2 doctors: ben carson and rand paul both agree with trump that too much vaccines might be harmful to children. And they agree trump's proposal to have vaccines spread out over smaller doses will alleviate those risks to children.
As soon as both doctors agreed with trump, the moderators changed the subject. Because they failed again to stump the trump.
If /pol/ wants a wet dream of an American dictatorship, you have two options (red vs blue), but if you want to fulfill wet dreams of a stormweenie world then go red
Hilary and Trump are opposite faces of the same coin. Both are owned by AIPAC, both are owned by Banks (+10 keks if you think Trump has never had a drink with a bank executive), both appeal to sensationalism and ad hominems, and both want to put government into your personal lives
> b-b-but my wall....*sniff*
Congress is simply going to shoot down the wall, you autistic spergs
But also, you're a fucking retard if you don't realize that the current method of administering vaccines is harmful to childrens' health.
Hear me out. The way it's done at the moment is to vaccinate kids for as much shit as possible in the shortest amount of time - bulk vaccines, but also vaccinating kids against one thing after another over the period of a few months. This may sound harmless but use common sense, you're injecting someone with a harmful foreign agent. Doing it too much can and will have adverse effects.
As seen in that debate, President Trump says that a more careful appraoch with vaccines spread out across longer periods with better recovery time would be more effective and less likely to cause harm to the kids' developments.
The fact that he can't realize correlation != causation solidifies the fact that he's doing nothing but spewing populist viewpoints. He is in no position to be a politician. Anyone moderately versed in politics (reads the news everyday) has the exact same capacity to understand how to govern a nation as trump does.
That being said, I will still shill for him relentlessly. I was to see him get elected and then fuck everything up. If he does get elected, he will fail spectacularly and put republicans out of commission for much longer than bush did, and by the time their party will ever get a chance to recover the nation will have already shifted far too much to the left.
No matter who gets elected, whether it be a democrat or a republican, we aren't going to see any major changes once they fall into line with the system after the election. But trump isn't going to fall in line, he will cause chaos... Every day of his presidency will be a flow of entertainment. I look forward to that day, if it ever comes.
>>61222800 I would understand if he was against unnecessary vaccines because they can actually cause the illness they are supposed to vaccinate against when your body is weak and you aren't used to them. This autism shit on the other hand is retarded.
>>61224143 >>measles are a huge problem >>scientists develop vaccines to measles It was not a huge problem Only a few hundred people were dying a year in the country >>61224178 >>61224215 That is only because people bring it in I already said I would be fine on mandating it for entry into the country
>>61223693 While I agree that most vaccines are safe and have been studied extensively, and the science behind them is sound, through my own research I have found the Hpv vaccines should probably not be mandatory, as they don't even know how long they're good for because the first trials were only done about 10 years ago, and they were never tested in conjunction with other vaccines. Also there have been deaths caused by this vaccine and links with a lot of other complications.
I also am a proponent of spacing the vaccines out, seeing as how the mechanism by which vaccines work can cause the body more complications if the immune system is put under too much stress at once.
Typical tradcon woman >rides the cock carousel from teen years to early 30s >suddenly finds jesus and now born again >lies to sucker about amount of sex partners >sucker falls in love >sucker marries used whore >has kids in her late 30's early 40's >wonders why kids are retarded >blames the vaccines. That is what happens when you get some kid with autism most of the time it's the fault of the parents but vaccines are a good scapegoat. Because they give them out like candy because developing your immune system by getting the viruses is bad.
>>61224843 >Why do I need a vaccine for a disease that doesn't exist in the country? So that the disease doesn't exist in the first place, anon. Think beyond yourself for once in your life for the common good.
>>61224683 But CO2 can be recycled into oxygen by photosynthesizing plants. It's carbon monoxide which is the more dangerous gas for the atmosphere. And methane is far more dangerous than that, and the retarded numbers of livestock animals we have supporting 7 billion humans including 200 million Amerifats are literally shitting and farting methane 24/7 thanks to their herbivore digestive tracts that need to ferment their nutrient poor food to digest it.
Also China fucks all of us, like anyone else here will tell you.
>>61224503 Vaccines cause autism, Arabs partied after Nine Eleven, Mexicans rape and bring in drugs: these are accurate statements in plain English. In case you haven't noticed, the literal law school grads whose stranglehold on power is challenged only by Trump talk like retards and never ever submit to these exact phrasing s-tests, relying on popular forgetfulness and raw power rather than parsing to excuse their errors.
>>61225018 >So that the disease doesn't exist in the first place, anon They already dont exist here It has to come from somewhere else It is not just going to appear in someone who doesnt leave America
Farm companies just don't want to lose the money they spent for research. Nobody cares if they work at all. Nobody cares about side effects as well. You can't directly prove they are caused by vaccination => shut up and enjoy your *sickness name*.
