate /v/ because video games are infinitely more popular than anime.

>>399627
>shitpost about people who 'work' in the industry and shitpost about their twitter posts and rage about them and then try to create movements to make change
>actual talking about VA's people who actually work in the industry and are important to it
VA shit belongs on /jp/ anyway

>>399632
You're throwing the term "shitposting" too loosely. I'm not even sure what you mean by "shitposting" anymore. What would you define as 'shitposting' in this context?

>>399433
That first thread got over 521 posts. What a fucking joke the moderation is

>>399616
>>399603
Dude you're fucking shitposting to the max here. Anyone who bitches about board containment's are just shitposters who don't want their hugbox taken away from them.

>>399674
Clearly the nazi moderation is doing wonders huh?

>>399628
>They hate /v/ because video games are infinitely more popular than anime.
Yep that's totally the reason.

I don't care how many /v/ splits there are. Just please keep GG banned from this site.

>>399675
>Anyone who bitches about board containment's are just shitposters who don't want their hugbox taken away from them.
Holy shit, you are fucking retarded

You shouldn't reward misbehaving children.

>>399697
No you're the retard, and you just exposed that you're on the /v/ermin who don't want /v/ to change because you want to keep your hugbox

You think it's bad now? Look at this

>>399807

Maybe we do need a /v/ for Japanese vidya. The more I think about it the more we might need it

>>396591
Threads get archived in less than 30 minutes at this time, a split is really necessary

/metav/ would literally be 8gag: the board

People who don't want discussion involving industry shit should just learn how to use the filter system.

The real split needs to involve PC and Consoles.

>>399702
this

>>399905
>not wanting garbage and pointless shitposting splits and containment boards that wont fix anything and at the end of the day make more problems makes you a shitposters and a hug boxer
Fucking hell you are retarded

Also, >>400181 this

>>400187
>>400202
>this
>this

Go back to reddit retards

>>399628
You seem to have some sort of complex
Where did /a/ touch you?

>>400281
I'm pretty sure he was joking.

>>400061
Not likely. One of the major downsides I see with this is that /v/ as it is would actually die. There would be no /v/ just /vj/ and /vw/. That would be quite a blow for the history of 4chan, it would be the actual first deleted board from Hiro's reign (not sure if Hiro killed /z/ or if it was killed before that but whatever)

The other flaw I see is that much of the issues we're trying to adress could survive both boards. You wouldn't be able to discuss either Japanese or Western games without mentioning the industry involved in both, their publicity stunts, news about publishers and developers, and other meta stuff, like waifu threads. /vj/ and /vw/ would both have that, and the complaining wouldn't end there. Think of having, instead, a video game board only. No video game culture, no discrimination for games based on their agendas, no monkey business about "kinda vidya" threads. None of that. No memes, No Drama, only vidya. Think about that. That, is why we want /metav/ for.

>>400317
That sounds reasonable. I'm kinda gettibg redpilled on this /metav/ idea

>>400317
As good as you think /v/ will be after containing all the drama, GG does not deserve their own 4chan board.

>>400317
>That, is why we want /metav/ for.
A /metav/ won't remove any of this. It will still exist on /v/ because the users treat it like shit and your /metav/ will only cause it to spread and make it grow. We don't need a gg board. If you are going to do this, you either nazi mod the board to outright ban that shit or you push it all into the /trash/, not make another shitposting board that will only serve to kill the site even further

>>400335
I know that. Contrary to what fearmongering anons might want you to believe (>>400337)
, we are not advocating for a board that would allow GG. We believe GG discussion shouldn't be allowed in 4chan mainly for its already strong asociation with 8ch and because they have become a countermovement for SJW rather than a movement involved with video games. Sure, they were involved with some stuff with Kotaku and other websites once but they haven't been relevant for mostly a year.

>>400339
But if you create a board dedicated to "vidya drama" won't that essentially be used to complain about the same SJW shit GG does?

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>>400339
>fearmonglering
Stop that already you idiot. It's called using your head. It's pretty easy to tell what direction a board will go in on creation. This sort of this is even easier, because you are 'trying' to contain something. You are trying to contain shitposting and activism. It's very obvious what direction it will go in and that it will only be bad for the site in the long wrong. It's also obvious it won't fix /v/, because the issue isn't the culture discussion and the like, it's the fucking users. If you move it from /v/, they won't stop using /v/, they will keep shitposting there with something different. Removing the culture garbage is, however, required to remove those users. In addition, 'contain' that shit WILL shit up the site. This isn't something subjective, this is objective. You are trying to contain topics and certain users. You are trying to contain /b/ in /b/ basically. But, /b/ has always been contained in /b/, but it sure helped the site didn't it? The only thing contain /b/ in /b/ did was bring in newfags to /b/ who degraded its quality and then spread across the site with misconceptions on what the site is until we reached the current point were '4chan is for shitposting and mememes'.

You are trying to fix a lack of moderation issue, by making more work for the mods

>We believe GG discussion shouldn't be allowed in 4chan mainly for its already strong asociation with 8ch and because they have become a countermovement for SJW rather than a movement involved with video games
GG doesn't belong because its fucking activism, it has nothing to do with 8gags or SJW

>>400340
GG seems to be against SJW in general. /v/ is often just concerned about the ocational censorship. SJW bashing isn't meta video games, but discussing censorship is.
>>400351
>This sort of this is even easier
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
>they won't stop using /v/, they will keep shitposting there with something different
OooOoo, watch out guys, these guys can't be reasoned with, they're terrorists! OooOOO somebody call the cops!
>This isn't something subjective, this is objective
Dude. You can't just say your argument is a fact and expect it to be. You have to provide evidence to your claims.
>GG doesn't belong because its fucking activism
That I can agree with.

I went on /v/ twice today and both times there was a Briana Wu thread up. First time had over 300 posts and second had 60. Both were deleted within 5 minutes of me reporting them. Why are the users so lazy about reporting?

>>400360
It is literally impossible to have a discussion about censorship on /v/ without it turning into SJW-bashing.

>>400363
New board, new beggining. Remember how everyone were worried /his/ would become /pol2.0/ and the moderation quickly acted about it? Have faith, that will be /metav/'s case.

>>400365
/his/ wasn't created as a containment for /pol/. It was created as a refuge from /pol/.
Enforcing strict moderation on /metav/ won't make /v/ any better.

>>400367
Even so, the new board would have too much to discuss to waste it in SJW. And, as I said, new board new beggining. All it would take to rid of it would be a smaller louder crowd of new users on a smaller board to contain it.

>>400372
>Even so, the new board would have too much to discuss to waste it in SJW.
I disagree completely.

>>400375
>I disagree completely.
That's fine, could you explain to me why?

>>400360
>if i quote only certain parts of his posts i can easily pick at and ignore everything else that goes with it
Stop quote misusing, you fucking faggot. Please note, I'm not quote misusing, as I'm quote paraphrasing what you thought to yourself

>Dude. You can't just say your argument is a fact and expect it to be. You have to provide evidence to your claims.
How about you prove how splitting /v/ will fucking fix a lack of moderation issue. You haven't given anything other than 'it will' and then throwing hot opinions at when anything that proves that shit wrong. Containment boards have never fixed anything and have only made problems worse.
>/mlp/
Special case, globally hated
>/vg/
Generals still on /v/ and globally caused general culture to grow
>/vp/
It's fucking under moderated and general hell
>/jp/
Touhou board. It's a dead board, general hell and was a board that was made to remove topics that never actually belonged on /a/ in the first place

A /metav/ isn't going to fix anything, because IT WILL BE A SHITPOSTING BOARD. How fucking hard is this one to get. We don't need that and its better off being outright banned or moved to /trash/ instead
>>400363

>Why are the users so lazy about reporting?
Because they are shitposting newfags who think the mods are evil and incapable of doing their job, so they don't bother with it

>>400365
>Have faith, that will be /metav/'s case.
>a board is suffering from a lack of moderation
>i know lets make a new board split
>and mod it as well while leave the previous board in its lack of moderation hell
>this is such a great idea theres no way we could just mod the original board instead we must make a new board before we do so ITS THE ONLY WAY TO FIX PROBLEMS
wew lad

