17 years ago Trump said some really liberal things, now Ted Cruz is trying to use this against Trump:
Will this STUMP THE TRUMP?
>implying he didn't see the light and change his ways
>not understanding the point
he is describing NYC values as more liberal than the rest of the country... which is what cruz said the other night, and then trump starting whining about 911
I understand what Cruz is trying to do here, it's just that nobody cares. And if the media wants to run with it, it's just going to get Trump more moderate votes.
I have never cared about gay marriage one way or the other and I'm pro-choice for the simple fact that crime has gone way down since the Roe vs Wade generation started having kids. I had no idea Trump was pro choice until now. This makes me like him even more. Abortion is a dead issue in politics at this point anyway.
> gay marriage and abortion are part of NY values
> therefore all NY values are shit.
Besides, Trump has said last year already and I think even years earlier that he had changed his views.
This will never work.
Cruz planning on turning this election into a choice on banning abortion and fighting the courts on gay marriage will 100% hand this election over to the democrats
Republicans are screwed now
He hasn't defined anything. He's just made a fool of himself and shown himself to be strategically retarded. Who the fuck would want a strategic idiot in the White House?
Cruz's numbers in Iowa will continue to drop and he will be a non-factor in a week.
>Implying most Americans don't agree with pro-choice either as a means for planned pregnancy or population control for negros.
It's their bodies they should be allowed to destroy it as they wish.
>Implying Americans care or have a problem with gays getting married or serving.
In fact I'm happy that government took it's big fucking nose out of the private religious practices of individuals. Marriage as far as the government is concerned is a financial contact. Nothing more.
Trump is the only down to earth person in this race. By all accounts he's a very approachable person and lives life on pizza and cheeseburgers for Christ's sake. He is the only "normal" guy running, and I'm positive he sees this video as a good thing. Cruz just handed Trump a lot more moderate votes.
I doubt it.
Trump doesn't court or appeal to the religious right, which is the only group that really gives a crap about abortion and "duh queers." Trump is going after middle class blue collar and upper middle class white collar workers. All of which support or practice in some religion, but are not devout nor hardline followers. They're more likely to share the same indifference towards gays and mixed/to positive opinions about abortions.
The major issue with blue collar workers and white collar is payroll taxes and low employee involvement due to business crippling regulations and taxes & illegal immigration.
I'm an atheist, blue collar (KEK FREE UNI, WHO CARES). My parents were Hungarian immigrants (I'm also happily married to a Hungarian woman). Father is a biomedical engineer/professor at a top university. Mother was a doctor, stayed at home with us kids. Literally everybody in my family is a dirty rotten non believer. We're all voting for Trump.
There's many of us out there who just don't give a shit about his religious opinions. To us, it's about not allowing rampant progressive bullshit to continue.
Pretty much. Any religious hardline voters would've been immediately turned off by Trump just from hearing him speak or looking at his various covers on playboy. He's by every account, an average American.
The average American finds fudgepackers and abortion to be uninteresting and a distraction from real issues.
Cruz is completely incapable of beating the democrats so he should just fuck off already.
Cruz will be SLAUGHTERED in the general for this type of rhetoric. Cruz, at this point, is trying to sabotage the election. He may actually be the fabled "Hillary Plant", since Hillary and Cruz' wife are CFR and represent the major banks. If Cruz gets the nom he will lose and there is absolutely no way around it.
He even said "I am pro-choice but I hate it".
Words can't describe how stupid Cruz is; he just fell into the most epic trap since Reagan unleashed his one liner about youth and inexperience on Mondale.
Trump is already in the general election; he's formed a solid enough base to get him through super tuesday, and the resulting bump from sweeping up most or all of those states will preclude any challengers or the option of a brokered convention; that's why his response regarding New York was so effective; he wants to wage a total war style Reaganite campaign and force Hillary not just to compete in swing states, but in the union lakes region and the northeast.
