It's 1800, who does /pol/ vote for?

>>61130863
Trump

>>61130863
John Adams.

>>61130904
/thread

jefferson

definitely jefferson

>>61130904
Top motheffucking kek

>>61130863
>1800
>Not being a staunch anti-federalist.

It isn't too late to return to the Articles of Confederation.

>>61130863
MAH BOI TJ!!!

>>61130863
Adams immediately tried to get rid of freedom of speech. 0/10 bresident. Jefferson all the way.

>>61130863
jefferson

primarily because i live in charlottesville (cwcville) and attend his university

>>61130863
John Adams, Hamilton, and Washington were a dream team

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>>61130863

Tommy Jeff

Jefferson

>>61130863
Jefferson was by far the worst founding father.
>gigantic hypocrite about everything (hated slavery but owned/fucked slaves, thought that rebellion was good but never got his own hands dirty, etc)
>not very smart, copied (more like plagiarized really) most of his ideas/prose from Locke.

Fuck Jefferson.

>>61130863
Just finished watching that John Adams show on HBO. Pretty good show, actors for both men did a great job even though one of them was British

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>>61130863

Jefferson and only a cuck would vote otherwise.

The answer is obvious.

Hamilton.

Mr. Jefferson, no doubt.

>>61131296

>4th grade history class from a liberal teacher, the post

Have you actually read jefferson you cuck?

>>61131296
>never got his hands dirty

Stupid nigger. Signing, much less writing the declaration of independence, was a death warrant.

>>61131296
Sure, but John Adams was many times worse.

>>61131503
>Hamilton
>ever
oy

>>61130863
probably John Adams, I'm a Federalist and emphasize manufacturing, I hardly care who I ally with as long as they are white and not controlled by Jews.

ALEXANDER HAMILTON
WE ARE WAITING IN THE WINGS 4 U

>>61130863
The one that had sex with black people

>>61131503
Hamilton wasn't eligible to run for President.
Just like Cruz.

>>61130904
first post, best post

>>61131618
He won in the end and got what he wanted.

Mother fucker ran the US government

Jefferson was a pussy. The embargo act was right out of Obama's playbook.

>>61131557
Yes I have. Have you read anything else? I very much doubt you have. Most people who like/worship Jefferson know nothing about 18th century political theory. Every thing that he wrote was basically a rehash of Locke's Second Treatise.
>>61131568
Wow. He signed a sheet of paper and then sat back and watched thousands of men die to protect him. How brave.

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>>61130863
>coming off of a terrible first term for Adams
>so bad that Hamilton actually attempted to build up a standing army to overthrow the government (newburg conspiracy)

Jefferson all day err day

also, if you guys haven't read the Jefferson/Adams letters after these guys finally made up, you are missing out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRU1AJsXN1g
John Adams

>>61131296
Jesus, read a fucking book.

Jefferson realized the hypocrisy of slavery, but he represented Virginia and therefore couldnt go back on his state.
If you look up the actual accounts he was considered one of the most benign slaveowners of the time.

>>61130863

Sounds like both were statist. Neither.

>>61131764


He wrote one of the most important documents ever. His intellect was worth its weight.

Eat a nigger dick you pussy.

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>>61130904
MAGA, my good friend.

Thomas Jefferson was easily the most impressive of your founding fathers. I wish Canada had founders as amazing as your country did, instead we still pay lip service to an obsolete family of inbred Normans.

My guess is that this site is full of Christfags with reality-filtering goggles on who think that the founders were a bunch of devout Christians. A shame that these amazing individuals best qualities are probably lost on the people who benefited from their philosophy.

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Step aside bitches
certified badass motherfucker coming through

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>>61130863
Jefferson of course. Anyone who wouldn't is a massive faggot participating in the cuckery of America.

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>>61131738
He was a faggot who abused the fuck out of his position and Burr is a hero for plugging that asshole

>>61130863
Jefferson of course
>not wanting to be free

>>61131296
this, also went through with the Louisiana Purchase although the Constitution didn't give him the power to even though he had previously been a big supporter of a strict interpretation of the Constitution

>>61131793
Dude he personally owned slaves for all of his life and didn't even both freeing them after he died. He was a huge hypocrite. Anyone who thinks that he was some kind of "intellectual juggernaut" has never actually read actual political philosophy.