>>61225352 Because we can't tell that they are diseased as a carrier may not show symptoms. The only way to circumvent this is to ensure that OTHER countries inoculate their citizens, or that we test each and every single foreigner who's here on a business trip.
You're never gonna 100% agree with anyone running for office. The point is to pick the candidate who best represents your interests.
Of course a billionaire born with a silver spoon doesn't represent the average American, especially considering that he's not morbidly obese, but the point is that he pisses off SJWs and ledditors, so that's good enough for me.
>>61223586 >solidifies the fact that he's doing nothing but spewing populist viewpoints.
Its a representative republic. People are going crazy over candidates that will do their best to represent their constituent's interest, and also at the time Hillary and Barack both toyed with the idea.
>>61225966 >that article says up to 50% of people in wealthy neighborhoods are anti vaxx I would question what they classified as "wealthy". They give no numbers, and you're believing it because you want to.
>>61226255 >he's not about to ban vaccines for kids if he gets elected. Not the point. He's lacking leadership when he makes false statements like this. It comes off as spontaneous and not well thought out.
If he is dumb with vaccinations, and has the nerve to take such a hard stand against it. What will he do when in office?
>He's lacking leadership when he makes false statements like this. It comes off as spontaneous and not well thought out. >If he is dumb with vaccinations, and has the nerve to take such a hard stand against it. What will he do when in office?
Not a question of whether THIS is a big issue or not. But future ones.
Prove that this 0.8deg rise would be absent sans human activity. Fucking faggot nigger. If I happen to be masturbating every time it rains, should I contact the new York times and tell them my cock has magical powers? Fucking faggot I hope you're smart enough to at least understand my analogy...
Remember, if autism was caused by vaccines given to the pleb, then surely a family as powerful as the Bush would have been exempt from it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4in1AUemxqM Vaccines have no scientific evidence to cause autism.
>>61227711 >http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/swine-flu.aspx what a shit website,
read this you nut.
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/03/13/200-swine-flu-vaccine-linked-with-small-risk-paralysis-disorder.html >Guillain-Barré syndrome would be expected to occur in some individuals regardless of whether or not they had been vaccinated, the actual increase in risk was extremely small: about 1.5 extra cases of the condition for every 1 million people vaccinated.
You avoided that 1.5/million chance of getting paralysis.
M O N E Y Idk how you retards cling to vaccines so much no one argues against vaccines. Acquired immunization is not a hard fucken concept, you dumbfucks aren't part of some special science club because you understand how it is they exactly work(same goes for Homs and global warming). Even then I doubt you do, you niggers probly just watched a 5 min pop science video on jewtube or goybook. Can't you retards see how vaccines are mandatory for kids in California?? They also have a bill for adults. How can you retards not see how pharmaceuticals scored big with this and are pushing this across the country. Why haven't you niggers taken your gardasil shots? It's for males too, a literal cancer vaccine but you faggots won't take it, how about your flu shot? There is a connection with autism but we don't know what, all we know is SOME kids are happy healthy get a shot shortly after develop a fever stop talking stop walking drop their spoons but Oy vey it's another Shoa muh polio muh measles muh anti vaxers muh science muh cdc
Google Dr William Thomson Who actually came forward and admited he and other cdc scientists hid information that DID show a correlation. Or google how merck substituted rabbits blood for human blood to prove its measles vaccines was effective. Later the cdc finds out and phones them to tell them they are conducting a surprise search 1 week from the phone call. We get vaccines, vaccines are good. But I just don't trust these assholes who would give hemophiliac kids aids. Think with your head pol
>>61227711 >>61228146 >23 million people in the United States who received the 2009 H1N1 vaccine. Within six weeks of receiving the vaccine, 54 cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome were reported 54 out of 23million. great job, you risked getting the swine-flue.
>>61226396 >"Trust me, I'm a pilot." >"Trust us, we're the Department of Civil Aviation" >"Yeah, don't worry,flying is perfectly safe."
>There's such a thing as healthy scepticism. Do people really think it's a good thing to allow highly-trained strangers to commandeer a flimsy metal tube travelling at 0.8 mach carrying 300 lives on it?
>>61228154 >Dr William Thomson He's a nut-job and a laughing stock in the medical community.
>Acquired immunization is not a hard fucken concept Sounds like you are struggling with it. If you think taking the risk of getting polio hoping you have natural acquired immunity, you got about a 95% chance of catching it.
