>>61130863 Jefferson was by far the worst founding father. >gigantic hypocrite about everything (hated slavery but owned/fucked slaves, thought that rebellion was good but never got his own hands dirty, etc) >not very smart, copied (more like plagiarized really) most of his ideas/prose from Locke.
>>61131557 Yes I have. Have you read anything else? I very much doubt you have. Most people who like/worship Jefferson know nothing about 18th century political theory. Every thing that he wrote was basically a rehash of Locke's Second Treatise. >>61131568 Wow. He signed a sheet of paper and then sat back and watched thousands of men die to protect him. How brave.
Jefferson realized the hypocrisy of slavery, but he represented Virginia and therefore couldnt go back on his state. If you look up the actual accounts he was considered one of the most benign slaveowners of the time.
Thomas Jefferson was easily the most impressive of your founding fathers. I wish Canada had founders as amazing as your country did, instead we still pay lip service to an obsolete family of inbred Normans.
My guess is that this site is full of Christfags with reality-filtering goggles on who think that the founders were a bunch of devout Christians. A shame that these amazing individuals best qualities are probably lost on the people who benefited from their philosophy.
>>61131296 this, also went through with the Louisiana Purchase although the Constitution didn't give him the power to even though he had previously been a big supporter of a strict interpretation of the Constitution
>>61131793 Dude he personally owned slaves for all of his life and didn't even both freeing them after he died. He was a huge hypocrite. Anyone who thinks that he was some kind of "intellectual juggernaut" has never actually read actual political philosophy.
>>61131296 You must be retarded, he was one of the smartest presidents we've ever had. He invented/improved a ton of useful shit, he was an architect, he wrote the declaration of independence, and made the Louisiana purchase.
>>61132352 he thought slavery was wrong, but that blacks were idiots and couldn't assimilate into white culture - so by staying as slaves he was doing them a favor and was being like a benevolent caretaker.
Jefferson. Holy fuck, how is that a question? >Loose interpretation of the constitution Read "you fought a fucking war for freedom, give me the power to make it transitory....for your own good, of course."
>>61132844 I never understood how not even a quarter of a century after the Constitution was created, something like the Alien and Sedition acts came about, especially when a good portion of the Founding Fathers were still alive.
>be hamilton, federalist scum >literally wanted to overthrow the government during Adams presidency >insult Burr through entire career >get called out >"n-no i didn't say that" >continues to insult him >gets called out for duel >trys to puss out >ends up having to go >gets fucking killed >his party lies about it and runs Burr out of politics and history altogether
>>61132968 Adams was a manlet with a napoleon complex who though he was a modern cicero
Jefferson was borderline autistic but a cool guy
my favorite Jefferson story:
>writes the declaration of independence in 2 days, to the point where people thought he was "channeling god" >brings it for review by committee >three different sections were reworded/completely omitted >the worst was this fan fiction about how americans were descended from "germanic woods people" and that they owed nothing to the british anglos (jefferson was a notorious anglophobe, like that one german shitposter) >everyones like "dude, wtf is this shit? gtfo you nut" >omitts the section >jefferson goes into an autistic rage >starts transcribing and copying his original draft to send to friends and newspapers, spends literally months through some of the most important periods of the CC rewritting his fanfiction >almost misses actually signing the DoI because of it
>>61132491 I think it was about 10c an acre if you do the math. They also knew that the French were desperate for money and were very calculating in the making and timing of the deal. Then you guys purchased Alaska from the Russians. It's almost enough to make one believe in manifest destiny.
Too bad you fucking faggots couldn't go all the way and conquer us. The worst part of our history was the part where you didn't assimilate us into a united north america.
As we know, Adams was a disaster, the only good thing he did was alien and sedition rights due to the XYZ affair. Jefferson would focus more on moving the country froward, which he did with the LA purchase. Truly, I think the reason why the United States is as it is right now with all of its western lands, it's because of Jefferson when he first bought the first piece of land to the west and broke the northwest ordinance.
>>61133009 I understand it. People get lazy, politicians get crafty and hungry for power, no one wants to rebel. It's an old story. Sometimes it's just a fucking convenience thing too. Sedition acts during WW1 were viewed as totally necessary, and the supreme court even ruled that congress had a right to do that in the event of such a terrifying war. Ditto to Japanese internment.
That's one thing I hope we can do better than our so-called "greatest" generation; actually put the feds back in their goddamn place, when they try to imprison Americans who've done absolutely fucking nothing wrong again.
Jefferson is an American hero. Him, Franklin, Jackson and Washington should be considered our greatest men, for their own reasons. Though I'd give Jackson the edge on being a better president over Jefferson, but TJ was obviously a bit better of an overall statesman.
>>61133932 I agree that failing to take Mexico was the bigger mistake (Id rather be stuck with us as a neighbor than mexico). Still, if you guys had gone all-in and taken Canada, you would have absolute dominion of the great lakes and all the other lakes across Canada to yourself. You would also have our oil.
Canada, in return, would not be put through the humiliation of licking the tits of an obsolete monarch and the country she presides over. On a more personal note, I could buy things off of eBay without paying a 1.4X currency exchange rate.