>>61130863
Jefferson - I didn't fight and win a fucking rebellion just to be kucked by the next british king in succession

>>61130904
>voting for a fucking new yorker jew lover

>>61130863
I want to say Thomas Jefferson but my girlfriend is distantly related to john adams so I'm going to have to go with him

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>>61130863
Obviously agree entirely with Jefferson, except for the "alliance with French".

>>61131296
You must be retarded, he was one of the smartest presidents we've ever had. He invented/improved a ton of useful shit, he was an architect, he wrote the declaration of independence, and made the Louisiana purchase.

>>61132252
>not realizing the Louisiana Purchase was the best deal ever. 1/3 of a continent for hardly anything. Manifest destiny, bitches.

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>>61132415
Liberté, égalité, fraternité!

>>61132005
I love the Ronald McDonald at the background.

>>61132352
he thought slavery was wrong, but that blacks were idiots and couldn't assimilate into white culture - so by staying as slaves he was doing them a favor and was being like a benevolent caretaker.

>2016
>thinking he was wrong

>>61130863
Jefferson for everything other than the french alliance

>>61130863
Everyone knows if you rush food production its OP late game.

Thomas Jefferson

>>61131618
definitely a good choice
his only faults are cheating on his wife and his Society for Establishing Useful Manufactures

everything else is bro tier

Just wanted to remind ameribros that Jefferson sent out Navy to btfo barbary scum and asked congress only after they were under way

hence
>to the shores of Tripoli

any man that would risk his political career to fuck with muslim scum and defend white man has my vote

>>61132589
>>61132415
>unwilling to support a brother republic
what are you, monarchists?

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>>61132352
>Dude he personally owned slaves for all of his life and didn't even both freeing them after he died

confirmed for not knowing shit

>jefferson was an idiot hurr durr

guessing you never read anything he wrote, right?

The Adams/Jefferson letters are the most important dialogue from the time period and laid out the framework of the party system ideologies we still live in to this day you utter moron

Vote for Dom Pedro II and build the American Empire.

>>61131123

Have you ever met ChrisChan?

Jefferson. Holy fuck, how is that a question?
>Loose interpretation of the constitution
Read "you fought a fucking war for freedom, give me the power to make it transitory....for your own good, of course."

>>61130863
Jefferson, of course

>>61132704
This.

Jeffy knew what to do

>>61131013
>>1800
>>Not being a staunch anti-federalist.
>It isn't too late to return to the Articles of Confederation.

There's a reason we got rid of them dipshit.

>>61132828
Ive seen him on the road only once. I followed him to Dairy Queen, but he stayed in the drive through.

This is when he has turned into full girl.

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>>61132729
>Alliance with the French

>>61130863
John Adams

John Adams was a beta, so probably Jefferson.

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Based Jefferson of course

>>61131013
By that point Sam Adams and friends were irrelevant tier. The only opposition was moderate.

>>61132844
I never understood how not even a quarter of a century after the Constitution was created, something like the Alien and Sedition acts came about, especially when a good portion of the Founding Fathers were still alive.

>>61130863
Idk
Jefferson wanted a nation of farmers
while
Adams was in support for the creation of the fed reserve

>>61132685

>be hamilton, federalist scum
>literally wanted to overthrow the government during Adams presidency
>insult Burr through entire career
>get called out
>"n-no i didn't say that"
>continues to insult him
>gets called out for duel
>trys to puss out
>ends up having to go
>gets fucking killed
>his party lies about it and runs Burr out of politics and history altogether

he was an asshole

>>61130863
Anyone who doesn't vote for Jefferson needs to swing from a lamppost.

John Adams is a fucking traitor to everything the revolution was fought for

>>61132491
>Someone offers you half a continent
>Say "no"

Jefferson without doubt


>>61130904
>mfw trumpfags can't stop talking about him in every thread
Retards

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>>61130904
this

>>61130863
Jefferson faggot

>>61132968
Adams was a manlet with a napoleon complex who though he was a modern cicero

Jefferson was borderline autistic but a cool guy

my favorite Jefferson story:

>writes the declaration of independence in 2 days, to the point where people thought he was "channeling god"
>brings it for review by committee
>three different sections were reworded/completely omitted
>the worst was this fan fiction about how americans were descended from "germanic woods people" and that they owed nothing to the british anglos (jefferson was a notorious anglophobe, like that one german shitposter)
>everyones like "dude, wtf is this shit? gtfo you nut"
>omitts the section
>jefferson goes into an autistic rage
>starts transcribing and copying his original draft to send to friends and newspapers, spends literally months through some of the most important periods of the CC rewritting his fanfiction
>almost misses actually signing the DoI because of it

Jefferson is still a bro, but he was a weird guy

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>>61131764
>>61132352
Iconoclasts fucking piss me off.

