You guys keep calling me liberal and leftist as if it's

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>>61243966
Being leftist is bad, your entire ideology is shit and fails every single time you have to consider it against other issues, it's totally fine in a vacuum but unfortunately when it's brought into a real world scenario it fails repeatedly over and over.

All humans are different, by genetics, culture, society and personality, we are not all capable of the same great things, some are just better or worse than others, one example would be the over representation of the Warrior Gene in blacks and another could be that people of higher intelligence have intelligent children showing the inheritance of these traits. We're not all equal

You're right about the gender shit.

Gun control needs to be dealt with on a country by country basis.

The governments are shit, I wouldn't say they're under control, they're just full of spastics.

I fundamentally do not care at all about any refugees, I have said time and time again that Europes external borders should be maintained by autonomous 30mm grenade launchers firing air burst rounds. They should be bombed more frequently with significantly larger bombs.

>>61244220
>Being leftist is bad, your entire ideology is shit
I didn't say i was a leftist, but as soon as i start talking about equality, everyone just call me that.
>people of higher intelligence have intelligent children
This is where i say it's just as much based on environment.
>Gun control needs to be dealt with on a country by country basis
True, but i think background checks, psychological profiles and criminal records wouldn't hurt, when selling guns.
>They should be bombed more frequently with significantly larger bombs.
Well i disagree.

All this talk about the red pill, and not one of you can red pill me just a wee bit?

>>61244954
The term race is just a substitute for "sub-species"

>>61244954
Leftists usually only abandon their beliefs when faced with reality in the form of violence, and being violent for no apparent reason is nigger behavior.

Go hang around the Achmadullahs and kwazi kongos for a bit.

>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.
and you KNOW every human being also borns with diferent personality attributes (different drivers), and, moreover, different preferences or tastes for things, so they will develop different interestst herefore not everyone is able to accomplish the same things under equal circunstances, because that's not going to happen ever.

That's your premise, and it's delusional. Red pill is about erasing all those delusions out of your live, and for that you need to develope criteria to analyze them, and sadly that's usually exclusive for those people drived first by analythical thinking than wishfull/emotional thinking (which is an advantage in social life tho)

>>61245131
I've experience lots of violence for no reason, mainly from danish people as a matter of fact.
>>61245075
"race" or "subspecies" i don't care, doesn't mean i'm gonna treat a person any differently.
I judge people, individually, based on how they behave.
I DON'T generalize whole ethnic groups, based on the behavior of some idiots.

>>61243966
You don't need to hate the refugees just to want a stricter immigration policy.

All you need is to rezalize that:

1) goverment's first priority should be to protect the interests of the citizens, solidarity with others being possible only if there's no threat to the well being of the own citizens.

2) that the Western levels of civilization, peace, stability and values are the result of an unlikely historical process, and therefore extremely fragile and need to be protected in order to be maintained.

>>61245268
Well, as we haven't been able to test how two individuals, from different ethnic groups, will turn out after living, say twenty years of identical lives, i can't really say my opinion is based on fact, however i still believe there's a difference in who you turn out to be, based on your environment and where you grow up.
My experience tells me that genetics isn't the only factor.

>>61243966

>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.

But they can't. Not everyone is equal or special, or fantastic. Some people are shit and that's all they get.
Some people design rockets, others can't use a fucking hammer.

Some have an IQ of 140, some have an IQ of 80. Gaps like that aren't upbringing or 'socially' created, some people are just fucking stupid, and stupid people usually have stupid kids.

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>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.
Objectively, no one exists under equal circumstances. Equality doesn't exist naturally. Lunatics always feel driven to impose it using central planning and state repression, and it always explodes into humanitarian tragedy, but the lesson is never learned, and the cult of equaliy persists anyway, for centuries and centuries.

>>61243966
You don't trust the media but you believe everything they say? Oookkkk

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>>61243966
Fuck off and lurk moar

http://pastebin.com/5Y2pMesC
http://pastebin.com/PpY46T8t
http://pastebin.com/tGMEhbhf

I just need a generic refugee pastebin to use against chucklefucks like op.

>>61245597
>Gaps like that aren't upbringing or 'socially' created, some people are just fucking stupid, and stupid people usually have stupid kids.
Don't you see how much you're contradicting yourself?

>>61245562
have you even read what I said?

you don't need any testing at all, you can know it before hand if you consider what we already know:
>people are born with: different personality attributes (mindware drivers)
>life expiriences are always subjective, and therefore unique, so personality growth or maturity is different between individuals, always
>born with completly unique different set of tastes and preferences that will cause their individualization
those two factors are not going to be equal ever

you can have twins and those are going to be the key things that makes always the serious divergence

>>61244220
>I have said time and time again that Europes external borders should be maintained by autonomous 30mm grenade launchers firing air burst rounds.

HAHAHA well you can't, innit because Europe's external border is with Turkey and the EU still considers Turks ''partners'' and ''human''.

Kick them off the bloody continent and problem will be solved.

The condensed version of the red pill is "Hitler did nothing wrong".

This sounds shocking and insane to most blue-pilled people at first, like a bad joke.

But if you stick around /pol/ and try to argue against it, sooner or later you'll realize its true. Hitler did nothing wrong. That is the essence of redpill.

>>61245612
I'm happy to live in country where everyone has equal rights to a good education and health-services.

>>61243966
Polish men women and Kids had to fight till the dead. Those fuckers should be all shoot Atleast the mans.