New boards aren't new beginnings. The website doesn't need new beginnings, it needs to cull the userbase of newfags and shitposters. New boards aren't the way and only aggravate the issue

>>400378
>Stop quote misusing, you fucking faggot. Please note, I'm not quote misusing, as I'm quote paraphrasing what you thought to yourself
I'm sorry man, it's just that many of your opinions have already been revoked in our previous conversation. I didn't feel like repeating the same things over and over again. I'm just having fun with the new jokes you bring in each new reply. Pretty funny stuff
>How about you prove how splitting /v/ will fucking fix a lack of moderation issue
It's not about the moderation, it's about sorting out an abundantly growing topic in a video game which could use more on topic discussion. This happened with /vp/ and /vg/, I don't know why you're making a big deal out of it. It has always been like this.
>Generals still on /v/
Actual generals get deleted in sight. Try to make two consecutive threads out of any game. Go ahead. I'll wait
>It's fucking under moderated and general hell
Not to mention slow, but that's what they are subject to if all they talk is Pokemon.
>A /metav/ isn't going to fix anything, because IT WILL BE A SHITPOSTING BOARD
Listen, if you discuss jews in a Pizza oven thread in /ck/, that's shitposting. If you discuss Jews in a Jew thread in /pol/, well, that's discussion. I know that to you it might seem like shitposting no matter where its posted but the truth is shitposting is context sensitive. The essence of shitposting is being out of place, and if you send all those things that are considered shitposting into another thread, is it really considered shitposting? Who would it boter if you're not reading it?

>>400386
>It's not about the moderation, it's about sorting out an abundantly growing topic in a video game which could use more on topic discussion
No, /v/'s problem is it lacks moderation. The amount of things it can talk about since its creation hasn't increased, its just gotten retards who have the wrong idea about the board and shitpost. The board lacks moderation and almost every single one of its problems could be fixed with it being properly moderated and its users not treating it like a shitposting toilet. Don't try and play pretend, /v/'s problem has always been about moderation and the stupidity of its users, not that its topic is growing. /a/ has just about as many topics as /v/, but its not in the same state. Why? Because it's users give a shit about the board and its moderated.

>Actual generals get deleted in sight. Try to make two consecutive threads out of any game. Go ahead. I'll wait
Generals aren't fucking 'GENERAL THREAD PASTEBIN", moron

>shitposting is context sensitive
Are you stupid? /s4s/ is a board for shitposting, and it doesn't matter how you want to put it, but everything in that board is shitposting. Shitposting has more to do with low quality posting, fuckface. Sending culture and industry discussion to its own board doesn't make it not shitposting, because the posts will still be fucking low quality.

A /metav/ is rewarding bad kids, instead of punishing them. A /metav/ isn't going to fucking fix anything with /v/, because the problem still fuckings remains. The users are stupid underage newfags who think 4chan is for le memes and shitpost and the board is still undermoderated. All you've done is remove a SINGLE topic they can shitpost about. They will just move on to the next topic. You still need to fucking both of those things to fix /v/. But now, you have a new board that will be a almost clone of the current /v/ that will shit up the rest of the side and turn /v/ back to shitposting at the end of the day. Congrats! >>>/trash/

>>400405
You really need to stop with this "OH NO IF WE MAKE /metav/ ITS GONNA SPREAD ALL OVER 4CHAN!!!"

I'm sure faggots like you thought the same thing when /mlp/ got made, and look what happened. /mlp/ stayed contained

/metav/ is for more than just culture, its also for industry related shit. Journalism, censorship, all those kinds of things would go there. Same with LOL Comics, Steam ID threads, Deep Sea threads, etc etc.

This leaves /v/ strictly for video game talks. And as badly as you want stricter moderation, do you see the mods trying to be strict? No because they leave shitposting threads up till they hit the bump limit, and will later go an delete a thread that's perfectly on topic and is about video games in 5 minutes. The mods are retards.

>>400499
>Journalism, censorship
Stopped reading there.

>>400506
Of course you did. You probably didn't like the part where I said strict moderation won't work didn't you?

>>400511
I honest to god didn't read past that line.

>>400525
>This leaves /v/ strictly for video game talks. And as badly as you want stricter moderation, do you see the mods trying to be strict? No because they leave shitposting threads up till they hit the bump limit, and will later go an delete a thread that's perfectly on topic and is about video games in 5 minutes. The mods are retards.
So read this line faggot and point out anything I say that's wrong. Because clearly you're too stupid so I have to spoonfeed it to you

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>>400499
>i lack reading comprehension the post
/metav/ will be a shitposting board, this is simple fact. It won't magically become constructive discussion, it'll be just plain old low effort shitposting. You can't argue this point because you are trying to move literal shitposting from one board to a new one. Said board will proceed to grow its own culture and then spread that culture across the rest of the site
>THATS JUST FEAR MONGOLING u r just upset about memes
No, you stupid retard. Fucking straight up shitposting culture, just like /pol/ coming out of /pol/. Just like fucking /v/ becoming /b/ 2.0 because little edge masters right out of /v/ moved right into it first without the sites culture. You will also bring in newfags with the board and they will only use that board and then spread everywhere else through the site with a misconception of what the site is. Just like how newfags think 4chan is meant to be like /b/

>/mlp/
It was already fucking spread out everywhere you retard. The only reason /mlp/ contains anything is because everyone else fucking hates them. It doesn't change the fact retards come from the board with retard ideas of what the site is

Look, I'll predict your board
>journalish
FUCKING KEK FAGGOTS <insert gg shit>
>censorship
FUCKING SJW
>LOL comics
This is shitposting
>steam ID
>>>/soc/
>deep sea thread
I actually don't know what these are, but I can only assume they have something to do with that ice picture

>This leaves /v/ strictly for video game talk
Refer to the last para of my previous post. You have applying a band-aid to a fucking leg chopped in half. Keep pretending. Please for the love of god lurk moar. You seem to think a board split somehow fixes a retard userbase and a lack of moderation, when all it does is aggravate it. Culture and industry isn't the problem. It's the fucking mods a users.

YOU ARE ONLY SPLITTING OFF SOMETHING THAT IS ONLY APART OF THE PROBLEM NOT THE PROBLEM YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARD >>>/trash/

>>400405
>No, /v/'s problem is it lacks moderation
Ok, so the problem is the lack of moderation, cool.
>Don't try and play pretend, /v/'s problem has always been about moderation
Oh, so it isn't?
>Because it's users give a shit about the board and its moderated.
That's funny. You're implying we don't care about /v/ and still the reason we are here is because we care about /v/ and we want to do something about it other than wait for better moderation. It's you the one who doesn't care about /v/. All you care about is that your home board won't get mildly annoyed with some supposed crossboarding, which by this point also seems imaginary.
>Generals aren't fucking 'GENERAL THREAD PASTEBIN", moron
I'm sorry Anon, but if you insist on having these wide parameters for what constitutes a general then I'm afraid you'll find practically no boards devoid of generals.
>>400405
>Shitposting has more to do with low quality posting
>fuckface
So, basically what you've been doing all along?

I was going to quote the whole last part of your post but I felt it was too easy as it was full of lulzy parts. All I'll say is that you shouldn't worry about this new board magically ruining the site. If this site can be compromised by something this dumb then we're no better than any other comunity in the internet. Maybe you'll just have to accept that sometimes changes are necessary? Maybe you'll just have to with it?

>>400532
>/metav/ will be a shitposting board, this is simple fact
>Said board will proceed to grow its own culture and then spread that culture across the rest of the site

Even if it is, how will this affect you? Will you post there? No you won't. So what's going to be the issue? Crossboarders? Oh no, someone is using a meme from /metav/! Ignore it? Your board is likely mod friendly so you won't have to deal with it. What else?
>You will also bring in newfags with the board and they will only use that board and then spread everywhere else through the site with a misconception of what the site is. Just like how newfags think 4chan is meant to be like /b/
Is that seriously it? You're just afraid you might someday read some dank meme from /metav/? So what? Come on man, grow up.
>I actually don't know what these are, but I can only assume
Honest to god stopped reading there

Don't assume. You've been assuming falacies so far. No, it's not going to be the end of the world. No, your draconian methods won't be implemented. No, just because its shitposting in /v/ it won't make it shitposting in a dedicated board. Stop. Repeating. These Non-Arguments.

