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Couldn't watch yesterday's debate. Who won? What

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Couldn't watch yesterday's debate.

Who won?
What were the highlights?
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>>61065261

Cruz destroyed Trump.
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>>61065261
>Republican debate

America lost. There were no winners.

\thread
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>>61065261
Jeb pulled out a glock and aimed it at trump. He recited the lord's prayer and then pulled the trigger. Blowing his arm off, and then he bleed out on the stage.
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>>61065261

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZAURJ1-lHc

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/lupica-ted-cruz-new-york-city-values-9-11-heroes-article-1.2497009

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-15/cruz-s-natural-born-citizen-status-challenged-in-birther-suit

Cruz is done
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>>61065278
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>>61065261
pic related
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>>61065333

>the lawyer on the case is named Schwartz

Top kek. This can't end well for Cruz.

I had a gut feeling since August that he isn't eligible. And it will probably be proven true.
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Ben Carson proved how based he really is.
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>>61065333
are republicans still making an issue out of gay marriage? mind boggling, its like they want to make it harder to win a general. why do you even need to bring it up? its settled. theyre making an issue out of something that isnt one, its not gaining them any votes, and the position doesnt even make sense.
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They all bitched back and forth and only Kasich looked like the adult in the room.

Kasich clearly won the night
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>>61065261
Also interested, OP. Unfortunately I doubt we'll get any straight answers or opinions here.
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>>61065261
Cruz won, made Trump look like a fool.
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Thanks for waking him up
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Cruz trying to stump Trump.

Turned into Trump rubbing Cruz's face in his own piss.
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>>61065836
I have to agree, Kasich did the best out of all of them, but it won't help him.

In the end, Trump framed Cruz's attack as an attack on American values, and I think it might resonate with people.

I liked how they all pussy footed around with the Muslim ban though. They all basically said "Well, I certainly wouldn't accept Syrian refugees, and we have to be careful of who we let in, but we also don't want to offend anyone."
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Why are Americans just using stupid emotional rabbles?

Where are the true viewpoints? Why aren't they discussing the real issues? Why is it only ad hominem?
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Ben Carson got a couple of good jokes in, but most of the night he was just babbling about nonsense like simultaneous EMP strikes bringing down the electrical grid and a dirty bomb.
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>>61067396
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>>61067396
Why do non-Americans care about our politics?

We're a huge multicultural empire with zero consensus on any issue as of 2016. It's impossible to have intelligent political discourse with as much noise as there is here (and the Jews don't help). I wouldn't expect someone in a country the size of my back yard to understand.

Sorry if that comes off as salty.
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>>61065333
Wasn't that insulting. Trump is appealing to feelings, like a democrat.
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>>61067179
What's this chinese cave painting about?
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Boring platitudes. It was simply terrible.

Trump was embarrassing as always but will most likely still be in the lead as the primaries hit Iowa.
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Trump killed it
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Wake me up when Romney rides to the rescue.
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>>61067603
Well I do care about American politics. Most of Europe is under the direct influence of the US, so it stays important for us who is in charge in Washington.
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Muh war, muh national defense, muh military

Completely fucking horrid to watch for anyone who has a clue and isn't a brainwashed paranoid faggot.
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>>61065305
You can't \thread your own post faggot.
>back2reddit
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>>61065305
>\thread
Since when are we allowed to do this on our own posts?
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>>61067869
>>61068024
I've been seeing people do it more and more lately, gross
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>>61067396
>Why are Americans just using stupid emotional rabbles?
They have to appeal to the American public. Our population is actually really fucking dumb.
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>>61065333
>mfw Cruz doesn't have natural born citizen status and gets deported by Trump
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>>61065836
>has zero idea how a TV debate is won and lost.

Trump won last night.
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>>61068222

Trips don't lie
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What were the Jeb highlights?
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FOREIGN POSTERS BTFO

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>>61067649
Why he'll win

>>61065278
>kraut cuck
Opinion discarded

>>61067783
this nigga gets it

>>61066519
only in european paraliment taco
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>everyone does better than usual except for jeb who had his worst performance yet, he held back tears and had to stop talking so people wouldn't see he was crying
>carson memes, says "wake me up when there's a question, tells jokes, forgets to listen to the moderator when asked a question
>trump plants seeds of doubt and risk in cruz
>cruz attacks trump and says that not many conservatives come out of new york, trump retaliates invoking 9/11 and ends cruz's campaign
>kasich didn't interrupt anyone?
>christie BTFO rubio
>people try to argue with trump about business, make themselves look retarded
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>>61065278
this - it wasnt a death blow but Cruz got points on Trump
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>>61068291
Muh...muh name was mentioned.
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>>61065278
>Cruz won

Good one Ahmed, I mean Fritz
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>>61068222
checked
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>>61065278
Yeah, in the beginning Cruz was doing pretty great, but then this happened...

Cruz never recuperated after this and became Rubio's punching bag. It was pretty embarrassing, he fucking deserved it though, his arrogance and cockiness caused him to blindly walk into a stump.

But, of course, the neocon shills will do their absolute best to portray him as if he won.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZAURJ1-lHc
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>>61065502

Thats my last name and i'm German lutheran.