>>61246085
Are you talking about Germany invading Poland in WW2?

Poland started it.

>>61245815
I don't think you understand me.
I'm not talking about something that can be tested.
Yes people will always be unique, but did you even read what i said?
>>61245939
I know this meme, but haven't actually seen any real proof for it.
>>61245688
How did you reach this conclusion?
>>61245748
I don't see how this is relevant.

>>61246265
what you said implies you still maintain OP post premise, which is wrong

environment of course it's the most radical factor, having a succesful father from a mediocre one is the most important thing to change one man's life radically

and guess what, that's not gonna be equal ever

>>61243966
Dear danish man, how about you stop complaining about our complaining of shitty migrants. Liberals like to make progressive rules, harse ones that they like to enforce on people who don't want it ,or on people who don't care about it because they're not crazy. /pol/ and any other website that cares about free speech is the only place we can go. We are not going to stop so how about you take anything pc you have out of here because we here on Pol are sick and tired of it.

>>61244541
>i hold left wing views but im not a leftist
you're right, you're just retarded

>>61246424
I thought we where talking about genetics, not equality.
I totally agree there will never be real equality between human-beings, but my point was that it has got nothing, or at least very little, to do with genetics.
The whole gene-meme just exists to justify the killing of "subspecies".

>>61246265
>I know this meme, but haven't actually seen any real proof for it.

The question of Hitler, the events of WW2, what led to WW2, and what happened after, are incredibly complicated.

For starters, do you really believe Hitler was pure evil like we're taught in school? That he decided to start a war for absolutely no reason? That he just wanted to kill millions of people for no reason?

>>61243966
If you use your eyes and brain you would see that every single Islamic dominant country is shit filled with murder and abuse of women daily....DAILY

Couple this with the fact that Muslims multiply like cockroaches and you can Invision perhaps a glimpse of the future of your own country.

>Muslims will become majority
>Muslims take over the political system through democracy
>Muslims make new laws
>your daugther gets raped
>as punishment for the rape the rapist gets a cake and your daughter gets acid thrown in her face

Muslims all want the same thing all over the world, this won't change if you keek smiling and being nice to them. Eventually they WILL fuck you over based purely on your non-muslimness

>>61243966
>cause many of them actually do flee from horrible conditions
Horrible conditions like no welfare.
Taking refugees temporarily from war-torn countries is fine, taking refugees from poor countries because they're poor is not fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

>>61246587
Good argument.
>>61246511
Who's complaining?
I'm just curious, what this redpill thing is, cause i really can't see why it's so convincing.

>>61244541
It doesn't matter that you say it's based on environment when it isn't true (look up adoption studies). This was based on sociology not biology and they just made it up spouted it as fact for a long time now all the studies show otherwise.

>>61246767
No absolutely not, i don't believe anyone is "pure" evil.
I've read some of the history, i'm just not convinced that he was a good guy either.
>>61246813
But not all refugees are like this.
>>61246855
Well if they're poor because we're exploiting them i don't see the problem.

>>61246899
Redpill is a meme thing. The redpill is supposed to represent a dose of politically incorrectness into a Pc person's mind.

>>61247067
>Well if they're poor because we're exploiting them i don't see the problem.
But not only are they not poor because we're exploiting them, taking in refugees because they're poor is fucking stupid.
Watch the video and you'll see how pointless it is.

>>61247067
>But not all refugees are like this
Most refugees are Muslims and fuck like rabbits. Don't deny obvious truths like a left child plugging its ears "lalalalalala"

It's true, most are Muslim and you know what Muslims do, look at the middle East

Don't deny the truth, look again

>>61247103
No it's not, it was popularized by the matrix (probably coined somewhere else). It's supposed to represent someone finally looking at the real truth and not the illusion of truth (may or may not actually be the truth).

>>61247067
>No absolutely not, i don't believe anyone is "pure" evil.
>I've read some of the history, i'm just not convinced that he was a good guy either.

Nobody's a "good" guy. Everyone has to kill to live. By your very existence as a human being on this planet, you're killing countless animals and doing massive damage to the environment. Not to mention what the government that represents you is doing to your fellow humans in other countries, like you mentioned.

But there you go, anyway. If you don't believe that Hitler was evil incarnate, you've already taken a step in the right direction.

>>61246265
Because most of your opinions are recycled media lies

>>61247342
Sure whatever. I've never watched the matrix and I don't plan on doing so. Pc= lies and scum. Pi= free speech and truth.

>>61243966
there is a difference between liberalism and socialism. socialism has hijacked liberal ideas in order to expand government polymorpheously with the end goal being communism. they are indeed creating and exacerbating the problems they wish to solve with government enforcement

>>61247507
tl;dr version:
>Neo is offered a blue pill or a red pill, blue pill does nothing, Morpheus leaves and finds someone else, red pill takes him out of the matrix (a machine-run hallucination of reality) where he wakes up into reality.

>>61247151
But this is about immigration, not refugees.
I just don't like to judge people based on where they're from.
>>61247205
>Most refugees are Muslims
But not all.
I know their culture is fucked in so many ways, but that doesn't mean everyone behaves like animals.
>>61247463
like?

>>61244220
/ fucking thread

>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.
Non-white countries are bad, White countries are good.

>I'm anti-gun cause i live in a country where we have strict gun-control and it seems to be working.
That's not the only reason to have guns. If it's working, it's because you still have White people there. Or, maybe it's not working.
>I don't hate all refugees,
All refugees hate you.
>cause many of them do flee from horrible conditions
Who do you think caused these "horrible conditions?" They did. That is, if there are any actual "horrible conditions."