>>400570
Wew lad, is the only retort and argument you are capable of 'relax dude its going to happen and itsnt going to damage anything and while i cant prove that thats whats going to happen relax my man'

>>400576
Let's do a little imagination exercise, shall we.

Imagine what could be realistically the worst case scenario of this board existing. Be as detailed as posible, I'm curious to know.

>>400574
Mod won't be able to keep GG off /metav/ and it'll bring all the KiA redditors and 8gaggers to 4chan.

>>400579
Did you know that GG is auto-saged in /v/? That shit is automatic. It takes no effort to sever the attempts of discussing it dramatically. So, no. Also, I don't know what 8ch does but you clearly do if you know their every move this well.

>>400570
>>400574

>>>400405
>A /metav/ is rewarding bad kids, instead of punishing them. A /metav/ isn't going to fucking fix anything with /v/, because the problem still fuckings remains. The users are stupid underage newfags who think 4chan is for le memes and shitpost and the board is still undermoderated. All you've done is remove a SINGLE topic they can shitpost about. They will just move on to the next topic. You still need to fucking both of those things to fix /v/. But now, you have a new board that will be a almost clone of the current /v/ that will shit up the rest of the side and turn /v/ back to shitposting at the end of the day. Congrats

>No, just because its shitposting in /v/ it won't make it shitposting in a dedicated board
Holy shit, you are retarded. And why exactly does it need a dedicated board? 4chan doesn't need to hold conversation for everything. The topic has always caused nothing but shitposting and always cause nothing shitposting, even in your dedicated board. There is no need for your dedicated board when /trash/ exist. There is NO REASON TO GIVE IT IT'S OWN BOARD. The topic isn't even fucking japanese shit or a hobby. Boards should only pertain to those two topics, we don't need any more normalfag boards. Making boards for those topics still in no way fix /v/, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T THE PROBLEM, BUT THE ARE MAJOR PART OF THE PROBLEM.

Wow, congrats you have moved a topic from /v/ to a new board, but the mods still aren't going their jobs and the users of /v/ are still underage shitposters. What was that? Moderate /v/? But why did you make that other board? Now it's going to go unmoderated? What was the point? Oh right, there wasn't any. You just think 4chan should hold conversation for everything and shouldn't remove anything. Constructive! Now you are still moderating /v/ and culling its userbase, but now you have given those very misbehaving children their own haven to misbehave and then outgrow it and spread everywhere else. NICE!

>>400580
I'm so glad /metav/ will never become a thing because the only people who support it have no fucking idea what they're talking about.

Also, there's a Sarkeesian hatefuck thread on /v/ right now.

>>400584
See? this guy gets it. If it won't happen, why getting upset about it? If it does happen, wheres the harm? Everyone should just chill

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>>400599
>Everyone should just chill
There it is again.
>its just a site stop caring about it just let it all fall
4chan is mostly about fun, but you're an idiot if you lack any care and community spirit

>>400604
>the 4chan is falling! AHHHHHHHH
Shhh...everthing is fine. The chaos is only in your mind

>>400580
and yet SJW shit is allowed to stay

>>400532
>not knowing what deep sea threads are
>on /v/

Ok now I know you're new as fuck. If you ever posted on /v/ back before your kind invaded you would know we used to have those threads late at night. You not knowing just shows how fresh off the boat you are, and how little your opinion should be taken

>>401166
Not everyone lives in the same timezone, you turbo nigger. Nor is /v/ my homeboard or ever was and not everyone browses the site 24/7 and not everyone uses the catalog. It's actually incredibly easy to miss a type of thread if you aren't looking for it and don't use it. Your opinion is worth shittons less than mine because you are trying to split a board without even asking the board because you think you know best

>>400582
>4chan doesn't need to hold conversation for everything
It doesn't NEED, but it sure would be nice to cover as many possible topics on their proper boards. These threads are already flooding /v/, with or without your adorable concent.
>>400582
>>Wow, congrats you have moved a topic from /v/ to a new board, but the mods still aren't going their jobs and the users of /v/ are still underage shitposters. What was that? Moderate /v/? But why did you make that other board? Now it's going to go unmoderated? What was the point? Oh right, there wasn't any. You just think 4chan should hold conversation for everything and shouldn't remove anything. Constructive! Now you are still moderating /v/ and culling its userbase, but now you have given those very misbehaving children their own haven to misbehave and then outgrow it and spread everywhere else. NICE!

You keep mentioning "children" in conversation as peyorative therm but the only one throwing tantrums here is you. Have you heard about slippery slopes? I know you hate these topics, these "cancerous" topics. Alright, that's fine. And you're right, you don't need a topic for everything. But /v/ is at a point in which it has naturally developed an entire sub-culture of its own. We can either pretend its not a thing because its different or because we don't like it or whatever or can acknowledge its existance and let it go its own way. Consider, also, that boards are trial boards. Do you think Hiro would allow these badass shitposting piranas eat 4chan away? If it would actually kill 4chan, Hiro could just undo it.

Waiting for your next "Y-you're retarded! Baka!" tsundere post!

>>401338
Everything you consider subculture is cancerous and should be banned from /v/ rather than moved to a different board.

>>401338
>trial boards
That's real cute. There is no such thing as a trial board with Hiro around. Once he adds a board, he isn't going to remove it. I doubt you could convince him to and he isn't around enough to do so.

>subculture
Yea, and it IS cancerous. It has never been good or constructive. Said culture has always been shitposting. Giving it it's own board won't change that. Giving it's own board will only cause it to grow and spread. Yes, yes, le meme and le slippery slope. Go fucking learn some history of the site. In addition, you probably thing desu senpai and cuck are just le memes but to some boards that shit is cancerous as hell because it decreases posting board quality and encourages garbage low effort minimal posts. The very things your board is going to create, plus other negative things for the site that are similar. It will also bring up the rise of more activism. Spoonfeeding could be considered a sub-culture, but I sure as hell ain't going to allow it to fucking happen or give it its own board. And no, the requests boards aren't for spoonfeeding, they are for requests. Retards just use it for spoonfeeding instead and that needs to be fixed as well

Jesus has /qa/ taken a turn for the worst. The Redditors are trying to shit up the place because they don't want things being changed. Now you have swaglord trying to get [s4s] to raid /qa/ yet again.

We need to fix /v/ somehow. People keep saying "Oh increase moderation oh nazi moderation oh moderation moderation moderation". Well guess what? Moderation on /v/ is shit and its not going to get any better anytime soon. Want to know why? Because /v/ is too fucking big to properly to maintain. Not to mention the mods on /v/ hold a massive bias towards certain things they personally like.

/metav/, /vi/, /vc/, whatever we just need to clean up /v/. I'm not sure what to even do anymore since it feels like we get nowhere at all. No one can agree to anything on here. What the fuck do you people want? What can we agree on? Cause we can't complain on /v/ because the mods will ban us for "spamming" the board.

This is literally the only place to voice our general concerns.

>>401798
>shrinking /v/ will make /v/ less shit
Creating /metav/ isn't going to make it easier for mods to clean up /v/. It's just going to give them more work because they have another trash board to babysit when GG floods it.

>>401822
GG isn't as strong as it used to be. Its more about censorship battles now against SJW's. Gamers are fed up with SJW's invading video games and video game journalist's having known liberal biases.

And yes it will make it less shit. The mods aren't going to just start banning every single SJW thread they see in sight. If they did a fucking sticky would have been made by now saying what is and isn't allowed on /v/. Hiro nor the mods have done that, and people have been begging for something like that since he fucking took over the site.

>>401822
So then if you want, just make a /vi/ board that's only for talking about censorship and video game journalism, anything related to those fields. You CANNOT ban them outright because it is part of video games. /v/ can finally then be rid of that shit, because its those posts and threads that attract shitposters.

