I have to go with Arizona or New Mexico. The southwest really can't be beat. But go ahead and shill for your state anyway.
Based Kansan here, though I've had to live in Tempe Arizona for the past 4 years for work. I have to say this is a shithole state filled with spics, but even the white people suck. None of the youngsters are true conservatives, even the ones who label themselves as such, save maybe some Mormons (except all mormons like the spics cause they can convert them in bulk). And the buildings are so fucking ugly. Can't even touch my car door handle in the summer without getting a third degree burn. And don't get me started on the lack of decent camping options. Who wants to camp in a fucking desert?
I know it's irrational, but I have a soured view on your state cause of this SJW cunt
Fuck you, Arizona's great. BACK TO KANSAS with you.
New Mexico is beyond shit
Literally a worthless wasteland full of the scuzziest of border hoping beans and filthy artsy hippies that stink like BO
Plus it has the luck to be a hick backwoods AND a blue state. Its the WORST of two worlds
I found your problem. Only spics and assholes live in Tempe
Oh never mind carry on
forget the sjwness of it, i really hate the show cause of its le tumblr quriky vibe. Good to hear y'all are redpilled on it, though. I do plan on visiting Indiana one day so I'll try to have an open mind.
Massachusetts. Outside of Boston, you can do whatever the fuck you want. Business laws are pretty relaxed and open up a lot of opportunities. I wanted to start making and selling beer two days ago and I got my liquor license on the first day. Free market is real yo. No tax on clothes either.
>I've been all around Utah and I can say this is mainly just a Salt Lake problem, which is already ruined anyway cause of the buttsex mayor. The rest of it is pretty based and conservative, and it's a big state.
I agree that Arizona, Imperial County (CA), and Texas are pretty GOAT but New Mexico is like the weird step-child.
AZ shill here btw
Had to drive through Arizona and NM recently. States were ugly as fuck, boring, dry, Mexican.... Can't imagine why anyone would want to live there.
South is full of southerners and niggers.
Northeast filled with SJW's.
Midwest empty and deserted as fuck, more dry plains, hicks.
I'm gonna have to vote for the Northwest. Sure, it's still liberal, but at least they aren't looney and bankrupting themselves like California. Lots of trees, lots of rain, and you got the coast. Idaho ain't bad either.
>No New Hampshire
You guys are all fucking retarded.
>lax gun laws
>no sales tax
>no state income tax
>state sponsored liquor stores the size of warehouses
>best state in the GOAT region of New England
maine, maryland, and virginia
fuck these three states for enslaving the glorious aryan in the 16 and 1700s,
you guys deserve the nigs, and maine, i guess you get off scot free
I cannot express the level of satisfaction I get from seeing California fall. That's what they get for putting a traditional agriculture industry in a FUCKING DESERT. Corrupt laws prevent these crops from being grown where they actually should be grown (the South), and so that's all the more reason to hate this shithole.
>Honorable mentions to Scottsdale
I agree with you that Gilbert is pretty based and comfy, but you're leaving out great AZ cities like Chandler and Sierra Vista.
Also, Mesa really is shit depending on where you are. Central Mesa is absolute shit, West Mesa is half-shit-half-okay. East Mesa is pretty cool though.
T E X A S
Northern Minnesota/North Dakota is truly God's country
I lived in Southwest Virginia for three years where what you're talking about was going on literally right down the street. It never bothered me. There were other mountains around.
Frankly, the whole coal economy is retarded and the rural dipshits get what they deserve for staking their entire livelihood on a nonrenewable resource. It would be understandable if this were a new thing and they were completely unaware of how big coal is fucking them, but it's been going on for 100 or so years. My grandfather mined coal most of his life and as soon as there was a mining strike he packed up and moved to Richmond because he was smart enough to read the writing on the wall.
Go anywhere but Arizona, it's America's sweaty butthole. It's so fucking hot there.
>Arizona is dry and full of spics meme
You don't really appreciate Arizona until you've actually lived here and explored this diverse fucking state. Sure, many counties have a high hispanic population, but really a large portion of them are conservative catholics who work hard and mind their own business. They hate the cholos and vatos as equally as everyone else, even if there are some in the family.
There are many towns and small cities with majority white population, with very low nigga #'s and a relatively small latino population.
