>>61115066 The righteous who die today go straight to heaven, they don't go to paradise anymore Christ opened heaven to all those in paradise during the resurrection. The unrighteous dead will remain in Hades until the final judgement, then they, along with the unrighteous living will be sent to Gehenna, or "hell", which is the final resting place of unrighteous souls.
>>61115889 The last judgement judges the living and the dead.
>>61115066 Ah, this stuff delights me! I get no small entertainment from the fruits of a lifetime of imbalanced focus on a theoretical cosmogeny presented as unimpeachable fact, coupled with an upbringing of conditional love an inexpressible sexual frustration.
The pure truth is that every human being has a subjective life experience, and no two peope who are absolutely positive that they have the one correct truth of the universe have the exact same belief.
Not that anything I say could convince you that you might be wrong, of course. These unfalsifiable theories have plenty of logical loops to throw up to dismiss any evidence conflicting with your core beliefs.
>>61116375 >The last judgement judges the living and the dead.
Yes, but nothing is final until the final judgment. I believe some souls may be able to repent after death but before the final judgment. In particular, apostate Christians. (Though I don't think unbaptized people will be able to do so.)
>>61116373 Nah from scientists wish I had the article to give you but I literally never bookmark shit after I read it but the tldr is they still don't have a clue if it exists or not. Personally I think it does exist but whether its tied to consciousness or not idk
>>61116257 >Demons are angels that fell into opposition to God. Like humans, they were made good, but turned bad. How can something "made good" by God turn bad? This implies that God is not omnipotent.
>>61116549 Couple of things. Jesus' priesthood is eternal, and the new heaven and new earth occur at the beginning of the thousand years, not the end. It's confusing because John follows the story of satan's end, and then comes back to the New Jerusalem descending.
Hell is the absence of God. Not God microwaving people for amusement. Hell is locked from the inside. God made sin have consequences, and hellions ignore those consequences, and yet God still is kind both to saved and unsaved.
>>61116341 do insects have free will why would god make insects that do nothing where do insect souls go when they die >>61116257 >we fucked it up no, allegedly one dumb cunt fucked it up and jesus is dead now if we're saved through accepting him then why not just instantly ascend all the believers >>61116263 impossible by definition >>61116343 i thought demons were a separate entity there was satan, the fallen angel other fallen angels that went with him and some lovecraftian embodiment of evil called demons >>61116597 ayyy
>>61115066 I can't believe people still believe this shit. Not only is it a ludicrous concept to begin with, but all the events in these religions happened a long-ass time ago in the middle east, and nothing has happened since. Enough crazy shit to fill several books, then a hard line and nothing? Nigger, please. If any of those supernatural things are true, then the only reason I can think of for it to not happen anymore is that god is dead.
>>61116739 The soul doesnt exist because conciousness,personality,everything that makes you a person is biological.A tumor can turn you from a loving father to a rampageing murderer by pressing the wrong nuclei. I can make you unable to remember new things with a scapel if you would let me demonstrate. >>61116654 Sounds like horseshit,hope you find it so I can point you the fallacies.
>>61115066 no. even in the bible its not heaven or hell. its
heaven a cult like country club that turns out to be a communist work camp. think jones town. its not infinite it is described in units of measure we no longer use cubits but it is small
a unnamed place that exist on the other side of the gulf where every one who doesnt get into heaven goes as long as they do not get "blotted out" aka suffer the second death the death of the soul . only god can execute some ones soul
hell is typically referenced by people who dont know hell was made up by the church when illiteracy was predominate to con people out of money. they reference the same couple of lines that in 1 case is actually referring to a burning trash pit outside of a city where they threw dead bodies (not jews another group) not a ethereal place
pre christianity jews didnt even believe in a after life. all souls go to sheol. christians some times call that the sea of souls but the terms meaning may have been lost in the ages. the god of the bible could be seen as a god of the living and souls are a christian fabrication. evil spirits may not have ever been human
>>61115849 Not every good person is a saint, so this graphic says that unless you are literally a saint, you go to hell. You can be as devout as the sun is hot and you can follow the word of the bible perfectly, but if you're not a saint, you're fucked.
>>61116710 >where do unbaptized infants go if they die? Unbaptized infants go to heaven, because they are incapable of sinning.