Something also needs to be done about the weeaboos vs westacucks situation. Both sides flat out hate each other, and I can't see them getting along well at all in the future. Something has to be done. Last time people suggested a video game board for eastern games and a video game board for western games. And if that's going to be the case, Hiro MUST begin the process of hiring new mods

>>401827
>You CANNOT ban them outright because it is part of video games
Sure you can

>>398323
>But you're stupid and moot has said
Which is entirely fucking irrelevant because 4chan is supposed to be moderated based on the set out rules, not the whim of a failed goon. The discussion of gamergate broke no rules and it was removed entirely without merit.

Get off m00t's cock. He thought you were trash and only cared about traffic and making the site appealing to those who would purchase 4chan passes.

>>398408
>Every discussion about gaming industry is already banned
This should be the point of discussion: banning discussion about the gaming industry on the board about video games is all sorts of fucked up.

Could you imagine the out pour of anger and backlash it would cause if mods arbitrarily started banning threads about the discussion of the anime and manga industries on /a/? Whether or not you agree with the issues surrounding the discussion which was banned, you simply cannot stand for such a statement being accurate and allowed to stay that way, if you care at all about the state of the board.

>for example me and many others who play only on PC and not eastern games
Some of the best Japanese games are native to personal computers. The fuck is wrong with you?

>>398905
>We
Stop using that like your opinion is generally accepted.

>>401856
Yeah and then go and alienate even more here and run them off. Sure yeah lets make this place a Nazi paradise

>Please create a board for whiny GamerGate faggots to organize raids and bitch about the feminist boogeyman

Fuck off

>>401918
And this is why nothing gets done

>>402048
Another major problem: /v/ moves way too damn fast. Threads really do get achieved fairly quickly because the mods don't get rid of the damn generals

>>402052
It gets even worse! If you really, really think /v/ doesn't need change, you need to stop shitposting already and get your head out of your ass

>>401889
I'd love nothing more than to alienate KiA and 8gag

>>401798
>The Redditors are trying to shit up the place because they don't want things being changed.
Redditors are the ones trying to make stupid change on /qa/, shitbrains

>>401889
Sounds like a good idea, anon. 4chan is a japanese centric site. If people are upset they can't talk about certain things here outside of /trash/ and /b/, then they don't belong

>>401866
>Could you imagine the out pour of anger and backlash it would cause if mods arbitrarily started banning threads about the discussion of the anime and manga industries on /a/?
They already do and no one really cares. Meta threads have always and always will be stupid as hell. Meta threads aren't allowed on /a/ but do get allowed when its on occasion or if the topic has importance. Otherwise, it gets hit with the fucking hammer like it should. Boards are made for talking about a topic, not the things that surround the topics. The surroundings get allowed because it'd be silly to not allow. But, it's not something that should constantly be talked about and it sure as hell isn't something that should be given its own fucking board. Those meta topics even on the original board are stupid and cancerous as hell. What do you think will fucking happen when you give it its own board?

Look at fucking /qa/. Once people remembered it existed and came to it in semi-high numbers, it became nothing but shitposting and stupid newfags talking about of their fucking arse screaming, whining and begging for stupid changes of things they know nothing about. /q/ was the same. While it had actual proper discussion with people who actually knew shit, a lot of that was drowned out by all the idiots. Your meta board will be no different, except, your actual discussion will be so fucking rare its not funny due to the crowd that will be using it. Aka, its a shitposting board = not needed

Tell me something: What do you want with /v/? Because now it seems no one here can agree to anything at all

>>398750
>Generals: the board
>Being perfect
If anyone ever ask me why generals shouldn't be allowed I would redirect them to /vg/ The average post quality is beyond terrible

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>>402190
Seriously? No one has an answer?

>>396591
This won't work
Ignore or hide the threads you don't like, simple

>>402882
So you're fine with off topic shitposting and threads that are off topic? And mods who don't do their fucking jobs?

>>401344
Didn't they say the same about generals?

Nice dubs btw.

>>401350
>That's real cute. There is no such thing as a trial board with Hiro around. Once he adds a board, he isn't going to remove it. I doubt you could convince him to and he isn't around enough to do so.
Oh? So you DO think this board could happen don't you? Of course! why else would you be so upset? Come on, haven't you at least kinda considered the idea of this board being made? Even if it sucks, you could just be like "See? I told everyone it was going to suck before it even existed!"
>Go fucking learn some history of the site
I have. I've been using it as the base of my arguments. You're the one trying to mud the noble attempts at containing certain uncontrolable topics.

>>401918
Who said anything about GG? Where in the OP is that even mentioned?

>>402190
To isolate the meta video game threads from the actual honest to god "What do you think of X game" threads.

That's the most common goal. The only dispute or disagreament is what should be done to achieve it. We believe a new board would be able to do just this by sorting the culture part of /v/'s first rule elsewhere, thus devalidating many of this "cancer" threads. Some fear the /v/ users are too smart and they would just ignore the rules of the board and post as usual but I doubt the shitposting force of /v/ are that bright.

>>403055
Apparently he is. That's what boggles me: people who think there's no problem with /v/ whatsoever.

Can I get a list of what /v/ culture entails besides complaining about censorship and making fun of sjws?
Like what do you guys want moved from /v/ to /metav/?

>>403160
Every other thread the OP made, he had GG in it until he realized that no one is going to listen to anything he says for being a stupid retard supporting activism

>>403169
There were 2 OPs. I saw both threads. The one with Gaben's face had the pro-GG OP and for some time it existed simultaneously with this one. They must have realised it was bait since its gone now.

>>403167
Sure thing!

>Threads about reviews
>Threads about developers, voice actors, artists, programmers, etc.
>Threads that throwback features from games (A.K.A ">X game Y Thing happens" threads
>Video game humor threads
>Console wars and news about new video game markets
>Waifu threads
>News about not yet released games
>News about not yet released consoles
>Threads about Speedrunners, streamers, etc.
And last but not least
>General recommendation threads ("what game is better for X or Y)

>>403254
That's a good list of stuff I'd support making a new board for.
What goes on in developer discussion threads?

>>403164
But every time we try this people keep thinking it'll be a breeding ground where Redditors can congregate. I think that's the concern.

We have got to get rid of meta shit AND get better mods. Its just that, like you said, no one here can agree on the best possible method

The only way it could work is if you created a new board for gameplay discussion only, and left the meta stuff on /v/.

Make a /vb/ - Vidya/Random board, to basically be a board for anything related to video games, and make /v/ a more heavily moderated board for serious game discussion. Style it after Reddit's r/gaming and r/games subreddits, one is for shitposting and memes, the other for people who actually want to discuss shit.

>>403520
But the problem comes back to again, we want the Redditors off of here. We don't want to make a board where Reddit can breed, but then again we need to get rid of shit like >>403254
said

>>403548
/b/'s worked for years to help cut down on the number of normies who just come to 4chan because it's an edgy hacker site. At this point completely getting rid of Redditors is a lost cause, there's simply too many. It's best to just give them their own board to shit up and ban them if they step out.

>48 posters
Yeah, I'm sure hiro will listen to you cucks

>>403564
Welcome to /qa/, where people who don't go on a board bicker about how it should be run

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>>403552
This. I don't know what's the fuss, it has always been like this.
>m-muh derivated board is not cancer

Please.

>>403264
You've never been on one? It's like a player discussion thread on /sp/. (Except with nowhere near as much shitposting)

>>403567
...and succeed.

>>403520
Good enough for me

>>403467
>The only way it could work is if you created a new board for gameplay discussion only, and left the meta stuff on /v/.

Why do you hate /v/ so much?

>>403658
If you create a board because you want others to go there, they won't. You have to make the board you want to go to.

>>403775
Why do you think that will be the case?

>>403775
It's the same, actually. The order doesn't really affect the outcome. You could very well make this new board /v/ and just rename the board the video game culture is already in. By your logic, they would just stay there.

>>404191
Not him, so what do we do then?

>>404243
Keep pushing for /metav/. I don't know why people think nobody would go to a new board if its made but everyone seems to ignore how much everyone LOVES to be the first posters on any board. And if its a board of something they already talk about a lot, even more.

