Red pill me on the Druids please, what happened to them, do they still exist, were they all powerful?
Are they the illuminati?
They were a pervasive cult of nutjobs like many the Romans dealt with by killing them when they got uppity. Then Christians just annihilated them in the ensuing centuries. They are a primitive faith that engages in furry-ism and worshiping rocks.
They were Celtic priests who pissed off the Romans by whipping the locals up in religious frenzy and inciting rebellion. They got BTFO by the Romans.
Then they whipped up a religious frenzy in the local Welsh sheep fuckers against Christians, and the Christians BTFO'd them for good.
No one knows who they were, or what they were doing... but their legacy remains... hewn into the living rocks... of STONE HENGE
WHERE THE DEMONS DWELL WHERE THE BANSHEES LIVE AND THEY DO LIVE WELL
WHERE A MAN IS A MAN AND THE CHILDREN DANCE TO THE PIPES OF PAN
>tfw the wow you knew is dead
What he means is no American can say shit like "IM PURELY DESCENDED FROM VIKINGS" because you aren't brah. If you are a white American you are a European mutt.
And if you have heritage from all over Europe, then you don't really have a specific set of ethnic gods to follow, so you are LARPing.
The Romans didn't finish them off. The Romans were more than happy to just kill them as they ran head first into their BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL
Once Britain began being Christianized, the local kings and stuff killed them off for good because not only did they refuse to convert but they constantly stirred the pot.
So no, the Romans didn't finish them off. Other British people did.
most jews are in fact the jews of old http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC18733/
The only people who claim otherwise are people who want you to follow the jew religion of Christianity, and ignore the fact that it was written by and about jews.
If you actually believe in the religion then it isn't LARPing. Most Christians I know actually believe in Jesus so they aren't play-acting about it. I'm agnostic, so I don't give a rats ass either way but your question is a straw man.
Most pagans I hear from don't believe in the gods, they just want to pretend to be vikings because of muh white nationalism or some shit. And the reason i know this is true is because non-nationalist whites don't even bother with paganism. They either are Christian or atheist usually.
If you really believe Odin is up there in the clouds, then I guess thats not LARPing, I'd love to hear some proof on that one.
Hey did you ever hear the joke about a Druid, a Mason and a Jesuit who meet at a conference in Yalta?
The original inhabitants of the Isles have nothing to do with anything we're speaking of.
Proving the existence of gods has nothing to do with your ignorance of pretty much everything. The existence of Woden, for example, has nothing to do with your laughably ignorant idea that Woden and Odin are separate deities.
>b-but their names are totally different
they had that ol' pesky tradition of killing the leaders every set number of years (30?)
I'm sure local power players didn't much like this tradition
>thinking that all white americans got here in 1492 and not over the last 500 years in varying levels
>Monotheism isn't descended from a polytheistic religion where one god's followers went crazy and started trying to (poorly) censor references to other gods
Seriously, go to the wikipedia page for Yahweh.
>Englishman has a Roman ancestor
>this invalidates his honoring Germanic gods
Ok. That makes complete sense.
On your faggot ramblings regarding your lack of knowledge of theology, please explain the theoretical process you envision that splits gods into multiple, new divinities when their peoples drift apart and their languages differentiate.
"Hurr I don't believe in gods and was just pretending to be a retarded faggot" isn't an answer. Think of it as an intellectual exercise.
Unless your parents were first generation immigrants, you are not pure European ethnic. Assimilation and intermarriage began in the 1800s between English, Germans, Scots.
Catholic immigrants such as Italians, Hungarians and Irish usually intermarried by the second generation. Soon they intermarried with Protestants after America became secularized. The only pure European American ethnics I know of are guido Italians (and that's nothing to brag about)
Lol does it really matter? You still have not proven the existence of Odin or Zeus or whatever LARPing faggotry you are into nowadays.