>if hell why is God so cruel? I'm Orthodox, so from that standpoint: Hell is the all-consuming fire of God's love as experienced by a person who hates God. Someone who loves God and has thereby become "fire" himself will experience it as bliss.
>If heaven why are they so lucky to attain salvation with no change of condemnation. There is always a chance of falling away, although not in eternity, where movement is impossible. This lifetime exists to prepare to be with God. Those who don't do so will not have an enjoyable experience.
>>61116792 >and some lovecraftian embodiment of evil called demons
I believe you are referring to the evil spirits, the remainder of the Nephilim, chained up right now. The Nephilim were hybrid human/angels, great men of renown, and the source of many of our current hero stories like Heracles, etc.
I do not believe there is any salvation for those creatures; their end will likely be in the Lake of Fire, along with their fathers, the fallen angels.
>>61116969 The soul is different from consciousness. The biological experience of consciousness is the soul being connected to the body. When that connection is severed, the body and soul are separated. Also known as death.
>>61116926 >And yet with God, all things are possible. Except adults with fucking intelligence. People that believe in ANYTHING related to abrahamic religion are literally retarded. You cannot be anything else. You can post all the quotes you want from Heisenberg too. He was a fucking moron who specialized in one autistic field.
When we die, the matter that makes up our bodies eventually decomposes and becomes part of the Earth again, which is where we came from to begin with since matter and energy are finite.
As for our consciousness and "soul", who knows. Perhaps there are still things beyond our understanding, on the dimensions of existence that even our best scientists still don't fully understand or fully proven, in which the electrical pattern of our brains can continue to exist in some form.
>>61116867 The events of the Old Testament happened thousands and thousands of years before Christ, and many of them were figurative, not literal. Then the events of Christ's life happened.
It is retarded to assume that "hurr something else should have happened by now." What the fuck is a year to God? What is a century? The Second Coming could come tomorrow or it could come 10,000 years from now, or even longer.
You have this conception that our current era is so special, that we're so much better than everyone else, that we're the end all be all of society's evolution and that "God better appear now or we'll all lose faith!" Despite our achievements, we are still as fickle and insignificant to God as the Bronze Age goat herders were 4,000 years ago.
And perhaps the reason God has not chosen to reveal himself again is because he looks around and sees everyone abandoning their faith because they don't see enough results yet. You're just like the fatasses that join a gym on New Year's and then quit a month later because they haven't lost 50 pounds and aren't benching 350 yet.
>>61115066 If i die and there is no afterlife, nothing will happen. If I die and i believe in nothing and there is an afterlife I will go to hell. If I die and believe in right something I can go to heaven. Regardless I'm to busy with life to worry what happens when i die. I'll worry about the afterlife if it exist. And if the Christian god exist i suppose I'll repent. If the muslim god exist i'll gladly burn in hell, and if its some alien space shit that we dont understand, i'll just roll with it.
>>61117127 >My only proof of the existance of the soul is the opinions of inbreed sandniggers of the past t.American underclass >>61117140 >the biological experience of consciousness is the soul being connected to the body No,conciousness is biological,this is a fact. >. When that connection is severed, the body and soul are separated. Also known as death. No,when central nervous system cells die of lack of nourishment or apoptosis that's called death.
>>61117012 Jesus said, be holy as He is holy. If you do not become as holy as Jesus, or a Saint, you cannot go into God's presence. That is merciful—an unholy person would be burnt up and destroyed by that kind of holiness.
That is why we experience a foretaste of these things after death, but before the last judgment. God wants us to be with Him, and once we are out of the body, He will burn up all the evil in us so we can go to heaven in the end.
But it won't be very pleasant. That is why we should work to become holy in this life, rather than in the next.
>>61117444 Assuming you're not trolling, there's no evidence of the God that the bible teaches.
There may be a presence beyond our ability to know that influenced our development. There may be a civilization or beings that visited long ago that people mistook as gods. But all of the bible based around it is likely fiction.
So no, "God" doesn't know, because he/it could very likely be an entity that no longer exists, or one that never existed.
Lack of a god doesn't disprove the existence of an afterlife, either.
Your argument is that people who know the truth cannot make fun of people who think Xenu the Overlord gave them the power to overcome thetans through electrical shock, according to a science fiction writer.
