Trump has lived in NYC his whole life, he has a birthright to 9/11. The reason it's a legitimate response is because Cruz is being a shitty little weasel by saying "HURR NYC IS DOMINATED BY LIB VOTERS" and so all Trump had to do is "oh you mean the city that recovered from the worst terrorist attack in the history of the world, those values that allowed us to stick together and heal ourselves?" and Cruz suddenly looks like a shitstain.
>>61187116 this is exactly why Trump is the best he is not afraid to speak and use every trump card he has for eight years we've had a pussy foot coward as a president; its time for REAL hope and change
>>61187196 Portland Boston Philadelphia Miami Montreal Seattle Tel Aviv
I've visited or lived in all those cities, including New York city, and I would rather live in Portland (the hippy capital of the world) or Tel Aviv (the jew capital or the world) a million times over before I lived in NYC
>>61187763 No. This goes directly against why we like Trump.
With politicians like Clinton, they'd play whatever dirty tactics necessary in order to get women to vote for her. She would never ever say something offensive to women, and she would call other politicians women haters in order to make the women like her more. This is the kind of politics I fucking hate.
Trump on the other hand, was the "tell it like it is" guy, who wasn't afraid of offending groups. But he's doing the exact same thing here. Everyone saw his 9/11 deflection during the debate, and it was quite good, but to continually bring it up like this is as bad as Clinton playing the gender card.
>>61187897 If Cruz made that statement to Hillary, in the general, he would lose the election. His entire point hinged on "gay marriage" and "abortion" which are just as bad for the GOP as gun bans are for the DNC.
>>61188040 >No. This goes directly against why we like Trump.
Don't speak for me, faggot.
>>Trump on the other hand, was the "tell it like it is" guy, who wasn't afraid of offending groups. But he's doing the exact same thing here. Everyone saw his 9/11 deflection during the debate, and it was quite good, but to continually bring it up like this is as bad as Clinton playing the gender card.
Politics is a game, Trump knows this. You think Ted Cruz gives a fuck about New York? No, of course he doesn't. He just shat on New York so he could shit on Trump.
Trump responded with 9/11 to shut the little faggot up. And it worked. Cruz fucking clapped for Trump, the cuck
>>61187725 >they would have to give back stolen land to reach an agreement with Palestine. That's bullshit. He said he wouldn't support making Jerusalem Israel's undisputed capital. I know you see everything he says through rose tinted glasses, but this is literally the only negative thing he's said about Israel.
>sabotage the board This isn't your fucking Trump echo-chamber. Trump shills may be more common but many people, even on here, don't like him. I like most of what he says, but he's far from perfect like you all try to make him out to be. Get a grip.
>>61185997 Trump sent hundreds of his people out to help on 9/11. This is the city Trump helped rebuild from the dystopian wasteland of the 70s. Telling Trump that "New York is bad" is as if one would be insulting one of his children, home, or family member. People like Trump and Giuliani are THE New Yorkers.
>>61188278 You guys need to get over Cruz as VP. There are much better choices. General Mattis would be a superstar as VP. Ted Cruz will never be a likable guy. He's a creepy looking supervillain with no meaningful accomplishments except run-of-the-mill sleazy lawyer stuff.
>>61188240 No, he said Israel would "have to make concessions" to reach a peace deal with Palestine. The crowd got upset when he said this.
Let me break down what this means.
You can only make a CONCESSION on something you control. You are giving something up. What would Israel be giving up that Palestine has been asking for? In trump's mind, and the mind of the world, basic freedoms would be non-negotiable. Israel has maintained that they will not give back the land they have encroached upon in the last few decades. They only concession Israel can make is to give back said land, something they do not want to do and consider the very suggestion or implication to be anti-semitic.
Thanks for playing though, you fucking shill piece of trash.
>>61188601 So anyone that disagrees with your candidate is a shill now? Kek, fucking hilarious how far up his ass most of this board is. You do realize both the Democrats and the Republicans would never dream of forcing Israel to return land, right? Even if, and this is a big if, Trump actually goes through with his threats, there is no way he can do anything about it since he isn't actually hostile to Israel.