How many of them do you think got "bombed?"

>>61243966
>all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances

so if you give a retard and einstein a mathematical equation and put them in equal circumstances, they both will solve it?

>>61246687
no, you don't know what I was thinking (how could you?, and it wasn't genetics lel

there's no gain to force equality if people are not equal, it's to handicap negative the best people to benefit the worse, that's fucking eugenesics

for real, and that's what left is doing without understanding they're doing that

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The world is ruled by a Satan-worshipping cabal. Our science, art, media, and education is largely controlled by them. The earth is flat and God is seated on His throne above it. Jesus Christ will come to the judge the living and the dead.

This is the redpill.

>>61247723
>But this is about immigration, not refugees.
The majority of those "refugees" are there for the exact reasons stated in the video.
Some are actually from war-torn countries yes, but the majority are economic migrants who just want free shit.

>>61244541
>>61244541
Refugees are fine until they affect you directly then it's too late

>>61243966>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.
Stopped there. This is delusional.
In the West, we all go to school and it's pretty equal, but it produces a wide range of smart and idiots humans

>>61247787
No i'm talking environment vs heritage/genetics.
I'm saying if they both grew up the exact same way, experiencing the exact same things etc. they would both be able to solve it.
>>61247788
When i say we should be equal, i'm talking about equal opportunities.
>>61247826
True, but that doesn't mean you should treat every refugee as if they just want free shit.

>>61243966
Not all humans are born equal and not all differences are due to the environment.

This is not a disadvantage or drawback, it's nature and exactly the opposite.

Media and government are slaves to banks and money, yes.
Capitalism lives on interest and the dream of the 99% to become part of the 1% one day.
I don't think it should be this way.

Refugees are not inherently bad people but culture and especially religion have formed these people into types which are not compatible with our understanding of freedom, women, life in general. The majority of them would be able to assimilate, if
1) they were young enough
2) they didn't come in masses of millions
3) they wanted it.

>>61248111
We don't all come from equal families.
If your parents are stupid, a good school system can only do so much.

>>61244220
>All humans are different, by genetics, culture, society and personality, we are not all capable of the same great things, some are just better or worse than others
This guy's a buffoon because that's not what the left is about.

It's about equal & fair opportunities. Whether nigger culture sees the opportunity or not is another debate entirely.

>They should be bombed more frequently with significantly larger bombs.
No one likes sand nigger muslims, but YOU do realize that bombing is counter-productive right? Every conservatard knucklehead somehow think you can bomb an entire religion out of existence. It's a short term solution that didn't help the USA at all.

Look at what Hitler did with the jews. Did he manage to eradicate jews? No, he only made them more annoying and loud.

>>61248168
>True, but that doesn't mean you should treat every refugee as if they just want free shit.
>in these waters swim sharks, but not every cubic metre contains a shark, therefore you should go for a nice swim

>>61248168
So if a retard and a normal person grew up in the same household, treated the same way, etc. and then given a test, both of them would have the same grade?

>>61248273
I can agree with most of these points.

Still i believe environment plays a bigger part than genetics.

>>61243966
You are a normal rational human being. Don't listen to pol

If you have the time watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssCkc8t9sho&list=WL&index=2
If not just watch from 1:58:45 - 2:03:40.
I have never been so moved by a video before, i feel so sad now knowing the truth. Beware before you take this red pill.

>>61245939
>Hitler did nothing wrong
>gave jews a reason to whine about the holocaust for eternity
>did nothing wrong
kek

>>61247723
>I know their culture is fucked in so many ways,
Then why let them come? Do you try to hug a Lion after it killed your neighbour?
>inb4 I'm islamphobe
Who here is scared? The one who dares to speak against it? Or the one who has to say nice things about Islam lets he be beheaded (you)??

It's normal to want to repel things that look smell and feel shady. The refugee crisis is shady as fuck and should not be allowed. Do you want a random sample of these people in your house? Do you? I dont

>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.

Compare poor whites and poor blacks living under ''oppressive societies''.
Poor whites in South Africa being a great example. They are more poor and live under more pressure than black americans yet still retain their dignity and do not act like savages.

>>61248312
Well put.
>>61248339
When you say retard, do you mean somebody who has physical damage to their brain that inhibits mental ability?

>>61248525
I mean genetic damage, such as downs syndrome

>>61248498
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>>61243966
>doesnt trust media, government or banks
>trusts the people who control them.

>>61248391
People pretend that you're not responsible for the environment you're in. I grew up in worse conditions than many of my friends but still managed to come out on top. Even as kid I knew what/who influenced me badly and I cut it out. I educated myself through the internet and here I am today.

I've seen rich kids in Germany moving to south America and become hippie druggies.
I've seen poor kids becoming educated and rich.

You are responsible for the environment you're in - to a huge degree.

>>61245897
your flag has an easter egg on it

>>61246813
>If you use your eyes and brain you would see that every single Islamic dominant country
No, not really.

Islam is disgusting, but the brand of islam practiced in South East Asian countries is different from the ones practiced in the Middle East.

The Islam that we associate with terrorism nowadays was the result of the USA backing up Bin Laden who believed in a minor ideology (Wahhabism) which was nowhere as powerful as it was, 50 years ago.

It doesn't help that the USA is a directly ally to the Saudis.