>>61117646 SOUL. The spiritual immortal part in human beings that animates their body. Though a substance in itself, the soul is naturally ordained toward a body; separated, it is an "incomplete" substance. The soul has no parts, it is therefore simple, but it is not without accidents. The faculties are its proper accidents. Every experience adds to its accidental form. It is individually created for each person by God and infused into the body at the time of human insemination. It is moreover created in respect to the body it will inform, so that the substance of bodily features and of mental characteristics insofar as they depend on organic functions is safeguarded. As a simple and spiritual substance, the soul cannot die. Yet it is not the total human nature, since a human person is composed of body animated by the soul.
>>61117650 As ive always assumed. If there is a magic wumbo setting on the universe that contains all the illustrious stories and existence of fantastic beings such as god. We have simply yet to find it. Or it simply dose not exist at all. I will give the credit to the religious out there, it is a BIG universe, and whos to say there is not a godlike being out there.
leave the child alone and it will die, that is not a action. God leave people to die all the time despite his ability to intervene, if God is perfect and nothing he does is a sin. Than logically lack of intervention could not be a sin.
>>61115066 Of course, which is why only Orthodox Jews are in Heaven.
God's word is immortal and unchanging. Idiot "Christians" believe that God makes new covenants and that every one is a special snowflake. The truth is much sterner ... the God of Abraham is the God of Moses and that is eternal. You cannot just make changes to the immortal unchanging Word of God whenever you feel like it.
I have no hat in the religion ring because most of them are asinine. But I will say this fedoras, you cant prove their god dose not exist, and they cant really prove it dose. Its a concept that goes beyond the common understandings of psychical science and either lands in the field of psychology or simply opinion. Its the same line of reasoning to say that I believe there is in our infinite universe that there is other sentient race. There is no REAL evidence to support my claim by most science backs the possibility for the chances in infinity are in fact infinite. So in otherwords. Just drop it, you dont fucking know. Nether sides. Stop trying to convert eachother it never works.
>>61117817 >he spiritual immortal part in human beings that animates their body. Wrong,do I need to explain you how the body is animated? its not by a soul its by prolongations of braincells called axons that conduct impulses to muscles,glands and other braincells we have named every single fucking strand of them,mapped their whole circuit and manipulate them with meds. >Every experience adds Like I said before I can literally sever your ability to experience new things with a scapel,its part of a circuit of braincells around the hippocampus,your life experience like any other aspect of yourself can be tampered witch chemistry and anatomical manipulation. >and infused into the body at the time of human insemination Oh dear do I need to say something?
The "soul" is the ancient way of making sense of the nervous system,there is no deeper meaning to it. >>61117882 >as going to major in Biology/Biochemistry to become a doctor, but decided to go into law instead. Gee I wonder why someone who cannot grasp basic biology concepts failed to become a doctor :^) Regards, an actual doctor.
>>61117995 Yet there is no evidence of it. Not even a little bit. Not one ounce that the man even existed, let alone did any of the things he's supposed to have done. There's even debate over whether Mary was a virgin. Mankind can't even clarify the story.
More likely, Jesus never existed. At all. A God, or a being or beings that we thought were gods, could have been here. The bible even makes reference to more than one god, and to only follow the one true God. All religions make reference of this kind of a being. They don't all make reference to a carpenter born from a virgin who does magic tricks for the locals.
One has to be open-minded. That means we have to use all of the knowledge we've collected since the bible was first written and apply it to our beliefs. The fact of the matter is that the two no longer coincide. We know more about the universe than we could have ever thought possible back then. We've gone above the clouds, into what we once thought was heaven.
There's so many scientific possibilities for greater beings, and things we can't comprehend or that we literally can't see or interact with from our dimensions of existence. That's far more plausible than the simpleton language that the bible convinces us is fact.
God may have just been an average omnipotent being that thought more of itself than others in its species.
>>61117995 If God is all knowing then why would he come down at a time where information spread very slowly and was easily disputed by future generations instead of coming down now so the evidence will be much more palpable?
>>61118825 A dropout drops out for a reason,you are not qualified to talk about a subject you failed to learn. Also the truth? I'm stating facts and helping people understand the universe instead of claiming I know an universal truth because I read it in a book,presenting proofs and claiming you are above proof are different things.
