SHOTS FIRED AT CRUZ

TRUMP

Cruz is done

>>61092929
Why are they doing this? if it goes through (I doubt it) they get Trump instead of Cruz. they are equally bad

>>61093180

Dont matta, Trump (pbuh) wins Iowa

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Anyone can file a lawsuit over anything. Its a series of forms. That doesn't mean it gets past a judge.

That lawyer should also be disbarred.

>YOU HAVE2 B BURN IN 'MURICAN SOIL 2 B PREZ ##Trumpet

That's wrong, the only rule is that you must be an American citizen by birth. His mother was an American citizen so he is one. He is American by birth.

>>61092929
RIP Ted

>>61093343
still makes the news :^)

>>61093343
>being retarded

its about generating bad press ahead of Iowa

even if it only costs Ted a few votes its a few votes he cant afford to lose

Trump has successfully taken down his last GOP obstacle.

On to the GE.

>>61093343
She voted in Canada which means she was a Canadian citizen f a m

>>61093505

Your intelligence is well appreciated.

Of course the suit will likely go nowhere. Most people are retarded though "Cruz sued" "oh shit!!!!!!! "

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>>61093343
>That's wrong, the only rule is that you must be an American citizen by birth.

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

NATURAL-BORN

Cruz is NATURALIZED AT BIRTH

Why does it matter at this point? Cruz can't even become the candidate. Trump has already won.

I really do want a Trump/Cruz ticket though fambly :(

>>61093842
Cruz can still be VP right?

>>61093842
y tho

>>61093712
>naturalized at birth

You retard that means he was born an American citizen.

>>61093891
yes. i would imagine.

>>61093891
if he's ineligible to be president, he's inelegible to be VP

Stick a fork in him, he's done.

>>61093905
becuase they are the least liked in the GOP.

i've always voted republican but, before this election, decided i was going to not vote because i'm tired of their shit.

trump is the perfect protest vote

>>61092929
Cruz is a natural born US citizen by (e), provided his mother was in the US for at least a year.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401

>>61093938
>>61093948
Thanks for clearing that up guys.

>>61093926
do you not know what naturalization is?

Naturalized at birth simply means that he was automatically naturalized at birth, and doesnt have to go through the hoops that paco does to become naturalized

but he was not born on American Soil, and therefore, not Natural-Born

>>61094005
Fuck Cruz. Fucking Weasel.

Let's get a guy like Mark Cuban or another business man as VP. Fuck politcians.

>>61094005
GoP dislike Trump and Cruz for entirely different reasons. Trump because he has a big mouth and isnt good for Republicans who are trying hard to change their image as being good for minorities.

Cruz is disliked because everyone who has ever worked with him absolutely hates him for being a slimy piece of shit

>>61094018

just goes to show you trump has a point, there is no clear definition.

>republishits literally have a cult surrounding the question of Obama's citizenship and birth
>one of their candidates literally born in foreign country

I mean...

>>61094073
You are an idiot. The constitution says that as long as he is born an American citizen then he can be president. May as well say McCain (BORN IN PANAMA) can't be president.

Also see this post >>61094006

>>61093926
Natural born and naturalized are not the same thing. That's the point of the lawsuit.

>>61094100

that's fine, i was just thinking of candidates.

i don't know if a non-candidate VP would hurt him in the gen election or not.

And John McCain was born in Panama. And?

>>61094238

it was a US zone or some shit.

>>61093948
Wrong. A VP doesn't have to be natural born. That's why Schwarzenegger is touted every election cycle as a possible VP pick

>>61094238
Panama Canal Zone was a US territory

Canada is not a US terrirtory

>>61094238
It was on a US military base. Also McCain's parents are US citizens.

>>61094229
By that definition most of the first 10 presidents aren't American because they were born in British owned colonies

The constitution doesn't say you have to be born on American soil it says you have to be born an American citizen.

WHICH CRUZ WAS

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>>61093642

>implying you cant be both at the same time

>>61094419

It's 2016, come on! Canadians can't be president!