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>>61132491
I think it was about 10c an acre if you do the math. They also knew that the French were desperate for money and were very calculating in the making and timing of the deal. Then you guys purchased Alaska from the Russians. It's almost enough to make one believe in manifest destiny.

Too bad you fucking faggots couldn't go all the way and conquer us. The worst part of our history was the part where you didn't assimilate us into a united north america.

>>61133370
Why does she have a tattoo in the second pic but not the first?

>>61130863
>french alliance

with Napoleon huh? I guess it was just a counter-Brits alliance

Saying Jefferson wasn't smart....why did they choose him to write the founding documents?

He must have been pretty respected.

Alexander Hamilton

>>61133590
Berenstain universe, my friendo.
:^)

As we know, Adams was a disaster, the only good thing he did was alien and sedition rights due to the XYZ affair. Jefferson would focus more on moving the country froward, which he did with the LA purchase. Truly, I think the reason why the United States is as it is right now with all of its western lands, it's because of Jefferson when he first bought the first piece of land to the west and broke the northwest ordinance.

>>61130863
Jefferson then Jackson then Polk

>>61133515
Can you point me to more details on that spergfest about "germanic woods people"? Sounds fascinating.

I guess people who do extreme things like signing their name to a declaration of war against the most powerful kingdom in existence are prone to doing crazy shit

>>61130904
You Trumpcucks are the same type of people that would have vote for Adams.

>>61133671
don't listen to the shitposters

Jefferson was brilliant, but he was actually 3rd in line to write the DoI

Adams was first
>didn't want to as he had made so many enemies in the CC as the leader of the independence movement he thought it would effect support of the document

Franklin was next
>refused to have any of his work edited, which he knew would be inevitable with such a work

>>61133587

Eh. Taking you would have been pointless. Fruitful, yes. Lots of resources, but pointless. You're better as allies than as subjects, really.

Not taking Mexico when it was still considered logical, and acceptable to genocide Natives was the biggest mistake this country ever made.

We could have had everything down to Guatemala, and never had to deal with the Mexican menace ever again.

>>61133031
> be Hamilton
> Actually fight in the War, unlike Jefferson

>>61130863
aaron burr

>>61133515
Citation needed.
The only section I can remember off the top of my head that was cut wholesale was his anti-slavery bit.

Based Federalists, how is that even a question?

>>61133009
I understand it. People get lazy, politicians get crafty and hungry for power, no one wants to rebel. It's an old story.
Sometimes it's just a fucking convenience thing too. Sedition acts during WW1 were viewed as totally necessary, and the supreme court even ruled that congress had a right to do that in the event of such a terrifying war. Ditto to Japanese internment.

That's one thing I hope we can do better than our so-called "greatest" generation; actually put the feds back in their goddamn place, when they try to imprison Americans who've done absolutely fucking nothing wrong again.

>>61133587
Supposedly it almost happened, Benedict Arnold almost took Quebec but through a series of fuckups got chased back to Ticonderoga.

Crazy to think how different history might be if just one battle had turned out differently

Jefferson is an American hero. Him, Franklin, Jackson and Washington should be considered our greatest men, for their own reasons. Though I'd give Jackson the edge on being a better president over Jefferson, but TJ was obviously a bit better of an overall statesman.

>>61132994
True, but history has proven them right regardless.

>>61130863
Federalists are cucks.

>>61130863

>1800
>voting for either of these faggots
>living in the colonies with a bunch of homos in wigs
>not moving to the wild west to kill injuns and Mexicans

Get on my level Reddit

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>>61133932
I agree that failing to take Mexico was the bigger mistake (Id rather be stuck with us as a neighbor than mexico). Still, if you guys had gone all-in and taken Canada, you would have absolute dominion of the great lakes and all the other lakes across Canada to yourself. You would also have our oil.

Canada, in return, would not be put through the humiliation of licking the tits of an obsolete monarch and the country she presides over. On a more personal note, I could buy things off of eBay without paying a 1.4X currency exchange rate.