I just said it is stupid for Americans to be pagan when most are mutts, and this is undeniably true. If you are a pure Swede, it makes more sense to be a Norse pagan (even though I think it is silly because no one believes in it) If you are a mixture of ethnics why the hell do you just pick one to follow? Because they are your favorite gods on Age of Mythology? That's just plain dumb
there's a ton of pure mixes, you are just using anecdotal examples
but hey, I guess since you know these particular people you must be right
you're talking about a country the size of europe, and trying to tell me that there aren't entire country sized regions of people as racially pure as euros would be. I mean I get it you are now trying to defend your point with further insignificance and adding parameters to your argument but come on
Iron Age European specialist here.
I'll tell you all about the Druids
>There isn't much proof that they existed
Druids are purely known from the literature, classical and then Welsh/Irish medieval. There is no archaeological evidence that they existed besides one grave found with physician's tools.
The current theory in archaeology is that Druid was a catch-all term for the priest class of Iron Age "Celtic" society. The classical sources often contradict themselves, and there were probably many different professions that were lumped into the term "Druid".
Cicero was friend's with one Druid, whom he names, from Gaul.
Moreover, even though "Druids" can be attested to from the Romans to the middle ages, what was a Druid to the Romans could have been much different than what was a Druid to the Irish monks.
>Druids were still around after the Christianization of Ireland and England
Druids were known to the Irish monks, and continued to be "a thing" after Christianization. Contrary to popular belief, Christianization was very slow in Europe and Paganism and Christianity existed for a very long time side by side before merging into folk Christianity.
>The Irish monastery system was probably based off of some form of Druidry
Just about every early Irish monastery in the British Isles has ritualistic pre-Christian activity before the monasteries were erected.
>Druids probably became monks
What happened to the Druids is that they became monks. The concept of an order of men who live outside the boundaries of the world to devout themselves to God and knowledge is probably "Druidic" in origin.
A "pure Swede" (or "pure German," or "pure Irish," or "pure Lithuanian," etc.) is literally descended from native European hunters, Middle Eastern farmers and Indo-Europeans that entered Europe in the last several thousand years. By your rationale, they never had any right to honor Indo-European gods in the first place.
What a completely circular form of antitheist faggotry.
>dey're not pure, dey're larping
>I know nothing of history or ethnogenesis
You realize the gods developed around those specific peoples? Norse worshipped Odin, Romans worshipped Jupiter, etc. etc. It wasn't like the Irish were worshipping Greek gods or anything. If anything those specific paganisms developed from older religions (Which I guess then begs the question why you would not want to go back to the even older religions, aren't they more authentically white since they came first?)
You still haven't proved Odin's existence.
Again, I don't have to "prove" the existence of any deity. It's completely irrelevant to you being an ignorant imbecile.
Are you honestly unaware that the Indo-European religions of Europe, including their gods, descend from Proto-Indo-European religion? CAN you be this ignorant? I honestly find it hard to believe.
My argument was that it does not make since for an ethnically mixed people (which most americans are) to worship a specific paganism built for say the Norse for instance.
Yeah I'm sure if you go into rural Wisconsin you find some "pure" Germans, since a lot moved to that area. But most Americans have by now been easily assimilated.
What is your point? We all agree that there is a such thing as a German, Norwegian, Italian, etc.? Sure they may have been "mixed" in a sense, but each mix is unique in its own right.
Hell if you are going to make that argument the whole world is mixed. That does not justify worshipping Odin specifically. I'm still waiting to hear why you believe in Odin, you have not answered that yet, you just keep responding by saying that everyone is mixed. But Americans are MORE MIXED. An American of Hungarian, Norwegian, Italian, Spanish, and German ancestry is going to be more mixed than people who have lived in Norway the past 1000 years. That's all there is to it.
I'll continue some more
>Druids and stonehenge
The evidence for Druids comes from both classical and medieval sources, and are much, much later than monuments such as stonehenge, and other stone circles, henges, etc, which are probably all of neolithic/bronze age in origin. The monuments constructed during the Druid's time would have been hillforts (either natural or manmade earthworks of various sizes), oppida (urban settlements, sometimes fortified by earthwork or stone walls), brochs (stone towers that resemble medieval towers, found primarily in Scotland), wooden and stone temples, and monuments such as causeways that would have both ritualistic and practical purposes.
