Will Japanese become a useful language in the coming years? Or should we all be learning Chinese instead?
English, Spanish, French, and Korean are the only 2nd languages worth learning for the foreseeable future.
>Spanish speaking spics are taking over America
>English is still the language of business
>French is the secondary language of business
>South Korea is growing
>Japan and Russia are stagnant
>China is in mid-collapse
>Africa is Africa and thus ignorable
>Middle East will be at war with itself for the next 20 years
>Germany is cucked and no one uses German in professional settings
japanese is very useful, for people living in Japan, that's it
pretty based desu senpai, even with all the hikki's and otaku
>11 out of 5000 syrian refugees applications accepted
As someone that studies Japanese very heavily its an extremely useless language to learn with no growth in it. They even have a bunch of English words in the language.
I'm pretty sure Nips can read all but the most complex Kanji from memory, like some word that's only used in obscure court documents or something.
Now writing Kanji from memory? Not as good as they should be.
its not bad considering all of the bullshit, and the stuff promoting incel people isn't necessarily bad as long as they continue their streak of very strict immigration.i've heard it's outrageously crowded there
...whites on the other hand need to have more kids and stop getting gang raped by syed and jamal. japanese were never dumb enough to allow ridiculous amounts of unchecked, useless immigrants into their country so they don't need to worry as much
If you're trying to learn Japanese for the animu and/or comic strips you should know that Chinese fan translations for this media usually comes out quicker compared to English fan translations.
I don't think any languages are useless to learn. Learning a language opens the door into another way of thinking.
trudeau is a fucking dope, i dont know anyone who openly supports him and i even live in a riding where a liberal was elected. the people who voted for him are fucking embarrassed
There is only one reason why anybody would want to learn japanese.
Mandarin bruh, studying it now. One of the most useful languages. Its hard as balls though.
You shouldn't learn a language based on how 'useful' it can be. If you don't have any interest other than that it's going to be very hard to commit and most likely end in a waste of time (and we don't live forever yet)
Either way, is there something you want to watch/read in chinese today ? (cartoons, books, movies, courses, sports, etc)
do you have desire to live in China ?
if you don't have any yes, don't learn it. You already know english and you'll be fine with it during the 21st
>wanting to learn a language because you want to visit a country
unless you plan on going there regularly or doing business with japanese people there's no fucking point, seriously. people need to outgrow their fascination with japan and get in touch with their own culture.
>You should stop letting imageboards dictate your opinions, Canada.
r o f l. i didnt know not being an autistic weeb was equal to having my opinions dictated by a website.
it's become shit because da j00z obviously
But don't you want to be able to read Moero Chronicle, untranslated?
say what you want about chinese being more useful in business but unless you are actually going to do business with the chinese you may not use it much, where as you may use japanese everyday for anime and games or whatever, considering youre on 4chan i think i can tell
>y-you wanna learn j-j-j-j-japanese for an-n-nime you must b-b-be a wweeeb! Yeah that's right America! Take that!!
Yeah, no thanks, ima learn a new language and split my time between being free as fuck in Texas and learning about another country I find interesting while you cry about other people liking what you don't like on an anonymous imageboard from the most irrelevant place on earth.
Regardless of how it became shit, it is shit. Trump has a chance of saving us but I doubt it will help. Learning Nihongo to move to Area 11 and get a 2D wife is literally more possible than finding a place in America that hasn't been ruined by any of /pol/'s usual suspects.
Probably just the kanji part. Vocab is the heart of learning Japanese. I started from there, and worked outwards to grammar and such. Learning from a traditional grammar book won't help you a whole lot in Japan. If you don't want to go to Japan, than it's not worth the effort. Learning Japanese takes a lot of time (studying every single day) and some money.
Unless you work in tourism in Australia it's probably not worth it. I do, and being fluent gets me about 7-8 extra dollars an hour over fellow hotel concierges, plus FUCKING INSANE tips from japanese who think all western nations are America and tipping is mandatory.
But yeah it's probably not globally applicable like say Spanish(?), English or Chinese.