>>61222800 I have autism and was vaccinated for shit as a kid. Doesn't mean it causes it but I would like there to be studies and actual data on this before we jump to conclusions. I would still vote for him despite this because no candidate will be right about everything.
>>61222800 >>61222933 You guys, it's painful, permanant dick mutilation and sexual crippling at birth that increases the chances of autism and general antisocial behavior. Why are americans so retarded.
>>61229777 Right, remember, it is not the anti-vaxxers who are in the more vulnerable position, what they oppose is not vaccination itself but a special new program of universal mandatories, government-industry sweetheart deals and massive over-vaccination of the very young. Really it's about corruption and not science.
>>61229639 What is a chemical?? I don't want chemicals in me and viruses dead virus what is that?? Can you use your science to help understand? It's the iluminati and lizards and nwo I fuck my cousin and sisters and I'm too dubm to
>>61226396 yeah its fine to be skeptic. But you have to actually do research afterwards and abandon the skepticism after you realize you were being silly, instead of trying to act like you are just a nice middle of the way person that "isnt like those other anti-vaxxers"
I wrote a 15 page peer-reviewed paper on vaccines and did tremendous research.
Let me tell you something, the vaccine game is bigger than you think. There's a lot of shady shit going on with the CDC, the private sector, and big pharma. From false studies and research, to big pharma bribery, to government agencies being outright owned by these huge pharmaceuticals.
While vaccines are essential, there's plenty you don't NEED. Not only that, but what Trump means is that you should space out your vaccines and not get lots all at once as it DOES lead to autism and deformities. Keep in mind, vaccines are just weaker versions of the particular disease. It's very much still the same type of disease that you're being injected with, however "controlled". Just google some images so you have an idea of what that means.
A recent study out of Canada reveals that pregnant women taking the most common form of antidepressants—Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors, or SSRIs—increase their risk of having a child born on the autism spectrum by 87 percent.
>>61228154 Then what is the vaccine or combo of vaccines that magically triggers autism in some children? What about the children that receive the same shots and don't have autism and don't show any kind of mental retardation?
I hate taking my child to the doctor, and he denies some shots are even produced as individual shot cuz muh profits. Wanting the alternative vaccine schedule means I'm an antivaccer? Fuck that. I'm not inherently against vaccines, it's HOW we do vaccines I am against. There is no reason to shoot up infants with many, many, many vaccines ALL AT ONCE. Yes there is risk with that, but there is also risk with ANY vaccine, and I'd rather take it slow and steady than shooting up babies with all sorts of shit they don't even really want to tell you they are giving them (what shots are you giving him today doc? THE NORMAL ONES SHUT THE FUCK UP)
Source, I was a nurse in the military. We banned shit we still give civilian children.
The combined rate of both vaccinations plus the number of vaccines per patient and the cases of autism go hand in hand. Autism only began occurring once we began mass vaccinations. Notice the lack if autism in the developing world where there is no vaccination.
I'm not saying ban all vaccinations, but there might just be some truth to it. It's at least compelling enough evidence for serious study rather than just mocking it as a conspiracy theory.
>>61231607 Do you even know what kind of tests obstetricians run on newborns and later pediatricians on toddlers? I might be biased because I don't know how shit's run in America, but things like the screening blood test from a newborn is crucial in the baby's survival
>>61231770 I will build a great toilet— and nobody builds toilets better than me, believe me —and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great toilet all across India, and I will make open defecators pay for that wall. Mark my words.”
>>61232048 I'm not talking about screening bloodtests. I'm talking about the attitude people get for asking any sort of question about their or their children's health care. About the enormous pressure to get a C-section because THAT doc on duty wants to get paid for delivering the baby and wants to leave on time.
Aside from that, going back to my point about how we are guilted and treated like shit for asking questions, or having any concerns and not literally blindly and silently trusting our doctors. which leads to the whole "I watched a documentary NOW IM NOT GETTING ANY VACCINES"
(which I don't agree with)
What I'm saying is the whole thing is fucked. I'm ok with vaccines, its how our country goes about them, how polarized the issue is and how that gets in the way of the facts, on both sides.
>>61231693 >Autism only began occurring once we began mass vaccinations. Notice the lack if autism in the developing world where there is no vaccination.
This is incredibly stupid and wrong. Mass vaccination began in the 1930's, and Autism was extremely rare until the 1980's.
What actually changed?
Pick any 10 women today, and in the developed world at least half will be on antidepressants.
If they are taking them while pregnant, there is an enormously higher risk the child will be born with an Autism Spectrum Disorder.
>>61232462 >we are guilted and treated like shit for asking questions, or having any concerns and not literally blindly and silently trusting our doctors. You realise that you can walk out and refuse to pay if they ignore your concerns, right?