In other words, if you're American, it's pretty much your fault, and Europe shouldn't have to take in refugees to cover for your shitty foreign policies.

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>>61248498
>>61248312
>Look at what Hitler did with the jews. Did he manage to eradicate jews?

Hitler never intended to eradicate the Jews.

>>61248447
Poor lil guy, he just wanted a better country for his people.

>>61248498
Everyone's to blame there, they believed their lies.

>>61248417
Thanks, i don't most of the time, unless people actually make a good argument.
>>61248447
I'm sure he did a lot of good, but that doesn't justify the bad things he did.
>>61248502
>Do you want a random sample of these people in your house?
Of course not. I wouldn't want ANY random sample of people in my house.
But this has got nothing to do with race.
I don't want any kind of religious people around me, period.
>>61248508
Lel okay.
You can find good examples and bad examples in both places.
This still isn't relevant to the idea i proposed.

>>61243966
Gun control doesn't work.

>>61248822
I can't wait for the moment where we aren't dependable on oil anymore. No more ties with Saudi Arabia

>>61248563
Well of course these two people wouldn't have an equal chance, but they also wouldn't be able to live the exact same lives, so it doesn't really fit with the theoretical test i was talking about.
Take your life. Everything you've experienced and done etc.
If you made black clone, with the exact same experiences and memories as you, do you think he would go join the bloods or whatever they're called instantly because he's black?

>>61248312
>It's about equal & fair opportunities.
Equal opportunity is fine, but why are lefts aiming for equal outcome?

>>61243966
You don't need to hate refugees or anything, just look at this way, large scale immigration and demographic shift will cause change, that would't be as bad if westerners would be immigrating to middle east or africa( bad in the way that natives will be loosing their culture) but when it's vice versa it's worse, you bring large number of people who will not make our civilization better, just make it violent, more crimes and so on. And their individuality is of no concern because they are coming in numbers, statistical numbers.

>>61243966
>i believe in something
>and i align myself with the people who work incessantly to destroy it
>what's wrong with you guys

>>61248910
If you don't like religion tough luck. In 20 years Muslims will be majority and you will be surrounded by Islam non stop

Look at today's kindergarten pics. Your white child already is minority most likely. Glimpses of a horrible future

>>61248287
If stupid parents produce stupid kids despite a good school system, maybe it's in the DNA...

>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.

this is where you are wrong. idiot.

>>61248168
>I'm saying if they both grew up the exact same way, experiencing the exact same things etc. they would both be able to solve it.
And no, you are wrong on this. You cannot know for sure. For example, take two different persons and put them into the same environmental conditions. Suppose that one of them has a mutation in their dopamine or serotonine receptor gene that makes the individual less sensitive to the said neurotransmitter. Now put this two person under the same environmental stress. The one with the mutation is more likely to develop a depressive disorder compared to the non-mutated one.
This is only a very very bland example to show that people not equal (only omozygotic twins are and they would probably perform at the same level under the same environmental conditions), and our outcome is also determined by our "inner potentiality" which is actually written in our genome.

>>61249073
>implying that the only difference between race is skin color
in your example they would be the same (aside from skin color), but different races actually have different genetics, and that does influence their intelligence.

Judging a person only based off of his skin color is wrong (e.g. there are "uncle tom"s), but when you look at a large group of people, there is nothing wrong with being scientifically racist and saying that on average, a black person and a white person in the same conditions will grow up to be different.

>>61248736
When i'm talking environment, it's not really about whether you had a rich or poor family, but how you where raised.
Of course people who are raised in a poor family with stupid parents can do great things, but this just isn't the norm.

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>>61248822
>The Islam that we associate with terrorism nowadays was the result of the USA backing up Bin Laden who believed in a minor ideology
You do realize that's wrong right?
They've been doing this for 1400 years, these are not the figures of a minor ideology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
It's quite long but it's worth the watch when you have time, he's the guy that brought us this.

>>61248910
>I'm sure he did a lot of good, but that doesn't justify the bad things he did.
He didn't do any bad things, please if you ever get the chance watch this ENTIRE video. I promise you this will be the biggest Red pill you will ever take.

>>61243966
Heres the difference, they hate you no matter if you welcome them and love them. They will also not hesitate to rape your girlfriend no matter how tolerant you are. What you are feeling is weakness brought on by the media. Save your compassion for those who reciprocate it.

>>61248910
>but that doesn't justify the bad things he did.
What bad?
That he wanted to remove (note remove, not exterminate) the race that started a civil war in his country?
That he stored them in camps where they were clothed, fed, deloused and given medical attention when necessary?
That he had to deal with jews dying due to lack of food since the allies bombed supply lines?

>>61249124
I see why large scale immigration is a bad thing, don't get me wrong, I just don't like to judge people based on their ethnic background.
>>61249197
I just don't see this happening.
>>61249234
Or maybe it's because the school can't keep an eye on these kids 24/7.
If the parents are shit, there's not much the school can do. Not necessarily because of the DNA.
>>61249340
But all humans growing up in the same conditions turn out differently
.>>61249574
I might watch it, but I'm not gonna base my opinions on a youtube video.

>>61249938
>I just don't see this happening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrcuWqw2tT8

>>61250000
quads confirm btw

>>61249707
If any of this is true, cool. But i just haven't seen the evidence. I'm not saying I trust the mainstream story either.
Just haven't seen any hard facts.

>>61250043
DU-UBS AKBAR!!

