>>61212910 How is he least bad? If you dig into him he's easily a Rubio/Bush tier scumbag. For fucks sake before Obama released Pollard he was saying he'd do it as President.
Cruz is nothing but a self serving power-hungry career politician. He ran on the coat tails of the Tea Party movement because he wouldn't have gotten elected to the Senate otherwise, and secretly took Wall Street money to fund his campaign (with the help of his banker wife), while at the same time railing against the banks pretending to be a Tea Partier.
The GOP is terrified of Trump winning in a landslide and governing by threat over them because he's bankrolled every governor since the mid 90s.
Therefore since Jeb and Rubio are clearly too weak they're trying their last insider on for size. Sadly Cruz is a complete retard and practically handed Trump the nomination AND the general with his new york value spiel.
Protip: A month ago, did you notice Shillary go from whining about "those republicans" to specifically targeting Trump? Did you see the other GOPers begin to assault him and him alone, ignoring each other?
>>61213233 Whoa, let me stop you right there. You seem confused. Ted Cruz is indeed a cuckservative, and he is in fact very much part of the Washington establishment. Cruz was a Bush Administration official. His wife is an executive at Goldman Sachs, part of the Wall Street wing of the establishment. His Senate campaign was funded by Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Club for Growth, and Chamber of Commerce, all establishment organizations. His wife also advocates for a North American Union, which has for a while been a neoconservative policy goal. She sits on the Council of Foreign Relations, a neoconservative establishment think tank.
Don't let Cruz ruse you. He's deeply embedded with the establishment. The reason the other establishment guys don't like him is twofold, and has absolutely nothing at all to do with his policies (which he flip flops on all the time anyway. They don't like him because, by all accounts, he's unpleasant to be around on a personal level, and he stepped out of line by deciding to run, which is very much against the rules of decorum among establishment types.
>>61213120 This times ten. And I'll admit the media did a good job, even had me believing it. Then I stopped and thought wait what even makes this guy anti establishment? His working for george bush? The connections to big banks? Answer: absolutely nothing
>>61213750 Personally, I would not care if 99% of the country supported Cruz, I will never do it, because I know what he's really about and it's bad news.
But your analysis leaves a lot to be desired. If Cruz were as popular as you say, he wouldn't be behind Trump in every state, including Iowa btw. Cruz is now behind Trump in Iowa again. His numbers are falling fast.
Ted Cruz will never, ever have the cross-party appeal of Trump. he's too divisive. He embodies everything many on the other side deplore about the Republican Party, and his anti-establishment ruse will not be able to be kept up for much longer.
>>61212910 no, they are literally all shit, and trump is by far the best republican candidate. I do not like trump at all, but every other candidate is goddamn retarded, and cruz is the WORST leading candidate in the entire race, worse than shillary, worse than carson the fucking retard, he's just absolute shit.
I was under the impression that cuckservative had to do with giving into the liberal side of social issues and immigration due to fear of being labeled racist, a bigot, etc. and that being Pro-Israel, Pro-Globalism was being a Neo-Con.
Just goes to show how dangerous religious fundamentalism is to the human psyche. You have a World Class Neurosurgeon who's obviously highly intelligent, yet he speaks like a 15 year old with Aspergers and believes the earth is 6,000 years old and the Pyramids where fucking grain silos.
>>61212783 I remember first seeing him with /pol/ during rands filibuster over the domestic drone program. Everyone was like "who is this guy". Pol loved him. Him and Rand. The only ones with the balls to stand up against it. Cruz stood with rand all night. Since then I have respected him.
I support Trump, but I don't forget that. He may have a punchable face, but I will not throw him under the bus.
/pol/'s reaction to Cruz just proves how retarded they are. Cruz is a libertarian who would side with Ron Paul on most issues. Except unlike Paul he isn't an effeminate weirdo. He's everything /pol/ has been asking for, but instead /pol/ supports Trump who is and always has been a New York liberal.
