When the fuck will we do away with this horrid country once and for all? I want nothing to do with Britain, we are an independent nation and we should behave as such.
We need to break ties with the UK entirely. No more "royal" Canadian mounted police, No more "royal" Canadian air force, no more "royal" anything. Take down the pictures of the Queen. Eliminate the role of governor general. No more crowns, no more lingering reminders of our servitude to this irrelevant fucking country.
Does anybody seriously have a problem with this? Our cultural traditions as a nation are already dead, why keep the most shameful aspect of it lingering around like a ghost? We can either choose to move forward as a nation or move backwards and it seems the Canadian people have chosen to move forwards, away from the British commonwealth.
"A FUCKING LEAF" is still better than the Union Jack. Just look at these fags playing pretend, acting as if they are in any way relevant anymore, the empire has become a gutless caricature of itself, it's so shameful.
We do still have ties, they're mostly "ceremonial" so they don't even mean anything. We should honestly just stop pretending like we're still a dominion, we still have the Queen on our money, we have "royal" in a whole bunch of our titles, we still have to deal with the governor general even though his position is completely pointless and his entire role in our government is a formality. We still need "royal assent".
There is no reason to keep pretending the empire is relevant. That is the problem I have. It makes us look like a bunch of cucks.
>the Canadian people have chosen to move forwards,
by electing a prime minister who is literally a laughing stock around the world?
Silly britbong liberal scum. We must keep our distance from a dying civilization. You fags are literally committing suicide. Even dude weed man had the good sense to only let in women and children kebabs.
By systematically destroying our cultural traditions over the course of the past 50 or so years. Trudeau has nothing to do with this, we as a people already acknowledge, and are even taught in school that the monarchy is completely irrelevant to our affairs, yet we still have these pointless and shameful lingering ties to your 19th century cosplay convention that you call the royal family.
The entire point of your existence is being cucks to the monarchy. You literally fought to maintain your cuckoldry when we tried to liberate you from it. Without that national identity you are us. You are cucky Tory Americans.
She's the Queen of Canada. The "Royal" refers to the Canadian monarch.
Canada, in all of its past permutations, has never been anything but a monarchy. It's hardly 'un-Canadian' when it's never been any other way.
>Even dude weed man had the good sense to only let in women and children kebabs
yes lots of women visible in this picture
and the only kid visible is about to steal his curry
I don't want a monarchy anymore, that's what I'm fucking saying, I'm tired of it. I don't care what is "un-Canadian" or not, we have no reason to continue behaving like monarchy is in any way relevant to our country anymore.
but your not an inderpendent country are you dont bitch about the land owner when shes been good enough to given you a country
fucking canadians man they are worse than australia and that is an island of malnorished cuck convicts who got btfo by the wildlife
>By systematically destroying our cultural traditions over the course of the past 50 or so years
yeah and the shit you are replacing it with is soooo much better, of course
What are you going to do about it? We could declare complete independence and you'd do nothing, stop acting like you're the same empire as 100+ years ago, you're nothing anymore.
This would be the first uncucked thing Canada has done. Who fucking supports the Queen there anyway? You guys don't even have English accents.
>We cucked you and changed our flag and became independent you fucking faggots
Kek. No, Britain made you independent because the Empire was "too expensive" kek. WE became independent.
>Yeah and the shit you are replacing it with is sooooo much better
>meanwhile has his own country replaced with sandniggers and mudslimes
Honestly, I'd choose chinks over mudslimes any day.
That's fine. That's your opinion. But the notion that maintaining a tradition going back centuries, that has evidently served the country well*, is "subservient" is ridiculous. You're ignorant of or willfully misrepresenting of the history and present constitutional situation of the country.
*name any other country on earth that's been as consistently peaceful, prosperous, and free as Canada over the past few centuries? It's entirely possible Canada's tradition of government is entirely coincidental with that uniquely blessed history, but why take the chance? "If it ain't broke" has served Canada *VERY* well so far.
you are powerless to make such a choice, anon. it has already been made for you.
Okay fine. Britain made you independent because we convinced them that the Empire was too expensive in the aftermath of WWII, then basically built our own in the aftermath as Britain collapsed.