>>61250011
FUCKING DUB DUBS - PRAISE ME

>>61250000
Well of course this is shit. We shouldn't let them indoctrinate the kids this way.
School should be separate from religion and mandatory.

>>61249938
You won't have to mate, this video simply brings up all the facts, after you actually hear that these facts actually exists you can search for them yourself from multiple sources.

>>61250066
>If any of this is true, cool. But i just haven't seen the evidence
Funny that, I think the same about the holocaust.

School systems need to teach kids how to think rationally, so if their parent are idiots, at least the kids have a chance to escape their heritage.

>>61248168
>When i say we should be equal, i'm talking about equal opportunities.
And i'm anwsering that
to use force to make everyone have equal oportunities is eugenetics, as you're hadicaping people who have more successfully atributes (not only genetical) to benefit those who have worse mindsets and more, less educated and less loved children.

To have opportunities is to let them find their way to prosperity and happiness, it's not about redistributing what's from someone else to the rest, that is not only unfair but erradicates the motor that creates new wealth to the world, whitch are good decisions by people who make them most.

>>61250173
And this is where socialism/communism starts to fail: reality.
It shouldn't be this way, I agree with you. But it is - and naive ideologies and subjugating yourself is not going to help it.

>>61250090
peace be upon you, bratu4a.

>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.
OK OP but
what if genetics was a circumstance

>>61250303
That's already their aim.

>>61250188
I bookmarked it.
>>61250238
Well it might be a hoax, who knows.

>>61249938
>But all humans growing up in the same conditions turn out differently
Ah! Now I agree with you, because you said the opposite of your original post
.

>>61250303

>state schools
>teaching autonomy/rational thinking

>>61247723
it can be no coincedence that the niggers abos indians, north americans, south americans south east asia, madagascar and the polynesian islands were all still throwing fucken sticks around by the time the british got their empire together. Race can not be skin deep.

>>61250320
I don't get what you're point is. It's like you think i want to force equality onto people.
>>61250324
>naive ideologies and subjugating yourself is not going to help it
What do you suggest we do then?
>>61250384
Then what? You think they should be treated like lesser beings because of this?
>>61250515
Well clearly the UK isn't doing a good job at this.

>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.
stopped reading there

if you don't understand why you fucked up so bad in this sentence alone there's no helping you

>>61250713
>>61250303

Also any fuck ups the parents have impacted on the kid will be far less severe than the state.


At least a fucked up kid will self teach himself automony motivated by hatred for his parents.

>>61250772
>they should be treated like lesser beings because of this
If a person has lesser genetics, and thus is a lesser person, I think he should be treated like a lesser person

>>61250524
>Well it might be a hoax, who knows.
The problem is we'll never know and we can never know because they jail anyone who disagrees with their narrative.
There was a chemist who wrote a report about their "gas chambers" for his PHD, tl;dr version is they were delousing chambers, he was kicked out of university and he was sentenced to jail.

Now tell me, what other part of history is so scared of people looking into it that it threatens jail? The truth doesn't fear investigation.

>>61245345
>beta libcuck detected

>>61250527
No because i was talking about the EXACT same conditions, experiences, memories etc.
>>61250752
As a matter of fact no it isn't a coincidence.
But knowledge isn't in your genes.
Knowledge is something you learn.

>>61250772
>Well clearly the UK isn't doing a good job at this.
Schooling systems are far from perfect. It doesn't help that the child is meant to go home after classes, if the parents are fucking the child up (by being abusive or being retarded) then the schools teaching is going to be pretty pointless in most scenarios.

>>61243966
>I don't hate all refugees
Du fug is wrong with you, guys?

>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.


And that is scientificly simply not true.

>>61250832
Are you speaking from personal experience?
>>61250850
Well i don't think so.
Just because somebody might not be able to solve as difficult equations as you, doesn't mean they're less worthy of being treated in a humane way.
>>61250925
Sauce?
>>61250955
>Burger detected

>>61251087
I totally agree.
How should we deal with this problem?
>>61251237
Ok mr. scientist

>>61251264
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germar_Rudolf

>>61250772
>I don't get what you're point is. It's like you think i want to force equality onto people.
well, any political objective is executed forcing it to people with violence, that's how states do things
and you said you're called leftist/liberal, so if that's accurate you're likely to push for those social coercions to redesign how things are to your preferences
you're anti-gun because your people are mostly smart and peaceful? that's a coactive actitude for example

those who want equality are aiming to redistribute what already has been made with violence, because they lack the will and potencial to help those people that lack opportunities with their own effort, as they're delusional beta faggots good for nothing

>>61251617
most equalizers don't care about equal rights, but instead equal material conditions using state's violence

>>61251379
You can't really solve it without getting schools more intimate with families which just isn't possible with the huge classes they have.
They already try their best when trying to spot child abuse and still don't catch every case. Hell, even if it did there are still a lot of things that'd fuck a kid up but aren't child abuse (like divorce, a death in the family and constant moving).

>>61251264
>they're less worthy of being treated in a humane way
Of course, but they are less worthy of getting jobs that require solving the equations, or getting into university.

Just like people who are more violent by nature and unable to control it are less worthy of being treated in a humane way.

My point is that people should be judged individually, but genetics and race is a factor in a persons personality and intelligence, and that ON AVERAGE, some races are more violent, but others are more intelligent.