Either /pol/ is full of gullible, braindead morons who don't understand American politics or the majority of posters are now paid shills.
>inb4 Cruz supporter It wasn't that long ago the Trump fags all liked Cruz when he was the only Republican not attacking Trump, and now it's a full on attack on Cruz all because he said Trump is a New York Rockefeller Republican. And its the truth. For someone so unbeatable you guys sure are sensitive when he is criticised for anything.
Honestly Cruz does have the babyface thing going on.
I oppose him because he's a weak remnant of the neocon fringe, while Trump represents a return to Reaganite era ideals, or perhaps even Ike ideals.
That was the GOP when it was strong, when it meant something; look at Hillary and George Dubya and the similarities are so startling that it's hard to see why so many people persist in the delusion that most democrats and republicans aren't controlled by the same folks.
But Trump is self funding and much of DC owes him a favor, rather than him owing them; which gives him the leeway to do whatever the hell he wants.
I may not be a big fan of some of his ideals but I do believe he'd solve some of our more important issues- Cruz on the other hand cannot do so, since he's just another bankrolled puppet.
No he Isn't that's the misconception. He wants to audit the fed, dismantle the IRS, supports gun rights more than anyone, and has defended civil liberties at every turn. Name one candidate other than Paul who is a strict constitutionalist and has stood up for civil liberties.
>>61214998 The ends justify the means. If congress doesn't like executive orders then they can just write a law to reel them in. Cruz is just going to sell America to multinational banking interests while pretending to be conservative (much like Bush.)
>>61214103 I don't really like the idea he is even associated with the great Canuckistan, his spic mother shat him out in the patch? By far the scariest candidate.
I think it's best a female is inserted into the POTUS office for now if for no other reason than to put WW3 on hold, but Hillary doesn't really qualify. Intredasting times, sooner or later they are going to install the evangelical type and that's all they need to fire up Albert Pikes dream.
>>61214848 I never liked Cruz. He's a neocon and neoconservatism is one of the worst things that has ever happened to my country. It makes me so mad. I've always just sort of rolled my eyes at Ted Cruz, but now that he's #2, obviously we have to pay attention to him and keep him there. What else could we do?
Since Trump is owed favors by a large proportion of people in office I don't think that would be a problem.
Nobody, by the way, is against executive orders, they're against unconstitutional executive orders. Obama attacking the second amendment has nothing in common with an order issued to punish China for manipulating its currency or imposing its own tariffs.
I don't care about the wall- that's not one of the reasons I would support Trump- but if he holds congress' toes to the fire using mass public support he can get it done if he wants to.
>>61215474 >Take Cruz at his word despite his long record of being an establishment mook! Trust us!
No. That's the whole point. We don't trust him. What the fuck don't you get about this? I don't care what Ted Cruz SAYS. He's lying. Look at his career. Look at his connections. Follow the fucking money. He's lying to you.
You either don't know what that means or you're a Trump shill. Cruz isn't a neocon, that's why the establishment Republicans hate him. Trump has done a 180 on his political beliefs to court Republican voters, he can kiss babies, wave a bible and hug the flag all he wants, it doesn't change the fact that he's playing everyone on who he really is. On top of that he played the 9/11 card on Cruz, which is the ultimate neocon move. Trump has always supported Israel too, and yet it doesn't seem to bother /pol/ anymore. This place really has turned into Reddit.
Ted Cruz is a phony. It's not any more complicated than that. He spent his entire career as an establishment foot soldier, and when the winds started to shift, an opportunity presented itself for him to leverage himself into the Senate. He used us. He's still using some of us.
"Tea Party" is now a meaningless term used by any newcomer to the GOP side of congress; it was steadily bastardized from a constitutionalist movement to an evangelical one and now into "just call yourself a tea partier if you're running for office in a red state."