Alright, religious dudes, I have a question: The area where ALL of the bible was written to take place is only a small section of the entire planet. If God was an omnipresent being, why did he reveal his word only to a select few people to then pass it on? Why not reveal it to everyone all at once? It'd be efficient - everyone in the world would now know the true religion, thousands of wars would then not be fought, and we could all live in harmony.
Based on the bible hell is not real. Hell is described as a seperation from god which is not possible since god is omnipresent. The only way it is possible is if your soul is destroyed. The punishment is destruction of your eternal soul, not some fiery hell
>>61118817 the bible is full of verses about how you should enjoy and rejoice
>I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life. >And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.
>A person can do nothing better than to eat and drink and find satisfaction in their own toil. This too, I see, is from the hand of God, 25 for without him, who can eat or find enjoyment?
>Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun.
>Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God. asceticism is not christian, it's another made up satanic ideology of the buddist inspired catholicuck church
>>61118993 Jesus died for all of us and gave us the gift of eternal salvation, but you still have to accept the gift and believe on him. Very few people have full faith in Jesus Christ, and that their belief in him (and not their works) will save them from hell.
>Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
1. infants go to heaven when they die 2. it cant be a sin to allow death to take place even if you have the means to stop it, because God does this every day and he is perfect. 3. eternal damnation is a horrible fate you risk by living life. once condemned it is irreversible and better you were not born.
Thus according to the bible leaving infants to die is the most just course of action.
The more I read about this stuff the more I believe in reincarnation. Not as the hindus believe it, I believe in it in a more genetical basis, based on Pim van Lommel discovered in his studies on veridical NDEs.
Here's whats the judgement day is like and you all should read this.
First, we find ourselves awake and resurrected, as conscious and aware as you are now in this moment. Everyone will be resurrected naked.
You will see people in complete chaos and mayhem, running around the place not knowing anything to do or seek, or where to go.
Ultimately, All of us are brought to where God will be the just judge, sitting down for years and years waiting for God to begin his judgement amongst the people, and separate the true from the false for one last time.
You will see every single human being judged for their actions in life. You will definitely see God's prophets, as much as you will definitely see the Sumerian kings, Adolf Hitler, Michael Jackson, kim jung un, george bush, and your dead grandfather. Everyone will be seen.
When someone's name is called, "Anon son of Anon", only he who is meant will stand up, regardless whether others have the same name.
Once he's seen, people will say "He stole from me", "He called me a bad word", "He wasn't just in his job", "He claimed a right of mine", "He corrupted my land".. Upon each one, god will take of his good deeds and give to those people he wasn't righteous with. Until each of his good deeds are taken, then the bad deeds of others are taken into his account for that he hurt and mistreated so many.
This will go on for a ridiculous amount of time, every single human who's been alive, billions upon billions, one after the other.
Before even this judgement begins, some are taken straight into heaven (those who were the most righteous), and some are taken straight into hell (those who were the most wicked).
Those who walk into heaven, will know where they shall reside as well as them knowing the directions to their house during their lives. It will be a place more familiar to them than any other.
For that, you have to pay a price during your lifetime, you have to be honest and righteous, not easy.
>>61116257 >He did, but we fucked it up. Suppose I drive on the freeway and deliberately release the wheel while still pressing the accelerator. The car crashes somehow! It's not my fault because the car fucked up.
>>61119146 I've always wondered about that. There are verses that refer to fire in the New Testament, but these usually imply the destruction of the eternal soul and not some fiery torment. Hell is just paganism infused into Christian theology via tradition and non cannon ideology.
>>61119177 Asceticism is Christian to a certain extent. Fasting has always played a part in Christian life, since the very beginning, although unlike most religions it's not mandatory, it's only really a guideline to help one grow in spirit.
Denying oneself is important, fasting and general asceticism in Christianity is kind of like "training" yourself to resist temptation, just in case you're faced with real, sinful temptation in the future, and there's nothing heretical or wrong about that in the slightest.
>>61119389 You abandoned your studies,you're a dropout. Hell you abandoned your studies for an easier major which tells me you were not doing so well. Why can't the "ACE" biology student refute anything I say with science?because you're a failure you took the easy way out for both your career life and your way of understanding the universe,you disgust me.