Its only a jew name if they are from NYC. Jews stole our names
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>>61065261

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjAnlMHYRRM

Watching it now.

Fucking cruz thinks grand allatoya khomeni is still alive.

Cringy fuck.
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>>61068883

Whatever you say Ezra.
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America is big enough so that we can fuck up other people's countries even by accident.

And our shit is much more in your face and loud and celebrity driven, so it's not suprising that people would take notice.
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>>61067649
If you insult someone based on their morals, of course there's going to be an emotional answer, you fuckin tard
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After this debate, I really feel Cruz is the one we need. Sorry, i'm hanging my red trump hat.
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>>61069262
Why?
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>>61065541
Did he stay awake the whole time?
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>>61068936
>Any nation that captures our fighting men and women will feel the full force and fury of the united states of America

Jesus Christ... You're a bunch of monkeys.
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>>61069262
>hello, fellow Trumpeteers
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>>61067179
I literally tuned out every time I heard Kasich's voice. I'm not joking, I didn't give a fuck what he had to say. And I kind of listened to Christie and Jeb. I'm not alone, no one cares about that nobody outside of Ohio.
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>>61065823
>its settled.
For now. But you would be stupid to think it is always going to be that way.

>and the position doesnt even make sense.
Being against degeneracy doesn't make sense? I think that letting in only certain types of degeneracy that you arbitrarily think is acceptable doesn't make sense.

It's more consistent to say that you should be able to marry anything that consents than it is to only let normal people and faggots marry.
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>>61069417
>Kaisch
IVE DID IT IN WASHINGTON AND IVE DID IT IN OHIO AND I CAN BRING IT BACK TO WASHINGTON

His ending to every answer in every debate. Go away kasich
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>>61069353
Trump was very .. confused when Cruz started attacking him, I hated it though, it's the way I want Hillary to feel, not Trump, but cringing my eyes and hoping Trump dosen't say something stupid is just denial at this point. And I know I sound like a shill but I am a huge trump fan, but I feel like if we fuck up this chance to get President again, the left will be back in power for decades, if not forever after. I feel like we're risking it. I mean, when Cruz as fighting Trump, I had no faith in Trump to win this argument and just cringed hoping he wouldn't look any worse, and he really didn't do any favors to himself, if Cruz was the nom, i'd never have to feel that way, he's very good at debating, it's almost scary.
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>>61065541

>That explosion in the thread when the stars aligned, Carson woke up from his slumber and called for the race war.
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>>61069574
You guys will just disregard me as a shill or a fake Trump follower, so I don't know why I bother.
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>>61069059

Anon I think your mom needs some help upstairs, can you pause WoW for a second?
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>>61068222
ayy mayne TRIPS DON'T LIE.

you good. Don't vote SYRIZA and you will live a good life.
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>>61069683
>>61069574
lol what did he say so stupid?

Cruz got a few points on Trump, its not a big deal really...I think you suffer from Trump hype so even when he loses some argument points you are destroyed....he's a man like any other, fallible ....he still is better than Cruz. Cruz and his Wife are shills for paid interests.
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>>61065333
Ted Cruz came an inch from saying "It is the Jews, Maria"

>NYC values
>You know what I mean
>Media and money focused
>Do I have to paint you a hooknosed picture?
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>>61069574
I understand where you're coming from, Cruz certainly seems like a more calm and safe candidate who may not potentially destroy any chance of a Conservative every being potus every again. But, saying that though, would you really be content with one more Conservative win before the Millennials finally hold political power and we are eternally doomed to Marxism? I see no reason why the GOP shouldn't go full on intense populism and take one last epic swing at the Liberals before it goes down hill, I feel that the ambition of Trump is something the rest of the west sorely needs.
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>>61069937
I just wish Cruz would take VP.
Now he never will. Not after that.
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For thousands of standard years before becoming the God Emperor, Trump guided and watched humanity develop over the course of its history, assuming the guise of a large number of historical personages. He was aware that the darker extremes of human nature were feeding the growth of the Jews in Israel, and so He sought to promote peace and harmony on Earth and thereby curb the growth of the Zionists' strength.

The Jews themselves recognized the Emperor as their greatest enemy among all the intelligent beings of the galaxy. Only at the end of the Age of Technology did God Emperor Trump emerge from obscurity to take a more direct hand in the future of humanity, conquering the warring factions of Mankind's homeworld and establishing His direct rule over the Earth. The Emperor accepted the deaths of the many innocents that resulted from His conquest with great remorse in order to achieve the greater good of unifying humanity and protecting it from the manifest predations of Israel
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>>61069683

Trump didnt want to be there and it showed. He basically let Cruz stump himself. Cruz is a great debater but a total jackass and Trump knows this. Hes also trying to score some points for being diplomatic enough to let others talk.
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>>61068847
Trump just used 9/11 as a weapon. He's unstoppable.
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>>61070120
unstumpable*
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Why did the GOP agree to so many debates? The fighting and many cringe-worthy quotes will just come back to bite them in the ass when we finally get to the real run for the presidency. Great strategy! The complete cluelessness just boggles my mind.
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>>61068326
Don't forget Carson's "RACE WAR"
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>trump seemed a little tired but still did well
>Cruz sounded like a well rehearsed psychopath to the point where he didn't even realize he was fucking himself over because he was too trained to ever talk on the fly
>Trump used the fact that Cruz can't ever talk off the cuff to rek him by talking about 9/11 when 'new york values' came up
>basically said new york values are helping other Americans and unifying the nation
>Cruz had to clap because that's what a well trained seal does when 9/11 comes up.
>In Cruz's mind as he clapped he was going "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
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>>61069574
Dumby