You guys can keep trying to conceal the truth, but you won't succeed. It's out there for everybody to see. Ted Cruz literally takes money from THE EXACT SAME PEOPLE THAT FUNDED OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT.
Former Paulfag here to save you from continued disappointment. Rand will never win for the same reasons that Al Gore couldn't. There are not enough autistics in the country for such a boring candidate to beat a high-energy, charismatic alpha in an election.
>>61214848 >liked Cruz when he was the only Republican not attacking Trump This was merely a strategic move on Cruz's behalf, he even admitted so. He wanted to piggyback on Trump's surge in the polls, and he couldn't do that by alienating Trump's supporters. He believes that Trump isn't going to be the nominee, so by 'befriending' Trump, he's hoping that he'll be able to hijack Trump's entire support base.
>>61213507 Not to mention the fact that he wanted to triple H1-B visas to displace hard working Americans with low-paid foreigners.
Just remember what happened at Disney to those IT workers who had to train their own fucking replacements. Ted Cruz is a reptilian snake oil salesman who supports open borders. Nobody was even talking about the border before Trump came along and blew this race wide open.
>>61215929 >it's a fact and not an opinion because I said it's a fucking fact
No, moron. They hate Cruz because he's opposed McConnell and Boehner's agenda in Congress. Him being unlikable is whats pushed by the liberal media to smear him, just like they smear Trey Gowdy and Jason Chaffetz.
I'd say this. Cruz has been uncompromising as a senator but this can be attributed to his political shrewdness and calculatory nature. This guy is so clearly inauthentic, who could trust him besides the gullible?
>>61214433 Lol, Ron Paul just bitch slapped Ted Cruz last week. Cruz wouldn't vote on the Audit the Fed bill. You know why right? Because he's not a real libertarian and he knows that all that Goldman Sachs money won't keep flowing unless he falls in line.
>Ted Cruz rips GOP leadership to shreds on the floor of the Senate >by Trump shill, /pol/ must hate him for this because it's Trump, not Cruz, who is the natural outsiders in spite of the fact that most of Trump's positions are newly come by >because only Trump can appeal to "moderates"
Because he's smart enough to realize that the crazy libertarian ideas he and the Pauls come up with will get voted down. That's the best thing about him. While Ben Carson is literally the smartest candidate we have Cruz is the smartest when it comes to government and you can't really argue that he isn't smarter than trump when it comes to government and law.
He was also the only notable person who voted for Pauls refugee bill.
>>61215215 Cruz is not natural born plain and simple. All those other points are great, but he has no basis for being president. He will be sued and he will lose. Even if he weren't to lose, does the Republican party really want this hanging over their heads? It would be a disaster if he wasn't allowed to run.
More people need to know about this event. He went to a forum, about Christianity and specifically the special issues revolving around ME Christian communities, and immediately started sucking Jewish cock so hard people there got upset.
"Evangelical" Christian my ass.
Dude is a faggot. That, alone, guaranteed he'd never get a vote or a good word from me.
>>61215999 You should like the JIDF, after all Trump is one of Israel's biggest supporters. You know how I know you're a Trump shill? All of a sudden anyone who criticizes Trump is a Cruz supporter. Take your talking points and shove them right back up your ass, shill.
Why would he show up to vote when it has no chance of passing? Why would he show up for any vote that has no chance of passing? Are you really so naive that you don't think congressman know the results before they happen? If anything it shows he knows how to pick his battles and which libertarian ideas others find to be crazy.
>>61217033 To give voice to the issue. He's in second place. When the vote took place, he was the Iowa frontrunner (he's not anymore and won't be again).
A true LEADER uses his position to speak for the people, on their behalf. To bring in the attention that follows him to things that matter.
Does anybody have any doubt at all that if Trump were a Senator running for President, and the vote happened, he would go to Washington, turn it into a big media show, and use it as an opportunity to display leadership and whip up attention for the issue? Of course he would.