>>61119368 >3. eternal damnation is a horrible fate you risk by living life. once condemned it is irreversible and better you were not born. becoming saved is literally as easy as drinking a glass of water
>2. it cant be a sin to allow death to take place even if you have the means to stop it, because God does this every day and he is perfect. no
>>61118993 >Why would the gate to heaven be narrow Lord Jesus is the way, that's why it isn't wide. Only through Him.
Matthew 7:7-8 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Also He is God's living Word, which means the way to be saved is through God's Word, i.e. a promise. When you give someone your word, you give them a promise. That's what it means. And it means you can't work to get there, it's a free gift.
No, it isn't. In fact, religion is defined as a method of societal control using the fear of death and the unknown to enforce certain codes of conduct to prevent everyone from turning into rapacious thugs; but obviously it doesn't work too well with the inhabitants of the Middle East and Central/South Asia.
What death actually is, is just going into deep sleep. Your perception of reality ceases to exist just like when you're sleeping.
Now that you know what death is, hopefully it takes away your fear of it.
>>61119483 I don't think you're supposed to try and describe non-existence in the first place. It isn't exactly within the limits of our imagination. And I think saying that your body will get eaten by worms is redundant because reality will not or might as well not exist once you die
>>61119698 If it were as easy as saying "I believe" everyone would do it. The fact of the matter is, it's not that easy. In order to truly accept Jesus you have to follow kike morals even though Jesus technically freed us from the Law by virtue of his own death.
So Atheists get to not exist All the Christians who secretly think they have sinned and are going to hell, go to hell Those who expect reincarnation get it Muslims get their shitty virgins then get to be oppressed by their God who demands complete obedience Some of us get to chill in Paradise
>Luke 13:24 >"Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.
great argument, but how can doing the same thing as God be a sin? Furthermore, you realize people die of hunger around the world every day and you do nothing to help them, you think your inaction is some how justified because you don't see them in front of you?
>>61119833 >Was going to major in Biology/Biochemistry to become a doctor, but decided to go into law instead. "I finished my studies" >Why do you think "science" can refute God? That's not what our combo was about remember ? I said science can refute the concept of a soul and therefore an afterallife (the bloody point of this thread)and I REFUTED IT. If you feel like souls and an afterlife are instrumental for your belief of god then its on you,you surely need a carrot to follow like a dumb donkey to believe in god,the carrot being heaven of course and you convinced yourself you had faith? kek
Demons are SEPERATE from angels, behold there brother don't mix both.
Angels are god's obedient creation, they were created to be obedient. They never were demons and they never will be demons.
Demons, Satans, however you shall call them, are only the wicked of god's free-choice created beings.
Mankind and Jinnkind are both able to make decisions based on preference and desire, satans could be either men or jinn.
Eblees is the head of the wicked jinn, he hates us humans, he despises us, he is our true true true enemy. He swore an oath to fill hellfire with our kind.
If you ask about Jinn, we don't know how they look like or what's their lives like. We will never see them in their own "flesh and bones", hence the name "Jinn". "Majnoon" means Insane or absolutely not in control of his mind, "Jannahh" means Heaven, being called that because it is unseen and unimaginable.
>>61119989 >If it were as easy as saying "I believe" everyone would do it Nice circular logic, are you a creationist?
It's not as easy as saying a few words, you have to believe on our Lord Jesus Christ with all of your heart as well. That was the whole point of Jesus Christ dying, he literally died for our sins, the last blood sacrifice to end them all.
Also what makes a good person and a bad person? I know Christians that are complete tools, fucking others finances, screwing people out of money and breaking up families. But I know atheists and agnostics who are the kindest people you could meet. Which of them are doomed in your opinion?
>>61120340 You did say it was as easy as drinking a cup of water so how exactly am I misrepresenting what you said? It's not that easy, at all. You can believe in him all you want, but if you happen to fornicate once, tell a lie, whatever, then you're damned no matter how much you believe.
>>61120206 >You have nothing in your life worth caring about, nothing to feel joy over, so you choose to believe in an imaginary friend and waste your entire life waiting for something that will never happen I'll see you again in 2 years when you say "/pol/ was never about Christianity faggot"
>>61120422 >I wish I was religious and I could truly believe this shit. That's your choice alone m8, and the only reason you "can't" believe in it is because you don't want to. Start reading some apologetics, like C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity. The perfect start for people looking into the faith.