>>403829
Experience.
/soc/ exists but /b/ still has camwhore and rate threads.
/adv/ exists but /r9k/ still has advice threads.
/r/ and /wsr/ exist but people still make recommendation threads, homework help threads, etc on the other boards.

Some people would certainly move, but many would stay. After all, why should they move? It's you who has a problem with them posting on /v/, not them. You should also consider that many people don't read the rules or the announcements, and simply won't notice anything has changed.

You can remove the posts from /v/ with a serious mod crackdown, but is that really what you want? There *will* be threads deleted and people banned who shouldn't be. And the crackdown can't be a temporary thing, or the threads will just come back.

>>404310
>You can remove the posts from /v/ with a serious mod crackdown, but is that really what you want?
Uhh yeah its what we want. Have you even seen how bad /v/ is and how badly it needs help? You do make good points, but we need a solution to fix /v/ to shutdown shitposting. If that means having to fore ably ban threads like LOL Comics, E-Celeb threads, and and GamerGate/SJW shit and moving it to another board than so be it

>>404339
Then you should be discussing the rule you want to add to /v/, and how it would likely be enforced. What's the specific criteria for something to be banned?

>>404346
Anything and everything off topic. That means:

>Ban anyone saying "Go back to Reddit" or any kind of Reddit spam.
>Ban and remove LOL Comics and E-Celebs. They are breeding grounds for cancer and underage faggots
>Stop the war between weeaboos and westacucks. Anyone calling a weeaboo or anime fan a pedophile on /v/ should be banned. This war is party why /v/ is shit.
>Stop the fucking shitposting and derailing of threads
>Get better moderators. These mods do not care about /v/, and thus have let threads that have porn in them hit the bump limit numerous times already.
>Remove talk about SJW, GamerGate, Censorship, and move it somewhere else, make it force-ably move to /trash/, which the mods seemingly gave up doing because they don't care
>Downsize /v/. The board is way too massive right now, and its impossible to moderate it properly. Certain things like I mentioned either need to be removed or they need to be moved to /trash/
>Make a giant ass sticky saying what is and isn't allowed on /v/
>Fire the mods who have Nintendo biases. They have been known to delete any criticisms of Nintendo in the past and ban people for it

So the more I think about it, yeah a /metav/ would work out, you would just need a serious mod crackdown

>>404354
>Stop the war between weeaboos and westacucks. Anyone calling a weeaboo or anime fan a pedophile on /v/ should be banned. This war is party why /v/ is shit.

We should also ban anyone from /a/ who insults Naruto or Cowboy Bebop, or calls anyone a "/v/ermin."

/v/ has a right to self-moderate, just like /a/. Don't get pissy just because they don't want what you personally like.


>Remove talk about SJW, GamerGate, Censorship, and move it somewhere else, make it force-ably move to /trash/, which the mods seemingly gave up doing because they don't care

Censorship is video game discussion. Again, you're getting pissy because something you don't personally like is being discussed.


Some of the rest of that is okay, but
>serious mod crackdown
is the worst idea imaginable. Nazi modding is shit, and always has been. It kills boards.

>>403548
>REDDIT! REDDIT!
>MUH REDDIT!
>ITS REDDIT! REDDITS HERE! REEEEE

SomethingAwful tier

>>403254
See, this is why there needs to be /vi/ and /vc/ boards, not just one /metav/

/vc/
>Threads about reviews
>Threads that throwback features from games (A.K.A ">X game Y Thing happens" threads
>Video game humor threads
>Waifu threads
>Threads about Speedrunners, streamers, etc.
>General recommendation threads ("what game is better for X or Y)

/vi/
>News about not yet released games
>News about not yet released consoles
>Console wars and news about new video game markets
>Threads about developers, voice actors, artists, programmers, etc.


And move threads from /v/ to one of those boards

>>404310
>but /b/ still
Woah there buddy. We're talking about /b/. I don't think expecting things from /b/ is a healthy thing to do.
>adv/ exists but /r9k/ still has advice threads
You wish. Go ahead and look at /r9k/'s catalog like that. You would long an advice thread there
>/r/ and /wsr/
Come on now son, does it really surprise you that anons have requests in their respective boards rater than in /r/ or /wsr/?

>Some people would certainly move, but many would stay. After all, why should they move?
Do you really see people trying to be that toxic after /metav/ is made? Do you actually picture a few threads staining /v/ saying "FUCK IT WELL STAY HERE, /v/ OFFICIAL SHITPOSTING THREAD". Could you honestly see that and not think its an obvious false flag? Do you honestly see a thread like that surviving more than 12 posts? Like this anon said >>404296 whenever a new board is made, the natural reaction is to leave and try to colonize it and claim it, not latching to their former boards.

>>404371
What? Why? Why can't culture and industry co-exist? Don't confuse the opposition more than it already is anon. /metav/ is all we need.

>>404374
>>but /b/ still
>Woah there buddy. We're talking about /b/. I don't think expecting things from /b/ is a healthy thing to do.
/b/ is what you get without a mod crackdown.

>>adv/ exists but /r9k/ still has advice threads
>You wish. Go ahead and look at /r9k/'s catalog like that. You would long an advice thread there
This was just the first page, I'm not going to go through the whole catalog:
>>>/r9k/25575185
>>>/r9k/25574315
>>>/r9k/25574621

>>/r/ and /wsr/
>Come on now son, does it really surprise you that anons have requests in their respective boards rater than in /r/ or /wsr/?
No.

>Do you really see people trying to be that toxic after /metav/ is made? Do you actually picture a few threads staining /v/ saying "FUCK IT WELL STAY HERE, /v/ OFFICIAL SHITPOSTING THREAD".
Whoa there, you seriously need to work on putting yourself in other people's shoes. Are they called "/v/ official shitposting threads" now? No, because they think that censorship of games is a legitimate topic for /v/, not "shitposting."

>>404433
>/b/ is what you get without a mod crackdown.
Yeah, no shit. That's kind of the point of /b/
>This was just the first page, I'm not going to go through the whole catalog:
You think this constitutes as an advice thread? Jesus...
>Whoa there, you seriously need to work on putting yourself in other people's shoes. Are they called "/v/ official shitposting threads" now? No, because they think that censorship of games is a legitimate topic for /v/, not "shitposting."
That's exactly my point. You'd struggle to find an example of something too blatantly negative that took on itself to prove the entire concept of the new board wrong without looking like blatant bait.

>another /v/ split
no

>>404440
It's bound to happen. Hiro already sorted "Video games" as its own category.

>>404367
>We should also ban anyone from /a/ who insults Naruto or Cowboy Bebop, or calls anyone a "/v/ermin."
>/v/ has a right to self-moderate, just like /a/. Don't get pissy just because they don't want what you personally like.

4chan is a anime site, faglord. If you get upset about anything anime here, you don't belong

>>404367
>Nazi modding is shit, and always has been. It kills boards.
That's the point, you stupid nigger

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>>404296
>file deleted

>>404465
Woah edgy

>>396591
I'll say it as frequently as I can /v/ has more sub boards than any other sfw image board on 4chan. You have /v/, /vg/, /vp/, and /vr/ that's a total of 4 boards, no other boards that is not a porn board has that many subboards.

You have enough, learn to live with what you got instead of trying to divide into further niche communities

>>404830
/v/ is the second largest board. This would probably sound rude but you can't really compare the case of nsfw boards having one or two splits with the case of /v/. Of course it seems ridiculous to you. Every outsider (that is, every non-/v/irgin) doesn't know what /v/ is going through. I've been through every new split of /v/ and each time /v/ gets split it makes more sense in the longrun. I believe this new board has been long overdue. If long had stayed long enough I'm pretty sure he would have considered this option himself.

>>404367
>/v/ has a right to self-moderate, just like /a/. Don't get pissy just because they don't want what you personally like.
How would you like it if your thread or a thraed you like got derailed by shitposting because they don't like anime? This happens all the fucking time. Also self moderation works for /a/ because unlike /v/, the mods actually do their jobs.

