>Background on why people are mad about /d/
On /d/, you had lots of niche fetish threads that used western and eastern art equally, because many fetishes are super specific and don't have a lot of art in general.
Western art was always permitted, even though the mods occasionally went nuts and deleted it. Eventually they added a rule against it, and people got mad (because no one wanted that rule except them) and kept posting it, so the mods stopped enforcing it.
It's been that way for at least 6 years now, and everything has been chill.
When /aco/ was made the mods started violently purging everything western, and a lot of things that weren't. This included Japanese art of what their bans called "western fetishes."
Now /d/ has an influx of trolls trying to get everything banned on a technicality for being not Japanese enough. Mods are also deleting things like writing threads, or fetishes they just don't like. /d/ is now much slower because most users have been chased off, and content has been limited.
At the same time, /aco/ covers a lot of content, since its everything that isn't Japanese. Niche fetish threads get lost in the shuffle there, and big ones get shitposted by more vanilla people.
Basically it's a huge disaster caused by mods trying to enforce something they want and the community never did.
And the dickgirl thing is that futa gets spammed in half the threads on /d/. The catalog is full of futa threads that get one post every week or so, and has incredibly specific subjects like "futa not doing anything" and "politically incorrect futa," just to keep the catalog full.
Many threads specify that they don't want futa posted in their thread, and most end up getting spammed with futa. /d/'s reputation as a futa board is something that's only existed for a few years, as older users were chased off by spam.
/d/ is no more for dickgirls than /v/ is for Fallout or /tv/ is for Star Wars. It's on topic, but its something that gets spammed a lot. People are asking for a separate futa board to separate the two mutually exclusive sets of posters.
/d/ is a board that gets ignored a lot because it's a porn board, and it's caused a lot of problems that need to be remedied.
Futa chased people off for years, but /d/ was still able to get by.
Once western art got banned the board tanked instantly. I think the last thread from September finally got archived not long ago.
I quite agree the futa spamming is out of hand. /d/ is fully named "Alternative Hentai," meaning a board for types of J-pron deemed too extreme for the Hentai board. The funny thing is, quite a few of the fetishes deemed extreme are actually fairly vanilla (gender bending/Rule 63, body swaps, pregnancy) compared to the futa spam, and are regularly used as a plot device in anime and manga, plus ecchi and hentai. Even monstergirls are now becoming mainstream.
Maybe instead of separating /d/ and /aco/, make a fetish board for non-futa/shemale niches that welcomes both western and eastern art. And rename /d/ to something other than "Alternative Hentai."
This doesn't address the problem of the spam, it just banishes it to its own board. None of this would be a problem if the mods would just do something about the spammers. Even people who like futa want them gone. Do you think any sane person really wants separate threads for "blue hair futa", "red hair futa", and "green hair futa"? No, that's fucking stupid.
A group of people who are on a misguided crusade to either prop up their favorite fetish or divide the board (depending on whether you think the spammers are morons or false-flaggers) have been slow-motion shitposting on /d/ for years now, and the mods just sit by watching and banning discussion and story threads that nobody had a problem with. I don't think we actually have any mods with a vested interest in keeping /d/ running smooth, they just show up for monthly purges of their least favorite topics and let janitors handle report cues.
Hey one simply can't stop the spammers, unless you banish them to their own board. If /d/ is really for /d/ickgirls, then make it such, and make a board for REAL Alternative Hentai. I don't even mind tentacle porn if futa is left out.
They could be stopped or at least banned repeatedly, but it would require a mod to actually spend some time on /d/, something which I have yet to see evidence occurs.
Plus, like I said, actual futa fans (of which there are quite a few) can't stand the futa spammers either so locking us in a board with them would be unacceptable to me. We'd be letting the terrorists win.
I'm still not convinced that the "futa-spammer(s)" isn't just a long-term, false-flag ploy by either one guy or a small group aiming to get futa shunted to it's own board. Stranger things have happened.
>They could be stopped or at least banned repeatedly, but it would require a mod to actually spend some time on /d/, something which I have yet to see evidence occurs.