>>61094238
Places like Puerto Rico are actually inside the USA. Panama canal was USA territory until 1977 or so.

Reminder that there is no clear definition for a natural born citizen.

>>61094419

read the constitution --

No Person except a natural born Citizen,
>or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,
shall be eligible to the Office of President

>>61094480

absolutely haram.

>>61094208
>May as well say McCain (BORN IN PANAMA) can't be president.
He was born on a US military base, which is considered US soil.

>You are an idiot. The constitution says that as long as he is born an American citizen
no, it does not. it makes a clear distinction of elegibility for president requiring being Natural-Born, AKA born on American Soil, be it on the mainland, or a territory/military base/embassy

>Also see this post >>61094006

That only makes him a citizen in the same way that someone born in China to an American parent is an American by Birth. It doesnt change his status as not Natural-Born.

>>61094419
>or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution

>>61093343
That's not how the founders intended it. Back then, the definition of "natural-born" came from from English common law. English common law, from that period, says that natural-born = born on the soil (i.e. Cruz is not eligible to become president).

>>61094419

where you at faggot? got called out on your bullshit. learn to read a book before you spout out shit you don't know.

>>61093642
You can't be serious. Have you never heard of dual citizenship?

I'm a citizen of both the United States and Israel, I can vote in both.

My friend is a dual American and Peruvian citizen, she HAS to vote in Peruvian elections or face a fine (a small fine, more of a warning).

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>>61092929
Ted Cruz is fucking done, he should have just played it quiet and he could've had the VP slot but instead he got greedy and tried to take first.

>>61094352
>Wrong. A VP doesn't have to be natural born.

>12th amendment
>"No person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Now, Speaker of the House, im not sure on. since speaker is third in line after VP. anyone want to clear that up?

>>61094691
citizen of isreal.

that doesn't mean shit.

tbqh you should have to pick one. dual shouldn't be an option.

>>61094643

Wrong again. It means a natural birth:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_childbirth

>>61094540
Exactly Trump's point. Why have any doubt? He wants Cruz voters to see that even if there's 1% doubt among the courts when the Dems ultimately sue, why not cast your vote to Trump, where there is no doubt. Cruz copies all of Trump's ideas anyways.

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>>61092929
>parents are American
>being born in Canada while your parents are there under military jurisdiction

Implying BTFO

>>61094419
The colonies were American soil. They may have been subjects of the british empire, but they were born on this continent. The whole point of that passage was to make sure that those who were born in the colonies held the highest office, not some faggot born in england who comes to rule the nation as a proxy for england.

>>61094419
SHALL

NOT

BE

IN

FRINGED

>>61092929
That guy filing the lawsuit is doing cruz a favor. He's going to lose so that attack against cruz is going to die.

>>61094369

US military have kids overseas literally every day and they are all citizens

This is a joke, but it shows how desperate Trump people are to hold on,

pretty entertaining tbqh

CRUZ GETTING RUSED

IT'S ALL OGRE NOW, IOWA BELONGS TO EMPEROR TRUMP.

>>61094812
>parents are there under military jurisdiction
except they weren't, they migrated to Canada

>>61094775
>tbqh you should have to pick one. dual shouldn't be an option.


nobody cares about your feelings, faggot

>>61094812

Except that's wrong you dipshit, here's your (You)

>>61094707
holy crap, that front page is glorious

top keks

>>61094643
Bingo!

>>61094570

>He was born on a US military base,

Literally not true,

>>61094779
pretty sure thats bullshit, svenhamed. the founders were English, ans as such made their laws based off of existing English laws they knew.

or are you saying that if a guy is born via C-section he cant be president?

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>>61094812
his father was a cuban national at the time of raphael eduardo cruz's birth

>>61094865
Yeah and those kids born overseas don't run for office.

>>61094936
>are you saying that if a guy is born via C-section he cant be president?

I sure am.

>>61092929
Ha-ha Maple Taco done.