Cruz didn't do any of that because (a) he's no leader and he would have no idea how to pull anything like that off, and (b) he didn't give a fuck. He's in this for himself.
>>61217231 >Cruz didn't do any of that because (a) he's no leader and he would have no idea how to pull anything like that off, and (b) he didn't give a fuck. He's in this for himself.
This is the major difference between them. Trump is a businessman who now has an interest in poltiics. Cruz is a professional politician who has taken up with elite banking interests in order to get more power.
Trump sees politics as means to enact change while Cruz sees it all as simply a means to enrich himself.
Stop focusing so much on the Jewish part of it, you fuckwit. He went to a Christian conference as a Christian and proceeded to bitch at everyone for being too focused on Christian things at a Christian conference.
How much are they paying you per post? Normal, actually decent people understand how fucked up that is, ESPECIALLY when the guy in question is trying to paint himself as a model evangelical for Christians at home.
Trump's daughter could be a fucking Satanist for all I care, that isn't anywhere near the same magnitude of sliminess that Cruz pulls off on a regular basis. Electing him would like putting a weaker Saddam Hussein into the white house.
>>61217275 >Trump attacks Cruz, goes full birther and even invokes 9/11 like a good little neocon >immediately see anti-Cruz threads and posts all over /pol/ >anyone who criticizes Trump is called a Cruz shill
Fuck off, Trump shill. I was going to vote for Trump until he pulled than cheap 9/11 bulllshit. Now its obvious what a fucking joke he is that he has to pull the "muh 9/11, New York stronk" bullshit to deflect from any criticism.
No you weren't; you're either a terrified Cruz supporter who realizes he fucked up or you're a democrat terrified because your candidate will either be a wishy washy goldman sachs bank candidate or an elderly socialist.
>>61217621 Nobody cares who you pretend you were going to vote for. You're nothing but a little lying rat just like Cruz. You DO support Cruz. You deny it, we disbelieve you. It's that simple. You're not good at concealing it.
Ted Cruz is a Marrano Jew and an establishment neocon. His entire fucking career is evidence of that. It just is.
He's not one of us. He's a shadowy outsider. That's why he rubs so many people the wrong way. He doesn't fit in. He not part of "us". And he never can be.
The feeling's mutual, faggot. Its braindead morons like you who are ruining this country. You see a few shitty memes on a Indonesian Ice Sculpting forum and suddenly you can't stop sucking Trump's dick. Fuck off
>>61217865 See you on the battlefield motherfucker.
We're going to end your kike candidate's career.
Frankly, I won't even be content to get rid of Cruz's campaign for President, I want him out of the Senate too. He's a snake, just like you, traitor, and he doesn't belong anywhere near the halls of power.
...And that's it? Nothing else? You're just going to focus on "da jooz" like a faggy stormfront bitch and not say a single damned thing to defend against the evidence for how fucking pathetic and sleazy the syrupnigger is?
These Cruzbots have gone from "Trump is a meme" to "Trump is okay but Cruz is the better Trump" to "Trump is pure evil and insane and a liberal and can never get elected" because their Canuck-Israelimerican tri-citizen made a gaffe larger than anyone has since Dean's scream.
>>61217621 Cruz wants to invade Iran, and personally threatened to murder the Iranian Ayatollah if he didn't put an end to the country's nuclear energy ambitions. He also wants to "bomb the Middle East until the sand starts glowing in the dark." He's the epitome of what it means to be a neoconservative.
>>61218157 Yup. It was a strategy the entire time. they used Trump like a bullet sponge. A tight end to block for Cruz. Cruz tried everything he could to be Trump Jr. and curry support that way, only to stab him in the back for bringing up a perfectly legitimate issue about his citizenship controversy.
/pol/ likes Trump because he has the balls to be anti-PC with no bullshit, and isn't apologizing or backing down despite the entire media and political establishment trying to destroy him. That's it. Cruz is eloquent but is more of the same.