There is actually scant evidence of Iron Age activity at pre-Iron Age stone circles/megaliths/henges. That's not to say that they weren't active at these monuments - just they left no physical trace. It should be noted that the Romans did not associate Druids with stone circles or henges. It should also be noted that the Roman sources never mention Stonehenge, despite there being archaeological activity from the Romans around it.
>Druids post medieval
The last mention of Druids by name comes from Welsh mythology in the 12th century. Merlin is probably a Druid, and Chaucer alludes to characters such as Druids - but we go a full 400 years before Druids are mentioned by name again, and that's after the Greco-Roman texts are rediscovered.
Mostly have no clue what a Druid is because we don't have a clue what a Druid is. It should be said that in both Classical and medieval sources, a "Druid" was someone of specific distinction. They had to train for 18-20 years before receiving the title of Druid. Modern Druids are mostly Celtic polytheists who do not really understand the history of the word.
Also, here's some recommended reading:
or Scotland or parts of Wales
and it wasn't like they wiped out the natives in the bits they did conquer either - they either made agreements with local tribes or assimilated some of them into Roman Britian... which occasionally went wrong when mad bitches like Boudica got pissed off and burned down entire Roman Cities....
Druids/Pagans just died out when Christianity took over... Christmas is timed in December to overlap with the winter solstice celebrations... the pagans were used to celebrating then they just changed what they celebrated
Shut the fuck up. I, as a white person, should have the option of worshiping the gods of my ancestors, instead of kneeling every Sunday for some long-dead Jew.
>I have no point
>prove Odin exists
So we're done? You still haven't explained your theological model in which gods split into new and different gods because of human language change, you just keep saying "Americans and mixed and don't try to explain history or genetics or language to me, but 'justify' why a mixed American should be able to 'worship' Odin because I believe a mixed Norwegian can because of reasons that I can't get into right now but you're mixed so gods are stupid and did I mention I'm a faggot?"
>I don't believe in gods
>but it's well-established that if they existed, they would generate new and different gods when peoples' languages changed
>because gods don't exist, but that's how they would work if they did
It literally doesn't matter, because they were recently BTFO by three unarmed U.S. cavalry officers.
Well, nowadays you don't see people claiming they are sons of Odin, however, back in the Anglo-Saxon days that happened quite a bit. Various kings would say that they were descendants of this or that god, and then their descendant would do the same. The main reason that kind of thing doesn't happen much anymore is because a majority of people are monotheists whose God never had human offspring.
Former Archbishop of Canterbury participating in a Druid ceremony (Of course he was. he had an islamic dildo up his bum that day too)
They just measured and respected nature, keeping track of the days of the year so the community could balance Spring/summer farming with autumn/winter feasting, drinking and fucking and not starve to death in between.
It actually began much earlier. My 10th great-grandfather came here in 1634 on the Winthrop fleet (the next batch of ships after the Mayflower) with a Dutch wife. He was largely raised in the Hague as his father was an English Dissenter and part of the plot against Elizabeth I.
I don't know why I told you this, because you're dumb.
They love stone circles like Stonehenge buty didn't build them. An earlier culture did
Here's our queen being initiated by druids
Establishment druidry continues
So the entirety of support for your various ignorant positions, from "Woden and Odin are, like, totally different" to "mixed Europeans are MOAR PURE than mixed Americans because of reasons" is literally "you believe in a god and gods are dumb?"
And your reason for making this a thing is "you're beating my ass all over the place, so obviously you're dumb?"
A little bit wicker man isn't it. Look how many people there are there
>Just about every early Irish monastery in the British Isles has ritualistic pre-Christian activity before the monasteries were erected.
What about the monastery on the isle of Mull or on Athelnay?
let it go man, i cannot be fucked with another interesting thread going down the shitter with people arguing about fucking Odin
here have a picture of Winston Churchil being a druid
United Ancient Order of Druids. Though I think theyre more of a lodge playing at druidry
United Order of Ancient Druids
Great response, but I never said Zeus and Odin were the same, so pretty pointless.
Will you concede that Tiw and Zeus, despite being from "different ethnics," as you might call it, both descend from Dyeus Pater, in a cultural/linguistic (not genealogical) sense?