>Censorship is video game discussion. Again, you're getting pissy because something you don't personally like is being discussed.
Not when its spammed 24/7 and the threads devolve into shitposting. I don't think you've been on /v/ at all in the last year

>>404440
Yes. See >>404371

>>404864
>>404440
Woops, I meant >>403254

>>404897
That's all we want in the end. Fucking idiot mods could fix all this if they did their damn jobs correctly

>>405210
But of course they won't because /v/ mods are the most laziest, most incompetent retards I have ever seen. With /tv/ you know its swaglord purposely trying to ruin it because he hates it. With /v/, its different because its proof the mods don't care about it at all. They don't do their jobs, they don't delete obvious shitposting threads, they don't delete threads filled with porn in them, and they ban anyone who talks shit about Nintendo.

>>405276
This. Please Hiro, do something nice for /v/ for a change and just make /metav/ already.

>>405438
Even if Hiro creates /metav/ both boards will be shit if the moderation issue isn't fixed.

>>405571
That's the problem. We need this moderation solved, and we need more and better moderators for that. So far Hiro has done nothing

i'll take more effective and consistent moderation over another fucking split. i swear to god half the decent threads on that board end up deleted.
also ban all console wars fags, that shit is fucking annoying and it's half the fucking board.

>>405641
And tis not gonna change until Hiro fucking realizes we need better mods for /v/. You also sadly do have downsize /v/ significantly. Censorship talks can stay, but they need to be monitored and posts that are clearly shitposts need to be deleted.

>>405941
>Censorship talks can stay, but they need to be monitored and posts that are clearly shitposts need to be deleted.
That requires way too much thread babysitting.

>>405942
No it doesn't. It requires /v/ermin to pull their head of their arses and to actually use the report feature

>>405947
Yeah like that would ever happen

>>405956
It is very much possible

I don't want new boards. I want board specific mods to be added to the 4chan moderation roster. Let a few longtime (2-3 years or more?) janitors with good records be board specific mods. Experiment on a board with lower traffic for a little while, and then slowly move onto larger boards from there if it works out well. A more complex hierarchy of the moderation team could end up being part of what 4chan needs.

>>406019
The old mods don't want that. They want to keep their power

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>>396591
just replace every singel mod on veeeeee

>>406376
Board-specific mods would just be janitors with the ability to warn and ban people. Global mods would still have more power.

>>406019
>Let a few longtime (2-3 years or more?) janitors with good records be board specific mods
>A more complex hierarchy of the moderation team could end up being part of what 4chan needs.

It's a bit more complicated than that. Trust me when I say that strict moderation sounds beautiful. I don't think anyone here is against that, but you're depending on the human factor for this to work. You see, the mods are not machines, they are not an abstract infallible solution to the issues on /v/. At best, the mods would do their work and keep the board as on topic as they can, but the backlash from both semi-off topic and completely on topic threads being deleted slowly makes the mod more laxed just to keep the general status quo "peace" intact. This is also why giving a mod or a mod team complete control over the board would cause an ever greater power struggle, potential status abuse and an even greater backlash. If we want the mods to have a reason to crack down on moderation as they should, then we should give them an userbase they would be interested in caring about. Only by having the /v/irgins split from the /metav/irgins would the mod understand when is it ok or not to delete a thread with no hesitation. With no backlash or attempts to shitpost back as retaliation. In other words, moderation IS the answer, but if the mods themselves see no end to these topics, and they are seen as incompetent as a result of a divisive way of discussing video games in 4chan, then there's not much they can do. After all, it's not like the mods are waiting for Hiro to tap on their shoulders and remind them to do their job or something. Saying things like "All we need is nazi moderation" and as mentioned before, it depends on human beings, not magically asking for something to happen.

>>406430
I know. The single greatest issue with 4chan is the majority of the userbase. The way this website is seen from outside its walls is another huge problem. 4chan has the internet reputation of being a shock culture, shitpost infested, garbage pile of the internet, so anyone new to 4chan believes they are expected to act like a completely idiotic asshole, and every opportunity. And much of the preexisting userbase has decided to act like idiots at every turn as well. It just keeps tumbling down, and kept down, because people believe that's what 4chan SHOULD be! People need to open their eyes, and see that they themselves make 4chan such a disappointing pace for everyone else and themselves. You have to want to be liked, to be liked.

>>406430
Its not going to be easy though. Too many mods abuse their power given to them. For example /d/'s mod destroyed the board, /tg/ was ruined thanks to a rouge mod, /v/ is shit because of mods not caring, /tv/ is being ruined because a mod hates it.

We have some of the worst mods on here. Some of them need to get fired. You make great points though, a split would actually help a lot and show the mods what is and isn't shit

Fix /v/irgins first before talking about more boards or more moderation.

>>406460
You need more moderation/better moderation to drive out the shitposters

>>406430
>Only by having the /v/irgins split from the /metav/irgins would the mod understand when is it ok or not to delete a thread with no hesitation. With no backlash or attempts to shitpost back as retaliation
Your deluded. The mods already know what to delete and always do it without hesitation. They just can't be arsed. Also, there will always be a giant backlash. In actual fuck, your /metav/ will fucking have a larger backlash and wave on the site than nazi modding /v/ ever could have. You are attempting to split the second largest board, /again/ and to free it from shitposting topic. No one will like this change and the board split won't change anything. No one will use the new board except ggniggers and people will continue to shitpost in /v/, even with the previous topics. The only thing the new board does is make a board to redirect and another place for the mods to mod. And, in the long wrong, it'll shit up the rest of the site just like fucking /r9k/, /b/, /v/ and /pol/ because the only people the board will have is stupid retards who'll spread its retard culture elsewhere and bring in more retards

New boards aren't a solution to anything, it's always a cheap copout to avoid the actual problem. /vg/ is the best fucking example of this. It should of never been made, generals should of just been banned

>>406565
Then what should be done? We need to save /v/ somehow, but no one has a fucking clue on what to do. The mods are useless as fuck

>>406569
By getting the mods to do their fucking jobs. No, they aren't useless as fuck. That's not for you to decide, that's for Hiro to decide. Instead of asking for cheap copouts that won't fix anything and only gives a safe haven to stupid niggers, do the actual solutions first. If it kills the board? Who the fuck cares. The mods are doing their job and at that point what it needs is people to enforce old 4chan culture on the board. Aka, the very lovely extremely hated /a/ 'elitsm'. At that point, as long as the mods do their job and encourage that culture, the board will regrow fine. If that doesn't happen? You still kill off a good portion of its userbase. And, again, the mods and user need to encourage that old 4chan culture. Until you've tried this shit, which is the simplest shit in the world, yet the most effective, you don't try all the copout shit.

The mods WILL fucking do it, because Hiro will fucking tell them to if you convince him. Simple as that. You can't say the mods can't and won't do their job if you haven't even fucking tried. A new board won't fix anything. It'll be made. But what after that? Nothing. The mods won't do anything, Hiro won't do anything and the users won't do anything. Users will use the new board and shitpost it to hell and said users will continue to use /v/ and shitpost it to hell. The mods won't be moderating /v/ and they won't even bother with the /metav/. Even if you nazi /v/ after, your new board will still effect it because of how close the 2 boards are, they will share the same userbase. So, /v/ will still be in a shit state as before, because it's users still are stupid niggers.

A new board is just saying to the people you dislike 'you are welcomed here and we like you so much we will even give you your own board have fun!'

>>406560
Shitposters constantly evade in search of bait and (you)s. /v/ has to stop feeding and paying attention to them.

>>406585
The mods haven't' been doing their jobs on /v/ at all! They leave up countless off topic threads, they ban anyone talking shit about Nintendo, and they generally don't' care about /v/ at all. And do you really expect Hiro to actually tell the mods to do their jobs better?

>>406717
Nice reading comprehension

>>406565
>Your deluded
>should of just been

Are you iliterate or just shitposting?