Also pic related to the diversity of AZ. great state if you love outdoors, only California beats Arizona in that respect.
t. AZ shill
>not mentioning Montana's greatest asset
>comfy as fuck
>can experience the wonderful north and enjoy being a forest man in the north
>can enjoy Somalia .5
>can enjoy that beautiful beaches
>niggers keep to themselves in Somalia and the land of the lead
>did I mention that the UP and upper LP is pretty much the south of the north
>thinks the Twin Cities represent the 218 area code
You can always tell the quality of a State by the Quality of its Interstate shit houses.
Pic related. Its a public toilet facility along the highway in Virginia.
You don't have to live in Maricopa or Pima county, anon.
NC here, it's not too bad. There's a pretty good music scene here in the college regions. With nice mountains to the west of the state, and beaches to the East. You got your fair share of nig nogs in some parts, but for the south, it's not so bad.
Born in las cruces lived in both cruces and Santa Fe for years. I love the culture, can't be beat, but let's face it, people there are idiots, highest teen pregnancy rate, drugs galore, fags all over in Santa Fe, it's really a ghetto shit hole. Food is second to none though. There is a lot of nice things about NM but far from best state.
I live in southern California not. California is a shit but if it were to break off, Southern California would be top tier. Unfortunately that isn't the case.
Somewhere on the coast. But not the Gulf, it's shitty there. Either east coast or west coast, pick your poison.
West coast has more beautiful girls. You don't want to be too cold, so try California, SoCal in particular. You don't want to be near any big cities, because they're full of smog, the people are horrible and the scenery sucks.
Nah not really... Let's face it nobody like injuns including spics, but there's no friction worth mentioning. Injuns stick to themselves drugging and drinking it up. They are the lowest class you can get.
>more strawman and argumentum ad populum fallacies
Low IQ millennial detected. How sad!
>Houses the most powerful companies in the world i.e Silicon Valley
>Beautiful things to explore even if city is not your thing
Come at me faggots
I'm just making the natural assumption that any Catholic with an American flag is a beaner. It's not far fetched since they make up the majority of Catholics.
I don't even consider Catholicism a white religion. Only protestants are white.
>Come at me faggots
but you would enjoy that all too much
>no true scotsman
More logical fallacies and strawman arguments. Pathetic!
There's a lot of cool shit here. You just have to know where to look. Besides, you can walk into the state capitol building with an AR15 slung and literally not be breaking any laws.
And if you don't like hippies, stay away from Taos and Santa Fe.
I'm not saying Polish aren't white. I'm saying odds are if you are a Catholic you're most likely non white. And that applies on a worldwide scale since Catholicism is a white minority religion. In America especially.
Are you serious? Protestants broke up into ethnic groups centuries ago and all those ethnic groups are white.
Illegal Mexican women? Feminist dykes? Don't make me laugh.
Most degenerate kike-infested cumstain on the face of the earth. Fuck Hollywood and everything that comes out of there.
Some parts of the Bay are alright. Otherwise San Francisco is a liberal shithole. Also more expensive to live than in NYC. Literally a shithole, have you seen SF's homeless open defecation problem lately?
>Houses the most powerful companies in the world i.e Silicon Valley
Fair enough but Facebook a shit.
>Beautiful things to explore even if city is not your thing
Fair enough, Northern California, its mountains and forests are quiet beautiful.
My Aunt lives in Buckhead in a gated neighborhood with security guards. Her house got burgled last weekend. No one in custody yet but a gang of housebreaking niggers that has been operating in the area is suspected.
A lot of the spics here come from families who settled here not too long after the Spaniards came back after the 1680 Pueblo Revolt. They're a totally different animal than the wetbacks.
Yes, this is true. The Pueblos generally keep to themselves, though I'm pretty sure that they hate them. The Navajos hate the Mexicans. My sister is a Paramedic, and she has plenty of stories about Navajos not wanting to get into the ambulance with a Mexican. The Spaniards and then the Mexicans treated the Indians like shit. The Pueblos were treated pretty good once the US took over, and the Navajos and Apaches raided the shit out of everything, so the Army came in, regulated, and there might be some animosity there.
Oh and you're going to understand why protestants have their own sects soon. Wait until the non white fully take over the church hierarchy and decide we saints now. I hope you like praying to Aztec war lords.
Clearly none of you fuckers have ever been to Michigan before.. it's basically snow Hawaii.
I dare someone to tell me Iowa isn't the most based state in the blessed US-of-Fucking-A!