Several dozen posts deleted every day.
this. The mods are VERY active on /d/, especially now.
Try posting a meta thread. It's deleted in seconds. Yet 50+ futa threads are a-ok.
To put that in perspective, look at how /v/ responded to all the Undertale, Metal Gear, and Fallout threads. Or look at how Star Wars negatively affected /tv/. When things are spammed and take up an entire board, it's a huge problem for the community. We've been undergoing that for YEARS.
Maybe if the mods really brought the hammer down and kept it to one or two futa threads for a while, people would relax a little. Right now there are at least 2 "oversized futa" threads on /d/. Why do we need 2 threads for the same topic?
And they're both being propped up by one post or two per day, just keeping them at the top of the board. That's not how people who are actually interested in the thread post. When I start or contribute to a thread, I post everything relevant I've got all at once. If the thread hits the image limit, so what? If there's interest someone will start new thread. Normal people don't keep a thread on life support for months doling out one pic at a time, but every futa thread on /d/ ends up that way.
I don't even participate in futa threads on /d/ any more because I know some spammer will keep it going long after it should have died. Either the mods truly just don't care, or this behavior has their approval.
There's an undeniable attempt by a lot of posters to intentionally fill the board with futa. On any other board, doing the same thing would get you banned, or at least result in thread deletion.
Like you said, though, that results in a lot of treads with little to no content. So it's bad for the people who want futa threads, and the ones who don't.
There's also the fact that a lot of posters try to derail other threads with futa.
>aiming to get futa shunted to it's own board
I don't really like futa, but I can't really see that as a bad thing. One of main argument for their being so many futa threads is that people in other threads don't like it, so they have to go make a separate thread for futa. Giving futa fans space to spread out seems like the only way to solve it. Plus, then futa wouldn't have to share with any other fetishes.
This is why we need a non-futa alternative thread, that allows east and west threads. That way they can spam all they want, but the things people want other than futa can have a board where futa spam would be deleted/banned.
Why should they be allowed to spam all they want? Who does that benefit? Do you just not care about spam if it doesn't affect you?
And if we give in to this, what will be next? How long will somebody have to span endless variations of giantess/size content on the new non-futa board before we have to break that off too. What about a board just for gay alternative? Just vore? Just BBW?
You may say this is a slippery slope argument, but once people find out they can get their least favorite fetish banished to a separate board, mark my words, somebody else will try it.
People already do it on other boards though, all the time. It's what got /mlp/ made, and gets other stuff banned outright.
Futa gets protected. >>396201 at least gives the legit futa posters a safe space, and it prevents them from dumping in threads that don't want it.
If it were possible to go without creating a separate board, that would be fine, but history has shown us that there's a sizable portion of the futa community who will do anything in their power to run everyone else off.
The most common arguments for futa spam are that OPs don't want it in their threads, so the futa posters have to make a separate thread for it, and that futa is a "body type fetish," which necessitates a large amount of threads for various aspects of it. If those arguments are taken at face value, it proves that both the futa and non-futa communities have very different needs, and keeping them together only hurts both sides.
Now, I'll be the first to admit that I don't like futa, but if the futa posters were treated the same as the rest of the denezins of /d/, it would be a non issue. The problem is that there's a cluster of futa spammers who intentionally try to drive everyone else off, and the mods have openly defended them.
Honestly, at this point I'd rather a /fet/ board be made for both western and eastern fetishes, and leave /d/ to the spammers and the weeb mods. /d/'s community has been killed anyway.
>if the futa posters were treated the same as the rest of the denezins of /d/
>the mods have openly defended them.
This is the heart of the issue. Do you honestly think things will improve if the same mods who let this happen are in charge of two boards instead of one? Splitting the board a different way doesn't give us what we need: consistent moderation.
Maybe, only on /d/, OPs should be given the ability to delete images (or maybe even whole posts) in order to combat stuff like futa spam? If someone posts western in a thread where it's unwanted, or futa in a NO FUTA thread, give the OP the power to remove those.