>>61131557
>>61131568
triggered jefferfags, back to reddit

>>61133917

Theres a whole section on it in the John Ellis book Revolutionary Summer: the birth of american independence

Will see if i can find the exact passage on google books, but would highly recommend picking up a copy if youre interested in the subject

>>61132033
>>61133587
>plebs like this post from this cunt

>>61133737
This

Adams, Hamilton, and the Federalists were based. I'll take my Yankee brethren over Inbred slave owning trash and Frog sympathizers.

If you vote Adams you're a cuck. He's a modern democrat.

>>61134642
Go lick the Queens clit you fucking loyalist.

>>61134441

>moving into Spanish/French/Indian lands
>good idea

Look, I'm of French decent. I get it. WASPs are just strange to me. But Latins are worse. Cruelty just comes easy to us, and I don't understand why. I think it's that shared Roman ancestry that makes us this way. If we're not being totally debauched drunk, and feasting, we're stabbing people, or each other with sharpened metal. It's like some kind of genetic dain bramage. Hispanics have it worse because of the Arab admixture which gives them a particular kind of viciousness unique to them. Then there's the Native Americans who will be fine with you one day, and scalping you the next.

Hell, just look at how the Mexicans treated the Whites they invited to "Tejas" to civilize it. Stabbed them right in the back as easy as taking a morning piss. Whatever issues the Anglos may have, the Latin-Europeans, and their American counterparts are much, much worse.

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Washington 3rd term.

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>>61130863
>not joining the French Foreign Legion/Volunteer regiments
>not fighting for Napoleon, the last true good guy
>not fucking your way across Europe
>not freezing to death next to your recently acquired, Polish best friend

>>61130863
If you pick John Adams you are

1. Jewish
2. A cuck
3. A manlet

NO EXCEPTIONS

>>61131764
>Every thing that he wrote was basically a rehash of Locke's Second Treatise.

This.

>>61134007
>>61133917


Found it

https://books.google.com/books?id=hGn95bAEAbIC&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=revolutionary+summer+jefferson+germanic&source=bl&ots=5UXwUQzt7p&sig=IM6Ho5gNNNewI3KlboW9vE59CBk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwikwrivvK3KAhWLFx4KHRfICfcQ6AEIOTAE#v=onepage&q=revolutionary%20summer%20jefferson%20germanic&f=false

1/2

>>61134507

Heh. eBay is one thing, but Canadian Amazon and Newegg are something else entirely. I feel for your suffering, I visited those sites once to find a gift for a Canadian friend of mine. It was like looking at sadness taken digital form.

>>61134748

>supporting autistic slave owners
>supporting frog sympathizers
>wanting your entire economy based off agriculture
>ever

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>>61134913
fuck, forgot image

1/2

>>61134880
>singlehandedly abolished religion and monarchy throughout Europe forever
>good guy

sup JIDF

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>>61134986
2/2

>>61130863

Jefferson was a nigger lover.

>>61131568
Big deal
The war had been going on for a year already

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>>61134899

>i haven't actually read anything jefferson ever wrote: the post

>>61134986
>>61135028

Jefferson was a crazy cunt for writing that, but he was good in other ways.

The American revolutionaries were closer to being the grandsons of the English Civil War than to Germanic tree-worshippers.

The biggest issue the FFs had with the crown was that they broke the promises they made to the British people back home. No taxing for wars after the fact. Ask for a tax from Parliament before you go to war, or pay for it with the crown's own funds. Don't fight a war then come home with your hand in hand and demand people stick their money into it to pay for your bullshit.

>>61134836
Comparing French people to Hispanics

Hurr Durr idiot

>>61130863
Jeff.

Stupidest continent politically, confirmed. Canada. First amalgamated leader, John MacDonald, Liberal-Conservative Party. Canada then goes on to elect only Liberal, or Conservative, governments, for the rest of her history up 'til now. Murka. Federalists lose out to the Democratic-Republican Party, and America goes on to elect pretty much only Dems and Repubs for the rest of time. Mexico. Revolution. Then PRI for 80 years with a few PANs in there for good measure. What a garbage shit-show, for morons

>>61135304
I've heard that a lot of the justifications for the Revolution were way overblown. Part of the propaganda of the times to get the war going.

The colonists just wanted an excuse to start their own nation. And I'm glad they did.

>>61135548

You've never met French people, then.

French people are notorious for road rage. If Mad Max took place in Louisiana, or France, it would have made the Outback Wasteland look like a spirited game of bumper cars.