[spoiler]We have the highest suicide rate of any state for a reason...[/spoiler]
Eat shit and die faggot
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Yeah I know this area is treated like the misfit Chicago Jr. area of the state, but Indiana as a whole isn't bad. I have learned to appreciate the low cost of living, cheap booze, fertile land for growing, fireworks, guns, and forests. I want to move to the countryside.
I've lived in NC, FL, LA, WA, and AK.
AK is by far my favorite, but, I'm a simple man, I live just outside of Soldotna and all it takes for me to have a good day is to go watch the Chinook come home on the Kenai in the fall........ahhhhhhh beautiful.
Albuquerque, NM is a shithole of faggots, spics, and stupid fucking indians. Great food though.
Keke keep fucking your cousins you inbred white trash rednecks
You're right, except for the NE Heights. The "spics" there aren't Mexican, they're Spanish and they're usually really conservative. The rest of Albuquerque is a fucking anus. I work in Albuquerque but live in the East Mountains, literally the most Anglo part of New Mexico. Life is great. Low crime area where I live, living is insanely cheap, open forested mountain space, extremely lax gun laws; its a dream.
>Arizona or New Mexico
Deserts - Literally no water.
Not much else
Alabama reporting in.
Lots of nignogs but can be avoided ez.
Cheap land and lax gun laws.
Low taxes and overall Christian conservative.
Beautiful women with class and family values.
Overall a good place to live for upstanding citizens
Top 5 power rankings for states with best wilderness/outdoors?
honorable mentions: Oregon, Maine.
Cheap cost of living, reasonably low taxes, decent job market, low back population so,long as you stay away from 4 areas in general (Madison, Racine, Kenosha, Milwaukee's north/south sides). State is mostly conservative other than Madison/Milwaukee, lots of rural space, decent year-round weather(shit cold today, though), relaxed gun laws, no major regular natural disaster shit to always stress about....it could be worse!
Tornados are pretty infrequent - a few through the entire state every year, but not in abundance.
Green Bay, I guess I forgot about it, but I haven't had a reason to pass through it in almost 20 years, so it could be a real shithole by now.
come to the south side of chicago, we need more white people, or if not white, then not a nigger
If you are actually white, harsh winters should not bother you. I've lived in VT my whole life and no real issue with winters.
The best states are the whitest states, so stick to the northernmost ones. NH, ME, ND, SD, MT, ID, WA, OR are the best states. MN is fine if you stay away from cities.
I used to think Arizona sucked for outdoors, till I explored the mountains. Also nice desert areas if there are hills. Tons of cute birds and critters.
I'm going to visit the Grand Canyon soon, and Sedona sometime as well. I heard those are both great places.
West side reporting in. Fucking AIDS. Hobos & cholos everywhere, it's awful.
>southern hospitality without the niggers
>everyone owns a gun even libcucks
>cost of living is dirt because we're poor
>live like a king on $11 an hour
>$300k homes are around $90 to $150k in shitty parts of the state because no one wants to live in eastern tucky
>tucky has a texan attitude without being as cool as texas (more don't tread on me flags and bumper stickers than I can shake a fried chicken leg at)
>Kim Davis was hilariously awesome because Kentucky takes no shit even when it comes to simple things like signing your name (also we're lazy)
>cantucky waaald cayuutsss
You guys are shameful. You are letting a bunch of faggots come into your state and ruin it's mountains.
Your ancestors who went through hell settling those mountains and later the ones who fought to the tooth battling the coal companies and the Feds would be appalled at your lack of action.
"But hey, basketball, AMIRITE?"
ps, Kentucky and Texas could not be more different
New Jersey is legitimately the best state. I will never understand the reputation we receive from butthurt faggots who try to act like we're some disgusting dumping ground and not actually one of the wealthiest, best located states in the union.
I'm literally an hour drive from Manhattan or Philly. 20 minutes from the shore. Cheap gas, incredible restaurants, great infrastructure, hot girls,
sorry fags, we've got you beat
We have more public land than all of those states. And more diverse ecosystems as well.
>tfw temperate rain forests an hour away from scorching deserts.
Also highest density of natural arches and bridges on earth.
Disappointed in the lack of Texans here. Where are all the Texans at?
That's the worst state
Yale sucks just as much dick as harvard or any other if those Ivy League shits
Also you guys staged a massacre of school children to take the country's guns away
and turn the kids into zombies with the pharmaceutical drugzzzzz
That's where I lived but it was all obnoxious liberal college kids and misguided honkeys.