>>61094691
>citizen of Israel

10/10 shitposting anon.

>>61094779
Natural childbirth =!= natural born

This is a totally different context, moron. This is a legal context. What? You thought the founders meant that people born via c-section cannot become president? Idiot.

Also, you're from switzerland. Fuck off from American elections.

Law is so retarded. Laws should have an appendix attached where they explain in length their intention with each law in case there's any doubt in the future what they meant with something.

>>61094857
>implying

he's done. even if he beats it, the GoP will never nominate him. His questionable citizenship has become a liability.

When obama was questioned, he presented a hawaiian Birth Certificate. Cruz, is well known and admits to having been born in Canada. there's literally no question that he was NOT born in the US.

>>61095010
Lol retard mountain nigger

No legislation is required to define whom is Natural Born. Only one born of Citizen parents in America needs no legislation to declare that one a Citizen. Natural Law is above the Constitution.

Natural Law is not the Common Law. America was not intended to be a Kingdom where the government owns the Subjects.

Citizenship flows through the blood and cannot be usurped by any Monarch.

>>61092929
Will probably be dismissed for lack of standing. Just a publicity stunt

>>61094865
They are not natural born citizens.

>>61094916
>John McCain was born on August 29, 1936, at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone

>>61094876
Probably Faggot Draft Dodgers.

>>61095040
>swallows obvious b8 and calls other guy a moron

top kek

>>61094419
I swear liberals just skip history class in high school or never bother to read the constitution at all.

>>61095125
Yes they are. Being in the service of the military is an exemption from the soil requirement.

>>61094865
If they're born on the base, which counts as U.S. territory, they are natural-born. McCain was born on a base in Panama, this is why this wasn't an issue when he ran for president.

>>61094998
Instant classic.

This should go to SCOTUS; there's too much ambiguity in the statutes, and it's not a matter of settled law. Yet.

>>61094865
"Probably a support of Sanders"
Yeah, fuck those Trump guys!

>>61095128
Most Americans are kinda ignorant of the out-of-mainland US territories.

>>61092929
If cruz is elected than he's gonna be spending as much time in the courthouse as the whitehouse!

He can't even be VP now, too much liability.

>>61095214
Nope.

McCain is eligible on base or not due to his father's military exemption from the soil requirement.

We should call him Rafael Eduardo Cruz more often

that's his real name after all

>>61095269
well to be fair, panama isnt a territory anymore, and US history/Geography education is terrible.

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An exception should be made for Canadians... we should be allowed to be president aswell, come on it's 2016

>>61095057
Oh look, another maple nigger who has no idea what they are talking about. Color me surprised.

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I'm settling this shit once and for all.

Please read the United States Naturalization Law of March 26,1790

>It also provided for citizenship for the children of U.S. citizens born abroad, but specified that the right of citizenship did "not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States." It specifies that such children "shall be considered as natural born citizens,"

CRUZ WAS BORN TO A PARENT WHO WAS A CITIZEN!!!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

>>61095143
HURR US MOUNTAIN NIGGERS ARE OBVIOUSLY JOKING HURRRRRRRRR

Fuck off, mountain nigger, faggot

>>61095313
where did "ted" even come from anyway

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” -U.S. Supreme Court, Dred Scott vs. Sanford 60 U.S. 393 (1857)

Cruz supporters are living constitutionalists.

>>61092929

Why are the lelberals insisting that natural born is discriminatory? It isn't. The point about loyalties is obvious. Someone who isn't born here is highly unlikely to have friends and family in the states. They didn't grow up here, they weren't educated here, and they have few reasons to be invested in the nation as president.

>>61095354
I read
http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm

>>61095356
>citizens
>plural
aka both parents
1 parent isn't enough, and his father was Cuban

>>61094643
See
>>61095356

PASSED BY THE FIRST CONGRESS!!! (Some of our founding fathers)

>>61095199
Where does it say that in the constitution?

>>61095356
How do you figure that a mere law can bypass Article 5 and change your Constitution?