>>61189181 You have no understanding of Israel's history or what has happened in Palestine the last few decades. Start there, mister low information. You are a shill because you make ridiculous claims based on your reading of the stars or what you read in a fortune cookie rather than things that have actually occurred or are currently happening.
>>61189640 This isn't the death card you think it is. We all know Trump was a Democrat for a while. We don't care. You won't make us care.
At the end of the day, look at Trump's message. Look at what he says in virtually every stump speech. "Everywhere I go" he says whether it's Florida, or New Hampshire, or Texas, or Iowa, "it's a lovefest" and "we're all the same, we all want the same things." "We love each other" - "I love all of you."
Now compare that with the Canadian's message.
"New York values *evil cackle*" "We all know what that means, right guise??"
He's a divider. He's a fake. And most of all, he is not an American.
>>61186732 Excuse me but claiming that such this as a "race card" exists is extremely offensive towards people of different orientations because you're implying that they would use their ethic background as an excuse to win an argument, so can you like, not?
If Cruz somehow scams his way into office, what's the first thing he'll do?
Send the social security fund to Israel? Sell federal land at firesale prices to Goldman Sachs?
He's no conservative. He's a shill for the elites that thinks he can dupe the American people into thinking he's some maverick hardline tea partier.
He overplayed his hand and went too far with this. He thinks places like Iowa and South Carolina are a bunch of idiots that blindly hate New York and blindly support whoever panders to them the most. I think he's wrong. Most Americans don't hate other parts of the country like Ted does (makes sense since he's not really an American though).
>>61189986 Nigger if anything this was the only time where 9/11 Trump card is allowed. He should have attack NY politics, not NY values. He fucked up hard and got uppity, Trump has to put the fucker down.
Also you sound like an anti-Trump shill anyway so why do you care.
>>61186383 >>61186383 NYC is a liberal shit hole that will never vote for a republican so Ted is rallying his base by making fun of them. Trump meanwhile pisses on his base by saying NY values are good and then crying about 9/11 like crispy creme always does. Trump can take his liberal values back to Jew York and let a real conservative get the nomination.
>>61190604 No, just Canadian neocons like Ted Cruz who come to our country and try to divide us so that he can seize power and do the bidding of Goldman Sachs, Citibank, Club for Growth, and other of his donors that control him completely.
>>61189480 Whatever you say, m8. If it makes you feel better to defend your God in such a fashion then go ahead and believe you won. Neither you or I know what Trump intends. You he could be lying he could be genuine, we don't know for sure. You think you know for sure is just the ultimate form of devotion, I commend your faith.
>>61190416 >loving the state so much that you allow it to arbitrarily decide random events in your life >>61190225 youre wrong though, word games are still word games, and fuck that. i dont like to see leaders do that shit to competition bc it means they are versed enough to do that shit to us.
I would rather him say "yeah i changed my ideas, these ideas are better bc _ and _" not some emotional bating
>>61190490 I was a staunch democrat leaning independent who voted for obama both elections.
in the past year, I have become far more conservative as ive become disillusioned and seen the shit happening around me
other countries used to call the US the country of one party. because realistically there is no difference between dems and repubs. Donald agreeing with democrat ideas is ok, because back in the 90's it was ok to be a conservative Democrat or liberal republican
>>61186504 >Implying Cruz was wrong Florida fag here and I hate New Yorkers with a passion. Every time they come down here they always have to make a big deal that they're from New York, they have terrible snobby attitudes, and they are so quick to get offended when someone calls them out for how shitty Jew York actually is. A big joke down here is this: "How do you know someone is from New York?" "Don't worry they'll let you know"
I also find it equally hilarious that people on /pol/ seem to be okay with New York now that this event happened when literally weeks ago most of /pol/ would agree that New York is just awful.
>>61190504 They will care about this a lot more than they will about Trump's PC whining.
New York is a nanny-state disaster city that put a fucking mosque on Ground Zero and then they want to talk about 9/11? They capitulated after 9/11.
Most people in this country think NY is a shit hole and New Yorkers are self-righteous assholes and hate this "New York best evah" bullshit they spew whenever someone challenges their dogshit city.
Cruz is being hit in the media because most of the media is part of the liberal elite culture of New York. New York ties Washington DC for city of the shithole liberals. Wait, can I not criticize DC because they got hit on 9/11 too?