"The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not "produced" by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection." CCC 366
The Catholic Church teaches that our bodies do infact die and decay, but a human soul is immutable. The issue with discussing "what happens before death and judgement" is that we interject time into the argument. It is difficult to comprehend, but the realm of God, Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory do not obey to our perception of time, or even to the law of time itself. Basically, everything in these realms are the past, present, and future simultaneously, but not at any definable time.
There is no waiting room for the final judgement - all souls are immediately judged after death and enter heaven immediately, redeem themselves in purgatory, or suffer in Hell.
At the FInal Judgement, Jesus returns, commanded by God, and our spirits will unite with our bodies - after that the "wheat is separated from the chaff" so to speak and a temporal, physical Kingdom of God will reign on Earth. This is a testament to the ultimate good that is God, and the Catholic Church (as well as all Christian faiths, I am certain) preach that God will have the final word in history and end injustice.
>>61115066 >judeokikestians >>61119989 >kike morals You are very wrong. The OT is not jewish. Jesus was not a jew. He did not "free us" of the Law. >>61119878 The OT is not jewish, it is White. >>61119886 Why? >twist and morph Doesn't look twisted and morphed to me.
You either reside there permanently or for a period of time.
Permanently, those who worshipped other gods, and claimed that there is more than One true god. Basic human reasoning tells you that if a stone figure cannot help itself from falling and breaking, how can it be your god?
This is by far the greatest sin any human could commit, being so ignorant of their own logical reasoning and following what they saw their fathers doing without actually putting sense into it.
Those who stay in hell for a period of time are those who truly believed there was one God, but their sins overwhelmingly has overcome their good deeds.
For God to be absolutely just with them, he can't let them reside in hell forever. They will say something like "But we at least acknowledged you as the one and only God, how can we stay here FOREVER with those who didn't even do that?".
He also can't take them straight into Heaven. Those who were righteous enough to be in heaven will say "God, you've brought some of your worst sinners straight into heaven, how are they and us are equal? they have destroyed and they have corrupted, we have not because we feared you."
But afterall, it's all in God's hand. He is merciful enough to forgive, and if someone is taken straight to heaven although he was a sinner, everyone will acknowledge that God only did it because he knows all, and we don't know.
>Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Most "christians" are unsaved because they don't have full faith in Jesus Christ, they believe their own works will save them, ironically this will lead them to hell. Pretty much all catholicucks, orthodox catholicuck, and most protestants.
>but how can doing the same thing as God be a sin? Why couldn't it?
>Furthermore, you realize people die of hunger around the world every day and you do nothing to help them, you think your inaction is some how justified because you don't see them in front of you? No I don't think my inaction is "justified" in the sense that it's morally wrong. Its wrong not to help those in need..
>>61120806 You know that's not true. Why do we have so many Christcucks shoving their morals down our throats of there is no repercussion for deviating a little then? They always claim "if you don't do x, then you're going to burn in Hell." Apparently, belief in and of itself isn't enough.
>>61120946 >Jesus is a Jew. So, no. Why do fedoras and pagan larpers always use this argument? Modern Judaism was a new invention in Christ's lifetime and his entire MO was condemnation of the Talmud and the "old covenants".
Egyptian depictions of the Israelites showed them with red, blond, or sometimes black hair, and then often blue eyes (Canaan And Canaanite in Ancient Egypt, by Alessandra Nibbi, 1989, UK). They were described as appearing no different from Greeks (Josephus' Antiquities 12.5.1), and King David was described as ruddy (1 Sam. 16:12). Esau, the grandson of Abraham, and the brother of Jacob, the progenitor of the Israelites had red hair (Genesis 25:25).
"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." Rev. 3:9
"Ought ye not to know that the Lord God of Israel gave the kingdom over Israel to David for ever, even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?" 2 Chron. 13:5
"And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of." Gen. 35:11
"This day will I begin to put the dread of thee and the fear of thee upon the nations that are under the whole heaven, who shall hear report of thee," Deut 2:25
“My beloved is white and ruddy, chosen out of thousands. His head is as the finest gold: his locks as branches of palm trees, black as a raven.” Song of Songs 5:10-11
“Her Nazarites were whiter than snow, purer than milk, more ruddy than the old ivory, fairer than the sapphire.” Lamentations 4:7
Dead sea scrolls apocryphal description of Sarah (Abraham's wife):
"“Her skin was pure white; 'She had long lovely hair; Her limbs were smooth and rounded (her thighs were shapely) 'She had slender legs and small feet; 'Her hand were slim and long and so were her fingers.”