Cruz is best candidate he's a statesman with a proven record. While Trump is a liberal reality tv star that will make America the laughingstock of the world. It's like some kind of sick Orwellian joke that we're even considering electing a reality tv star. Why not make Kim Kardashian president?
>>61217330 So this is why everyone's been scared as fuck to touch Trump, hes cunning, gives room for the opportunity for his enemies to attack and then eats them whole. They know as a former lobbyist and real estate mogul, he can see right through the establishment candidate's facade. Every scandal that Trump is involved in, is just another herring, forcing the opposition to bite. They know that if they aren't careful, and if they do anything except nibble, Trump will pounce. He will hold down his prey, claw him repeatedly, before digesting them, absorbing their influence.
He's a man who is single handedly eliminating some of the most formidable political forces by flanking them with asymmetrical warfare.
He's an EMPEROR who plays on a tactical plane only he knows, executing every move carefully to realize his end strategy.
He is a GOD over his feeble enemies, and what he wills can only be his will alone, the others are fed by their masters. God Emperor Trump has no limits, and fears no puppeteers or cabal. If you aren't with Trump, you are going to be crushed underneath his foot, and forgotten.
May you cast your vote wisely, and he will be greatful. But know that if you try to stop him, there is no brakes on the divine train.
>>61219022 Donald Trump has been an executive and a leader making meaningful decisions and overseeing the responsibilities of a multi-billion dollar going concern with extremely large profit margins according to those that have looked into it. Trump is a captain of industry.
Cruz is a weasely little lawyer that is good at grandstanding, but who has no meaningful accomplishments whatsoever apart from shady lawyer work.
But your post is just everything you need to know about how phony and ersatz Cruz supporters are.
>The private sector is so much better than government, guys. They're efficient and more capable than government bureaucrats! >Now vote for this lifelong government bureaucrat and forget the highly respected and sucessful business tycoon with more than 4 decades of experience managing a high profile private sector enterprise
I can't wait till Cruz is gone and we don't have to deal with you clowns anymore. What an insufferable bunch.
>>61219482 Yes, actually, it is. McCain was born on a military base. It was U.S. territory under the Canal treaty.
And who cares about Romney's dad. Running for President isn't the same as being eligible to hold the office. Anybody can run. The Queen of England could run. But she wouldn't be eligible to assume the office if she won.
You're full of shit. Cruz attacked New York to get to The Donald. It was a very personal attack against a wide swathe of American citizens. What Trump did in response was positively brilliant and completely consistent with his character. Cruz wanted to play flyover country identity politics, and Trump bested him with American identity politics. Anyone who would so brazenly attack a group that obviously includes the NYPD and FDNY is either a lying snake or hates America.
Pic related, this was what your candidate was doing while Trump incinerated his whole campaign on national TV.
You aren't even considering how absolutely based his policies are. You approach politics like a woman, based on your feelings. My sister literally said she voted for Bush over Kerry because "Kerry was just so frickin ugly!" Didn't even consider the differences in their platforms, just voted based on looks/attitude like she's picking someone to date. Guess who she voted for the next election? Rhymes with Osama. "He's hip and cool not like that old man McCain!" She didn't actually say that but... these people are allowed to vote... and you're among them OP.
>>61219682 >Senator Ted Cruz, in a committee hearing on a bill to ban assault weapons, talks about his familiarity with the DC v Heller Supreme Court case. He argues that a ban on assault weapons would be unconstitutional under the Heller decision. Interestingly, during the Heller case he argued exactly the opposite. >Interestingly, during the Heller case he argued exactly the opposite.
>>61219720 >You aren't even considering how absolutely based his policies are.
We know his policies. We just don't believe him. He spent his career as an establishment neocon and he has ties to really shady organizations and people. The simple truth is, we don't believe what he says. He is a phony.
George Romney was not eligible, but ran anyways, just like Cruz is.