Actually, if you live in europe, no matter where, or you are a white in the USA, most likely you descend from european pagans. The only difference among european ethnicities is the amount of mixing with other human groups, but we all descend from literally the same people.
It is a simple and obvious concept, but most people fail to realize it.
Actually, Romans never wiped out an entire ethnicity, except maybe the Cantabrii in Spain.
And Romans were europeans too anyways.
establishment figures suspected of occult and illuminated shennanigans participating in druid or 'druid' activities.
Heres an order of druids in the old kent road.
Once home to many cheeky chirpy cockneys, and my own family. Now, Mordor.
this thread is about druids, can you not just fucking not just for once odinfags?
London, March 20, 1961–A member of the Ancient Order of Druids society marks the vernal equinox with a horn blast near the Tower of London.
they do this every year
To bring the discussion a bit back towards the board's nominal purpose, I find it pretty interesting that all of the fraternal-type druid orders, while having very little to do, spiritually-speaking, with native pre-Christian (or even post-Christian) insular Celtic religions, were very definitely romantic and often very nationalist, though not necessarily in the manner most use the word today. Similar movements would pop up in Germany and across the continent for decades. They were (or seem, in hindsight) very soft-edged, compared to today's nationalisms, but perhaps that's because their governments of the time were far stronger and their people less threatened by things like massive immigration. Just some thoughts.
Welsh 'druids' are insufferable cunts
The arch druid of cumbria is a nice chap
Some of the people in the west country calling themselves druids are nutcases
A sword is held as members of The Druid Order walk in procession towards Tower Hill to celebrate the Spring Equinox on March 20
Ive got lots of this sort of thing, shall i carry on dumping them?
The atheist started it. Give him a smack if you're going to police the thread. If you want me to make it more druidy, what do you think about the insular Germanic phenomena of drycraeft? Independent or (linguistic, at least) borrowing of the "drui/dryw" Celtic root?
That was largely my point.
Keep dropping. Why are the Welsh druids in particular such insufferable cunts? :)
You had said before that one of the settlements the druids (or more generally the ancient celts) would inhabit was the "oppida". As both a History and Latin nerd, i feel obliged to say that oppida were Roman colonial towns built in a grid-like pattern similarly to military camps. The purpose of such places were to spread the Roman sphere of influence, to increase the amount of Roman citizens on the island, and to act as a sort of luxury destination for the rich senators back at home (examples include the town Bath and the various country estates). Btw, did you know of any connections between the as you would say "shadowy" druidic traditions and the more well known traditional Irish faith, which was polytheistic and had depth somewhat comparable to our understanding of the Nordic Paganism (ex. Diarmuid)?
>The monuments constructed during the Druid's time would have been hillforts (either natural or manmade earthworks of various sizes), oppida (urban settlements, sometimes fortified by earthwork or stone walls), brochs (stone towers that resemble medieval towers, found primarily in Scotland), wooden and stone temples, and monuments such as causeways that would have both ritualistic and practical purposes.
I meant shadowy insofar as historians have few primary sources about their beliefs, organization, etc.
Humans evolved from three of four hominids. (the "out of africa" theory is not correct, and day after day there are more evidences proving it)
Mixing between them and evolution of different isolated groups resulted on what we had on the bronce age, which later resulted on what we all know.
So, "race" obviously exists, but it is a fuzzy term.
not policing it just sick of the same conversation-go-round
Welsh people generally can be utter cunts. But the ones that are pretending to be druids tend to be celtic nationalists without a fucking clue who pretend that the only druid can be a welsh druid and the all the celts in england were completely exterminated giving no blodline connection to any english person to their own celtic heritage.
Despite places in the uk having dna traced back 15000 years to people literally found dead in caves.
Not to piss on peoples religions but i tend to find it extremely play-acty. British druidry in general is drama central
there was an interesting news item about a druid found dead in a boat off the coast of cornwall about 10 years ago that ive just remembered, ill have to go and look into that.
Also they pretend that getting beaten by the english centuries ago is omg like still a triggering event, and equate the coming of christianity with the holocaust, despite the fact that their relatives and forebears right up until they started roleplaying were all deeply christian and the loss of such is truly tragic for wales.