Not the pure, good hill folk but the drunk, stupid ones.
your ancestors would spit in your face if they heard you say you didn't give a shit about the mountains
You are some nihilist faggot who needs to get raped by a pack of niggers
Strange how a guy who's from Kansas and lives in Arizona had to tell a Kentuckian this
Anyone who legitimately likes Arizona is over the age of 55 or is a cowboytard. Arizona ranges from 3rd world to tryhard imitation rural hills/forest town. Everything is so fake and cheap in Arizona, even the people don't seem real. They just go around absorbed in their own world, no greetings or conversation around there.
Even the nicest areas are hipster college libcuck kiddie shitholes.
bad press after the nigger riot
And the ozarks are full of shitty meth labs
Don't get me wrong, as an outsider looking in, the ozarks look based as fuck, but you'd have to get rid of the meth faggots before I'd ever live there
Pennsylvanian here. We're basically average in every statistic, but our taxes are high. I live in a town that's 99% white and have had 6 meth labs busted within 2 years and our population is only ~3,000. Truly Pennsyltuckey.
You sound like the typical out of stater that doesn't understand Arizona at all.
Arizona's #1 problem is all the fucking immigrants from Cali and Illinois.
Anyone that doesn't appreciate or like Arizona is some millennial edgy try hard faggot that either isn't of age or hasn't grown the fuck up yet.
I've think I've only ever seen ONE guy with a cowboy hat here.
Sure maybe in tombstone they wear that garb, and the Navajos up north seem to be into it too. But overall, anyone who thinks Arizona really has any of it's cowboy status alive is someone who has never been here
You're probably some shitty Jew Yorker though
Dude. I did trailwork on the trail leading to the rainbow bridge when I was a crew leader for the Utah Conservation Corps.
That place is a trip. Fucking gorgeous. There are still 500+ year old hogans right off of the trail. Wish I could upload pics but my other laptop took a shit.
I'd say meth is a much bigger problem in the southwest than in Pennsylvania
And wtf is with that pennsyltucky bullshit? Why don't you take responsibility for your own fucking state. If you don't like certain parts of it, give it to West Virginia or something
Take your pick. All great white states that embrace education and natural beauty.
Don't be fooled by red states. Their conservative outlook may be tempting, but their populace is basically retarded. The entire south is a deathhole.
Yep. The West Side (pretty much Taylor Ranch, Paradise Hills, and the ass end of Rio Rancho) used to be the Anglo haven from the 70s to the 90s. Now they're doo-doo skinned Meccas for Mexiturds. However, there are plenty of Gringos still left in those locales that I am sure will make a serious respond against the insurgency.
Oh yeah, and Montana and Idaho are honorable mentions as well.
BTW I've lived all over and I'm actually aware what living in these places is like. Everyone else here is an uneducated one-state cuckfag.
Imperial Valley and Central Valley and some other parts all along the Eastern border are not too bad. These are the most "chill" / non-liberal areas.
I personally really enjoy Orange County as well.
It's not that I didn't know about it, I didn't know that is what you meant in your intial post, which is why I asked. It's a culture here, I didn't think anything of it because I'm 27 and it's been prevelant my whole life. Coal mining has been here forever. You look at every single car around here and they have a "friends of coal" sticker on it. Unless you're talking about people who aren't Kentuckians removing the coal, then you have no idea what you're talking about. When you live in a completely isolated area without running water and the government doesn't care because you're not a feral nigger, they do what they can. Piss poor education system as well as strong work ethic to "earn your keep" is present in these little dinky ass towns and you'd be laughed at or shot, maybe both; if you went into an eastern ky town and said "stop blastin muh mountains!!". This is a part of the country that runs itself, by its own rules. There are no libtards running around trying to stop this. I don't really think you understand what it's like to live in a county of 20k people, with maybe 6 gas stations and a grocery store in the whole county and expect every single one of those people to have jobs. Our ancestors would be damn proud we made a cent given the situation, so you can take your opinion and keep it in your shitty state. We don't have much, but it's ours.
People from somewhere like New Jersey, and think Arizona is all dirt and cowboys just cause that's how it was in the 1880s and he saw a few movies that take place then, really piss me off.