I dunno, I think the grammar side is more similar to Korean so it would be easy to study that later. And Japanese does use kanji, so you could read some Chinese if you get good enough.
Both of them wont rise in importance to the global level.
That meme about Chinese being lingua franca has been peddling by high acheaving deuchebag parents since mid 90s. Forcing their poor kids to learn something so unpractical.
Learning a language is really something you should do just to market yourself, anon. It's an absolutely massive investment and if your only interest in it is to make a few more bucks you'll either not stick with it or get that job and be absolutely miserable. There are times to pick the marketable option, this is not one.
Learn German we are returning to our land soon in Israel, also learn Hebrew if you want, but Modern Hebrew and Biblical Hebrew are kind of different, close but not completely identical, Modern Hebrew is a reconstruction of Masoretic Hebrew.
This. Same thing if you live in Hawaii. It's a regional, nice-to-have, niche, language. I would learn Chinese first, and pivot to Japanese if one finds it interesting--the simplified Hanzi will still give you about a 2000-2500 character head start on Kanji.
Spend some time around gooks before learning one of their languages. I went to university with a bunch and we never spoke. They don't talk to anyone who isn't Asian and are impolite little cunts
If you want to interact with them you are a sadist. They are really ugly too and I say that with no irony from my inbred island, gooks are just that bad
Don't even enable the chinks. Regardless of their economy, just don't learn their languages. These countries need to fuck off and go back to irrelevance
I've spoken to a lot of international students. It was mostly Chinese at my school, and more than one told me they just keep to themselves because other students tend to be dicks to them. Never had a bad experience with one personally. The Japanese I met at uni were either absolutely delightful or incredibly withdrawn. Hell, I started learning Japanese because I liked them so much. The Brazilians on the other hand were basically irl shitposters.
The one Aussie I "met" was a grad student giving a drunk lecture and no one could understand him. Good going, Australia.
The difference is I'm not wishing your country ill because I'm afraid of competition. I don't WANT you to become irrelevant. You're scared of China, which is why you're shitting on it.
They are dicks to everyone else. I've never seen such a race that just refuses to even sit with English students to talk to them. Nobody was a dick to them ever here but they just gave up when it was just gook groups huddled together in the corner never speaking English
Yeah that's it, I'm scared of an economy that will instantly dry up if people stop buying cheap plastic trinkets. Asians are just an awful race and all their cultures are terrible. They are just there to exploit and nothing else
Kind of how all the drunk, sweaty Brits always hang out at the same hotels and bars, and never interact with the locals as they trot around the ruins of their former empire? You mean that kind of huddling together?
>Asians are just an awful race and all their cultures are terrible.
They're second only to Europe of the last 500 years. How does that make them terrible? That entire region is the only other pole of high human civilization on the planet. What the fuck is wrong with you? Maybe they don't teach East Asian history in school in the UK.
I had a few approach me when I was just chilling, doing whatever. They would chat, talk about whatever basically. Their English wasn't great but if you listen you can definitely understand them. I wouldn't say they "give up," English is fucking hard to learn. Asian languages are hard too, but you'll be good as long as you know the vocab and very basic sentence structure. I get a sense that English is much "denser" than other languages, personally.
Japanese is useful for:
1- You're an Otaku (You love Japanese media)
2- You have ties with Japan (Work, Girlfriend)
3- You live in Japan (otherwise, you're an illiterate)
Japanese and Chinese have the same relationship as Spanish has with Portuguese. So while "it helps", you'll not automatically and magically learn the other just because.
He's right, senpai. "That entire region is the only other pole of high human civilization on the planet" umm.. you're thinking of Ancient China. The China of old was the only counter balance to Western civilization in antiquity. There is no Asian civilization in modernity. There is only Asian countries adopting Western civilization.