>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.

kek

http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/handbook/traits/intelligence

>>61251617
>those who want equality are aiming to redistribute what already has been made with violence
Well i'm not.
>>61251688
But what about those who does care about equal rights?

>>61251379
But he is right. There are intelligent people and less intelligent ones. If you take a person with an IQ of 80 and give him the same input as you do with a person with an IQ of 130 - the outcome won't be the same.
How can you doubt that?

That doesn't mean that one person is good and the other is not. The 130 IQ guy could be an anxious wreck, the 80 IQ dude could be a fantastic artist.

Stop with your forced equalization.

>>61251020
>No because i was talking about the EXACT same conditions, experiences, memories etc.
So humans would turn equal if they experienced the EXACT sames conditions, which is a completely unrealistic setup that will never even happen in real life

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>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances
No. Disabled people won't make a career in sport, unless you won't let them compete with regular or create special circumstances for them which is unequal. So you
>belive
in a statement that is clearly false, which makes you an idiot.
>I'm anti-gun cause i live in a country where we have strict gun-control and it seems to be working.
Worked great on Utoya :^)

>I don't hate all refugees, cause many of them actually do flee from horrible conditions, and maybe Islam is a part of it, but i know for a fact that we aren't helping their situation by bombing the shit out of them.

So now they are in peaceful conditions where they can rebuild their lives with hard work and gratitude for the chance they've been given. But no, all they want is benefits and 'rights' to hate you, as a part of their culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

this is the biggest red pill. If that doesn't wake you up your brain is entirely under control of the NWO.

>>61244541
Retard

>>61251927
You guys keep talking about two different people with different IQ etc, without considering whether they have the same background.
>>61251720
Of course if you have low grades you shouldn't go to university, but when it's based on the size of your wallet, i don't think it's very productive.

>>61252293
refer to
>>61251826

>>61252293
Because the starting point and potential maximum IQ has nothing to do with the environment or background but genetics.

>>61252072
Turn equal?
I think you might have misunderstood me.
>>61252132
>in a statement that is clearly false, which makes you an idiot.
I really don't wanna keep repeating what i meant with this statement, as I've already explained it.
>Worked great on Utoya :^)
I'm Danish...

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Hey, maybe you should look at that.

>>61252453
Okay say genetics do play a role in intelligence.
Doesn't mean you need to treat stupid people like shit, that's just my point.

>>61248312
>>>/int/53709931
join us dude

>>61252748
>>61252781
>>61252855
Fuck off with your stupid islamophobic shit, this isn't about religion ffs!

>>61252748
I've seen this quite often and while I don't deny its figures I would like a bigger picture, if there are 50~ countries with large percentages of muslims then why not include every single country in every single question?

>>61252868
Who gets treated as shit? It's just feminists exeggerating. If you are less intelligent you will probably get a lower wage job, the world is hard. Why should other's compensate for that? Not doing so isn't treating people like shit?

>>61245345
>I've experienced lots of violence
>I think gun control is working

?

>>61253041
>islamophobic
Facts aren't *phobic or *ist. Facts are facts.

>>61253046
What do you think i'm trying to argue here?
Cause this statement doesn't make sense.
>>61253093
Oh so violence is better with guns??
>>61253179
These "facts" aren't relevant to the thread.

>>61251846
>But what about those who does care about equal rights?
most people often mistkaes negative rights with positive rights, for example, rights nowadays demands everyone else to serve whoever benefit that right, for example, if someone have "right to education", everyone else MUST participate, wanting or not, to serve that point.

Luckily and different to healthcare, educatoin or living place, gays don't have "right to fuck ass", or we would have to get cucked to satisfy that positive right

everyone who is not libertarian, they wants a to apply a different set of preferences as positive rights, to make everyone else grant them, with state's violence.

If you're not up to that in any form at all, but instead you might want to acomplish those concerns with your own hardwork as volunteer, you're moral master race kek

>>61253041
>Whaaaaa I can't handle facts that show me Islam is fucked up whaaaaa!
>>61248910
>Thanks, i don't most of the time, unless people actually make a good argument.

Really? If someone shows you stats and quotes, you'll just pretend it doesn't exist?
You sure are a libertard.
Face it, Islam can't coexist with the West and the majority of the "refugees" are Muslims who comes from contries where Islam is the dominant religion.
Yes some of them are children and women, yes some of them are Christians, but they are RARE.
They are a minority, over 80% of the refugees a adult males with only one desire.
Create a new Caliphate in Europe.

>>61253363
>These "facts" aren't relevant to the thread.
see>>61253486

>>61253363
>These "facts" aren't relevant to the thread.
You asked about redpilling and you even mentioned refugees.
Sounds like redpilling of muslims would be right up your alley. Is it uncomfortable? Sometimes the pill is a suppository.

>>61253395
If you want to go live in the woods go ahead, the state isn't stopping you, as long as you aren't trespassing or hurting anyone.

Do you also think this is normal?
https://www.rt.com/news/329180-pakistan-boy-cuts-hand/

>>61253694
imagine yourself telling that to a victim of the italian mafia back in the last century, "if you don't like it go to live on the woods"

that's as stupid as cruel kek

>>61253486
I never said this isn't a problem?
I never said I wanted large streams of refugees?
Quite the contrary as a matter of fact.
I'm just arguing to stop the hate on the refugees and direct it towards the problems that brought them here.
One of which, is the involvement of the west.