I think it's also become trendy to hate on Arizona cause the media lies about how we treat immigrants poorly. No, nobody really talks to strangers here, and the "extremists" are just the ones just trying to even barely follow the current laws
But Niggerbama will probably cry before his terms up about how "we need to give our mexican brothers and sisters a home" and people will be so worried about being called racists that they will spit in the face of reasonable immigration restrictions and economics reality just so jon Stewart will sing a song of praise to them
confirmed for worthless faggot whos never been in the Hudson Valley. arizona is for obvious faggot cuck wanna be important but doesnt know how to go about it the right way. i kinda feel bad for you..oh wait..no i dont
Arkansas is based as fuck as long as you stay away from places with high populations of YOU KNOW WHO.
>mfw sitting outside my 16 acres of wilderness on the porch drinking a beer and just chilling with my dog beside me, not a care in the world
I used to live in AZ. Wanna know the real reason it sucks so much?
Native American filth. That undeserved sense of entitlement. muh reservations! muh stolen land!
Trash. Literally, trash all over the place. Take one step into the rez and it's trash and pissed pants sleeping natives as far as the eye can see.
Oh, and beaners.
The only good thing about AZ is the Mogollon rim. And ponderosa natnl forest
You have no idea. Drug overdoses are so common, the obituaries include a young 20 something weekly. Bad heroin and meth is such a problem that the police report frequently about bad batches going around. Plus the Pagan motorcycle gang controls the drug trade and production through intimidation, which is common in small towns around me as well.
And take responsibility? Hell I tried. Everyone here preaches being in a red state is good yet they won't supply our cops with overdose preventing medication because "it might encourage drug use." You drive through these quint looking little towns throughout PA but once you get off the main roads you would swear you were in the ghettos of Detroit. Condemned houses, white trash kids as young as 8 walking around unsupervised flipping off cars and smoking cigarettes. Fuck off with all this conservative shit cuz it's not working. I travel around and have been to blue states and their small towns don't look like a big fire hazard.
If you live by yourself with your own rules, why can't you just grow your own food like your ancestors did? Why do you even need paper bills?
If you are truly independent why do ol you need the rest of the country's currency, that it's worth blasting the mountains?
Mountaintop removal just looks so ugly to me
When you can't dig out any more coal, I'd say give up and not remove the fucking top
Not to mention all the shit it does to your water supply
Kentucky here. I'd assume the reason they're refusing overdose medication or whatever you're talking about is because lack of education about what it is. They probably are under the impression they'll just try to catch a buzz off of it. They introduced suboxone here and now people said fuck oxycontin and are doing suboxone. That's how sad it is, suboxone is supposed to help opiate addicts get off, but addicts and non addicts get high as shit off of it.
>largest military base on the face of the planet (Fort Bragg)
>beautiful mountains, rolling hills, plains, and beaches all included (outer banks are the icing on top)
>Charlotte is quickly becoming of the best cities to live in, also business and physical growth is booming
>one of the 13 original colonies so rich history
>Panthers keep splooging
>one of the best college systems in the country
>prime tobacco and moonshine
>can buy local craft beer in 64oz refillable growlers grom grocery stores
>the wild women, the wild women, the rippin and a-tearing, the rippin and a-tearin
Lighthouses occupied by clams
State is forty feet across. Everyone lives in Burlington. Mostly occupied by tourists.
Mosquitos. Should be annexed by Canada.
Only known for piss beer. Glove shaped mistake of god. Niggers and Michael Moore
>not mentioning Grand Canyon
Also, fuck you, we're not gonna get the land anyway cause the Feds will never give it to is, so might as well let the navajo have it
if they didn't treat stray dogs so shittily, I'd have a lot more tolerance for the navajos, I could not give two fucks about the wife beating problem
I say let the navajo have the land. It WAS fucking theirs
Yeah I agree about the fucking spics though
I ducking hate some of those faggots
I went to our town hall meeting after 2 people died from my HS class from meth overdoes within a month to explain exactly that.
The response was that we are a religious town that does not want to encourage drug use. Same people are putting up Trump signs. No logic, no reasoning, and I'm tired of this shit. People are dying and my town is falling apart yet everyone wants things to remain the same old status quo.
It really depends on the tribe anon. Navajo for example just fuck around on their rez primarily. Apache are pretty "nationalistic" (for good reason, pretty based people in context of what faced them) and they really don't get along with the other tribes. For the most part they just fuck around on their land as well.