>moving into Spanish/French/Indian lands >good idea
Look, I'm of French decent. I get it. WASPs are just strange to me. But Latins are worse. Cruelty just comes easy to us, and I don't understand why. I think it's that shared Roman ancestry that makes us this way. If we're not being totally debauched drunk, and feasting, we're stabbing people, or each other with sharpened metal. It's like some kind of genetic dain bramage. Hispanics have it worse because of the Arab admixture which gives them a particular kind of viciousness unique to them. Then there's the Native Americans who will be fine with you one day, and scalping you the next.
Hell, just look at how the Mexicans treated the Whites they invited to "Tejas" to civilize it. Stabbed them right in the back as easy as taking a morning piss. Whatever issues the Anglos may have, the Latin-Europeans, and their American counterparts are much, much worse.
>>61130863 >not joining the French Foreign Legion/Volunteer regiments >not fighting for Napoleon, the last true good guy >not fucking your way across Europe >not freezing to death next to your recently acquired, Polish best friend
Heh. eBay is one thing, but Canadian Amazon and Newegg are something else entirely. I feel for your suffering, I visited those sites once to find a gift for a Canadian friend of mine. It was like looking at sadness taken digital form.
Jefferson was a crazy cunt for writing that, but he was good in other ways.
The American revolutionaries were closer to being the grandsons of the English Civil War than to Germanic tree-worshippers.
The biggest issue the FFs had with the crown was that they broke the promises they made to the British people back home. No taxing for wars after the fact. Ask for a tax from Parliament before you go to war, or pay for it with the crown's own funds. Don't fight a war then come home with your hand in hand and demand people stick their money into it to pay for your bullshit.
Stupidest continent politically, confirmed. Canada. First amalgamated leader, John MacDonald, Liberal-Conservative Party. Canada then goes on to elect only Liberal, or Conservative, governments, for the rest of her history up 'til now. Murka. Federalists lose out to the Democratic-Republican Party, and America goes on to elect pretty much only Dems and Repubs for the rest of time. Mexico. Revolution. Then PRI for 80 years with a few PANs in there for good measure. What a garbage shit-show, for morons
French people are notorious for road rage. If Mad Max took place in Louisiana, or France, it would have made the Outback Wasteland look like a spirited game of bumper cars.
Flip off a driver in south Louisiana, and they will fight with you over it. Like 30% of the cars down here have battle damage because we're crazy, and unable to drive without being reckless. Take more than 2 seconds to leave a red light and people will be weaving in and out of traffic to get around you.
I've seen normal, amiable people turn into maniacs behind the wheel.
Not in the least, Anon. Not in the least. The English Civil War started over less. It took years for the revolution to brew, and Parliament took effort in fucking with the colonists thinking they were some kind of lesser species of Englishmen. Just read William Pitt's addresses to Parliament, and he's the man who started the war that make the taxes necessary that pissed off the colonists in the first place!
>>61135304 >Jefferson was a crazy cunt for writing that, but he was good in other ways.
I just though it was funny, its not even that ridiculous and he wasn't the only anglophobe in america at the time. (weirdly enough)
he was a genius, not to mention he pioneered various agricultural methods we still use today (mostly to do with irrigation and crop rotation) and was the first to push for free public education and founded the library of congress.
And yeah, britain was a dick when it came to war debts
>oh, heres the 7 year war >ok we repelled the actual threat against the colonies >William Pitt "hmmm this seems like a good opportunity for expansion, lets borrow shit loads of cash so we can go sack montreal and quebec and louisbourgh" >"actually fuck it. lets saddle the colonies not only with taxes for that debt but make them pay part of our naval efforts abroad too"
>Resistance to your acts was necessary as it was just; and your vain declarations of the omnipotence of Parliament, and your imperious doctrines of the necessity of submission, will be found equally impotent to convince or to enslave your fellow-subjects in America, who feel tyranny, whether ambitioned by an individual part of the legislature, or the bodies who compose it, is equally intolerable to British subjects...What, though you march form town to town, and from province to province; though you should be able to enforce a temporary and local submission, which I only suppose, not admit—how shall you be able to secure the obedience of the country you leave behind you in your progress, to grasp the dominion of eighteen hundred miles of continent, populous in numbers, possessing valour, liberty, and resistance? This resistance to your arbitrary system of taxation might have been foreseen: it was obvious, from the nature of things and of mankind; and, above all, from the Whiggish spirit flourishing in that country. The spirit which now resists your taxation in America, is the same which formerly opposed loans, benevolences, and ship-money, in England: the same spirit which called all England on its legs, and by the Bill of Rights vindicated the English constitution: the same spirit which established the great, fundamental, essential maxim of your liberties, that no subject of England shall be taxed but by his own consent. This glorious spirit of Whiggism animates three millions in America; who prefer poverty with liberty to gilded chains and sordid affluence; and who will die in defence of their rights as men, as freemen.
Speech in the House of Lords (20 January, 1775).
Pitt's behavior was the driving cause behind the revolution, yet he was our most staunch supporter in Britain. He defended us to his death bed.
Would still take him over Jefferson to be honest family
>The Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations.