No, everyone who knew English, including other internationals from Europe gave up trying to talk to the gooks. For every other region of the world it was an exchange of cultures and language, I picked up quite a decent amount of several European languages just due to exposure. For the gooks, it was just sit in the corner ignoring anyone that wasn't a flat face and pretending that not knowing English so well makes it impossible to speak to others despite all the Europeans managing it easily
Why, because they wear suits? Please. Confucianism is still alive and well, and the Chinese communist government is almost identical to the family-elite bureaucracy of the Imperial era. Unlike Germany, Japan has refused to accept post-war narratives about its culture and people, and it depopulating in part because there are too many fucking people, and not enough opportunities, which makes the costs and stresses of having children undesirable. I doubt you've ever even been to East Asia, so that would mean you talking out of your ass. You'd call anyone who wasn't wearing silk robes and a painted face "western".
Did I hit a nerve?
Are you a pwoud Asian American defending his homeland's shitty culture and brief foray into relevance? Take your tiny penis and fantasies about how people act elsewhere
Am I a degenerate for trying to learn japanese as a third language?
>opens another door of thinking
No it doesnt. Have you ever actually studied a language before? What does that even mean another door of thinking?
Honestly languages take to long to learn and really isn't worth the time. Ive already put in way too much time to quit but chose a different hobby than language learning.
You sound like some Chink apologist, senpai -- probably cause you are one.
China in classical times was god tier. P.R.C. is a fucking laughing stock. Those retarded communists destroyed any and all Chinese identity, heritage, and culture. Modern day China is like if you removed someone's soul, er.. a science analogy would be like lobotomizing a person. I've never been to Chinkland, but I've seen Chink immigrants in my high school and college and there's something "off" with them. It's like if you told a barbarian to act civilized -- that's what a modern day Chinaman is. Don't know or care about other east asian countries. Korea, Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore etc. are only good because they're literally modeled on Western civilization.
japanese is a worthless language to learn and won't ever do you any good. if you want to learn japanese just so you can watch your animes and dream about marrying a kawaii uguu~ japanese waifu then go for it. just don't pretend there's any other reasons
The same thing happened to Russia, but the underlying civilizational instincts remained to be reintroduced in the present. The PRC is cultural impoverished, but the KMT probably couldn't have achieved what it has managed to do on the mainland--it probably wouldn't have even survived the Cold War. If China succeeds in reintroducing Confucianism into public life and schools, as is their current plan, I have no reason to think they won't continue on a good trajectory. After all, East Asian nations will be some of the last ethnically homogeneous societies left on the planet by the end of the century, and if /pol/ believes a damn thing it ever says, the lack of a race problem is the first criterion for a successful culture. That's why I'm not discounting them, not because of the idea that the greatness of their past is still alive and well in full.
The communists did some damage but you're delusional if you think there exists a force on this planet that can change the fundamental character of a billion people country. Right now if you just check the news (not like the general stuff from Western media, but more specific news from within China) you'll see how much the government has embraced tradition.
>and buy stuff
like your animes and waifu pillows. no need to get mad about it, no one is judging you here, juanito. yeah, i called you juanito because i noticed your flag and i know the deal. i know you spics LOVE your anime and are the biggest fucking weeaboos around. like i said, no one is judging. just don't deny it
Study Chinese, the Japanese will always hate you even if you learn their language. It also provides zero advantage in business.
The Chinese hate you too, they'll just be less open about it. Also, if you can read/write Chinese you're less likely to get screwed over in business there. Which is still a bfd, even after the TPP inevitably passes. Also it's the written language of PRC, HK, Taiwan AND Japan. It opens more doors.
Japanese is a nicer sounding language, though. Don't even bother with Cantonese.
A kimono wearing otaku social studies professor and hikikomori was teaching a class on Asian History.
"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Emperor Akihito and accept that that the Japanese are the most highly-evolved human beings that the world has ever known."
At this moment, a sagacious, filial, scholar-gentleman who has scored ahead of 150,000 students in the Civil Service Exams and understood the full extent of the barbarity of those living outside Zhongguo held up a copy of the Nihon Shoki.
"What are the characters written upon the pages of the Nihon Shoki?"
The arrogant professor smirked, tightened his hachimaki, and smugly replied "Kanji, you baka."