Flip off a driver in south Louisiana, and they will fight with you over it. Like 30% of the cars down here have battle damage because we're crazy, and unable to drive without being reckless. Take more than 2 seconds to leave a red light and people will be weaving in and out of traffic to get around you.

I've seen normal, amiable people turn into maniacs behind the wheel.

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>>61131503
I got your reference.....

>>61131670
NEVER BACK DOWN

>>61130904
+1

>>61130863
jeffy boy

>>61135818

Not in the least, Anon. Not in the least. The English Civil War started over less. It took years for the revolution to brew, and Parliament took effort in fucking with the colonists thinking they were some kind of lesser species of Englishmen. Just read William Pitt's addresses to Parliament, and he's the man who started the war that make the taxes necessary that pissed off the colonists in the first place!

>>61135304
>Jefferson was a crazy cunt for writing that, but he was good in other ways.

I just though it was funny, its not even that ridiculous and he wasn't the only anglophobe in america at the time. (weirdly enough)

he was a genius, not to mention he pioneered various agricultural methods we still use today (mostly to do with irrigation and crop rotation) and was the first to push for free public education and founded the library of congress.

And yeah, britain was a dick when it came to war debts

>oh, heres the 7 year war
>ok we repelled the actual threat against the colonies
>William Pitt "hmmm this seems like a good opportunity for expansion, lets borrow shit loads of cash so we can go sack montreal and quebec and louisbourgh"
>"actually fuck it. lets saddle the colonies not only with taxes for that debt but make them pay part of our naval efforts abroad too"

>>61136043
>>61136021

Something from Pitt:

>Resistance to your acts was necessary as it was just; and your vain declarations of the omnipotence of Parliament, and your imperious doctrines of the necessity of submission, will be found equally impotent to convince or to enslave your fellow-subjects in America, who feel tyranny, whether ambitioned by an individual part of the legislature, or the bodies who compose it, is equally intolerable to British subjects...What, though you march form town to town, and from province to province; though you should be able to enforce a temporary and local submission, which I only suppose, not admit—how shall you be able to secure the obedience of the country you leave behind you in your progress, to grasp the dominion of eighteen hundred miles of continent, populous in numbers, possessing valour, liberty, and resistance? This resistance to your arbitrary system of taxation might have been foreseen: it was obvious, from the nature of things and of mankind; and, above all, from the Whiggish spirit flourishing in that country. The spirit which now resists your taxation in America, is the same which formerly opposed loans, benevolences, and ship-money, in England: the same spirit which called all England on its legs, and by the Bill of Rights vindicated the English constitution: the same spirit which established the great, fundamental, essential maxim of your liberties, that no subject of England shall be taxed but by his own consent. This glorious spirit of Whiggism animates three millions in America; who prefer poverty with liberty to gilded chains and sordid affluence; and who will die in defence of their rights as men, as freemen.

Speech in the House of Lords (20 January, 1775).

Pitt's behavior was the driving cause behind the revolution, yet he was our most staunch supporter in Britain. He defended us to his death bed.

>>61131296

Jefferson couldn't free his slaves because he was in debt his whole life.

Adams ended up just agreeing with Jefferson on everything so Jefferson.

Would still take him over Jefferson to be honest family

>The Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations.

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnadams148182.html#YWV7UQjR3Frt2b1g.99

>>61136132
Thats a great pitt quote

He was great, one of the only brits who actually wanted to give the colonies seats in parliament
>which neither king george, parliament, or the massachusetts bay colony would agree to

If he had taken a different approach with the 7 years war (and the following taxes) and been able to work with parliament and (somehow) gotten the king on his side, we would possibly still be a colony right now

Maybe not though, as "the cause" had already been slowly spreading among the colonies by the time he began to make serious considerations towards colonial representation in parliament

>>61134986
Tippity toppest kek, thanks

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>>61130863
HAMILTON
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Jefferson, easily

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>>61136764
>after /pol/
>federalist scum who wanted to overthrow the government and basically start a new british empire

no

well....maybe. some of /pol/ definitely

>>61135859
I absolutely have met French people, my girlfriend and her family are French American, and they are the calmest most well behaved people I've ever known. I've also employed mestizo Hispanics to work on my property and they could t be more different from European French people.

>>61137127
It is the destiny of the anglo man to rule the world

>>61131296
>hated slavery but owned/fucked slaves
There's no proof he ever did have sex with any of his slaves. The genetic evidence in present generations can not distinguish him from other close male relatives with the same Y chromosomes.