>oh wow this guy looks bad against a fucking master debater who was biding his time and waiting to catch the guy off guard after amassing a potential following that would support him in the event the other guy suddenly looks bad for whatever reason and people no longer want to vote for him

You actually fell for it. I wouldn't care so much if it weren't for the fact that Trump would flat out be a better president and Cruz wasn't a slimy calculating weasel
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>>61065261
I enjoyed Carson saying that he's not sure what 'forces' cause such dissonance and lack of unity among Americans.

This dude is ready to lynch anyone who doesn't follow Christ.
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He absolutely destroyed Cruz.
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>>61069574
Fuck off back to reddit shill. Next you'll be telling us how you feel Bernie Sanders is your guy. Fuck you.
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>>61070219
>comparing Trump to Hitler

Libshit detected

>>>/out/
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>>61065261
Well according to the poll on drudge report I'll say trump won

http://drudgereport.com/nowsc.htm

Don't know how to post a picture since I'm a Newfag. Just copy the link and check it out
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>>61070299
It's funny you can actually see the exact moment in the debate where Cruz realized he made a tremendous mistake and underestimated his opponent. He knew he practically lost then and there, and knew it so bad that he couldn't hold his spaghetti while he tried damage control
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>>61065333
Why did Cruz laugh?
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>>61065533
Fukkin kek
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>>61070547
Actually, I'm an independent voter. I accidentally selected the wrong pic from my overflowing Trump folder. I think my questions were still valid either way.
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>>61068847
God I can't stand Cruz anymore. He's such a smug mother fucker. I hope his campaign crashes hard, he's the most annoying and self righteous fuck up there. I would choose anyone over him, even fucking jeb.
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>>61065261
>Couldn't watch yesterday's debate.
>Who won?
>What were the highlights?

Frenchie why aren't you removing kebab loving politicians instead of asking about US debates?
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>>61070405

It's only racist if you're white, so he can get away with it too
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What were the highlights?

Freedom Kids.
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>>61068847
>>61068936
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM6qRl3dSME

Anyone want to tell me why CNN edited around Ted Cruz clapping?
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Truz did well in the debate about his nationality and btfo a little. But trump made a valid argument when he pointed out that the democrats will use this against the republicans.

Trump showed his powerlevel when the debate switched to China and Economy. He btfo the whole table. Including desperate jeb. I felt so sorry for Jeb.
Trump: " jeb you`re a weak leader"
crowd booing
Jeb : "... "
looks helplessly smiling to the Moderators
Jeb : " come on.. "

>>61070249
It was cringy as fuck when he started talking about the new art of war.
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>>61070299
>>Trump used the fact that Cruz can't ever talk off the cuff to rek him by talking about 9/11 when 'new york values' came up

You can't really retaliate when someone is
>muh 9/11ing
Cruz got his point across about new york and the audience was cheering and people at home were laughing
The worst part of the night for Cruz was that he was not given enough time to repudiate rubios long list of bullshit against him

Rubio is a slanderer that just keeps spewing skewed bullshit every direction trying to steal votes to try and keep himself alive
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>>61068847
>"but but 9 11!"
Fuck. I thought family guy was just joking.
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>>61070467
Nope.
I'm a huge Trump supporter, and you guys helped me to see Trump is still my guy, I just had some post-debate doubt again, I want to hear you guys defend him like

>>61069962
>>61069937
for reassurance, it helps a lot to hear stuff like this instead of
>DON'T QUESTION IT >>>REDDIT
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>>61070299
yea the New York counter was brilliant.
Trump is a such a clever player in this game.
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>>61065305
FUCK OFF NORMIE!

REEEEEEEEEEE!
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Depending on your political predisposition, either Trump or Cruz won.

Carson needs to get out of the race, his babbling about EMPs was the cringiest thing moment of any non-Jeb campaign this cycle.
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>>61069574
debating doesnt have anything to do with who will be the best president

that being said donald trump won last night
he's a good person and he cares about the country
cruz is a slimy rat that looks like he would trade his country for the winning powerball ticket
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>>61065261
I made these just for you
https://youtu.be/EUND14BaquM
https://youtu.be/ft2DhCVNy5k
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>>61065305
/thread
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>>61071278
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmWOOrwDUug
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>>61071203
If your convictions are they easily swayed and you can't see the truth for what it is on your own you are a fucking retarded reddit plant shill shithead cocksucker.
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>>61065502
The Obama birf certificate debacle of the last seven years would have dropped very quickly if "lol my mom is a US citizen anyways guys even I was born in Kenya and not Hawaii" but Obama never counter with that he stuck with the US soil argument.
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>>61071385
I like both Cruz and Trump, when Cruz looks good, I get scared a bit maybe i'm following the wrong guy, some reassurance with some good facts is better than what you're doing.