>>61186477 That's the idea. Beat Cruz, show everyone that he's a hypocrite who's controlled by the banks and then absorb his voter base because who the fuck else are they going to go to? Yeb? Carson? Christie?
>>61187116 Do you want to win little China? Or are you too much of a bitch to use everything in your power? It doesn't matter what Trump does to get in office, all that matters is what he does once he's there.
>>61190837 Find someone other than Norman Finkelstein who says Israel has to make concessions to reach a peace deal with Palestine. If even one of the people that you locate are not also called anti-semitic, then I will eat my hat.
How can Trump be controlled by Israel and be some evil anti-semite? You've really got to get your delusions under control.
Where Cruz is factually controlled by AIPAC, you just assume that Trump must also be.
>>61189847 This. People change, especially when they see what's going on. Hell, I'd totally be a liberal if it wasn't fucking retarded and suicidal. I'd be a communist if it was the best ideology for the time. I'd be a fascist too.
>>61190243 Funny thing is that its mostly nyc area that is liberal. Once you start going up it becomes more conservative, but since nyc is packed as hell and the population of the rest of the state isnt high nyc values and opinions are more well known. There have been a ton of republicans from ny.
>>61187196 I honestly believe Chicago is more fun minus the shitty south suburbs. Downtown crime is extremely low and its really white with a lot less Jews. New York was boring and the people were, in general, more awful.
New York is the sleeping giant that you absolutely should not poke with a stick. New York makes or breaks presidential campaigns, not just Democrats but Republicans too.
We're a very proud state and if you wake up the bear it's going to tear your fucking throat out. New York has so much power concentrated here it's unbelievable, people are sometimes unaware of that fact. New York is the power capital of the USA, and the people here do have the ear of that power.
>>61190544 i just want to have a conversation, 100+ posts of "yay trump; THIS/+1" is for fags.
imo, which "the average" voter most likely doesnt have is that trump makes moves that out the media and make everyone look like a little bitch for playing word games/politic-ing but then he still go for the emotional bate rebuttle more and more lately, which i dont like, I would rather trump just say "yeah ive been reevaluation things and recent events and my family and have come to different conclusions then i had back then, things that I think are better for the country..."
something like that without the sentimental appeal >>61190693 it might even be the final season ;^) >>61190969 nice discussion you got there, can we not have a back and forth about startegic speeches/policy positions without fanboying? you sound like you belong of /g/
>>61191172 cruz has got to go after the #1 eventually,what he pulled was bretty tactical, and trumps emotional 911 commit made him seem weak to me,but perhaps more palatable to normies >>61190966 >other countries used to call the US the country of one party. because realistically there is no difference between dems and repubs. Donald agreeing with democrat ideas is ok, because back in the 90's it was ok to be a conservative Democrat or liberal republican thats very relevent, good point. in todays political party environment it seems like there arent even many nuances anymore, everyone grouped up and become more bland at the same time.
trump should have said something about being agreeable and fighitng for core conservatism + said everyone hates cruz bc he " cant make things happen despite how passionate and hard you fight,etc etc" but instead he said "muh 911"
>>61191509 Not too mention the ghettos are sometimes only a few blocks from the gated communities. Fucking people in the streets at red lights asking for money or trying to sell you produce they stole from a farm.
>>61191054 Another Floridafag here, can confirm with absolute prejudice
New Yorkers are the worst, we get the losers that for whatever reason left and they bitch and moan about everything not being New York, they're the worst workers, the worst attitude, and the New Yoricans are the shit kings of the shit pile. I have a New Jersey coworker, and he's alright, doesn't even bring up anything about the state, but you'll know who's from NYC, they'll bring it up themselves.
I've met many people from all over, Florida has many ports, it's an international hub, but I can definitely say New Yorkers are the worst of the worst, worse than even Brazilian tourists, you can at least calm them down by speaking some beginner Portuguese and they just like having a local keep them busy, you just can't make any New Yorker happy.
Love how Cruz is staring down Trump and expecting him drop the turtles, but then the EXACT SECOND that Trump says 9/11 Cruz's gaze shifts away and his expression starts to sink. He knew he fucked up bad.