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>>61134928
Well, at least we have new leadership to turn things around.

Oh wait.

>>61130863
John Adams was the 2nd president of the United States

>The major accomplishment of his presidency was a peaceful resolution of the conflict in the face of Hamilton's opposition.
>Due to his strong posture on defense, Adams is "often called the father of the American Navy".
>He was the first U.S. president to reside in the executive mansion, now known as the White House

>>61137211
Kek.

Anglos can't even rule their own cities.

The truth is while some Anglos are smart, they are much too passive and beta to ever be real leaders.

>>61137412
Then why did your ancestors immigrate to an anglo country?

>>61136629

There likely would have been a later, more peaceful separation. As with Canada, and Australia. But somewhat different for us. It's just the caliber of people that came to America as opposed to the other colonies. America wasn't a place people came to necessarily for wealth. Yes, you could find it here, but it was more of a religious thing. You could read your bible here in peace, and that's what a lot of colonists wanted; freedom to seek their own path in life. Away from the tribulations of 17th, and 18th century Europe's fragmenting social disarray.

>>61137127
>an american empire
>bad

>>61137510
My ancestors helped build this country as they've been living here for three centuries. How about yours?

>>61137649
came over on the mayflower

>>61137412
>they are much too passive and beta to ever be real leaders

didn't always used to be like this

>"To think of these stars that you see overhead at night, these vast worlds which we can never reach. I would annex the planets if I could; I often think of that. It makes me sad to see them so clear and yet so far." t. Cecil Rhodes

>>61137334
>There's no proof he ever did have sex with any of his slaves

well, there was one affair with a mulatto house servant (not technically a slave) that was originally used as a smear campaign during his run from presidency that was more or less confirmed to be accurate (by jefferson himself later in his life)

but its not like he was out fucking field hands and shit, and there were only a handful of founders (GW, Adams, Madison) that didn't have something on the side

Burr was notorious for fucking married chicks

Franklin would fuck anything that moved and had a french accent

It still wasn't all that big a deal to be a playboy back then

>>61137171

What kind of French American? Because Acadians will be your best friends until you piss them off, and then the knives and shotguns come out, or just their fists. Mestizo Hispanics are as amiable as any other Latin group until you piss them off as well, and once again the knives come out.

You're just seeing the good side. You've never had to deal with that Latin hot blooded behavior.

John Adams.

>>61131296
You shouldn't be so hard on Jefferson. If if he didn't fuck your great great great grandma you wouldn't exist.

>>61137729
>someone by the name of um Cecil Rhodes
Yes Anna is that stupid

0:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL6oV7jTNoc

>tfw anti-federalists were wiped out
Are republicans the next anti-federalists

Everyone here should watch the John Adams HBO miniseries. 10/10

>>61137944
>>tfw anti-federalists were wiped out
ironically so were Federalists

>>61137388
>that last one
lol, adams got the shit end of the stick
he basically showed up to move into the whitehouse (which had no furniture and almost nothing else in DC was finished) and then had to move out like 3 months later

His wife was super pissed about it

>John Adams spent most of his one term as President in Philadelphia. He moved to the White House on Saturday, November 1, 1800. The following Tuesday he lost the Presidential election to Thomas Jefferson. President John Adams.

Daily reminder that Jefferson raped his slaves and bred outside his race Sally Hemming's existence proved he was weak.

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>>61137693
My ancestors have lived in America and built it thousands of years ago before your ancestors.

You stole my people's land white male scum.

>>61131296

Implying slave ownership is pejorative

anyone got some good books on the founding daddies then

i have some books on the revolutionary war itself but everything after that it's just my liberal school indoctrination

>>61138170
>You stole
Who says you ever owned it?

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>>61130863
What if I want:
>rule by the wealthy class
>weak federal gov. - strong state gov
>emphasis on space travel and terraforming
>strict interpretation of the constitution
>russian-japanese alliance

who do i vote for?

>>61138245
I DID.

>>61138170
t. 1/128th Cherokee

>>61138170

Even if that was the case, you were weak and you lost. There is a reason the whites own the earth.

>>61138281
That's nice
Why would anyone else care?

>>61137693
Ok, well we have that in common.

But you must admit that Anglos don't have the same edge as the German, Irish, Scottish, etc. Americans that came over a little later. It was like those tribes had to fight to be accepted into the mainstream and now that they are, they seem to really value it, perhaps more than Anglos.