>>61252568
Your views on humans are still based on beliefs, not grounded by reality

>>61253881
>stop the hate on the refugees
But the deserve hate too, why don't they get a share of the hate when they're having their share of your women and money?

>>61253546
You're right, I just thought I'd already expressed my opinions on Islam on religion in general.
>>61253819
This is a shit analogy for so many reasons.

>>61253972
Because that's just petty.
>>61253921
Sure if you say so.

>>61243966

>be redpilled
>remove pre-existing dogmas and replacing them with new ones
>such is the circlejerk of ideology

>everyone is eating it up
>thats why they keep voting, in hopes for "change"
>"this time will be diffrent!"

>>61253881
>I'm just arguing to stop the hate on the refugees
>direct it towards the problems that brought them here
You mean their desire to destroy us and take our resources?
Listen here faggot, those "refugees" are our enemies, they want us dead, they want to rape our woman and daughters, they want to force Sharia to become the new law.
So yeah, I do hate them and I hate people like you who defend them all the time saying it's not their fault and we must help them even if they will do nothing in return.

>>61254153
Petty or not if they want to cause harm after being graciously allowed into the country and given free stuff they will not be met with open arms.

>>61254310
And they should be sent back, after all they're nothing but a bunch of parasites.

>>61254310
I couldn't agree more on this point.
It just doesn't mean they're all like that.
>>61254285
You sound scared. Fear leads to hate young padawan.

>>61254412
Sadly it doesn't look like that's happening any time soon (at least not without a massive incident), I feel sorry for you guys over there you have a really shitty government.

>>61244220
first post best post

>>61254050
it's not a bad analogy, you can't choose to be part of that shitty social contract, you can't really get out, if you really go somewhere else there you will find another shitty social contract (state), which can be even worse (most likely less freedom).

Market is different, as if you don't want cocacola you go pepsy, of chug Sunnys, or nothing at all, as simple as that. And if you're dehydrated, you can always trade for help or just ask for help, not everyone but some civilized person will as volunteer.

>>61254620
Italian mobsters hadn't been democratically elected to impose any kind of law.
I live in a country with nice roads, schools, health facilities etc, all because we pay taxes to keep things nice.
I'm all for personal freedom to a certain degree.
People shouldn't have personal freedom to, say, take their children out of school, cause that would give them a huge disadvantage in our society.

>>61245402
Based reasonable Belgium.

>>61254525
Scared?
Now I have to fear for the life of my family and friends who could be attacked at any moments by those animals.
We shouldn't have to live in fear of them, or being called racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic every time we denounce the action of the refugees.
We shouldn't have wonder if the Muslim whose siting in the corner of a building will just shout aloha snackabr and exploded.
We shouldn't live in fear of being arrested for defending ourselves against criminals just because those criminals weren't whites.
And I just said I HATE them, the keyword is HATE, do you get it now?
We live in a world where being white is frown upon and soon not being Muslims will be illegal.

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>>61246233
mediocre

>>61254936
>People shouldn't have personal freedom to, say, take their children out of school
What about home schooling?

>>61255114
Should be available through certification.
>>61254986
I get your frustration, but it's just counter-productive to put them all in one box.

>>61254936
take their children out of school, cause that would give them a huge disadvantage in our society

where you get the enought arrogancy to say that so confident about it?

some niggers might do worse than main education system on their own
but most successfull fathers might make better decisions than the representants of the mediocre masses, and you can't counter argue this

that's why we need freedom, because you can't measure what you're losing from not having it (and moreover, it's simply fair).

>>61243966
>"I'm anti-gun"
>"I don't trust the government"
Choose one

>>61255293
I never said their all the same, some Muslims are alright.
The thing is, most of the time they don't know shit about their religion, all they know is don't eat pork and wear a scarf on your head.
I met a lot of them, talked to them, and whenever I told them about Sharia, the stoning of raped women, the way the animals are savagely killed and tortured, they couldn't believe me and I had to show them videos and stats.
Now, we're taking Muslims who acts like savages in the name of a prophet who was a warmonger, a slaver and a pedophile.
And more and more Muslims are becoming radicalized, and I can't even believe those I talked to because it's in their religion to lie if it can help to achieve their goals.

>>61255570
No that's not necessary.
>>61255464
Yeah... freedom...
Some parts of your post i understand, and some are just gibberish.

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And this is what you believe.

>>61255786
Glad to hear you don't think they're all animals.
My opinion is that all religion is counterproductive.

>>61255894
How did you conclude this from all that I've said?
I don't claim to know what you believe, so how about you treat me with equal respect and stop with that bullshit.

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>>61256130
>Durrr not all muslism stop with Islamophobia durrr
>We have to help them because it's our fault their counties are shit cause we bombed them n shieetz
Just so you understand, The West isn't responsible for their problems, it's their culture and Ideology that promotes violence, rape and ignorance.
We don't owe them shit, so until they fix themselves we shouldn't have to help them.

>>61243966
>I'm anti-gun cause i live in a country where we have strict gun-control and it seems to be working.
Now lets look at this, tell me what's % of the balck populations in Denmark?
I'm pretty sure it's low.
That's why it works, because you don't live with a population who are violent.
Now if you look at the USA, you can see the major of crimes are committed by blacks, yet whites people have to pay for it?
That's ridiculous, if you lived in the USA you'd know how important guns are now.
Everyone can easily get one via the black market, and that's how criminals will get their guns.

In the end you're saying that withe must have their rights taken from them because another population does the majority of crimes.
And because whites bombed a country full of savages, we should accept them in our countries and give them free shit.