I'm not proposing we even change our system of governance from a functional standpoint, I'm proposing we (as I've mentioned before) stop pretending that monarchy is in any way relevant to us anymore. We could cut out all of the traditional elements of our system of governance and functionally everything would operate almost exactly the same.
I think the best way to treat your monarchy is to just have them as a fun tourist attraction. No social benefits, no special treatment, not someone who's any better than any other citizen, but they occasionally indulge in a bit of pomp and ceremony for fun.
The Western hemisphere is full of republics. Dozens of them. Name one that hasn't had a civil war, a dictatorship, arbitrary government, or all of them simultaneously? Canada alone, as a monarchy, has avoided all those pitfalls.
Saying you can remove the monarch, and maintain the system, demonstrates you don't understand the system and why it works. That ultimate authority is invested in an institution far above politics, with legitimacy deeply rooted in the mists of history, and not subject to any political persuasion whatsoever, is the key element.
It's far too easy for a President, representing in his person the sovereign authority of the state, to run amok. That a Canadian first minister / prime minister is just another commoner (the office of "Prime Minister" is purely ceremonial; it has no actual legal authority of basis) I find extremely comforting.
We keep the Queen ensconced in the finest furs with the finest China off in her castles, and in return she promises not to abuse the authority vested in her, and to step in only when one of her "advisors" steps out of line in that direction. If you remove the Queen you remove that balance.
The monarchy is literally the only thing that is remaining of our cultural heritage. Without it we are just America lite.
Also the Monarchy is a net financial gain for Canada thanks to the revenue it generates. There is literally no logical argument against our Monarchy in its current form other than"muh feels".
The Queen and her representatives serve to encourage elements of nationhood which are not so easily accomplished by politicians, to provide a focus on things that unite rather than divide Canadians, to celebrate our ideals, to honour our best efforts and to be the emergency back-up should the system ever break down. This separation of partisan political power from the formal executive authority seems to work well and to appeal to most Canadians, who enjoy freedoms which are the envy of many in the world.
Oh you dirty bitch! Make sure to work the shaft too.
Just like you laughed all your other colonies off.
Stop pretending you're still relevant, you're a fucking failure of a nation and a shame to your ancestors who conquered the world.
As always the central weakness of those who propose abolishing Canada’s monarchy is their lack of a credible, demonstrably-superior alternative. To change for the sake of change would involve massive constitutional upheaval and to some extent ape the form of government of the United States, a curious decision for a country where the chief threat to national identity comes from our friendly neighbour south of the border! How would an elected president improve one aspect of Canadian life? Or reduce crowding in one classroom? Or lower our taxes? Would it make us any more patriotic? If we maintained an appointed head of state, be that individual called governor general or anything else, how would Canadians benefit in concrete terms from this de-racination of our entire history and of our current experience as a stable, respected nation with traditions and a distinct political and social way of life most of us like very much?
...the only real flaw in the present Canadian constitutional system, IMO, is the office of the Governor General. It should be cut out entirely, since it doesn't carry the same gravitas and respect due the actual sovereign, and this presents a real danger.
Example: by longstanding convention the Queen should never be presented with any "decision" that could embarrass her / bring her into any disrepute with any faction. Harper totally violated that convention during the "coalition crisis" by presenting the GG with an actual choice. He never would have had the balls / bad taste to do that if he had to go to the Queen herself (as no British PM who had to go directly to the Queen would; he'd fall on his sword first).
The US is the credible, demonstrably-superior alternative.
Also stop pretending like our national identity has already not been wiped out, we have NOTHING left, it's time to stop clinging to the irrelevant scraps of the past and focus on carving for ourselves a new national identity with our own hands. The US has preserved its cultural traditions far better than we have, we had a chance to save our culture but over the past 50 years we chose instead to destroy it.
There is no going back, we need to create a NEW identity for Canada, the old one is dead and fucking buried.
Fuck off m8,I fucking wish we would break ties with you and fucking re-establish ties with south Africa what with your fucking WEED LMAO president, fuck off back to Montreal spewing shit like a french sewer.
>The US is the credible, demonstrably-superior alternative.
Again you provide no evidence to justify this claim over Monarchy. You are just shouting about how you don't like what the vast majority of Canadians acknowledge as good and still value as identity.