"True, Kanji, which loosely translates into "Han characters." To be precise the Nihon Shoki is written in Guwen, which is Classical Chinese script. If the Japanese are indeed perfect human beings then they would have come up with their own culture & civilization as opposed to just borrowing from the Chinese or from anyone else."
The Professor was visibly shaken and dropped his calligraphy brush and copy of CLAMP's Cardcaptor Sakura. He stormed out of the room and tried to commit seppuku like in his animes.
The students applauded with a big "wansui!" and all signed up with the Popular Uprising that day and declared that the scholar-gentleman has the Mandate of Heaven. A dragon named "All Under Heaven" flew into the room and coiled around the Chinese flag and magically turned it yellow. The Analects was read several times, and the Jade Emperor himself showed up and enacted territorial seizures of disputed territories around the country.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of complications caused by an erroneous performance of the seppuku ritual and went to Diyu, where he is tried, found guilty, and punished by the Ten Yama Kings of Diyu.
You posted this in another tread buddy.
yeah but it will be in the next like 50 years. humanoid/android industry revolution will ever 100% happen in japan and it will be a paradigm shift for human society. thats when the language will be useful or beneficial because its industry will be almost monopolized by japan.
we already have the proof that all the others still fucking suck at human modelings in both 2d and 3d, especially faces. although it takes a long time. in other words it wont have been useful until then.
We have a far-right politician here who studied in Japan, is fluent in Japanese and whose wife is Japanese and he has a pretty good standing in Japan.
there is literally no logical reason to learn Japanese when you can learn Greek and join the empire
unless you are a weeb
are you a weeb?
>japanese were never dumb enough to allow ridiculous amounts of unchecked, useless immigrants into their country so they don't need to worry as much
They live on a fucking Island on the other side of the planet. Do you even geography?
It won't become any more or less relevant than its currently been for the last 600 years.
If you plan on doing anything useful in China or Japan then you should learn their language.
It seems to be the other way around. The Japs are in the twilight stages of an obsession with everything France. The two countries do share a love of aesthetics and both have discerning tastes.
My bets are on Japan moving on to obsess over the Aussie culture next... God help us all.
Same dilemma as OP. I am fluent in German, Russian, English and Spanish. And I just can't decide whether to learn Chinese or Japanese. Chinese is hard as fuck to speak because of the sounds and there is nothing that interests me culturally like movies or manga. Japanese on the other hand is beautiful in my ears and there is a shitload of things I can read like ln, vn and manga but it's just not a very useful language.
China is crashing though and will likely become the next Japan economically, so it will be not very relevant.
Actually this thread just made me decide.
>will I be able to meet girls
Why do all faggot anglos ask that kind of shit
You don't know me senpai.
We could have saved the shogunate.
The whole post Renaissance era is choke-full of balance-tipping points that would have changed the world but the French leaders were not concerned enough to pursue.
Japan's time of glory is still to come. Once the rightful rule of the holy sovereign, his majesty the emperor, is restored we shall once again fight to free the orient from the cancer of western manipulation.
The idealized version of "Americana" culture between the '20s and '60s ain't that bad and holds its own to other top-tier cultural periods really. It's the post-80's counter-culture that sucks dick and is everything wrong with the world.
The only thing that can save japan is kicking out the Koreans, Chinks and pinoys and going isolationist again.
War with the outside will only get you integrated either into China or into America
come on! must people in America don't even listen to those bands you mentioned.
Its either some nigger or some wigger that people go on about.
Modern American culture is a cancer.
Even "classical" American culture is garbage.
You people were already thought of as white niggers in the 19th century.
>They fail to see the extent to which America is “negrified” not only racially and demographically, but above all in its civilization, in the behavior, and tastes of Americans, even when there has been no actual mixing with negro blood.
>Instead, besides its Puritan-Protestant component (which, in turn, as a result of its fetishistic emphasis on the Old Testament, possesses many judaized, degenerate traits), it seems that it is precisely the negro element, in its primitivism, that has set the tone in important aspects of the American psyche.