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>>61243966
>I've experienced lots of violence
Did someone stole your stapler at work or wrote a mean comment on facebook?

>test two individuals, from different ethnic groups, twenty years of identical lives
What are niggers in USA?

Countries are shitholes because their people are shitholes. THAT SIMPLE. Just because you want to put a shit on a golden plate won't turn it into a delicious gourmet over time.

World is a harsh and inequal place and that is okay, because ultimate equilibrium is death.
Weak and naive people will perish. And that will be you. Should have stayed isolated in your dream bubble.

>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.

Looks like you have zero understanding of genetics, then.

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>>61257065
>That webm
Holy shit this hilarious.

Piss of traitor, /pol/ isn't for you.

>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.
This is one of the stupidest things I've read on this site, and I have a hard time believing even far-Leftists think it's true.

>>61249384
This is quite the redpill

>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.

I too believe house cats can run as fast as cheetahs given they are raised in the same environment

>>61253363
>Oh so violence is better with guns??
This is what people fail to understand about guns in the US. Criminals, in general, aren't successful people. They're idiots with just enough street smarts and aggression to intimidate people. They get arrested, they develop records, they behave largely on impulse. Criminals aren't a general sampling of society with markedly lower morals, they're the intersection of perceived physical power, low impulse control, and a lack of basic respect for the rights of others. These are not the kinds of people who will save up the money for a good carry gun, go to the range to learn how to shoot it, or drill draw techniques.

If you have even a basic licensing system in place for concealed carry you have already set the bar high enough that people who are likely to go through the work to get a license are likely to not be criminals. At that point you're giving regular, peaceful citizens a clear advantage over the dregs.

When Jamal wants to buy a new pair of Jordans but can't hold down a job for more than a few days without threatening the boss because he was disrespected, he might go out and hope that the fact that he's a black teenager will intimidate enough people that they'll turn their property over to him. Theres nothing you can do, socially, to stop that. Citizens possessing the right to carry, however, is going to reduce the likelihood that Jamal will be successful. It might even reduce the likelihood that Jamal will try this shit. Theres a chance that it will simply reduce Jamal.

Say what you want about guns, but theres two armed robbers in Chicago who ran into a liquor store owner with a pistol this week and will never steal a thing again as a result.

Don't listen to /pol/. They are all racist. I swear you should not be taking advice from here, I wouldn't be surprised if 1/2 people here are potential serial killers.
Also I find the terms right and left pretty wrong, like when are you considered left?
I don't like this refugee invasion, especially not the young men who came here with hordes to do nothing really. What they should have done is take in the families that actually need help and who can work and contribute to society. All those 20 year old guys who came in hordes are nothing but trouble and they should be sent back together with all those that raped or stole shit and whatever.
However my mom works at a higher position in a hospital and she has plenty of muslims working under her (all women) and they are really hard workers, basically the only one she hasn't had trouble with yet.
But if you try to say not all of these muslims and refugees are bad you will get a shitstorm guaranteed, that's why you don't take advice from this site.

>>61257472
People believe this shit, man... It's usually super beta dudes who treat people with scaling respect depending on how much bigger and scarier they are.

They truly equate fear=respect.

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>>61248287
>>61249938
A good school or good parents don't make people intelligent, good genes do. You're heavily deluded if you think that each person has the same potential as everyone else.

>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.

There are two major flaw in your premise already. Different humans create different circumstances for themselves. It is an assumption that different people will accomplish the same things even when giving equal circumstances.

>>61258873
>However my mom works at a higher position in a hospital and she has plenty of muslims working under her (all women) and they are really hard workers, basically the only one she hasn't had trouble with yet.
Wow, females of a culture where they're second rate citizens aren't as troublesome as males? Who would've guessed.

>>61243966
Refugees that avoid settling in and go beyond the first safe zone they encounter are extremely likely to be economic migrants and not refugees at all.

Immigration is fine as long as you assimilate to the country you are going to. If I lived in the Middle East and started The Lords Prayer before each meal I would most likely be fucking killed. The refugees are being allowed to practice freely even though many people don't want them to and the religious refugees should be considerate but they aren't. Because they don't care about the host beliefs, only their own.

If there is a no smoking sign in a restaurant everyone will follow it. The moment some retard starts smoking in the restaurant they are asked to leave and smoke outside.
The same should be applied to refugees and immigrants. You can believe whatever you want just leave that shit outside the country you want to live in. Don't' like it? Then don't be there.

Foreign culture is fine until it starts stamping out the original host culture. Foreign culture should be treated as a novelty with only basic rights with no possibility of invasive expansion. No churches in Iran and no mosques in Europe, etc.

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>>61243966

What a fucking cuck.

>>61243966
>I believe all humans have a capability to accomplish the same things under equal circumstances.

Maybe "fucking retard" would be more appropriate.

>>61259755
I say women because I hear her talk about those 3 girls all the time, she used to be racist towards muslims but when those 3 started working there she was talking to my dad all the time how she was amazed about how good they work. She also has some male employees from other countrys but not much and I don't know if they are muslim.
However I live in a different city than my parents and I live in a neighbourhood with maybe 10% belgians, all the rest if from Africa or Turkey. I live there for 3 years now and I've never had problems and they are all friendly if you treat them like normal human beings.
I also follow classes and I have some male and female muslim in my class, they are very smart and decent people.
Do you truly believe all male Muslim are savages?