I mean look at Fox News every night - 3 Irish people - Megyn Kelly, O'Reilly, and Hannity, always giving shit to the liberals. Or the German Trump or Limbaugh. And then there is Anglo Jeb, always do lukewarm.....something happened where Anglos lost their goddamn edge.

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>>61130863
>ever voting for a federalist

>>61137526

Its true

But the high taxation, and then eventually the martyrdom of Joseph Warren at bunker hill just made "the cause" spread across the country like cancer

Americans always hate someone telling them what to do, its still true to this day (other than bootlickers and democraps)

Pitt, Franklin, Adams, and plenty of others seemed to know even during the 7 year war that a separation from england would be inevitable.

We're just really lucky that Howe was also on our side in some way, otherwise the revolution could have been thwarted (at least temporarily) in New York right when the British got there.

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>>61138319
And there is also a reason white people are willing giving up there countries to Muslims, Blacks and Hispanics.

They are too altruistic and it is the down fall of the white race.

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>>61138379
We will be back

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>>61138497
its not over yet

>>61133737
Why, to have another central bank?

>>61138446

Well, I can't argue with you there. But yes, it was inevitable. The character of the American colonists was just one that was not going to abide the kind of government that 19th Century Britain evolved into. Empire destroyed everything the British Civil War, and the subsequent Bill of Rights sought to create. Pitt unleashed a monster, but at least he had the wherewithal to know that he'd made a terrible mistake.

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>>61138575
Good luck.

>>61138170
Your ancestors stole it from other, weaker tribes, and then in turn, had it stolen from the strongest tribe of them all.

Don't sell me on the noble savage bullshit. I know the history of natives. It was nonstop war. You're free to go live in a teepee anytime you want Cheif Morningwood

Gonna have to go with my great-great-great-great(etc)-grandpappy, Mr. Adams.

>>61131296
>People who think like this actually exist

Tzar.

>>61138497
true

>>61138575
also true

Whites have done this before, gotten soft and comfortable

But once they are pushed too far they push back

hard

>>61138646
Based

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>>61130904
hyperkek, this over and over

>>61138379

I like seeing that the Irish, and the Scots can fully embrace what makes this nation so great. But then again, it's the Scots that had the kind of thinking that shook Britain to it's 17th century line of thinking, even if it was destroyed by Imperialism. The Irish just straight up fucking hate the English. It's sad that my people tend to flock to monarchist sentimentality. Our politics are downright fucked. Despite the big Republican show we put on, we're Democrats deep down.

Only a few can see the larger picture. The rest are hopeless, amiable drunks that think that such considerations are for faggots.

At least we're vicious fighters when it's necessary. Though we're only here because we didn't want to swear allegiance to a certain crown, and not no crowns at all, unlike the Anglo-Americans.

Germans are just machines that have taken human form. Who knows what they really desire politically as long as they can continue to function towards their prime directive. Which apparently is "Work."

>>61138730

>Chief Morningwood

That's being too kind.

He's more likely "Brave Shitting Bear"

>>61132352
DUDE SLAVES

>>61130863
Can't. Had to own property to vote in 1800.

If you were a citizen and owned property you could vote, even if you were a nigger or redskinned.

Adams you unamerican fucks
god King Hamilton wanted neither in but he knew that Adams was going to be far less damaging than Jefferson was and he was right.
Only demoshits and ignorant people like Jefferson
Read into him and you will see he's 100% modern day libshit material
>>61138269
>Alliance with the reds
Commie

Must say that while Jefferson's vision had strong romantic appeal, Madison's was by far the bigger contributor to building the U.S. into a megapower.

>>61139392
*Adams, not Madison.

>>61130863
I don't, as a good Royalist I support King George.

>>61139213
>modern day libshit material
Which only emerged as a result of 20th century Marxist academic movements such as the Frankfurt school and postmodernism.

>>61130863
JJ

>>61138578

Lol

>>61139211

Cool.

>>61130904
this guy gets it

>>61133952
>be jefferson
>write the motherfucking declaration of independence, unlike hamilton

>>61131296

If Jefferson was alive in the 1860s, he would have sided with the CSA

>>61130863
Jefferson obviously. The Louisiana Purchase was pretty fucking important.

>>61130863
King George I

>>61139083

>this level of cuck

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>>61143546
>2016
>being a loyalist faggot

>>61130863
Jefferson all the way