The word "Jew" in the Old Testament means "Judahite," (Strong's H3064) i.e., a descendant of Judah (a White man). In the New Testament, it means "Judean," (Strong's G2453) i.e, a person from Judea.
>>61120895 >Doesn't look twisted and morphed to me. there are no originals of any of the gospels, and there are many variants in existence and many completely removed from existence there are several sects of Christianity in present day if you believe in gods vision you have to be retarded to claim it has not been lost to us to a significant extend in the ages
>>61121011 Hospital slavery. >>61121038 >Science cannot refute the soul Sure it can,read my posts. >or discover the origins of the universe. Well that's way over my paycheck but I'm sure /sci/ would disagree. Also the reason we cannot refute god is because religious people keep moving the goalposts and making up unfalsiable logical fallacies.
This is my scripture, the book that says God is one and absolute, the book that glorifies God as the creator of this vast and majestic world.
The book that entitles everyone to be righteous and honest and truthful, the book that despises transgressors and destroyers of land.
The book that gives serenity and mercy to all of mankind, the book that is never a match to word of man, the book that says Jesus, Mohammad, Abraham, Moses, Isaac, Jacob, Soloman, David, Joseph, and every other mentioned prophet is ONLY a messenger and a prophet of god. All of them are as human as we are all human. None of them was God's son, All of them were truly the wisest and the most righteous of men to walk on this earth THUS God has chosen them to be the ones carrying his message.
>>61120532 You have to believe, and then you can drink the glass of water, lmao.
>You can believe in him all you want, but if you happen to fornicate once, tell a lie, whatever, then you're damned no matter how much you believe. No, that's bullshit. If you are saved your sins are repudiated. That's why it's called a GIFT. It's free.
>>61119038 Compared to an eternal being he has revealed it all at once. To the second point, free will is important to him, if he made our choice for us faith would mean nothing and it is faith that he wants. He created something and gave it all the tools it needs to recognize his work and he hopes that we will do so.
>>61119782 Actually real death is far scarier than the any religious excuses people can come up with.
Religion is the easy way out for people who cant comprehend or imagine what not existing would be like.
In general religion is the ultimate blue pill and a major reason for how fucked up the world is: Dont know how something works? God did it. Dont know how to behave? Ask god. You ve done something horrible? No problem, god will absolve you or maybe it was your god you did it for in the first place...
>>61121266 Actually not just my happiness but my immortal soul.
Of course Christians believe the immortal soul to be this ethereal thing. However you could also think of it metaphorically as your genetic lineage, which is a part of you that will live on forever after you die.
So it could be true that believing in Christ is the Lord is the only way my "immortal soul" can be saved, even under that more fedora type definition.
However that's still not enough for me to change my mind.
To change my mind I need evidence that I might be wrong.
>>61121376 >There are copies. proven to be different than older copies discovered in modern times >Some people are wrong. so god told us of himself in a way he knew would mislead millions? How do you know any of them have it right? >significant extent you don't know that, everything we know about Jesus's and his message could be wrong.
>>61121837 >religion is the ultimate blue pill good goy >/pol/ defends this one part of marxism >>61121857 For the """"""""sects""""""", just read the Bible. Proven to be different? How? We have manuscripts.
>>61121570 God obviously does not want to overwhelm you with proof of His existence, yet the evidence is more likely than not that the bible is the Word of God, by virtue of fulfilled prophecy, if nothing else.
The evidence of the Creator is inferred by the creation; in fact, God says in the bible that there is enough evidence to believe in Him that to deny the evidence is to be in rebellion against God.
That rebellion does exist, and it does not end well.
God will prove Himself to you, if you demand He do so and stick to it.
>ancient descriptions of jews says they looked the same as they look today, but in fact they did not look how they look today because I don think they did therefore those people described in the past were not jews.
>>61121581 >Because there's a difference between being saved, and what happens next. And the difference is what exactly? Explain to me how one can be saved if he does not follow the morality outlined by God. From what I've read of the New Testament, Jesus' sacrifice did not free us from the Law and this one is still bound by the morality delineated therein. Belief isn't enough because, apparently, believing makes you act a certain way (in accordance with the laws of God).