You do realize that the left has moved drastically to the left even in the past year or so? Being a democrat 10 years ago was totally different than being a democrat today. Especially with them now swimming in the deep end that is identity politics.
>>61193187 that was by no means his only defense and although it worked on the audience it is still a pos rebuttal that needs to be stopped, 911 should not be a magic word any more >>61193806 >I would had you provided sources with said comment. You cruzshills are what's ruining this board. sources for what? are you using two different devices? i replied to >>61193425 about citations about alchol ban laws and how they were passed
i was speaking to you about trumps startegy and how imo him pulling the 911 rebuttal made him look weak since he is #1 and cannot punch up to anybody
then you took one sentence out of my whole comment and acted as if I was not having a legit convo.
Fuck off dude. Cruz shills have been putting this video up everywhere. Trump has most reasonable view on abortion. Deal with it you dumb fuck. Most aborted kids are poorfag or nigger descent, so nothing of value is lost.
>>61190691 You're a retard. You can use their metro areas to have them end up being about half the size of NYC in population.
Trust me I've lived in NYC most of my life and while there are good things about it, it's overall a shithole because half of the people live off of the government and are a piece of shit or mentally ill.
>>61194276 >local community decides its own laws >worse youre wrong though >>61194452 it still makes me angry bc trump was supposed to be "better then that" at least thats the image he presented when he attacks the media. maybe i was naiive to think someone running for government office could actually go past that for once, either way trump and cruz are the best options.
will they follow through? who fucking knows, i doubt it tbqhwyf
>>61192965 Up here in the northeast we work with an efficiency and intelligence that would make the average Floridian's head spin. It's not your fault, you guys live in a tropical environment, you're easy going, you take it slow, move with the breeze and do things half assed - but that pace is excruciating to someone who is used to a fast pace. Not to mention Florida owes their relevance to sunbirds, developers and investors from the NE. You'd be Haiti tier without us.
>>61187196 Tokyo is a million types better than Jew York. >Astoundingly clean >No niggers shooting you and stealing your wallet >Tons of historic sites and cultural venues >Gorgeous women with much better fashion sense
Oh, fuck off. You don't want discussion, you're not "from" here. Glad you namedropped /g/ to show you're totally a real 4channer like the rest of us XDD
You've said nothing of substance; it seems as though the goal of your "discussion" is to try and say that trump isn't a "real" X or a "real" Y, in order to make yourself feel like you're somehow better than other posters, even though your reasoning doesn't go beyond "muh feelz." You come across as a scatterbrained retard shitting out a poorly formatted word-salad that's worth no-one's time.
I don't think that you're a shill. I do think that you're an idiot trying to fit in and you're using nebulous arguments to act disagreeable and feel smart. Make no mistake - most others aren't making the points that you're making. However, it's only because those points are fucking stupid and obviously do not hold up to even passing scrutiny.
There's a very good reason why other posters are dismissing you and not taking you seriously: You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. It doesn't even matter what you say, because I know that deep down inside you know it yourself, and you're desperate to prove yourself wrong.
>>61195079 >will they follow through? who fucking knows, i doubt it tbqhwyf one is an establishment shill who will continue the path of Obama, and Bush before him the other is a billionaire with nothing left to do with his life other than use his experiences and expertise to run the government in a superior way.
>maybe i was naiive to think someone running for government office could actually go past that for once at the end of the day its politics, you're in it to win it. just note how sensitive/responsive he is to threats, he always seems to be able to dispatch political opponents quickly and humanely which is an appealing trait in a leader.
>>61195395 You can not say anything good. When I went to New York I was shock. Disgusting, dirty subways that are late. Everyone is rude. Niggers everywhere. Plastic women with tattoos and piercings. Horrible.
>>61195335 freedom=/= do whatever you want when you want
the local communities freely and willingly put that restriction upon their own selves -which is the way to do it, not some state leaders that are really only trying to do that so they can gain more say over your life >>61195465 i am not trying to push a no true Scotsmen scenario, i just think the 911 rebuttal is lame and needs to end.
there have been zero engagements made bc there hasn't even been a back and forth bc this whole comment string has been people trying have the final witty comeback.