Face it, you're pretty much a tumblr shitlord, the way you're acting.
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>Cruz tries to use 'le natural born citizen' against Trump, who was born in Queens
>BTFO
>Cruz tries to insult Trump bc he's from NY, Trump uses 9/11 to annihilate him
>BTFO
>Rubio sneak attacks for dat VP slot
>Carson tells moderators to 'wake me up' lel, then sleeps the whole time
>Kasich the Khameleon plays it safe again to survive

Did I miss anything? Trump clearly won
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wait, Trump makes fun of Jeb Bush for having a globling wife but Ted takes a shot at hime for being from JewYork? all the sudden woah woah woah man, you can't say that!! my feelings
>muh 9/11
>muh big apple
>muh town come together

I do not like Cruz but you can see the Trump's face when the truth was told, now that's how you open up a loud mouth like Trump.
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Debate was horrible everyone threw tantrums at each other, jeb cried, krispy rekt rubio, Cruz was a creepy neocon parasite, trump looked uncomfortable and was on the back foot except for his 9/11 remark, Carson talked about an emp cyberattack at the same time (lol)

Yeah if you vote for any of these retards you
are going to have a bad time
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>>61069574
Cruz will win nomination
Then will have to drop out because he isn't a citizen
Then Sanders wins
And tje U.S gets fucked by kebabs
Trump sits back and sais
I TOLD YOU
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>>61071799
Trump doesn't give a shit man. It's not feelings, it's called being ruthless and knowing how the game is played. But mostly being ruthless.

Usually Trump uses calculated phrases and maneuvers to win these kind of things, but this time Cruz handed him a loaded gun in the middle of a fight that Cruz started.

Trump took it and shot Cruz's campaign directly in the face.
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>>61071799
>I do not like Cruz
Why?
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>>61071850
thanks Australia for letting us know how to make good political decisions.
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>>61065333
Fug. I feel bad for cruz. Completely stumped by the Trump. Never saw it coming.
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>>61065823
>liberals will fight for gay marriage non stop despite constantly losing
>republicans should just give it up its settled
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>>61065278
I support Trump, but Cruz was excellent, Trump couldn't stump him.
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>>61072194
sweet nips
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>>61071799
It's the only way Trump or anyone could have come out of an attack like that, to take a high road and render the attack inert. At that point, Cruz wasn't attacking a heartless New Yorker, but he was attacking a victim of 9/11 attacks.

I talk to people on the left and joke about Trump but I always bring up how people underestimate him in that way. I'm convinced that he has the highest IQ on stage.
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>>61072194

He's a fucking psychopath that would sell his grandmother into slavery to be potus.
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>>61072328

Npz America, I got your back
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>>61072328

Cheers cunt, we picked up how not to do politics from you lads.
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>>61072470
What leads you to this conclusion?
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>>61072529
Oh that's why you lost your guns and your crime is through the roof

oooohhhhhhhhhh
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>>61065261
Trump almost got rused, then ended up going full savage on cruz.

Right after Cruz gets obliterated by Rubio of all people. Then Rubio gets cut down to size by fucking christie

The winners:

Trump, Carson, Christie

Irrelevant:

Kaisich

The Losers:

Bush, Cruz, Rubio

BTFO out of race:

Rand paul by proxy (that weak ass cheering section)

alllllriight
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>>61069620
wait wait wait link?
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>>61072632

>that weak ass cheering section

Oooh, that was for Rand? I couldn't figure out what they were chanting.
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>>61070045
Cut back on the WH40K
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>>61067783
This t.b.h family
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>>61072715
Yeah it was

>"we want rand, we want rand, we wa-"

and that was it.

Weak feminine voices that even the moderators had a hard time understanding being 30ft away

Randlets are actually on suicide watch today
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>>61072593

>America giving crime prevention advice
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>>61072904
FUCKING KASICH joked saying the moderator had a red tie.
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>>61070037
Rand for vp

Cruz for supreme court
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>>61072904

Well, if I were a Rand supporter I'd be pretty pissed Yeb gets prime time and Rand doesn't. At least Kasich is doing OK in New Hampshire, what relevance does the Guac Prince have?
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>>61072939
Yeah as it turns out the parts of America with crime problems are the places with liberal politics problems. In particular places where it's hard or impossible to own a gun :^)
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>>61072950

Dude kasich was on fire last night (for him)

>btfo randlets

>btfo hernie sanders beyond repair

>btfo shillary

>agreed with Trump at every possible opportunity, but specifically on the economy to avoid stumping

>only mentioned ohio like 10 times instead of 50

was pretty good for him, he still has almost 0% nationally though, don't know why NH likes him
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>>61069411
>Implying the full fury of the United States wouldn't completely demolish any country on the planet
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>>61072179
ha! wtf are you talking about, I find it funny he's taking "personally" because Cruz was right, NYC is just a bunch of degenerate, PC police fucks only wanting fame, I mean come on he was put on his spot, only thing he had to say was 9/11 and is just like yelling racist when losing an argument.