>>61232619 You are in Australia, no offense, but I am not sure you understand the magnitude of the hive mind about this. I've called damned near every healthcare provider in the region, they either think you are a nutjob, they are the nutjob (think dirty hippy with a degree) or are booked for months.
Meanwhile, you can't even be put on the waiting list for the kids school until that shit is on point, at which point the teachers also think you are a piece of shit at any decent educational institution.
Emergency visits? "WTF, why isn't your child not vaccinated?" They start making phone calls, physically turning red in the face, asking if you have documentation proving "bonafide declaration of religious belief" (again, thinking you are completely against vaccines) and I've known parents that's had CPS called on them coincidentally after the fact.
It might not be the same all over the US, in fact I'm sure its not (oregon, etc), but alas, I'm in a red state. The group-think is astounding.
Have any tests been done to verify vaccines don't cause autism with the full schedule of vaccines? Every scientific study I have read involved giving a child just one type of vaccine and seeing what the side effects are. I have never seen a study using the agressive schedule that is in current use.
>>61223169 >the simplest, most innocuous things set off some peoples' bodies Autism isn't an adverse reaction.
Autism is a specific structural disorder of the brain and cannot be caused by vaccines.
There is a difference between claiming vaccines cause adverse reactions (which they do in about 1% of all cases in varying intensity from mild skin irritation to death) and claiming vaccines cause autism (which they do in exactly 0% of all cases in varying intensity from nonexistent to mythical)
It's like trying to inform people that dingos eat babies by claiming that a cabal of dingos is behind unreported 9/11 style terrorist attacks across Australia.
Dingos do obviously eat babies and that is obviously horrible. That doesn't mean they are terrorists.
>>61224837 Educated is a broad term. Having a liberal arts degree means you're educated but it certainly doesn't mean you know anything about vaccination. Better to look at the proportion of doctors and biologists who are against vaccination. My bet is that it's smaller.
>>61225851 >having your kids vaccinated for a disease that might or might not kill them (most likely not) but then give your kids a chance of becoming autistic. I've got a distant cousin that got brain swelling from a vaccine preventable disease and was turned into a lifelong retard.
Not an autist, a retard. There are people that function relatively fine with mild autism. He's spending the rest of the life in the care of others.
>>61236281 >Mumps can cause encephalitis, an inflammation of the brain, which can lead to seizures or brain damage. About 1 in 20 people with mumps get mumps meningitis, an infection of the lining of the brain. http://www.healthlinkbc.ca/healthfiles/hfile14c.stm
>>61235160 >come down with one of the worst flus I've ever had a few days later 1. No vaccine is 100% effective. At best you'll get high 90s. 2. The flu vaccine is less so because there are a bunch of different types of flu, they all mutate constantly, and they basically make the vaccine by looking at all the variants out at the moment and predicting which shit they should prepare for in the months it will take to make each batch of vaccine 3. It actually takes several days for the flu vaccine to take effect during which time you are completely vulnerable to the flu
>>61236969 >But only a complete retard would discard his entire campaign and policies just for a statement. What if the statement was calling for violating the Geneva Convention or tossing out freedom of religion or just a string of all together retarded and offensive shit that will probably get him permabanned from one of our 4 most important allies on Monday?
Also what if he was a total pussy about an old woman taking a piss?
>>61223374 Not if the people threaten to not re-elect them, remember many of these are new elects they will do what their constituents tell them to. They got a whiff of that power and now it's like a junkie and his needle. Plus the border states will want the jobs for building it.
>>61225382 This. Chicken pox vaccine is another weird one. Flu shots are retarded unless you are old as balls. Honestly, MMR doesn't matter since its a virus and mutates like the flu but they don't tell you that.
(this is why classrooms of kids get sick with measles despite being vaccinated, viruses mutate)
Funny, I actually think that's the one that's controversial.
>>61223840 >>61224257 Better than having autism because a lot of these vaccinated diseases aren't fatal, vaccinate for the dangerous ones that are on the upswing and spread the rest out. There'd are doctors and medical professionals that agree. No one is claiming that vaccines do nothing except some tin foil after idiots that drink bottles of Alex Jones' cum disguised as "nutrient supplement". This is a straw man to suggest Trump is anti-vax. He is simply anti "load a 3-5 year old with small doses of a dozen or so of some of the world's historically deadliest diseases." It's fucking common sense that that is a bad idea. But goota do it cause it is cheap.
>>61238015 >But that's wrong, you fucking retard. >Deaths: An estimated 13,712 people with an AIDS diagnosis died in 2012 >CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people. I wasn't commenting on which will kill you more effectively, only which is more dangerous.
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