>>61195079 >local community setting up its own laws Is this nigga really defensing gun control? No wonder you support Donald "Ban Assault Weapons" Trump. Fucking faggot listen up, the bullshit new york city gun grabbing laws dont just affect the community in NYC but in the whole fucking state who is tired of the liberal bullshit from NYC. Trump is bringing those NYC values to the GOP as well. What do you expect from a former Democrat who voted for Obama anf has funded Hillary >The more you earn the more you get taxed >Anti "assault" weapons >Pro NSA These are the New York values Cruz was saying the NBC tv host who voted for Obama and was a Democrat from NYC is brining to the GOP
>>61195689 >the other is a billionaire with nothing left to do with his life other than use his experiences and expertise to run the government in a superior way. come on man, thats the imagistics, fuck yeah I like what trump is promoting, its the only major voice that is against globalism, but im not about to "swear allegiance" like that, most likely voting trump, if rubio wins fuck that im not voting bc it wouldnt matter, if cruz wins ill pobably vote for him,maybe but not for sure >at the end of the day its politics, you're in it to win it. just note how sensitive/responsive he is to threats, he always seems to be able to dispatch political opponents quickly and humanely which is an appealing trait in a leader. good points, I was just thinking it would be cool to have a canidate "stay" in the position of breaking the fourth wall, since trump consistantly btfo's the media
>>61195510 >remarks that new yorkers are degenerates without values or republicans >gets blown out with the greatest examples of american values and conservative thought of all time >anti-trump shills in full damage control mode
>>61186961 Sure you can. You criticize specific policies. Specific people. Say the place loves Hillary and hates the rest of America. Say they'd rather millitarize the their police and turn honest gunowners into felons than risk offending the violent criminals in the democratic voting base. Tie it into your own specific policy proposals.
But you go out with a weak "new york values" attack, and Trump counters with defining very concretely what he thinks NY values are.
>NO. THIS is new york values. It's the GREAT AMERICAN VALUES that we will greatly make america great again with.
>>61196419 >>gets called out for holding NYV libtard values contemporary appeal, its like a foreign language to republicans. a mild stance on abortion is going to get a wall built between us and mexico ya dumb faggot, and its gonna mean less unwanted baboons raping your women >>lol anyways these conservatives are from New York lol >cruz caught making babby-tier trumpisms by the inventor of trumpisms >completely annihilated beyond recognition
>>61194587 the United States sponsored the murder of 300,000 Guatemalans. the United States literally paid a terrorist organization to murder 300,000 people. and this is just one proxy war, the United States does this all the fucking time. the people of the United States go along with it because of the narrative that we have to fight communism/terrorism/drugs/etc.
>>61191309 [germonkey intercepting here] I'd argue that its not you or the state to decide wether people should prefer longevity over certain degrees of hedonism. You could go on banning things until everyone becomes an ascet
>>61196829 LA is beautiful as well. Most of SoCal is, that does not mean it is not liberal shithole. Only thing Trump and his supporters are doing by using this muh beautiful new york is paiting as an NYC Yankee elite. Great way to lose the South lmao. Meanwhile Cruz has gone full I love Jesus mode. Tell me this man is not a tactician. He will win a large portion of the South for sure
>>61197137 >was no america? The country is not what makes me an American >are equally aspiring How? One is men dying to keep their guns 9/11 was just some sand niggers blowing up buildings then making speeches
>>61196913 The fact that he holds liberal values makes it unlikely he will do any of these. Nigga had illegals in the Trump tower and supprted the Dream act. The fact that he is saying he is going to make Mexico build the wall shows you he has no plans on doing it himself kek
>>61193404 He didn't bring up terrorists. He was born in New York. It was completely apolitical. It was delivered perfectly. Trump is smart. That statement may very well be the only reason he gets the nomination.
>>61197210 >Cruz insults an entire segment of the American population >Trump counters it with the best answer he could possibly given, making Cruz look like a Jackass >somehow that make Trump lose support in the south where he's extremely popular LMAO
>>61198668 I said he will lose support in the south because >Painting himself now as an NYC Yankee elite >He cant hide his NYC liberal views. And because Cruz is playing the >I love Jesus >Muh small government >Pandering to the extremely conservative GOP base
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