As some of you are aware, Cruz is just a less popular 2012 era Rick Santorum- an evangelical (lite) who has cornered himself into the rural midwest at the expense of any chance of taking New Hampshire. With a daunting lead, Trump isn't worried about South Carolina, and Cruz began to decline slightly before the debate anyways.
Trump will win NH and SC. He has a favorable chance of getting Iowa too, although it isn't certain. Let me remind you; in 2012, Romney won New Hampshire but lost Iowa and South Carolina because there were two candidates in the race polling above 20% at the time.
This time around only Trump is above 20%- he's at 35% or so and his next challenger peaked at 20% only to begin sliding back down. Nobody else is even breaking 10%.
In the next round of polling look to see Cruz lose a point or two nationally and stall out in South Carolina where he had been slowly ascending. Look for that lost support to split between Trump and Carson; the latter of which is Santorum 3.0, lowering Cruz' support because he's competing in exactly the same states.
After super tuesday Trump will be left with an overwhelming lead and half the field will drop out. He may even win every state in the entire campaign (although I believe his end total will be 40-45 states.)
Yes, your comment gets to the heart of it and shows that you get who the enemy really is. CFR members are all on the same team playing different roles. They've been foisting pretend conservatives on us for years. Ted Cruz comes off as a phony slimeball because that's what he is. He doesn't believe any of the things he says. After seeing the outtakes from that commercial I'm not convinced that his family is real. Probably actors playing their part, like the fake Obama family.
President can't do shit about either abortion or gay rights at this point. It will never become a major issue in this election and bringing it up as something he flip-flops on will have little effect.
First of all, the president can do essentially FUCK ALL about abortion and gay marriage.
Supreme Court decisions are only reversible in the following ways: 1) another supreme court decision on a case of the same matter 2) constitutional amendment.
The probability of either happening in the context of our society and the values of our society is 0%.
So everybody should get it in their heads that both issues are non-issues at this point, they are immutable in the practical sense.
Trump has also had 17 years to change his mind, which he has on abortion. He says he has met somebody who was so special who was a supposed-to-be-aborted rape baby which has made him do a total 180 on the issue.
Yep, this is one of the things about him - being a status quo candidate on these issues that will let him get the lions share of independents and over 20% of Democrats.
This is so naive.
He'll lose the entire religious right, a demographic that is waning, but still large enough to influence an outcome. In 2008, the evangelical conservative base rejected Romney and chose to abstain from the vote or vote third party candidates.
This idea that a single Democrat would vote Trump when offered a substantially more liberal candidate like Sanders or Clinton is preposterous as well. John McCain had a history of being extremely socially liberal for a Republican. Where was that 20% of Democrat voters at?
This too. Trump actually resorted to "you're wrong because of 9/11". It's one of the weakest, most embarrassing examples of a baseless emotional appeal I've seen yet in this race. Those are the sorts of emotional appeals liberals make - and Trump is a liberal, so it really makes total sense.
It's perfectly defensible. Ted Cruz is an evil neocon puppet and we cannot allow our once great nation to fall into the hands of a bad person like that again. Also, he is not eligible to be President of the United States because he is not a natural born citizen.
Trump, a great American and patriot, is using every weapon at his disposal to stop this infiltrator from taking our country away. Every weapon he uses to achieve this goal is legitimate.
If you think it's not "fair" then you're just a pussy. If Cruz thinks it's not "fair" then he too is a pussy and he should get out of politics and go become a lumberjack back in his native Canada.
Now cry about it you bitch.
> conservative democrats
That's a good one.
I don't doubt that maybe 1% of the party may hold some conservative ideals, but the left hates Trump even more than his opposition on the right.
Tbh it's all moot to argue. Democrats are going to win. They'll rig and steal the election, Obama will find a way to grant non-citizen immigrants voting rights before his term ends and seal the victory for Hillary or Bernie.
The entire deck is stacked against whoever the Republicans nominate.