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He was great, one of the only brits who actually wanted to give the colonies seats in parliament >which neither king george, parliament, or the massachusetts bay colony would agree to
If he had taken a different approach with the 7 years war (and the following taxes) and been able to work with parliament and (somehow) gotten the king on his side, we would possibly still be a colony right now
Maybe not though, as "the cause" had already been slowly spreading among the colonies by the time he began to make serious considerations towards colonial representation in parliament
>>61135859 I absolutely have met French people, my girlfriend and her family are French American, and they are the calmest most well behaved people I've ever known. I've also employed mestizo Hispanics to work on my property and they could t be more different from European French people.
>>61131296 >hated slavery but owned/fucked slaves There's no proof he ever did have sex with any of his slaves. The genetic evidence in present generations can not distinguish him from other close male relatives with the same Y chromosomes.
>>61130863 John Adams was the 2nd president of the United States
>The major accomplishment of his presidency was a peaceful resolution of the conflict in the face of Hamilton's opposition. >Due to his strong posture on defense, Adams is "often called the father of the American Navy". >He was the first U.S. president to reside in the executive mansion, now known as the White House
There likely would have been a later, more peaceful separation. As with Canada, and Australia. But somewhat different for us. It's just the caliber of people that came to America as opposed to the other colonies. America wasn't a place people came to necessarily for wealth. Yes, you could find it here, but it was more of a religious thing. You could read your bible here in peace, and that's what a lot of colonists wanted; freedom to seek their own path in life. Away from the tribulations of 17th, and 18th century Europe's fragmenting social disarray.
>>61137412 >they are much too passive and beta to ever be real leaders
didn't always used to be like this
>"To think of these stars that you see overhead at night, these vast worlds which we can never reach. I would annex the planets if I could; I often think of that. It makes me sad to see them so clear and yet so far." t. Cecil Rhodes
>>61137334 >There's no proof he ever did have sex with any of his slaves
well, there was one affair with a mulatto house servant (not technically a slave) that was originally used as a smear campaign during his run from presidency that was more or less confirmed to be accurate (by jefferson himself later in his life)
but its not like he was out fucking field hands and shit, and there were only a handful of founders (GW, Adams, Madison) that didn't have something on the side
Burr was notorious for fucking married chicks
Franklin would fuck anything that moved and had a french accent
It still wasn't all that big a deal to be a playboy back then
What kind of French American? Because Acadians will be your best friends until you piss them off, and then the knives and shotguns come out, or just their fists. Mestizo Hispanics are as amiable as any other Latin group until you piss them off as well, and once again the knives come out.
You're just seeing the good side. You've never had to deal with that Latin hot blooded behavior.
>>61137388 >that last one lol, adams got the shit end of the stick he basically showed up to move into the whitehouse (which had no furniture and almost nothing else in DC was finished) and then had to move out like 3 months later
His wife was super pissed about it
>John Adams spent most of his one term as President in Philadelphia. He moved to the White House on Saturday, November 1, 1800. The following Tuesday he lost the Presidential election to Thomas Jefferson. President John Adams.
>>61130863 What if I want: >rule by the wealthy class >weak federal gov. - strong state gov >emphasis on space travel and terraforming >strict interpretation of the constitution >russian-japanese alliance
But you must admit that Anglos don't have the same edge as the German, Irish, Scottish, etc. Americans that came over a little later. It was like those tribes had to fight to be accepted into the mainstream and now that they are, they seem to really value it, perhaps more than Anglos.
I mean look at Fox News every night - 3 Irish people - Megyn Kelly, O'Reilly, and Hannity, always giving shit to the liberals. Or the German Trump or Limbaugh. And then there is Anglo Jeb, always do lukewarm.....something happened where Anglos lost their goddamn edge.
Well, I can't argue with you there. But yes, it was inevitable. The character of the American colonists was just one that was not going to abide the kind of government that 19th Century Britain evolved into. Empire destroyed everything the British Civil War, and the subsequent Bill of Rights sought to create. Pitt unleashed a monster, but at least he had the wherewithal to know that he'd made a terrible mistake.
I like seeing that the Irish, and the Scots can fully embrace what makes this nation so great. But then again, it's the Scots that had the kind of thinking that shook Britain to it's 17th century line of thinking, even if it was destroyed by Imperialism. The Irish just straight up fucking hate the English. It's sad that my people tend to flock to monarchist sentimentality. Our politics are downright fucked. Despite the big Republican show we put on, we're Democrats deep down.
Only a few can see the larger picture. The rest are hopeless, amiable drunks that think that such considerations are for faggots.
At least we're vicious fighters when it's necessary. Though we're only here because we didn't want to swear allegiance to a certain crown, and not no crowns at all, unlike the Anglo-Americans.
Germans are just machines that have taken human form. Who knows what they really desire politically as long as they can continue to function towards their prime directive. Which apparently is "Work."
Adams you unamerican fucks god King Hamilton wanted neither in but he knew that Adams was going to be far less damaging than Jefferson was and he was right. Only demoshits and ignorant people like Jefferson Read into him and you will see he's 100% modern day libshit material >>61138269 >Alliance with the reds Commie
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