>>61072194
He's a fucking lunatic, neo-con, Canadian proxy

>>61072432
>but he was attacking a victim of 9/11 attacks.
>what
Did you fucking hear him saying and pointing out what New York values are? he didn't say anything about 9/11, Trump and Jewyokers got hurt because "muh 9/11" fuck off, you got put on your place.
>I'm convinced that he has the highest IQ on stage.
if he had the highest IQ on stage he wouldn't waste it on becoming a politician
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>>61071001
Where were the other two in the video? I heard more than three voices so I thought they were using voiceover stuff but I guess they weren't on screen or something? Maybe they were doing backup from off the stage?

They chose the prettiest three to do the song and dance though so that's smart.
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>>61073256
>He's a fucking lunatic, neo-con, Canadian proxy
So Trump supporter memes?
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>>61073256
>if he had the highest IQ on stage he wouldn't waste it on becoming a politician

Yeah you're right, he'd use it to become a billionaire! Oh wait!
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>>61073046
he bribed the debate board with his updated recipe

its not fair really, how could rand compete?

but nah, i think according to the polls from last week Jeb was slightly above Rand and both were dancing near the cutoff

Next debate i don't think Bush will make it, he did nothing to help himself this time

>T-there no building a boeing plant in china!
>any human with a brain goes on google
>finds out in 3 seconds boeing is in fact building a plant

hes done
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>>61071552
Cruz wants to raise h1b visas by 500% you dumb uninformed piece of shit.
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>>61072593

>25+ people a year shot in Australia
>10,000+ people a year shot in America
> "crime is through the roof"

Can't hear you over the sounds of gunshots at Uni... oh wait, that's right, I can bludge in a classroom without getting fucked by some fuckin cunt with a tiny dick and a big gun.
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>>61073218
>implying that it didn't work in Vietnam
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>>61073393
That gif is amazing. I can't get enough of Jeb vs Trump.
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>>61072574
dem titties
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>>61073497
They're all getting stabbed, mugged, and raped instead, dumby. How anyone can actually defend Australia's or the UK's gun laws are beyond me, it's like you actually believe the shit being peddled to you by the people stupider than you are. Or maybe they aren't.
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>>61073550
>full fury
>vietnam

lol, what?

There was never even a declaration of war, and congress was constantly holding back LBJ and Nixon before the stupid hippies even started protesting.

Nixon wanted to firebomb them until every living thing was dead, which the airforce could have done in a month

>tfw really wish he had
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>>61073713
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>>61073310
The only person that makes sense is Rand and you all fucking know it, I find it interesting that souther states are the ones supporting Trump the most, he's a northerner and southerners hate people from the north or am I missing something here? if Ulysses S Grant was still alive today he will be really disappointed so many southern people are bandwaggoning Trump for the sake of what? liberty? please.

>>61073347
>he'd use it to become a billionaire! Oh wait!
You didn't get my point but OK, he's not a smart politician I tell you that, uses same wording in all events, sounds like an insurance salesmen.
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Trump had an embarrassingly terribly night. Rubio's first few answers were home runs and then he fumbled pretty bad.

Cruz had some great moments, Trump got stumped when trying to call him out on being ineligible, didn't even understand the accusation against him.

Everyone else was present.
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Cruz and Trump exchanged blows early on but Cruz got fucked once he did that New York thing
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>>61073761
Maybe it's because we live there and don't have to be surrounded by Americans on a daily basis, that does wonders for anger management.
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>>61065261
Trump won, as always. Cruz got cocky and destroyed himself.
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>>61073801
>The only person that makes sense is Rand and you all fucking know it

>pro amnesty
>flat tax
>against tariffs or any trade regulation
>anti white
>pro israel
>pro open boarders

>makes sense

you're drunk nip
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>>61067783
SO will you know admit you are our cucks?
>inb4 the story changes
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>>61073550
Do you even military history?
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>>61069257
He got baited into showing his true colors as a Bill mole.
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>>61074013

Typical, Americunt knows so little about the world he doesn't know the Europeans submitted to open cuckdom before his granddad's balls dropped.
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>>61074029
>implying the USA has a history
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>>61073842
>Trump had an embarrassingly terribly night

>schooled everyone on stage on the trade relationship with Trump
>accepted and used the "anger mantle"
>recieved more support of his ideas from Kaisch, Cristie, Rubio, and Cruz then he ever has before

>terrible

Of look, its another retard
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>>61073801
>he's not a smart politician

That's exactly why he's literally the front runner in the republican race

Mate you have no idea what you're talking about, his rhetoric and methods are exactly WHY he's a smart politician. The only one that's even contender for the smarter politician is Ted Cruz, and he got fucking stumped

Also your ideas of how the American people work or what Ulysses would think are also laughably retarded, restrain yourself

>>61073891
I don't understand what you're saying. Are you trying to say that Australians have any kind of capacity to manage their anger? Typical Australian, is so retarded he cannot even form a coherent statement.
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>>61065333
I can't believe he said that haha
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>>61073999
These are Libertarian Views, anon. It's the Compromise Ideology, not the Right or Left wing Ideology.
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>>61068847
Literally clapping as damage control.