>>61095199
Post exactly where it says that in the constitution, you retarded maplecuck

>>61094369
>Canada is not a US terrirtory
Implying.

>>61095479
They repealed it a few years later and removed the words "natural born" you know. They did this on purpose.

>>61095356
doesnt that LITERALLY say that if your father is not a resident it doesnt count

AKA his Cuban dad

>>61095356
His father was Cuban actually

>>61095485
Because he hates the Constitution. All Cruz supporters do.

They are the biggest phonies.

>>61095356
His father was cuban national. He is disqualified according to that law.

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>>61093545
This. And so much so.

>for me, I'm implementing his polices in my everyday business plans.

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>>61092929
THIS IS A MOVEMENT

>>61095465
It just specifies fathers, which (after a series of equal rights amendments) would now include mothers.

It clearly only specifies one parent. Please go take a long walk off of a short pier.

>>61095483
Your Constitution is based on Natural Law.

Do you understand the difference between a Citizen and a Subject?

>>61095361
his Mom's vagina
but that isn't good enough for this guy
>>61095358

>>61095356

>can't even read his own article that clearly states this law is no longer law
>it also says that your father had to be a citizen at the time, which his was not

You tried, Cruz is disqualified.

>>61095356
>the right of citizenship shall not descent to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States

HOLY SHIT, CRUZ BTFO

>>61092929
O god its obummer all over again.

>>61095529
They modified it in 1796 to not include immigrants who haven't been here 2 years and to not include indentured servers or slaves.

>>61095598
>after a series of equal rights amendments) would now include mothers.

What? No. That's nonsensical. Ted Cruz is not being denied a right, and his mother certainly isn't being denied a right. And the 14th Amendment applies to the states, not the federal government.

Take your liberal horseshit and go back to Canada.

>>61095358
You're fucking retarded if you couldn't tell it was b8, don't even try.

>>61095690
And they removed the words "natural born". They made a mistake and they corrected it. They didn't want men like Ted Cruz to use that law as an excuse to infiltrate our government.

>>61092929

I honestly thought that if anyone was immune to being schlonged by trump, it was ted cruz.

I guess I was wrong.

By the logic that Cruz is natural born due to just his mother being an American Citizen, you could just as well say that Cruz is a natural born Cuban Citizen.

Which is he?

Since there is a question Cruz cannot be Natural Born anything.

He's a true loyalty mongrel

RAFAEL EDUARDO CRUZ, AKA "EL CUBANO", IS NOT MY PRESIDENT

HE'S A CANADIAN BORN LATIN AMERICAN AND DOES NOT RESPECT 9/11 VICTIMS

TRUMP AND CARSON, NOT TRUMP AND CRUZ, OK? GOD BLESS

Can you really trust a man who's father was a communist anyway?

Look at what Obama has done.

>>61092929
This dumb fuck dug his own grave. I was going to vote Cruz but switching to Trump. Cruz lost last night, and it was painfully obvious.

I'm coming to the Trump train niggers, make some room!!!

>>61093926
No that means he was made an American citizen at birth by laws written after natural-born
was penned into the constitution. Original sources make a decent case that the term
is means they be born in the country.

All that aside why include the otherwise redundant "natural" in "natural-born citizen." Were the
founding fathers attempting to ban babies delivered to their mothers by stork from taking the
presidency?

>>61095791
>He's a true loyalty mongrel
it's pottery

it writes itself

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>>61095827
heh

>>61095855
Not only was Ted Cruz's father a communist, but he was a terrorist, too. He used to run guns and firebomb buildings for Castro. The man literally terrorized people through violence because they were capitalists.

He should be in prison. And meanwhile, Ted Cruz brags about his father's terrorism.

Honestly, if it were up to me, I'd strip Ted Cruz's dad of his citizenship and try him for war crimes.

>>61092929
>SHOTS FIRED
NIGGA OH NO!

>>61095760

Yet it's still in the constitution. Sucks for you.