And thye, like wiccans would snipe at christianity but ignore completely like it doesnt exist, islam.
Also im a page admin for a page with an interest in stuff like this and get untold grief from petty welsh cunts in the main
People can do what they want and i respect them if they say their druids or whatever, but it can strike me as excessively faggoty and role-playlike
Having said that, if the queen wants to play dress up and join in there must be something going on with the establishment and a very old native religion.
Do you mean Iona?
If you mean Iona, then yes. The Abby there has a well where swords were deposited over a span of well over a thousand years (bronze age and iron age swords), suggesting ritualistic activity. There is also a healing spring on top of a hill there where an iron spear point was found.
Not sure, let me check.
Seems like not much study has been done given the location of it (it's called an island since it's the middle of a swamp). That would have definitely been a focal point for ritual activity.
>IA defensive ditch
Good place for a defense, I'm wondering if there is more to this. According to wikipedia, the Anglo-Saxons already knew it as a place of importance before Alfred founded the monastery there.
>Some bronze age palstaves
Could have been deposits from the bronze age.
I'd say given it's location and the fact the Anglo-Saxons knew about it before it became important in their time suggests there was ritual activity there before Christianity. Needs more evidence though.
Druids in London
They pray for an end to street signs in the captcha
That's not me you're quoting.
I believe that the attested Irish religion and druids were rather obviously closely intertwined. Recently (relatively speaking), there's been a tendency to think of "druidism" or druidry or whatever one wishes to call it as a somehow separate religion of its own, which I find rather odd, and it leads to odd things like "druid orders" of Wiccans, or "theistic Buddhists" or whatever. Druids were, in Ireland, at least, priests, historians, teachers, wizards, etc. They were intimately connected to Gaelic polytheism, and after large-scale Christianization, still held important legal status (if somewhat diminished and inferior, on paper, to Christian priests).
Wow. Today I learned that Welsh druids are cunts.
Mull, like Iona, was a monastery set up by monks under either Columba or Aidan in the island cluster west of Scotland, i'm pretty sure there were few inhabitants in the area due to the geography of the area. There was an episode or two of Time Team dedicated to Mull, wherein they found evidence of a monastery but little else (if im remembering it correctly). Could you speak to the cultural sites that would be located in areas like Mull or Iona, or respond to the Time Team episode?
People in the UK still like a good wickerman/greenman shindig.
Theres ongoing Jack in the green parades, even in London
For the anglo-saxon interested we have Hoodening and wassailing. Mast beasts and other horse related things such as 'obby osses have their parralel with welsh mari llywds.
Mummers can range from comic to creepy. Theres fire festivals and all sorts. You usually only hear about crazy european ones. England seems to get presented as having been swept clean of this stuff
the scottish have the burry man, whos a bit like a prickly green man
theres sacred wells that have had people putting devotional shit in them for thousands of years. theyve dug u witch pits in cornwall that were used from about 1500 right up to the 70s.
theres loads going on really.
If any one wants pics ive got a laptop full
>Theres ongoing Jack in the green parades, even in London
Practical question: are the non-English majority of London taking part in this? Do you think they'll continue it as the white British population declines?
if anyones interested, not that it is druid related, but this was found in Star Carr , a mesolithic site in North Yorkshire
itll all blow away like dust. Im from London and untill about two years ago i didnt know anything about any of it. My dads from deptford, i lived there for a bit, i had no idea there was a green man parade.
Its less low key now the interent is here which is good. But i cant see mr mohammed or mrs okinjewe getting involved
Unless maybe it gets incorporated into larger festivals, like a the romans used to do with gods and occasions they liked. (st georges day, chinese new year and diwali make a fairly good mashup in primary schools)
Or it becomes popular with hipsters. If a revival of morris can happen, then anything is possible.
Maybe itll live on in a different way with our dispora? Who knew anything about the philadelphia mummers, or us morris dancing?
I specifically run my page with a view to keeping interest in it, or even letting people know it even exists.
Another pic from Star Carr.
The majority of Wiccans at least do believe in the Gods, both as gestalt-entities that emerge from nature and as archetypes we recognize in everything. Not sure what you'd consider proof though.