Ahahahaa.
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>>61070547
actually this is a comparison to The Producers and when you think about it it actually makes a lot of sense
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>>61073801
Are you mad that trump knows about japan devaluing its currency I bet that's your problem.
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Trump fucking won hard
Cruz made a terrible move attacking Trump in the way he did because Trump pulled cards no one else did

Carson actually had more energy but still was painfully boring (outside of his jokes and stuff)
Kasich did well too but like Carson he was a bit boring and he mostly echoed what everyone was saying just with much more I guess validity
Crispy and rubes went at it again
Cruz and rubes went at it again

Everyone circled around Trump's views on pretty much every issue making them all look stupid
They all said "when I'm president" except for like Trump and Carson because they're all cucks

Best moment of the night had to be Trump's "No" to the Muslim question
Sometimes I forget how smart he is
You don't get "lucky" or whatever in as many times as Trump has without being fucking smart

>>61067396
Because it's the best way to win votes
This election is going to have high voter turnout just for Trump as an example
You can have that intelligent discourse all you want but the fact is that democracy isn't based on intelligent discourse
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>>61069411
>1812
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Even the business news Jew is switching to the Trump train right now.
>http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-15/trump-s-closing-argument-concludes-most-complete-debate-performance-yet

Trump going all out about his love for New York City is going to have a yuge effect. Trump is saving that for the debates with the Dems but he will surely mention that he is one of the most if not the most importnat person in revitalizing NYC around 1980.

I'm still confident Trump can make NYC vote for him and so New York state, which will cripple the opposition.
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>>61074162
That's our natural state mate, you cunts make us homicidal.
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>>61074346
Yes but what a lot of people don't understand is that a lot of people from New England as a whole had people who were killed there, I mean honestly people all over worked there. I believe most of the New England blue will be red this year except for... vermont.
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>>61065333
Trump started off good by invoking based Buckley, but the 9/11 shield was pretty pathetic and something I would expect from a faggot like Krispie Kreme.
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>>61065333
>Questions NY values
>Trump brings up 9/11

You just can't beat this guy
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>>61074439
Nah you're like that on your own, you just can't stop yourselves from doing it if nobody has a gun to do it.
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>>61074346
>I'm still confident Trump can make NYC vote for him and so New York state, which will cripple the opposition.

This

I genuinely think he could flip NY, hes already flipped PA, hes taking away all the places the dems take for granted

California and Minnesota are hopeless, but hes still taking enough of their support it would be a goddamn massacre of an election
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>>61074523

So what you're saying is Trump is a cunt?
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>>61071149
>Cruz got his point across about new york and the audience was cheering and people at home were laughing
The audience cheered for everyone except Trump, and nobody except Cruz supporters thought what Cruz said was funny at all.
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>>61074523
but krispie kreme didn't see it right from his window, he wasn't there to hand out blankets and to rebuild the city like trump did, Trump lived it... Krispie just uses it as an excuse.
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>>61074604
>implying guns are the only way to kill
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>>61065333
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYtbWWmtVYM

Americans are actually this retarded
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>>61073801

Nigger what the fuck are you talking about?
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>>61074123
>Implying your mother doesnt have a history of riding my cock
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>>61070547
>capitalist
>zionist
>wants to kick out anyone who isn't here legally
>for an amendment to the anti-discrimination act that would protect the LGBT community
Sounds like Hitler to me
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I had a weird sensation yesterday. I was listening to everyone on stage, and I liked all of them.

They were saying shit that made sense (besides Carson LMAO), they all seemed to have concern for American interests rather than some idealistic free stuff for all BS.

A GOP executive branch is looking strong.
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>>61074729
>links family goy
>calls others retarded

lmao brits are pathetic
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>>61074771
Sounds good to me family
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>>61067533
this to be honest, shaking my head, family
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>>61074752
>implying you haven't been riding your dad's
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>>61074771
The lgbt community can all die of aids for all I give a fuck
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>>61067603
> boohoo stop criticizing us

Typical americunt cop out to use when they can't face reality
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>>61074689
Well they're obviously fucking not you fucking dumby, and that's exactly why people still manage to kill other people in Australia, it's just that now nobody has an easy and effective way to deter criminals and people that want to kill each other

How the fuck did you loop all the way around to the biggest fucking argument against gun control and why it does not work in its intended capacity, how the fuck did you do that

I typed this post out then remembered you're australian and taking the piss, sorry mate
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>>61067396
milton is a god
thomas sowell is pretty good too
anyone else in their ranks i should know about?
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>>61072950
I didn't get hat, could you please explain?
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>>61074848
Weak banter/ 10
You're a disgrace to your flag
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>>61070299
>>In Cruz's mind as he clapped he was going "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
This about summarizes it.

Also dubs
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>>61067783

Time to man up and take care of your own shit France
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>>61073999
How is he anti-white? he isn't pro israel either, and does not want open border, I mean who comes up with this shit?

>>61074162
>mate
I am not your fucking mate, cunt and he's not a fucking politician you goon, how retarded can you fucking people be? holy shit I hope your economy fails in the next 4 years just for the lulz.

>>61074225
>Japan
>devaluing currency
I think you mean China burger, Japan has a stable currency and why would Japan devaluate it? there's no cheap labor here.