>>406565
>The mods already know what to delete and always do it without hesitation. They just can't be arsed
Uhh, yeah? That's exactly what I said in my last post
>our /metav/ will fucking have a larger backlash
On /qa/. Maybe. Surely a thread or two.Eh
>>406565
>No one will like this change and the board split won't change anything. No one will use the new board except ggniggers and people will continue to shitpost in /v/, even with the previous topics. The only thing the new board does is make a board to redirect and another place for the mods to mod. And, in the long wrong, it'll shit up the rest of the site just like fucking /r9k/, /b/, /v/ and /pol/ because the only people the board will have is stupid retards who'll spread its retard culture elsewhere and bring in more retards
Wow. You must really believe this. I thought you were just shitposting but now I kinda feel bad about you.
>New boards aren't a solution to anything, it's always a cheap copout to avoid the actual problem.
Dude, this isn't an intervention, it's just a petition to create another board. Calm down my man.

>>406585
This guy is really dense isn't he?

>>406585
>The mods are doing their job and at that point what it needs is people to enforce old 4chan culture on the board

But they don't. That's the whole point. Do you think they are waiting for you to tell them to be active to do so? Come on man, don't be so naive.

>The mods WILL fucking do it, because Hiro will fucking tell them to if you convince him. Simple as that

This is sad. I've already told you the mods aren't machines. They are not this sailsafe concept that works on its own.

What if the reason the mods avoid /v/ is because they don't play video games

>>399628
Nobody cares about how popular anime is.

As I explained in another thread, its the mentality of /v/ that is the problem. /v/ always has to turn everything into an "Us vs Them" argument, its why console wars are so prelevant and why you are trying to blame it on /a/.

/a/ has a far better community but the simple fact is I still enjoy video games and see no reason to post on the anime board when I'm discussing. But some how /v/ has got it in their head that games like Atelier, Neptunia and SK which are in fact video games, belong on /a/. They don't, the belong on /v/ regardless of peoples opinion on video games.

>>406875
>Atelier, Neptunia and SK
Only the dumbest of people and trolls think video games belong on /a/.

My complaint against those threads is that people need to start talking about the games in them. If you're not talking about the games, then you're doing something wrong. No, posting ecchi and endless lewd talk is not video games. That's basically roleplay, and making yourself look like an idiot.

>>406460
>Fix /v/irgins first before talking about more boards or more moderation.
Thats kind of the point.of the new board: to redefine what a /v/irgin is.

>>406722
Stop ignoring the issue at hand faggot.

>>406875
That's what pisses me off. They are video games, but /v/ is so filled with westacucks they really fucking believe that

>>406920
So then why do other off topic threads stay up for hours without getting deleted?

I honestly don't know what to do anymore with /v/. Virtually no one here has a solid plan in place. every single idea has major cons to it.

>>396591
http://www.4chan.org/feedback

We'll be hitting the bump limit soon, so I guess start planning out a new "Lets actually try and come up with ways to fix /v/ that we can all agree on" thread

>>407245
Yeah too bad the mods ignore that feature

>>407214
Those other off-topic threads should be deleted as well. Maybe people on /v/ simply refuse to report things most of the time.

>>407262
Read the rules, properly understand them, and then report things that really need to go. Focus on threads that often attract shitposting and porn. If you see a thread about a game that often attracts shitposting and porn, go into the thread and report the buggers. If the thread looks to be beyond saving, make sure you report the OP as well. Basically, become a backseat janitor. Just make sure you don't say you reported someone. Find the garbage, silently report it, and move on. Everyone should start doing these things.

The mods and janitors need to step up their game as well.

>>407216
Same here, I'm still redpilled on the new board idea tho. The cons of it are the lesser of two evils

>>407426
Your idea would work...on /a/. On /v/ it rarely, rarely works because the mods and janitors are fucking lazy asses. Also idiots don't know how to report because no one thinks to use the little fucking arrow

>>407268
The last post was on September of last year. And there is literally a board suggestion feature. I also recall them removing a post filter on /f/ some time last year because swfchan links were marked as spam because of their frequency. Users on the board were encouraged to use that form, so if enough people add something to the feedback there should at least be a post there to address that topic.

>>407464
I'm beginning to think the only way to make /v/ better is to give it 50+ active janitors and a few board specific mods. /v/ needs to be babysat, because most people there seem to have the mindset of a child anyway. /v/ is full of underage, YouTube-game-watching, porn-addicted, dumb-ass, meme-spouters with very poor judgment. If /v/, and video game discussion on 4chan, is to improve, the userbase needs to improve. The only way to encourage that is by babysitting them and banning the idiots who refuse to make something better of themselves.The moderation and the userbase need to work together. New boards won't solve the problem if the people interested in the subject are going to act like fools anyway. They'll act like children on any board that is of interest to them, and they won't stop going to the boards that interest them.

>>407513
Mods are not gonna want to babysit /v/ though. We don't have enough mods for that. And who's to say these jannies won't have a bias towards certain things? Hiro needs to hire more mods for one

>>407212
No, you are the one ignoring the issue at hand. You've decided to declare the mods can't and won't do their job, no matter what. So you've decided that site decisions should be made without care for the moderation. Except, this site is incapable of running without decent moderation, as /v/ has clearly fucking shown.

The mods don't mod /v/ because they can't, they do it because they don't care about /v/ and don't like /v/'s fucking userbase. On top of that, if memory serves me well, people who modded /v/ was restricted and moot was one of the few people who modded it. So, on top of the care, very few mods have any experience with touching /v/. You are the one avoiding the issue. You just don't like the mods, so you don't want to even try and fix the issue and would rather tip toe around it. If Hiro tells the mods to do something/not so something, they will listen. Simple as fucking that. Modding a board wouldn't be that hard with numbers and on top of that, once its obvious the mods are doing their job, people will use the report feature. Keep living in your 'mods = cuck' delusion, 8gagger. I'm going to live in 'mods= fags' and beat up the fuckers like it always has happened

>>407520
And there in lies the problem: moot was such a fucking paranoid retard he felt he and only one other mod could properly babysit /v/. He is partly to blame for /v/'s mess, but its also the other mods fault for not stepping up and trying to fix it. And if you've been on there at all recently, you will have noticed that:

1. Anime game threads like Senran Kagura and Neptunia are deleted, while off topic threads like LOL Comics and E-Celebs stay up.
2. These same anime game threads get shitposted on by westacucks who hate weeaboos. And what do the mods do? They purge the entire thread instead of deleting the shitposters
3. The mods have seemingly kept up porn threads before for longer than an hour before even deleting it.
4. They only step in when its someone talking about GamerGate or Nintendo. That shows the mods have a massive bias and only do their jobs when they seem something they personally don't like.

And yes if Hiro actually told the mods to moderate /v/ better maybe then things could change. Instead Hiro has done nothing and I bet he probably doesn't even know how to get in contact with the mods cause moot I bet never told him. Also I love how you claim I'm from 8Gag simply because I am criticizing how bad of a job the mods are doing. When you have someone named swaglord as a mod who is purposely trying to destroy /tv/, well you wonder why people hate the mods on here?

People can and will keep hating them because they are all still moot's friends, and anyone associated with moot needs to go. We needs mods who have no connections to him at all.

>>407516
At least mods and janitors that actually care about video games, for sure.

>>407520
>mods don't like /v/'s userbase
Can we really lay all the blame them for disliking most of /v/? Look at most of the people that play video games. Look at most of the games themselves. I can see why the many of the mods might dislike the userbase.

>>407522
>We needs mods who have no connections to him at all.
I don't know about that...Doing so could easily make 4chan fell like something else entirely at its core. People will always hate mods on any website, and for just about any reason. And not least of all because they have power over something they like. If you have power over something, you will be hated by someone for holding that power. I don't hate the mods. I dislike that the fact that /v/ is so awful. And I blame the people that use it more than the people that don't.

>>407532
I hate /v/ for its shit userbase AND the mods who don't bother to at least try and clean it up

>>407532
>At least mods and janitors that actually care about video games, for sure.
I mean how hard can it be for Hiro to find people like that? I just want people who know what the fuck they're doing and can properly moderate a site without showing any bias towards a subject.

>>407555
>moderate a site without showing any bias towards a subject.
Everybody has preferences, so it's human nature that would get in the way. I would rather have people that act like people as mods over people that don't act like people.