One person’s moving forward is of course another’s moving backwards. It is hard to see the monarchy in any way impeding Canada’s modern success—a world leader in everything from peace-keeping to mobile tech, from the Canadarm to environmental research. Nor does being a monarchy seem in any way to hinder societies as diverse as Japan, the Barbados, Spain and the Netherlands. In the end, the statement is one of free expression of opinion. That it is not deeply considered, however, may be ascertained from examining the United Nations’ annual Human Development Index. , Six of the ten highest-ranked countries in the world are constitutional monarchies, four are republics. It certainly shows that monarchy is no barrier to being modern and forward-looking!
Im still waiting for you to provide an example of how our current system of government in any way hinders our goals of being as good as the US.
>Nor does being a monarchy seem in any way to hinder societies as diverse as Japan, Spain and the Netherlands.
Their monarchs are actually seated in their respective countries. Ours is across the ocean in the cuck capital of the world most of the time.
>canada enters the US
>canadian states are given 30 electoral college votes, guaranteeing the democratic party supremacy for decades thanks to their alliance with new england
>king bernie and queen trudeau rejoice
Are you going to put down a legitimate argument addressing my counterarguments to your OP or just keep yelling like a little girl?
You should start a legit movement instead of bitching on /pol/ and see how well it goes.
Canada would be due 50-something electors.
Funfact: The first US Constitution (the Articles of Confederation) had provisions for Canada to join the US. http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2013/03/when-canada-was-invited-to-join-the-united-states/
>tfw Prince Harry will never be king
He'll always be the prince of banter though.
Maybe I will start a legitimate fucking movement and I'll smack the goddamn shit out of you cucks until you stop sucking royal cock.
My entire argument is less about functionality than it is about national identity and pride, and you continue to focus solely on functional issues that are completely irrelevant to what I'm saying. I think Canadians as a whole would benefit from a cultural perspective if we were to let go of the monarchy and begin constructing for ourselves a new national identity no rooted in the almost completely irrelevant and quite shameful notions of servitude to the monarchy. Most of our identity is completely eroded by now anyway, I see no reason to continue to cling to the monarchic traditions, it's only holding us back from moving forward as a nation and creating a new, relevant identity for ourselves.
truly the Black Prince of our time
do it for him
>g. I think Canadians as a whole would benefit from a cultural perspective if we were to let go of the monarchy and begin constructing for ourselves a new national identity no rooted in the almost completely irrelevant and quite shameful notions of servitude to the monarchy
Ok, build on this idea then.
If uniting the country under a national identity is so important to you, than you are going to need to develop a legitimate argument for wanting to tear the current identity which already unites us and spending the time and money to try and craft a new one. It's all risk vs reward. Why would people want to invest the resources to change something that drastically when we have a perfectly well accepted system already that serves the same function?
You should also stop with the ad-hominems m8y
I guess I'm a risky person.
I don't know how disconnected from reality you are, but most Canadians don't give a single shit about the Queen or the royal family. You have the old bags of shit in their retirement homes who care about them, but that's about it.
Why does Canada need to "construct a new national identity"? What's wrong with the identity Canadians have been constructing for fucking centuries?
You seem to have bought into the idea that Canada has no history and nothing to be proud and protective of. A ridiculous notion when what country wouldn't trade their supposedly "rich history and identity" (in almost all cases a 'history' of suffering, and an 'identity' they can't reconcile with the realities of the modern world).
You really lack perspective, both globally and historically, if you think Canada has anything in need of fixing, and "no history" and "no identity".
>What's wrong with the identity Canadians have been constructing for fucking centuries?
It doesn't fucking exist anymore, it's been fucking erased, look around. NOBODY CARES about our history or traditions, they're dead and nothing is going to change that
Over half of English Canadians support the Monarchy so im not sure where you are getting that claim from. If you include Quebec than sure you dip into the 40% range but Quebec already has the laws protecting its identity to compensate for their dislike for the British royal family.
You are risky, but most people are not. your claim that it's only "old people" who support the monarchy is completely incorrect and I would like to see where you are getting the data to make such a bold system. I can keep providing actual polling data though as you make uneducated claims.
Im not disconnected from reality m8, I work in government, I know how the voting population works and they are incredibly risk averse.
You seem to be equating history and traditions with funny hats. An all too common mistake.