Changed his ways on everything except Eminent Domain
That's the thing. The promise of Trump's "winning coalition" is not substantially different from what the Republicans just tried in the last two elections. Some hawkish nonsense as a cover for an otherwise 'moderate' candidate that's supposed to win the middle and encourage Democrats from breaking with their coalition. Only Trump's veneer is all the more apparent, because he only came by his rhetoric in the last few years. When discussing Romney's Trump said Mitt lost the election by appearing too harsh on immigration.
Underrated bantz. I'm using this on cruz supporters I know.
Trump criticized Mitt's self-deportation policy, which Trump interpreted as harsh for no good reason. Why take the beta self-deport position when you can, as Trump has repeatedly claimed, "humanely" deport them pro-actively, ripping the band-aid off and not allowing the problem sit around and fester inside our country.
Trump's position, as usual, is dead-on. He's right.
Holy shit. Trump is fucking dead. He is slain. Cruz laid the bait and he took it.
>I don't doubt that maybe 1% of the party may hold some conservative ideals
1% was all Jim Webb was able to scrounge up in their primary, so that's about right.
Beyond that, Trump is very reminiscent of Romney is a certain sense, the type of 'wealthy business guy' the Democrats just love to turn on and paint as an ebil uncaring capitalist, made an easier target for his loose lips. They're holding their ammunition at this point. Just wait until they bring forth the folks who lost their jobs in Trump's various bankruptcies.
And then Trump will bring out the many, many more people who retained their jobs because of those bankruptcies. Do you understand what a Chapter 11 restructuring is? The purpose of it is to SAVE a company and allow most employees to remain employed.
Trump SAVES things.
>And then Trump will bring out the many, many more people who retained their jobs because of those bankruptcies
Did people care that Romney employed all sorts of people through his capital investments? That he saved businesses by restructuring them? No, he was made out to be a vulture capitalist who didn't care about the little people. And Romney wasn't the walking epitome of conspicuous displays of wealth.
Obama has turned the military into just another venue to run leftist social experiments.
This won't stand in the long run.
Romney isn't Trump. Your entire problem, and why you have difficulty understanding the Trump phenomenon, is because you hold the progressive belief that "we're all equal" and should be held to the same standards. I reject that notion out of hand. And so do the American people. As they're telling you, everyday, by allowing Trump to get away with things other candidates can't get away with. You say it's not fair, we say we don't care.
Why is Trump afforded this privilege? Because he has earned it, by way of contributing so much to our country, by way of being successful in a business more honorable than politics, by way of being an inspiration to millions well apart from his political role, and, yes, through his celebrity appeal, which no matter how much you don't like it is still nevertheless a prominent feature of American culture.
Trump has his own rulebook. He's earned it. Romney, Cruz, and other political passers-by, do not get to play with that rulebook.
Yes, it's unfair. So what?
>get stumped with evidence where he himself said the same thing Cruz said
he's fucking dead. Fuuuuuuuck. YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE
I think by now, infrastructure & The Wall > guns, gays & god.
Trump and possibly Rubio could beat Shillary. Cruz is a no hoper, an oily cuckservative.
Hola, I'm a used car salesman from Calgary.
>If you think it's not "fair" then you're just a pussy
It's got nothing to do with what's "fair." It's got everything to do with Trump hiding behind victims of 9/11 to shield himself from political criticism, employing the same style of politically correct shame tactics the left employs that he's supposed to have based his campaign opposing.
But that's a fairness argument. You're essentially saying it's a double standard -- that Trump can hold people to standards he may not perfectly conform to himself.
Yes. You're right. And we don't care.
At the end of the day, Trump has proven himself to many of us. He pre-exists his campaign, remember. He pre-exists, and transcends, his political disposition. We've gotten to know Donald Trump over the course of 4 decades. And many people do indeed dislike him, to be sure, because of how long he's been around and the things he's done. But many more accept and embrace him because we know where is heart is. He's not an unknown quantity like Cruz. So yes, Trump can bend the rules from time to time. Trump gets a learning curve. Trump is allowed to defy gravity.