>>61095356
>whose fathers
I thought the american link was his mother.

Ted Cruz's father did not become a US citizen until 2005

Is citizenship retroactive or something?

How can Ted Cruz possibly be a natural born citizen if he was born in Canada to a Cuban national father?

>>61095307
The military cannot exempt themselves from the Constitution. Don't know why you don't get that.

>>61096139
and her mother abandoned U.S. citizenship

>>61092929
They had this with John McCain.

>>61096092
Sucks for me how? Under no definition is Ted Cruz a natural born citizen. Only you people that think the Constitution is a "living document" believe that liberal horseshit.

>>61095356
>>61095465
>>61095479
>>61095531
>>61095588
>>61095633
>>61095656

>Moreover, that statute did not say the children were natural born, only that they should “be considered as” such. Finally, as soon as Madison, then a member of Congress, was assigned to redraft the statute in 1795, he deleted the phrase “natural born,” and it has never reappeared in a naturalization statute.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ted-cruz-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/2016/01/12/1484a7d0-b7af-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html

btfo, sorry Cruz. I actually like the guy.

>>61096247
they did not.

it was barely an issue when he ran, because he was understood to have been born in a US Territory, which panama was at the time of his birth.

McCains birth was literally a nonissue

>>61096252

What the fuck are you talking about? The words natural born were NEVER removed. They're still in the constitution, which disqualifies ted cruz.

>>61096247
John McCain was born on US soil with a US citizen father.

Ted Cruz was born in canada to a Cuban national father.

Big difference.

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>>61092929
TED POO ON SUICIDE WATCH

CRUZ SUPPORTERS ABANDON SINKING SHIP

(even Rafael's father is voting for Donald)

>>61096147
http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm
§ 217. Children born in the armies of the state.

For the same reasons also, children born out of the country, in the armies of the state, or in the house of its minister at a foreign court, are reputed born in the country; for a citizen who is absent with his family, on the service of the state, but still dependent on it, and subject to its jurisdiction, cannot be considered as having quitted its territory.

>>61095361

You've never met someone named Edward that uses the nickname Ted?

>>61096362
My bad. I think I got confused somewhere along the way. What I was referring to is Congress removing "natural born" from the naturalization statute they passed in 1790 after they saw it as an oversight.

I think we might be on the same side.

Any Texas law experts: Does Mr. Schwartz have standing to pursue this?

>>61096459
His name is Rafael.

>>61095356

Children of citizens. Two. Plural. Citizens. Two. Plural. CitizenS.

Two.

Plural.

Cruz is only the child of an American citizen. One. Singular.

why did obama get constantly harrassed for being born in hawaii but cruz is confirmed canadian born and nobody says anything?

>>61096591
>nobody says anything
Are you living under a rock?

>>61096551

Yeah and Jeb's name is John, what's your point?

>>61096591
Because there's no proof Obama was even born in Hawaii. He grew up in Malaysia or some fucking place.

>>61096459
Edward yes. His name is Rafael.

thats like someone with the middle name Nicholas calling himself Nick despite his first name.

its also some false advertisement, senpai. even Rubio uses his real name

>>61094643
But the founders intended for gay marriage?

Because that's part of the constitution now. :^)

>>61096671
I thought it was Kenya?

>>61095381
Don't see what Cruz has to do with your post.

>>61096667
Jeb is literally an Acronym for John Ellis Bush.

Ted is an abbreviation of Cruz' middle name.

>>61096575
That's questionable even, some are saying Eleanor renouced her US citizenship before Ted was born.

>>61095827
He's still whiter than you.

>>61095381
>parents who are citizens.
>parents
>s

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>>61096459
But he's not Edward, he's Eduardo

>>61096715
No, his father was some Kenyan nigger but Barry Soteoro grew up in Indonesia or Malaysia or some fuckhole.

>>61096953
He changed it when he was 20yo

>>61096713
It isn't part the constitution, you northern mountain nigger

>>61095893

By an amendment to the Constitution.