The concept of "natural born" was literally crafted to keep from happening here what did in Europe; some noble-blooded kid is raised on foreign soil but ascends to the throne of a monarchist or constitutionally monarchist state by blood despite being raised or born on foreign soil and living there for a time absorbing foreign ideas.
Cruz is, under the understanding of the 1700s, a citizen, but NOT a natural born citizen, especially having retained his dual citizenship for most of his life.
By "Cruz is the next Santorum" I of course mean that the things he says and the issues he has covered limit his support largely to evangelical strongholds full of zionist neocons, with little to no support elsewhere. This is why Trump WILL be nominated.
Do me a big favor on explaining it at depth and just look at the RCP polls over time and the state results in the 2012 primaries, then compare them to the polls for this cycle.
Because it's not fucking true. This is some new shit that has been introduced into our national discourse in the past 8 years. It was never believed to be true before that. The evidence is overwhelming in Supreme Court cases and early colonial common law. It's too mountainous to even exhaust here.
Women. Could. Not. Confer. Citizenship. In. 1790. That's a fact. It may be a sexist fact, it may be misogynistic, it may be unfair, it may be mean, etc., etc., etc., but it's a fact.
>>61220148 >Blackstone's commentary on citizenship
and in his commentary he says parliament has the power to allow naturalization to subject born abroad.
>so that a particular act of parliament became necessary after the restoration, for the naturalization of children of his majesty's English subjects, born in foreign countries during the late troubles. And this maxim of the law proceeded upon a general principle, that every man owes natural allegiance where he is born, and cannot owe two such allegiances, or serve two masters, at once. Yet the children of the king's embassadors born abroad were always held to be natural subjects: for as the father, though in a foreign country, owes not even a local allegiance to the prince to whom he is sent;
>>61219615 >You're full of shit. Cruz attacked New York to get to The Donald
Cruz quoted the Donald to get at the Donald, and in retaliation, mind you, to the Donald's attacks.
The Donald ran and hid behind NYC and 9/11 as his defense. THE DONALD brought New York City into it.
>Trump incinerated his whole campaign on national TV >the Donald said thing thing must have happened thing is true And Cruz is still bringing it on the same point. The Donald's defense hasn't dissuaded at all. Because the Donald himself bragged how his values were New York values and not Iowan values. And the message is this: if the Donald is going to keep bringing the shit, he's going to keep getting it back. And mostly on the issues, where it belongs.
>>61220569 Yes, naturalization. That's what Ted Cruz is. A naturalized citizen.
Have you stopped to consider the very words you're using? Natural born and naturalized are not the same thing. In fact, they're two different things entirely. It's right there in the words. Natural born citizen implies that nature can confer citizenship, without man's intervention. This is part of our system at common law, according to the Supreme Court in a case called Minor v. Happersett.
Naturalization is man's intervention to do what nature did not - to naturalize. That's what Ted Cruz is. He is a citizen because of a law passed by Congress. But Congress only has power over citizenship via their Article I naturalization power. They can no more re-define the constitutional term "natural born citizen" than they can re-define the constitutional term "freedom of speech".
I'm not making this stuff up. Go read these two cases and tell me what you see:
Or listen to Justice Scalia's pronouncement in one case that involved a citizenship claim:
>"Petitioner, having been born outside the territory of the United States, is an alien as far as the Constitution is concerned, and “can only become a citizen by being naturalized, either by treaty, as in the case of the annexation of foreign territory; or by authority of Congress. Id., at 702—703; see also Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815, 827 (1971). Here it is the “authority of Congress” that is appealed to–its power under Art. I, §8, cl. 4, to “establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.” If there is no congressional enactment granting petitioner citizenship, she remains an alien.” Miller v. Allbright 523 U.S. 420 (1998)(Scalia, J., concurring)
Well he's not running in the 1700s he's running now and by today's standards he is a nbc. By your definition American parents who have their baby while on vacation abroad aren't the parents of a nbc and that's crazy. What's even crazier is that you've turned a debate over who's the best candidate into this.