It gives a bit of an opportunity to abuse things, but if an OP is overbearing that thread will just be abandoned, and if they're the only one propping it up maybe give the mods a reason to delete that thread?
Not a perfect idea, but I think it's better than what we have now.
The thing is that should be the mods' job, but they're actively hostile to the users in general. Of course they're not going to give up any power.
Of course, there's also the fact that it doesn't happen with any other fetish that Futa
Every once in a while, people will get picky about how fat is too fat in BBW threads and people will post stuff the OP clearly stated he didn't want just to spite him. Or somebody specifies a thread is for gentle femdom and somebody dumps a bunch of male rape anyways. It's not nearly as common with other fetishes, though.
Then again, futa threads suffer from spam too. Many times the OP specifies the thread to be only for a particular type of futa, for example "extreme size only ", and when the thread starts to die, spammers will post images not in any way relevant to the topic until the image limit is hit.
Many times I've wished I could delete posts not relevant to the thread, but I could see people abusing this if it was as simple as that. You'd essentially be giving people the power to censor anything they didn't like in their threads. Maybe it would work if they could only delete posts that were image-only, or they can't delete posts that are text-only, or maybe /d/ posters are just responsible enough to be trusted with such power (not likely).
>let's take a look at /d/ and see if it really has gone to shit
>at least 10+ of the ~90 images posted in the thread are from dA (which probably means it was made by a western artist)
>go into any other thread and you will likely see art from dA or are in english
you guys need to chill, there doesn't seem to be any KILL ALL GAIJIN mafia out to get you
At this point, it's less about western itself (as you said, it's snuck back in anyway and nobody's giving a shit as usual), it's about getting the NO WESTERN "rule" removed officially in order to accomplish two other things:
1. Re-merging the community so to restore /d/ to some level of what it was before this whole debacle.
2. To prevent shit like this from happening in the future.
You're ignoring the entire issue.
>back in October the mods did a mass banning of anything that arbitrarily didn't tickle their fancy against the will of the community. This made most of the community jump ship.
>This is not the first time this has happened. The "no western" rule was added ages after the board's creation specifically because the mods wanted it to be weeb only.
>Every other time this has happened, people waited out the mod's tantrum until things returned to normal. This time they haven't come back, and the board's entire community was wiped out.
And that's not all. /d/'s mods have a long reputation of deleting erotic lit threads and the like. They've been trying to snuff out /d/'s community for years because, in moot's own words, "people don't use porn boards for community."
Additionally, the massive slowdown in traffic has brought /d/'s other longtime issue to a head: futa now fills over half the board, in much the same way Star Wars fills /tv/. Not only is this behavior sanctioned by the mods, but it is encouraged. Any other fetish attempting to do the same thing would be swiftly dealt with.
There are porn dumps on /co/ right now, because /co/ says /aco/ is too full of /d/. /d/ users are on /co/ (many posting Japanese art) because /d/'s mods are now hostile to non-futa fetishes.
What we want is an overhaul of how /d/ is dealt with.
>The permanent removal of the "No Western" rule, returning /aco/ to being a Western /h/
>delete surplus futa threads and encourage them to consolidate like the other fetishes
>ceasing the deletion of writing and discussion threads/posts
/d/ has largely gone ignored by the administration of the board, and the mods have become fiercely territorial of it as its fallen into disrepair. This has gone on for too many years now. Something needs to be done.
>>/aco/ so bad that people still dump lewds on /co/
>Blame western /d/. Those faggots keep bumping their super specific fetishes once every couple hours, quality stuff gets bump limit and then eventually knocked off. Also the lack of quality control hurts the shit out of it.
>I blame the weeb mods on /d/. Eastern elitism is basically irrelevant on this site when /v/ and /b/ are the most popular boards.
>I know that, but most sfw boards aren't mostly nsfw topics. It's a minority in other sfw boards such as wsg and adv.