Bump limit has now been reached. Next thread if anyone makes it should be about why we're struggling to reach a solution. Also talk and mention the mods on /v/

>>407560
Well again the mods need to do their job. The main problem was that moot refused to let any other mod moderate /v/. He had to babysit /v/. He only trusted one other guy to help him. It was because of moot's faggotry that /v/ is in the state its in because the mods simply don't know how to moderate it, thus they either don't care, are too lazy, or just delete anything they don't like.

>>407565
OP here. Understood. I'll make a new thread. Also

To anyone in this thread, thank you for your discussion. Even if you don't agree with the new board, I'm glad to see there's enough anons who care about /v/'s well being.

>>407584
I don't know if a new board at this point would help. I mean yes I am for it, but the problem would be the shitposters still stay in /v/ and don't leave. Moderation is the biggest issue plaguing /v/ and Hiro has done nothing about it

>>407522
>paranoid
It's more he just didn't want to deal with shit. In his end years, it was he was losing interest due to the constant shit he was getting and the fact the site went in a completely different direction then originally intended. Moderating /v/ was the easiest why to cause a constant stream of shit, simply because it's userbase has always been god awful loud idiots.

Hiro isn't doing anything, because he never intended to. Just like with his old site, he's leaving everything up to everyone else. Plus, he is having internet issues. Also, the fact you think he doesn't have contact with the mods shows you dn't follow the goings of the site and didn't even read Hiro's fucking Q&A. He's had contact with the mods since day fucking one.

>and anyone associated with moot needs to go
And here is even bigger reason to call you 8gag. I called you it because you did nothing but complaining about the mods for no reason. There is nothing wrong with the moot crew and they clearly know what they are fucking doing. You just clearly don't like moot and think everything about him is bad, faggot

>>407555
>I mean how hard can it be for Hiro to find people like that
Finding people who will actually do the job right is not very easy. Even more so for a fucking anon image board that has large size, finding actual quality mods and jannys isn't easy.

>>407591
>There is nothing wrong with the moot crew and they clearly know what they are fucking doing
/d/, /tv/, /v/, /m/, /aco/, /sp/, /r9k/, and [s4s] say otherwise. moot's team are corrupt as fuck. You never read the leaked IRC logs did you? If you did you would know how bad they are at their fucking jobs. And I don't give a shit if moot didn't want to deal with it. He could have left at any time and sold it off, but he didn't back then. He has no one to blame but himself for acting like an idiot

Hiro has been having internet issues for what, almost a fucking month now? How hard is it to fix his fucking internet? He needs to just get someone to fix it.

>Finding people who will actually do the job right is not very easy. Even more so for a fucking anon image board that has large size, finding actual quality mods and jannys isn't easy.
There's a lot of people, specially oldfags and people who actually use the report feature that could do a much better job than these current mods ever could. Hiro just needs to open searching up and applications. But he also needs to fire the mods who are known to be corrupted, like swaglord and kittenmod.

>Hiro isn't doing anything, because he never intended to. Just like with his old site, he's leaving everything up to everyone else
Too bad for him he knows now how bad things are and how badly people hate the mods on here. Its not 2channel were the Japs just obeyed their moderator overlords. All I can say about Hiro is that at least he seems to care and that we wants to make changes

>>407598
>leaked IRC logs
There is no way to know for sure if those are real or not, so stop bringing them up as if they are a perfect example of what 4chan management is like. Using information that is not guaranteed is not a just method of accusation.

>>407598
The mods have always been corrupt as fuck, you stupid fuck. Of course I didn't read the irc leaks. Why I bother sifting through so much garbage just so I could cheery pick? Chances are a good portion of it is probably fake as well. There is nothing backing up those stupid things, so I can dismiss them without proof as well. The mods have always been corrupt and always will be. That's why mods = fags and user moderation has long since been a thing. It's because the mods ARE fags and do what they want. So the users are required to moderate the site as well and the admin just reins the mods in to ensure they do their fucking job. There is no reason to replace the moot mods with a exception of one or two faggots.

No, getting new mods and jannys for the site isn't easy. Getting unbiased people who won't just sperg out and do the same shit as nipple mod is hard. Most people have a ideal of how the site should be. People who don't enforce that ideal aren't easy to come by.

>Hiro has been having internet issues for what, almost a fucking month now? How hard is it to fix his fucking internet? He needs to just get someone to fix it.
So, basically, you are admitting to be a fucking retard who doesn't even follow the basic goings of the site? He's on mobile internet, you stupid monkey. If you want to give an opinion on how the site should flow, at least keep up with the big goings.

Too bad for you, the admin of the site isn't required to do anything. People like you who act like you have some sort of right to the site and that the admin should do shit, are annoying as fuck. You have only privileges and the admins only job is to keep the site afloat, everything else is done out of giving a fuck. Before you open your mouth next time, keep this in mind and realize you don't get to demand anything, you are just simply sucking his dick to get what you want. 4chan isn't for free speech

>>407608
Oh for fucks sake stop living in denial. Those logs are 100% legit real. Do you really think someone took the time and effort to fake all that?

>>407617
Doesn't he have a computer of his own? How the fuck is he supposed to run a site on a cell phone?

The more I read your post the more I realize you might be a mod, seeing as you're doing your damnedest to defend them and brushing shit off by saying "B-BUT THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN FAGS SO ITS TOTALLY NORMAL"!

>>407671
No, I'm not a mod. I'm being a neutral faggot using his fucking head. The mods aren't the fucking problem, the users are. The mods are just simply apart of the problem. Replacing the mods won't fix anything, and if anything will make shit worse

>>407670
>Do you really think someone took the time and effort to fake all that?
Ok, you must be new. The effort people go to, to just simply fucking troll people is fucking amazing. Yes, its incredibly fucking likely those things are fake and a troll. Without something solid, there is nothing to prove they are real and are just assumptions. Using them for arguments is retarded

>>407678
I've seen them and a majority of others have seen them. They are legit. You cannot possibly fake 2 years worth of IRC logs, it can't be done. And why are the mods deleting them? If they were fake they wouldnt' have an issue would they? Instead they delete them as soon as anyone posts anything from the IRC logs.

Face it faggot, they're real. Stop living in la la land and wake up

>>407676
And you honestly believe keeping someone like swaglord around is going to FIX this site? Are you stupid or something? We need new mods. The mods we have are too few in numbers to moderate all the boards. There's no board specific mod, and that itself is a fucking problem to the highest degree. Mods need to made board specific for now on. They are assigned the board they like the most. How hard is it? Oh wait moot didn't want to do that because "Muh bringing the community together" excuse.

>>407676
Also you didn't answer my question on why the fuck Hiro is using his fucking phone to admin this place? Where is his real computer?

>>407880
>And you honestly believe keeping someone like swaglord around is going to FIX this site
> There is no reason to replace the moot mods with a exception of one or two faggots.
You sure do love to intentionally not read things and forget shit to try and enforce your argument I'm wrong, retard. A better reason as to why they aren't board specific, is because that requires fucking hiring more, which means more effort is required to fucking keep check. There is nothing wrong with fucking global mods in the first place. There wasn't ever any need for board specific mods except in recent times when everything started falling apart. Board specifics have always been been a nice idea, but never needed. Bringing together the community is important you stupid nigger. Each post you make just shows that you care less about shit and its more you just plain and simply didn't like moot.

>And why are the mods deleting them?
Because people report them and it's shitposting? A small portion of it may be real and have personal information and the rest is fake? How about you stop living in fucking lala tinfoil land and believe anything people fucking throw at you. It doesn't even fucking matter if they are real, without something to prove they are, using them to prove anything makes you a fucking idiot. Because, again, anything asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

>You cannot possibly fake 2 years worth of IRC logs, it can't be don
This one is fucking cute and funny. You really don't understand the fucking lengths people go to fucking troll do you? It's very fucking possible and very fucking likely

>>407887
Because I'm not answering that shit, you stupid fucking idiot. Why would I answer shit you should already fucking know? It's only occurred within the recent months. If you don't fucking already know why, I'm not fucking telling you, you out of the loop faggot. Use the archive

New thread >>408006