>Another thing that struck me [in the American] was the great influence of the Negro, a psychological influence naturally, not due to the mixing of blood. The emotional way an American expresses himself, especially the way he laughs, can best be studied in the illustrated supplements of the American papers; the inimitable Teddy Roosevelt laugh is found in its primordial form in the American Negro. The peculiar walk with loose joints, or the swinging of the hips so frequently observed in Americans, also comes from the Negro. American music draws its main inspiration from the Negro, and so does the dance. The expression of religious feeling, the revival meetings, the Holy Rollers and other abnormalities are strongly influenced by the Negro. The vivacity of the average American, which shows itself not only at baseball games but quite particularly in his extraordinary love of talking – the ceaseless gabble of American papers is an eloquent example of this – is scarcely to be derived from his Germanic forefathers, but is far more like the chattering of a Negro village. The almost total lack of privacy and the all-devouring mass sociability remind one of primitive life in open huts, where there is complete identity with all members of the tribe.
That's going to be as wildly successful as when America went metric.
True. It's rather challenging to find raws in the original Japanese. Still, translations (especially into Chinese or English) are so disgusting compared to the original they might as well not exist.
Took the N3 last time, scored in the 2nd percentile.This year, I'll try the N2 (though I'm currently already somewhere between N2 and N1 level, gotta aim for them highscores) and I'll go for the N1 next year.
My interest in Japanese started out like with everyone else, gaems and anime. But since I started being able to read Japanese without much of a problem, it's just lost some of its magic. At the moment, I pretty much just continue doing it for the challenge, and being able to "read" doujinshi without having to rely on shitty translations is also kinda nice.
Waste of time and money? Maybe. But at this point, the daily vocab and kanji has just become something I want to do every day. Plus it's probably a good memory exercise.
Any N* bros on /pol/?
>A language spoken by people today will die in your lifetime
That's not how language works. At worst, Japanese will continue to incorporate borrowed words from other languages and continue its progression into being a largely different language from what it was a century before... as it's pretty much done for nearly two millennia since the Chinese discovered the island.
Shit, by your definition of a "dead language" English has died about four or five separate deaths in the last 1000 years alone. Japanese is a fucking iron wall of language preservation compared to some of the radical shifts English went through following the Norman conquest.
Good luck. N2 ain't so bad if you keep a well-rounded study regimen of new words, grammar and kanji up while figuring out how to study quickly with contextual knowledge that goes beyond rote memorization.
The fluency gap between N2 and N1, though, is wider than the fucking grand canyon. I've been stuck here at N2 for a better part 2 years. If you can't breeze through a Japanese newspaper like you could in your native language, or listen and fully understand a college-level lecture, N1 is pretty much out of reach.
>French comedy still kicks their ass hard
fucking wot m8
After the depreciation of the Yen in the mid '80s to early 90s no way in hell.
Though the Canadian dollar isn't doing too well either.
Are Americans genuinely this retarded?
Korea is literally a knock off Japan, Japan was growing at some point, Korea is literally slowing down already they have the exact same demographic issue already looming. The only difference being is that Japan is the main regional power along with China while South Korea is more the baby, Japan has much more international presence and weight. Japan has literally double the people and triple the GDP. If Korean is a worthwhile second-language then Japanese is only more so. Japan is so big it can stagnate forever and be relevant, Korea can't ever reach that level.
>French is the secondary language of business
fucking what lmao? Arguably French is still important sure but the secondary language of business in the current year, delusion.
Spanish is worthless for a European but I can see why Americans might be interested, although along your line of thought the entire Latin world is fucked and basically Africa level of relevance anyway.
I agree Mandarin is overrated but its not worth less than Korean.
Maybe its because I'm in Europe but German is no less used professionally than French, the English level of the German world is far overrated. Despite being cucked the German speaking world is probably the highest quality area in the world and is a literal economic monster, the language isn't going anywhere.
Nah you must be talking about the mainland Chinese.
Some of the Koreans could be a lil wierd but for the most part Koreans/HKers/Japs that came to uni here are doing so because they are interested in the west to an extent and therefore a decent enough. They tend to gather with other Asians sure but its only natural i though they are generally pretty decent.
Honestly actually some of the mainland Chinese were decent enough if you actually talk to them.