We're simply willing to give him a longer leash. It's hard to accept when you've been beaten down with this notion of egalitarianism, but it's not an inborn American trait.
>Trump and possibly Rubio could beat Shillary. Cruz is a no hoper, an oily cuckservative.
Rubio and Cruz can beat Hillary pretty good. Maybe Christie if circumstances were just right by the time of the election. It's Trump who lags in most polls.
And of those who match up well against well against her, Cruz is the strongest on those issues you say you care about.
He's going to sweep liberals and conservatives.
>pro working man
>pro financial solvency
>pro middle eastern solutions
too. If he did that he'd get all the black and mexican and college aged white male voters, I don't care what you tell me.
If you go back and watch the exchange from the debate you'll see Cruz directly referenced the interview with Russert. Plus the New York values thing had been out there for a couple days. Trump knew exactly what was coming when he tried to turn the issue away. Now in retrospect he looks like a heel to have pulled the 9/11 card, and everyone who's coming to his side on this are Democrats.
Trumps leans both Left and Right, he's the perfect candidate.
Wants to give illegals and criminals and Americas enemy a very hard time, while sticking up for his peoples civil rights without getting all right wing crazy on them.
Think of this, right now Trumps trying to beat all the other right wingers for the party nomination. He keeps going on about vets and illegals, turn offs for left leaning people. This is the most Right Wing we're gonna see Trump this Election, once he secures the Party Nomination I believe we're going to see a shift towards more left leaning policies. Like, instead of talking about the Military and Taking care of Vets, we're gonna see him talking a lot more about Education, Healthcare and Social Security.
Cruz has no narrative. Trump is the narrative. He's been the sole narrative since July of last year.
Ted Cruz's entire identity to most of the nation is his relationship to Trump, as defined by Trump.
The only thing is I hope he doesn't send back the illegals already here, he should make everyone who lives in America and American citizen, and he ought to fix up Mexico so more of them stop trying to come here.
>Trump is the best combination of the left and the right
>hopefully Trump gives us amnesty
Hey man, I'm white. It's just he's already such an appealing man I'd like for him to do us one better. America was founded by its immigrants and its diversity. That's the truth nigga.
Everyone knows the Democrats are just pretending to be out for minorities' and foreigners' best interests the same way they pretend to be out for poor white peoples' interests. And the Republicans are the same way. Trump can change all that through the power of belief and freedom.
>HURDURR HE SAID SOME UN-LIKABLE THINGS A LONG TIME AGO, LOOK AT THIS BAD MAN
Opinions change, dingleberry. I used to think communism was the best solution out there, and that we all just needed to get along, and work as one human race.
What a load of shit.
I was a liberal in 1999. Now at this point, I wouldn't bat a lash if every single liberal were inhumanely tortured and executed. I'm exaggerating, but I truly do despise them now.
Says the increasingly nervous man.
Just going to repeat what I stated earlier. Obama has 1 year left, he's not up for reelection, he's going to throw out the constitution and do whatever he pleases. He's shown through executive action that he has no regard for the balance of powers in government. A spineless republican congress will let him get away with it.
Obama will do everything in his power to change the rules in this final year of his presidency to make sure no republican is ever elected again.
Illegal immigrants will be given voting rights. States that have passed voter ID rules will have those laws ignored when every polling place gets staffed by George Soros foundation volunteers and Department of Justice thugs. Obama will change the rules of absentee voting to ensure most American soldiers don't vote (he already did this in 2008). He'll allow people incarcerated in the prison system to vote via executive action (he's suggested it before).
I'm honestly terrified of the shit he'll pull to secure government for the left.
Trump is a God of charisma. It's amazing how he keeps pushing forward even when one mistake would ruin his image forever. Like for example that spat he had with Bush the other night, if he messed up his retort even a little bit he would have looked like the biggest doofus of all time. But he didn't seem phased at all. I think that he's going to change what it means to be a man in this country.