>>61219746 >Dude Yeah, that's what I get for only a 5 second search.
The point I was getting at, of course, that all that "shady lawyer work" for which Cruz is known (by some) that had no "meaningful accomplishments" (by some) was to work at overturning Heller, a huge win on behalf of gun owners everywhere.
The kind of stuff that gets the attention of groups and opinion makers that should factor when measuring the worth of your potential Republican nominee.
A corporate tycoon who will wring the neck of anyone preventing needed reforms, who built an empire and makes a living making other businessmen sweat bullets?
Or a single-term neoconservative senator who is more worried about supporting the chosen people and wants to keep sending a good fifty billion dollars a year to other nations, who will persist in being more concerned about aborted black babies than starving unemployed workers when the crash hits?
Or you could support an avowed socialist who will make sure you will have bread lines. Sure, you'll be eating mold with it but you won't starve. (Heated showers not guaranteed in utopian Bernieland.)
I'd mention Hillary but she's just Cruz minus the aborted black babies part anyways.
>>61220906 Yes, naturalization. But naturalization is not natural born citizenship. Do you think Arnold Schwarzeneggar is eligible? No? Then why Cruz? Because Cruz was naturalized earlier in life than Arnold? How silly.
A natural born citizen is one born on US soil, or eligible for and attains naturalization at the time of birth.
Ted Cruz was a dual citizen for most of his life; his allegiance was to two states; it is impossible that the founders intended for such a person to be eligible for a position that entails commanding the military.
>>61221042 It doesn't matter if being born on the soil alone at the time conferred it. It only matters that one group of people, according to the court in Happersett, was indisputably always considered natural born: Those born in country to two citizen parents. Nobody ever disputed the natural born nature of that group.
If what you said was true, that what they really meant was 'born citizen' instead of "natural born citizen" then why not say the former? They didn't do that. In fact, they went out of there way to NOT do that.
You're just ignoring evidence on top of evidence to achieve a result that you like. This is not constitutionalism.
>>61221381 The 14th Amendment does not make anchor babies citizens, either. Even Ted Cruz now agrees with that. He flip flopped on it last year after Trump outflanked him on the right on that issue. But that's neither here nor there.
We're not making the claim that being born on the soil alone is enough to confer citizenship. Yes, parentage is needed in conjunction with being born on the soil.
But being born NOT on the soil destroys any claim to NBC. At least if you're a conservative and an originalist. If you're a liberal living constitutionalist that believes the Constitution evolves, that's another debate.
>>61221468 Jesus. Do I really have to teach you about the Second Amendment now too? The miltiia clause in the 2A is a justification of the operative clause that follows. It does not place a condition on the operative clause. You're talking apples and bowling balls.
Because otherwise any random American could have a kid overseas, who is then raised for fifty years there, then comes back and runs for the presidency.
You are inaccurate in your surmisings. Cruz is provably not a natural born citizen, IS ineligible, and the same is alleged in an active lawsuit- which won't mean anything unless he's nominated, after which the DNC will spend a fortune to derail him.
So vote Cruz for president Hillary I guess, not that they're that different.
>The Naturalization Act of 1790 stated that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens
According to the law Cruz is a nbc. If you have some kind of problem with the law that's fine but as it stands right now that is and you have to accept that.
>>61221723 Yes it is. Wong Kim's parents were here legally. Their parentage and Wong Kim himself was therefore "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S. He was a therefore a citizen. That's really all the court held in that case.
The anchor baby question is different, because the parents are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S., by way of being here illegally. Wong Kim's parents were legal immigrants.
id like to see the court battle, but like I said the founders also wouldn't have given citizenship to foreigners born here so in their time they would have been ineligible to run for anything, yet today they can be president.