>>61121075 >"if you don't do x, then you're going to burn in Hell." The people who say things like this (and not clarifying that believing in Jesus will save you) are unsaved people, they are going to hell. The road is narrow.
And there are repercussions for saved christians who sin, but it's here on earth.
>For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. >If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? >But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
>>61122063 >ancient descriptions of jews "Ancient" descriptions of Israelites, not jews. >looked the same None of that, 0 of it describes them as looking the same. At all. Pure, middle eastern jews do not look that way.
What are you saying? The Israelites are White, as I have shown. Do you think they miraculously became sandniggers, just now? No. What makes you think they were kikes?
>>61122035 That is not how evidence works. You cannot use the book of God to prove God. In fact, you can't use anything to prove God, because it's a ridiculous concept. You cannot prove something that cannot be falsified. Instead of giving me hand wavey mystical unprovable fear mongering, give me evidence.
>>61122065 There is plenty of evidence throughout history like the testimonies of the NT (which is an undeniably reliable ancient text) miracles, some of which had tens of thousands of witnesses (inb4 muh mass hallucination), fulfilling of prophecies, most recent of which is the decline of the Church Age, embracing of New Age spiritualism, and overall rejection of God all prophesied in Revelation, and will lead to the end of the world. It's invincible ignorance which prevents any of this from convincing you.
>>61121636 >OK so you realize by that verse that many people are not going to heaven for what ever reason than, it would be preferable to die and infant and go to heaven than live and risk losing it.
Yeah, but seeing as how it's extremely easy to get saved it's not really a big risk to let a baby grow up in a truly christian family. Besides, infanticide is extremely bad if that's what you're suggesting, and God strictly forbids murder.
>so than why are you not in Africa right now feeding the poor. I'm hardly perfect kek
>>61121908 Sounds pretty egotistical, say I were to lead a good life, as I have been. Charitable, empathetic and kind, but I never said " this is because of Jesus" do I go to hell? I was raised Roman Catholic but it feels like a big scam. I mean it's a cause that asks for selflessness, which I display on a daily basis but the Vatican( which I've visited twice along with other pilgrimages) is paved with gold and marble. It's all a bit sick no?
>>61122387 >So maybe this video will convince me. It's a perfect video for /pol/sters. The only thing this guy doesn't do is name the jew, but plenty other Christian apologists on YT already have like with 'Marching to Zion'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=typ2pl2L47k
Do you want physical evidence in a prominent scientific journal of the highest reputation to say:
"God, who asked us to believe in him without physical, sensible, hearable, seen evidence, was found with an actual physical, sensible, hearable, seen evidence."
Or do you seek to see God with your own eyes and feel him with your own hands in order to do that?
What evidence do you so eagerly require in order to know that this Qur'an "thingy" is truly God's own words which were revealed to a man known to be illiterate for 40 years?
A Man who never wrote a word, never learnt the alphabet, never taught by a teacher, who was always known to be honest and fair even by those who took him as an enemy. He suddenly speaks of a One god and a true purpose of life as to struggle as hard as you could in the path of truth, in the path of good deeds and feeding the hungry and giving the needy, and being just as a ruler, and being fair to your family, and being honest with your companions, and always looking to improve yourself and build upon it.
God had said it is difficult, he said himself that reaching to him is difficult, but not on those who fear him. Try to encompass and comprehend that you will eventually die, regardless of what you'll do, you will EVENTUALLY die, pass away, cease to exist.
Would you rather think and believe that this is it, i have only so much time till i die so i must enjoy this life because i have no other?
Or would you seek to enjoy this life within what's permitted, ask your god to grant you an eternal existence in the heavens where you firstly belonged?
>>61122746 Then prove tens of thousands of people were conspiring to lie; the burden is on you since a testimony of such magnitude is very good evidence, just as much as mass UFO sightings are. Simply reducing anything you don't like to absurdity is not a valid counterpoint.
The argument of "The Book of Revelations is coming true, so everything in the bible is true" is in no way going to convince me.
I've read over that book, and there is a tremendous gap between what the book describes and what is taking place in this world. To match things there's a certain degree that you need to stretch your reading of it.
I've seen the same type of arguments used to say that the book of revelation is coming true, to argue that nostradamus predicted the future, or any number of things. It's just not very convincing to me at all.
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