>>61074735
go to bed nigger
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>>61070299
Straya on point
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IMO
>Trump had an excellent performance, stonped out other candidates on most issues especially international economics
>Rubio is asserting himself more, did better than usual, solidified himself as second or third in the race
>Cruz didn't do as well as usual and had to go defence mode several times and use low-blow attacks on some, brought up gay marriage and abortion (give up on it)
>Christie, Kasich had a few good moments each, attacking the dems and calling out some bs here and there
>Carson brought some life into the room surprisingly, made a a few great points when he wasn't totally asleep
>Bush "B-but he said my name"
>
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>>61074490
>>61074610
Yep, but I have specifically NYC in mind. The man is perhaps the biggest NYC legend in the history of the city.

You'd be surprised by how few people know about the less interesting parts of NYC abroad. If people had to name a New Yorker here, it would be Donald Trump.

Every candidate gets a big boost in his home state. Even Nixon and Reagan landslide fell short in the opponents home states. And Trump isn't merely from New York, he's what the city is about.

When taking into account that the rest of New York state is rather Republican, I think the probabilities of New York voting red are rather high. The Dems would never be able to compete without New York.
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>>61074884

S'all good mate, just being a cunt for shits and giggles.
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>>61074931
>implying the Americunt isn't a disgrace to his flag by default
>>
What did kasich say about shillery and herny
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>>61074990
Literally anybody can be a politician, that is the entire point of the democratic republic we have in place. And as it turns out he's a hell of a lot better at it than the career politicians. It's becoming exceedingly clear you are a petulant stunted idiot that turns sour when faced with opposition he cannot overcome.

>>61075080
Wish I realized it sooner and saved myself a bit of trouble desu desu
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>>61065261

Trump won.

Not in a meme way. He actually, truly won, and even the major pundits are saying it. It was by far his most serious composed, informed debate yet. Cruz initially landed punches but then got destroyed. Rubio will continue appealing to the establishment. Christie will appeal to a certain segment of the population. The rest are now irrelevant.
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>>61075115
It's like you're trying really hard here.
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Kasich is a dipshit. What were you faggots watching. He didn't deserve to be up there.
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>>61074990
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>>61075119
>moderators: "...so what if bernie sanders wins the nomination?"
>kasich: "kek, then we'll win ever state"
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>>61065261
Trump asked by the CNN interviewer after the debate, how much money will you be putting in the campaign?

The absolute madman said:
>I am self-funded not like Cruz who took a loan from Goldman-Sachs, and I will be putting between 30-40 millions dollars before the end of the primaries.

She then told him he might need more:
He said (God bless him):
>I will put more, I have a lot, I have unlimited.

The absolute madman.
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>>61075198
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>>61075198
Nor did yeb but he was there just to attack donald.
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>>61075187
>implying everyone but yourself is trying at this point
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>>61065278

After a promising launch, the Cruz missile went off course and shot directly into the North Tower.

Trump secured some dem and independent voters last night.
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>>61067396
>success in business depeonds on close relationships between business and govt.
>favoritism in distribution of legal permits

That sounds like socialism to me boiz.
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>>61075222
THE MADMAN
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>>61075259
I just had sex with my chinese mail order bride while you're sitting there being just as fat as most americans, eating your shitty timtams. don't forget to put vegimite on that.
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>>61075015
Romney didn't get a boost in Massachusetts
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>>61067654
Chinese samurais and how all dominate women are secretly subs in bed
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>>61075305
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>>61075115
Oh come on you can do better than that.
Let me see a real Shitpost
Go to a different room where you can't hear your Sheila taking that big emu cock, and really focus on bringing out that inner aussie shitposting
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>>61075015
Please. New York elected Hillary to the Senate over an ACTUAL NEW YORKER in 2000. They re-elected her in 2006. Also - how did that "home state advantage" work out for Romney? Trump could win a general election but he will never take New York.
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>>61075349

*vegemite

Also, before I forget:

>implying everyone has to pay for chinks to have sex with them
>not just you
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>>61069411

Remember when Britain used to act like this

If Argentina were to invade the Falkands today, your government would issue official instructions for the locals to get on their knees and fellate the invaders, lest some oppressed people of color feel unwelcome
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>>61075222
I HAVE
UNLIMITED
FUNDS
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>>61074610
>California and Minnesota are hopeless,
I think people forget that the Commiefornia meme isn't really that accurate. The Democrats have dominated California only because of ridiculous gerrymandering of the state districts.

The right slightly right of center candidate could take the popular vote.
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>>61075406
Emus are birds, they don't have cocks, you fuckin dumb, stupid, weak, pathetic, white... white, uh... guilt, white guilt, milquetoast piece of human garbage.
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>>61075139
>Literally anybody can be a politician
>This is what Trump supporters believe, ha!

You people are fucking nuts, I don't like Trump but I think if he wins he will run the US to the ground, not only he will most likely create a small war with some shit country for the sake of "we're to be best" etc, your allies will start leaving you one by one, I can see the US economy crippling and Trump getting impeached, mark my words he won't make it.
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>>61075222
>Germany to lead Europe

idk mane
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>>61068847

Holy shit Trump is fucking MASTERFUL

De-fucking-stroyed
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>>61075555
quads confirm

commiefornia is not lost
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>>61073550
>full military force
>vietnam

Pick one.

If the US would have really unleashed their full might in south-east asia that part of the earth would still burn to this day.

They got fucked on the homefront first.
Every weapons cache the US military destroyed in Vietnam was rebuilt in Laos and cambodia. If they had been given a carte blanche they would've easily decimated the NVA.