Hence the laws change and the intention of the founding fathers is pointless because we have other laws affecting it.
>>61212783 It blows my mind that Americans are so dumb that they think this guy as anti-establishment.
>Ivy educated snob >married to a banker >undeclared bank loans >has backtracked and flopped on key issues (pro tip he was not always for closed immigration)
This guy's big claim to fame is that he tried to shut down the government. Every single politician, INCLUDING Mr Rafael Cruz, knew that it would not work. But it was the perfect opportunity for him to score some fake points.
Jeb or Kasich is better than this cuck. At least they don't hide their values.
>>61221746 Firstly, that law was repealed a few years after it was enacted, and replaced with an almost verbatim law that removed the term "natural born". The reason for this is not certain, but it's pretty damning that they basically took out the term "natural born" and left everything else the same. Clearly they wanted to stop people lik you.
Secondly, that law pinned the conference of citizenship paternally, which matched perfectly with the common law at the time. Only men could confer citizenship under that law. In fact, the law was little more than a statutory reaffirmation of the common law.
None of this helps Cruz, who was not born under that statute, and whose claim to citizenship is through his mother, which would have been utterly unrecognizable to the founders.
>>61222380 You could say that about every term in the Constitution except "treason". Do you know that treason is the only term in the Constitution that is defined by the Constitution?
So under your theory of constitutionalism, Congress can pass a law that re-defines the term "arms" in the Second Amendment to mean "non-assault weapons." They could re-define the term "speech" in the First Amendment to mean "non-hate speech."
Hell, they could redefine the term "4 years" to "4 months" and reduce the presidency to two 4 month terms. If what you say is true, why not?
Donald is way more Ike than he is Reagan. The ruin of this country started with neo-liberal Jimmy Carter and has continue with Neo-Conservative Ronald Reagan, Neo-Conservative, G W H Bush, Neo-Liberal Bill Clinton, Neo-Conservative George W Bush, and Neo-Progressive Barrack Obama.
Donald is an old Blue Dog, like Teddy Roosevelt. He is close to Ike, but most like Teddy in terms of policy. Everyone else is George Bush and Obama 2.0.
9/11 IS a part of both New Yorker and American identity politics. If you think identity politics are inherently bad, you're probably a rootless cuck; given your preferred candidate supports Chamber of Commerce policies, that makes sense. If you don't think Ted Cruz knows he fucked up and is now in full-on damage control, look at his body language at the end of that exchange in the debate. It's what a weasel does when his bullshit finally hits the fan.
>>61222939 >If you think identity politics are inherently bad, you're probably a rootless cuck
This!! Don't more people see that this whole rebellion against the establishment, when you strip everything else away, is an identity push?? It's about Americans attempting to restore their natural right to police their own identity as a people. Our identity as a nation is important to us, and actually, it's more important to us than most nations, because our identity is less about ethnicity than most countries, because most countries are ethnic historical developments. We have to be more vigilant than most in policing our identity, because it's so susceptible to infiltration.
That's why Cruz's eligibility matters. That's why Cruz's attempt to divide us and split out identity even further than it has been is a problem.
Cruz doesn't get this because he doesn't recognize a right of the American people to define themselves. He rejects it. It's a rejection of Jacksonian principles.
>>61215445 He didn't follow Trump's advice because he knows he'd lose. He thought that if he could beat Trump in the debate over it (which he did) and pretend everything's fine it'd work for him in the end
Cruz did indeed win the exchange, but it was a Pyrrhic victory. All he did was focus attention on it further, which is exactly what he was trying to avoid. It's not a fight he can win--the best thing that will happen is people feel like they are legally allowed to vote for him, the worst thing would be the opposite.
>>61215999 You don't have to be in office to get into politics. Trump was the guy that the politicians sucked his cock for his money. His views haven't really changed much at all, he's a Reaganite. http://youtu.be/SEPs17_AkTI http://youtu.be/jbzTyhIv2B8
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