>So far what I've seen here is mostly sexual implications concerning cartoon characters. Isn't that what aco is meant for? Hell you can actually post your porn that you want from said cartoon character there too
>I understand what everyone is saying, however, now that aco exists, why are the sexual discussion threads still posted here?
>Since that stuff could, and should, go an aco, has moderation not gotten more strict here?
>Also, if I can be conceived that both boards should coexist, this thread will become a bugs bunny thread
>>Isn't that what aco is meant for?
>The only people who got what they wanted out of /aco/ are /d/ mods who wanted an excuse to ban fetishes they don't like.
>because /aco/ isn't for discussion, it's for sharing pornography.
There's been a lot of talk about going to the-site-that-must-not-be-named on both boards for a while now. There's already a board for a bunch of fetishes.
The problem is that people from 4chan are unwilling to go there because they're scared of a lack of traffic, which causes a lack of traffic.
>mfw troglodytes think porn boards can't have discussion as well
I've seen the same sentiment thrown around the whole site, too. Users insist that porn boards, generally /d/, are not for discussion. And they're not wrong, but not for the reasons you'd think.
/d/ has a reputation amongst those familiar with it of having overbearing moderation. /tg/'ss Weekend Smut Thread fought shitposters for over a month for fear of being sent to /d/ and having their work deleted like other writethreads. Of course, a couple weeks later, /d/ was split and the traffic slowed to a crawl.
Well, I did start a /taf/ board there. Starting with my fave subjects. Made a rule post (which can be edited), and I am the mod. Always welcome others. I even made the default username "deviant."
This is a damn shame, because while we would have been happy to have them, that they were afraid of being banished to "the dump board" is a but telling of where /d/ stands today. An image we should be eager to change, but while the mod's in power I dunno if we can.
/d/'s image right now on other boards among people who used to use it is that it's basically /trash/ but with overbearing mods.
The people who have never been there see it as a futa board, with scat thrown in.
/d/ was able to build a community, but there's a lot of bitter people who got chased away on this site, and there aren't a lot of people who don't already use /d/ who are willing to due to its reputation. Now it looks like the mods have permanently chased off a large part of that community, and there's no way for it to recover without actually making an effort. Which as we all know, 4chan mods think is beneath them.
That was the point he's making, but you're taking it wrong. He's basically saying how people percieve /d/, but also noting that perception is not reality.
The people who've never been there say this because they don't know any better, and it's why it's unlikely there'll be a real influx of new people to recover the people that have been lost unless an effort is made, which as has been said will likely not happen. Getting the old users back would be just as tough as-is, as well.
Yes, but people don't know that. See:
>why isn't there a /scat/? scat fetishists exist
>/b/ and /d/ exist
That's what people think of /d/, not the reality.
You're a real dumb nigger, aren't you? And /aco/ has just as much right to complain as we do. Their board suffered too, just not as badly.
>And /aco/ has just as much right to complain as we do. Their board suffered too
But /aco/ was created for a purpose and it is fullfilling it. Users of that board have no right to complain about the rules because the rules were there from the very first hour the board was created.
>They asked for a NWS /co/. They got a Western /d/.
And this still doesn't mean they're entitled to complain. People have been asking for a /quest/ board for years too and they got /wsr/ instead, does this means they should start shitting everywhere because they don't have a place to post quests? Fuck no.
>But /aco/ was created for a purpose and it is fullfilling it
Except it's not fulfilling it. NSFW's still being posted on /co/ at the same pace it was before, adult comics can't survive on /aco/ due to it being overrun by /d/ (due to a mod doing something absolutely retarded), and everything's where it was beforehand for the people who asked for /aco/, but now the mods have an excuse to troll the userbase.
>And this still doesn't mean they're entitled to complain.
If this is true, you're not entitled to complain either. People are using /qa/ to ask questions and get answers, which is what the board is for. Except the mods just want the site to burn, so they don't answer anything.
>People have been asking for a /quest/ board for years too and they got /wsr/ instead
The fuck are you on that you think this is a worthwhile statement for this topic?
And the only one who couldn't see this coming was the Mod who sold the worl/d/