I don't think you "get" Trump. He's the peace and love candidate.
Yeah. Like two weeks before he jumped into the race, after having his people determine what would give him the most support.
>I just recently met this woman who changed my mind on abortion
>sure, I was a critic of Romney's immigration but all that's changed now
And Trumplets call other candidates flip floppers.
Same here about libtards. I was extremely liberal 5 years ago even, I have seen the error in my ways and my resentment for liberals has grown much further than I ever thought imaginable. Feminism, SJWs, anti-gun, pro refugee, etc. has turned me completely far right. I will vote for Trump with the biggest smug mug.
every single trump supporter is well aware of what donald believed in the 90s, he has brought it up himself in a few of his rallies. He has not ignored or tried to hide it. It is the first thing that you have to accept in order to support him in the first place.
Why would Obama endorse Hillary when she is the reason people view him as shit along with the fact she will be the first female president which will Trump Obama being the first black president
Thanks bro. Now think about Trump, who probably has far greater reasons than you and I to not buy into the liberal bullshit anymore. Then you really realize that what he said 16-17 years ago doesn't mean shit.
Trump was seduced by the dark side and made to kill younglings. Destroying the leftists is his redemption.
>mfw this canadian faggot thinks he can be president
That anon you quoted left his liberalism behind as most everybody does it - when they gain a little life experience and see how transparently foolish the previous construct was.
Trump is 69 and only just recently found all this out?
Obama is the entire reason clinton can even run right now. he appointed the chairman of the DNC and made sure the entire party's leadership was onboard the shillary train.
Fuck off you faggot spic.
Americans are priority one in our own fucking country.
If they [you] want to come here and contribute to our society, that's perfectly fine, but you need to fucking get in line and do it legally like anyone else.
>and he ought to fix up Mexico so more of them stop trying to come here.
Mexico can fuck off and fix itself and he's stopping them from coming here by
A. Building a Wall
B. Doing his fucking job as chief of the executive branch
You know, enforcing laws that already exist. Which is more than you can say about that fucking faggot Obongo just picking and choosing what laws he enforces.
Relax you goddamn peasant. We Galactic Republic now.
I hate Raphael Edward Cruz, the biggest AIPAC kike cocksucker in 10 years.
anyone else wondering why Trump is being asked patently political questions - the kind of questions one asks a candidate for the Presidency - way back in 1999???
he wasn't running for any office, that i'm aware of.
>anyone else wondering why Trump is being asked.... x y or z
Because the kikes have tried everything else, but still have lies to sell.
Cruz has always been a nasal-voiced phony. He only cares about the AIPAC kikebux.
Trump just does not give a fuck.
Cruz picked a fight that 10 of his establishment advisor told him would play well in Iowa and with hardcore evangelicals.
And Trump just does not give a fuck when you piss him off. He is going to Jeb Cruz, and he does not give a fuck if he pisses of some establishment Republicans that want only the candidate they can control.
First they wanted Jeb, for a time Ben Carson, then Christie, then their last hope was Cruz. And they try to Jew, betray, and block Trump every time. Now they are trying to make Cruz their fave.
But Trump does not give a fuck. He loves America. I know it. And thats all that matters to him. Not some corrupt lying, hypocritical Republican establishment.
He will destroy Hillary.
Go Trump. Tell them all to fuck off, and dont take any prisoners.
This will backfire on Republican establishment if they try to against Trump. Because the people do not want them. They want Trump!
The people want Trump. The people love trump. Not Jeb, not Cruz. Not whoever Republican party is pushing for bc they will keep the same shit train of both parties.
Even if I am in Canada, I love you my Emperor. Till the death.
>worry about where he's from
>says the canadian-born, pretend-christian, pretend republican, pretend texan aipac cocksucker senator with a wife on wall street
The recent influx of Cruzdrones on /pol/ are ex-Randlets desperately trying to stump the Trump
They are dirty rotten traitors, make sure to call them such