Pima and Maricopa tribes are a problem because a lot of land in Maricopa, Pinal, and Pima counties are reservation lands (which are all different tribes technically, such as Gila, Tohono, Pee-Posh, etc)
This just creates a problem because many cities have to build around these reservations and therefore you see a lot of intermingling, and when these specific tribes fuck around in the city they usually hold a grudge due to the constraints of being surrounded by such urban sprawl.
When you're on their land it's their land, it's technically sovereign land. They have their own laws and everything, though they are pressured by the feds and state govt. So it explains why when you go on the Navajo or Apache reservations why they're hostile to whities. I mean wouldn't you be? They see it as their land and their country. They're not hostile, but they're definitely making it clear that it's their land, their rules. Kind of based desu.
Also the tribes around Flagstaff tend to be hostile towards the people there because they're actually too Liberal for them it's kind of funny how that works.
^these dudes, the 1491's, are pretty based (just imagine them as white people) and apply that context.
>largest military base
This is a good thing? I wouldn't want all that shit near me.
I'm very anti government myself though
Better fucking preserve those
>booming city, growth
So a bunch of out of state faggots like me, or faggots from up north coming in and completely changing your state is a good thing?
I did that on purpose. There is nothing great about the grand canyon. MUMMY LOOK AT THE GIANT HOLE IN THE GROUND.
If you want actual "grand" canyons, move to Utah.
Also Meth. Just admit it Anon, AZ is a brownfaced shithole. Everything good it has, another state has better.
The thing is through the Injuns dont like the Liberal hippes and faggots, they just want their shekels and then go home, drink beer and joke with their friends and family about the dumb ass fucking white kids with stretched ears, pink hair, and piercings all over their faces.
Also, I meant to post pic related and not that Jon Snow pic.
>The thing is through the Injuns dont like the Liberal hippes and faggots
And yet they are still the gas huffing hippy magnet.
Between DUDEWEED, spics and over population. That's just for starters.
It's all shit.
Nah. Utah is based.
Remove the Mormons and it would be absolutely based. And say what you want about the space jesus followers, at least they're white.
Even the natives have been cucked by the native american church to the point of no return. They destroyed their own culture and lost their land.
Should've fought harder.
So what? Every state has fucking indian reservations, and many have been Red states for 100+ years. Liberals in Red states are a minority, it's easy to avoid them and ignore them.
Indians and nearly half of all hispanics in AZ are conservative or at least have conservative values. Many latino and native veterans as well, specifically from AZ. The list of notable native american soldiers or combatants that fought for the USA is actually kind of impressive.
Eh, she's a dyke. But since the gubment is pretty much bought and payed for by the mormon church, It doesn't really make a difference.
Salt lake blows anyways. Worst air quality almost in the whole USA and too many homeless.
Arkansas is pretty GOAT. Harrison, the city where the klan operates out of is almost 100% white because we literally forced all of the niggers out of town at the turn of the century. There is even a billboard that says "Anti racism is anti white!"
Notable things about Texas.
>fox racing lifted dodge truck highschoolers who snuff copenhagen
>bud light lime
>closet gay Ted Cruz
Texas is just big Oklahoma. But hotter.
Arizona is nothing but a burned over desert. No life exists outside of Phoenix. It is to be avoided at all costs, especially if you are a Californian, or New Yorker. Bands of cannibals roam the wastes preying on unlucky travelers.
Yes. Flagstaff is very high in altitude and as you drive down the mountains from flagstaff to Phoenix it goes from being cool and forested to a dry desert. I think that trip is only a couple driving hours.
You go from pine trees to cactus very quickly.
South Arkansas is a shit hole no offense. East as well. Too many god damn jiggaboos. Northwest Arkansas is where it's at. Mountains, lakes, a good urban center in Fayetteville and Bentonville. Fort Smith isn't terrible either. Though I'm sure there aren't bigger shit holes than Pine Bluff and Jonesboro.
I'll grant you there's far too many spooks down this way, but be damned if I'll see you call it shit otherwise. Especially calling Fayetteville good.
Now, I think we can both agree on the beauty of Albert Pike, them Quachitas is something to see. I've been there and about all around the states, few of them compare to the natural beauty of Arkansas.
wat? google maps says it is a 2 hr 16 min drive - 145 miles. I've also done it like six times.
Re altitude, all is relative I guess, but the point is yes, in AZ there are forests as well as desert.