>>61095893
They were attempting to ban Canadians born to Cuban communist fathers from taking the presidency.

This lawsuit will only help Cruz. It will clear shit up so he can be Trump's VP (he has no chance of beating Trump anyway). He and Trump can start fixing shit, and he can go onto being either on the Supreme Court at some time during Trump's terms or carry on the legacy of Trump's term as representative of the Tea Party faction of the GOP as the next president, taking Paul as his VP to support the libertarian leaning wing.

As long as something doesn't go horribly wrong (probably will) we'll have 24 years of non-Establishment GOP presidents, reforming the GOP and ruining the progressive and authoritarian uprisings that are taking place.

>>61094770
SotH can be anyone. That said if the President and VP dies it would skip over them to the next in line.

>>61094208
You know panama was US territory until 1999 right? McCain was literally born on US soil. Just like Puerto Ricans are natural born US citizens.

McCain and Cruz are completely different situations, and the attempt to conflate the two means you are either extremely ignorant, or willfully attempting to obfuscate the issue.

>>61097196
>That said if the President and VP dies it would skip over them to the next in line.
pretty sure the speaker IS next in line if the President and Vice President.

>>61095606
>asked where it says what you are claiming in the constitution
>Its real in my mind

Fuck off

>>61096485
reminds me of our one banner

>why are we attacking our own forces? - 4chan

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>>61096760

>Jeb is literally an Acronym for John Ellis Bush.

>>61097196
>It will clear shit up so he can be Trump's VP

That is not ever going to happen.

>>61094480
Cruz was a Canadian citizen until 2014.

>>61095356
>Ignoring the amendment 5 years later where they overwrote this

The naturalization act of 1790 was replaced with the naturalization act of 1795.

They realized they fucked up, and fixed it within 5 years you nigger, way to try and lie by omission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1795

The facts are clear.

Ted is not a natural born citizen and quite possibly not even a US citizen at all.

>>61092929
Good. It would be very hypocritical for Republicans to make conspiracies about Obama not being American-born and then not do the same with Cruz, who they KNOW isn't American born.

Take it up to the courts. Then you'll have absolute confirmation on the issue.

>>61097500
ATM machine.
JEB bush.

Surely there are records of renounced citizenships.

Would those be at the State Department?

>>61097500

I didn't know Yeb was capable of such pottery.

>>61097908

TFW when.

>>61092929
>Trump predicts thing
>"YOU EVIL BASTARD BIGOT EVIL OLD MEANIE EVIL NAZI!!!!!!"
>thing happens

Every. Time.

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>Newton Schwartz

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>>61098527
What if Trump is the Illuminati?

I like cruz but I dont want a canadian to be president

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All Trump has to do is make most Iowa voters aware Cruz was born in Canada and he literally wins the primary.

>Cruzfags on suicide watch

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>yfw President Trump deports cruz back to cuba

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>>61098922

>>61098922

"GO ENJOY SOME CANADIAN VALUES!"

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>>61092929
>>61093343
b-b-but trump LITERALLY JUST TOLD HIM TO BE WORRIED ABOUT THIS?!

ARE WE ALL JUST SPECS LIVING IN TRUMP'S DREAM!?

>>61096686

Marco's real name?

Anthony?....His family calls him Tony

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>>61098922

>>61092929
>92929

>>61098801
If this is legit, trump is a mastermind. Because of what he's done, every iowan will know cruz is a canuck.

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>>61092929

>Trump: Yo man better, get your shit together on this because they are going to sue you if you don't.
>Cruz: Yeah right that won't happen
>it happens
>Trumps face when

LITERALLY NOT EVEN 24 HOURS SINCE TRUMP SAID IT WAS COMING

>>61093343
>73 page lawsuit

>>61093343
Sorry "natural-born" =\= "naturalized". Ted is a naturalized citizen, not a natural born one.

>>61092929

Welp, ya know, Canada is closer to the USA than Kenya, heh.