Canada has "no culture" because it's at the forefront of global culture. You can't see it because it's spread everywhere. For better or worse Canada has been at the forefront of all global trends, and the envy of the world in almost all respects.
The fact that Canada has enjoyed uninterrupted democracy and the rule of law for centuries it's "boring"; that's utterly exceptional among nations. Similarly that it hasn't been invaded. Hasn't had a civil war. Hasn't had a revolution. That's the kind of "boring" other nations could only dream of.
Culturally, the rest of the world is presently tearing itself apart trying to emulate Canada's startling success with immigration, multiculturalism, and federalism. They're actively trying to emulate the Canadian model, while nobody in Canada with any brains in their head proposes emulating other countries in any regard. The whole present (arguably failing) 'European Project' is basically an attempt to turn Europe into a big Canada in all important respects.
I've lived outside of Canada, in various part of the world, for years, and the people there are by-and-large embarrassed by the sorts of things you'd consider "identity", and want nothing so much as to be just like Canada and Canadians. And it's certainly true that for most countries (those that aren't headed for failed state status) in the future they'll certainly look a lot more like Canada, while again the opposite certainly isn't true. We don't know where Canada is headed, because it's at the cusp of whatever it happening next.
...and don't forget economics. Canada has long been at the forefront of free trade and laissez faire practices while maintaining economic and societal cohesion, something many countries are still struggling with (for example, the one I'm in now). Again, Canada is the model for others here, and a moving target.
Our ties to the commonwealth, even as weak as they are now, are the only hope we Canadians have of ever reviving anything resembling nationalism in this liberal hellhole. There can be no "Canadian Nationalism" without the celebration of our ties to Britain. John A. MacDonald himself is quoted as saying "A British subject I was born, a British subject I will die." Those who opposed Confederation feared that it would spell the end of Canada's legacy of being the loyal colonies, which remained on Britain's side even when the American's revolted.
MacDonald assured them that this would not be the case, that Canada's identity as a steadfast, conservative force on the North American continent would stand forever in contrast to the passionate liberalism of the fledgling United Sates. And he was right for a time.
But then we had a string of Liberal governments after the War: Lester B. Pearson, Trudeau, and Chretien chief among them. These predominately French-Canadian governments hated the Canadian legacy of loyalty to Britain, and they did everything in their power to destroy it: they changed the flag, they introduced the 'doctrine of multiculturalism', they opened the floodgates to mass non-white immigration, and they changed the anniversary of our country's substantiation from 'Dominion day' to 'Canada day', a subtle change, but an important one, as 'The Dominion of Canada', as we were once know, implies a connection to the empire.
Soon these Liberals will be trying to abolish the Queen and who knows what else, all in the name of further transforming a once proud pillar of the greatest Empire ever to exist on this earth into a post-national multicultural fun land. Without Britain, there can be no Canadian identity, and no Canadian nationalism.
tl;dr you are a massive faggot, go read 'Lament for a Nation'
>"A British subject I was born, a British subject I will die."
What a hero, there is nothing wrong with serving so long as you are amply rewarded. To be a subject of a worthy anglo monarch is like serving god, eternal paradise awaits. Tragically that died a long time ago
Well what is your proposition then? We can not let the liberals turn Canada into a multicultural, globalist faggot state like Germany, and it looks to me, after all these years, that our traditions WILL come to an end eventually given this fucking incessant liberal mindset that has cemented itself into every successful nation in the modern world.
I really do want the same thing as you, I want Canada to be a self-sufficient, proud, right-wing nationalist state. If it were possible I'd restore our identity to what it once was, but I can't ever imagine that happening. I don't want our traditions to be erased and replaced with nothing, like the liberals want to do, I want them to be simply updated, and I believe the first step towards this is to let go of the monarchy. I think it's a waste of effort to try to preserve a doomed tradition, the damage has been done, the people are never going to embrace the empire like they did before, nor do I believe the empire is worth embracing any longer anyway (but that is just my opinion).
What on Earth can we possibly do? We can either cling to the past and try to restore what is inevitably going to be lost in the liberal tide, or we can try to plan for the future, and help build a new, stronger, more relevant and most importantly, physically manifest tradition that will stand in direct opposition to the liberal policy of cultural destruction.