But politics at home made Vietnam the disaster it was.
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>>61075560
Fuck off gazorpazorpfield
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>>61067761
>Romney
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>>61065278
I think trump hit him hard with the 9/11 thing. Definitely made his smiley prick face receed a bit
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>>61065502
Read the constitution.
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>>61075578
>pretends to know anything about US politics when he cannot even grasp the idea that one of the core principles behind our government is that anybody can run for offices if they think they can do better and have the backing of voters

wew lad

What do you have to say for yourself before I give you a detention to be served after class?
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>>61067396
Because people overhear are dumb toothpaste flag.
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>>61065333
Damn, gotta admit that Trump played the 9/11 card perfectly there.
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>>61075560
Ah, getting better. But still pathetic, like your pecker m8.
What are you gonna do when Canadian Chang comes and Shitposts all over you? You gonna stand there and take it like a street in India? Or are you gonna put the chunk in his place?
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>>61075578
Trump is the only nonwarmonger protectionist on the ballot. He wants out of the Middle East. He was against Iraq he was against Syria.

He wants safe borders and to spend money at home. No one has ever given a valid answer as to why we take a million immigrants each year when we have 10s of mills out of work
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>>61067396
Because we are bankrupt.
200 trillion in unfunded liabilities coming down the pike.
Dollar destruction in unavoidable in the future.
>>
you missed some pretty hilarious trump cruz truther bantz

it was pretty cringey and me and friends were dying laughing and screaming nooo trump dont stump yoursellfffff

best thing trump could have done is just agreed with cruz that it was a waste of time and lets get back to the more important issues, then started bashing hilldog
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>>61075444
To be fair there are a ton of repubs in Upstate NY, and Trump has been courting a large share of Dem support. Also, Trump has been a prominent figure in NYC for decades now. There's a possibility of Trump winning NY, but I agree that it is extremely unlikely
>Romney didn't win Mass
Was he even a good governor? Also, Romney was just a terrible choice anyways
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>>61074037
I think you need to show me the true color options I will have to paint the wall with at the home depot my friend.

Don't forget your paying.
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>>61068847
hahaha, fucking idiot is so used to divide and conquer tactics, he forgot he was talking to his own party.
next he'll be calling the whole east coast degenerates.
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>>61074729
This is a ulta-trigger for me. People filming scenes from shows they like but laughing over the footage. Whats the fucking purpose. What an asshole.
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>tfw no gf to watch the debates and root for trump together and literally everyone I know is vehemently against trump
Fuck my life. Fuck this place. Fuck absolutely everything.
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>>61073256

So basically it comes down to:

Cruz wants to insukt New York (the state with the 2nd highest number of electoral votes)

Trump wants to win New York (like Reagan did, which would make it mathematically impossible for the Democrats to get the white house for generations)

Cruz looked like a fucking fool.
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>>61074541
this. holy fuck lol. trump card activated.
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>>61076066
>not becoming a us citizen

What are your waiting for Hanz?
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>>61065823
>its settled
oh dude weed lmao, fuck you're retarded.
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>>61075359
>>61067179
Name of the vn pls
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>>61065333
Cruz was talking about their values, not their competence in dealing with 9/11.
Trump is one manipulative son of a bitch.

>>61065823
Obama had to cheat to get gay marriage passed.
It is a winning issue, you're just a faggot cancuck and can't see it.

>hurr Ireland voted for gay marriage
only homosexuals and their families showed up for the fucking referendum because we were all guilted for being "homophobic bigots" for not wanting it.
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>>61065261
pol will just say Fatty Bankrupt is the winner because he pays them to shitpost with dads money
>>
I work for a super pac here's my take

Marco was able to establish himself as the runaway establishment lane candidate. Bush failed to save face and will drop out after he fails at new Hampshire. Christie did enough to stay alive and kasich tried hard but has a chance to take 4th or 3rd in new Hampshire.
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>>61074774

It was the best debate yet. The gap between the adult GOP and childlike Dems couldn't be more apparent.
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>>>61075305
the madman is hard carry. He invested alot in america, then america went ape shit and his investments plummets so he needs to become the president of U.S to fix economy and shit for at least 4 years in order to go back to his own business and finish the job. ggwp
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>>61073163
Are his daughters twins?
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>>61076294

>Trump is one manipulative son of a bitch.

That he is, it was a great move on his part
>>
Even reddit agreed that Trump won, he totally destroyed all competition.
Cruz made a complete fool of himself.
Carson challenging Jeb for worst candidate.
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>>61076252
Maji de Watashi ni Koishinasai!
now buy me a lambo Kuwaiti bro.
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>>61065278
>>61068430
>>61072376


Trump WRECKED Cruz on New york debate. so what are u guys talking about??
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>>61065261
>What were the highlights?
Muh 9/11
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>>61076147
But I want to live in my own country. I just want the outsiders to leave already.
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>>61075651
We won't be asking.
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>>61068847
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>>61076470
Become the change you want, you know what you must do
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i like the Chris Christie guy. he looks and sounds like a normal American. Cruz gives off homo vibes
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>>61076401
nah, kaisch just has really strong downsy genes
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>>61065318
what's that from? i liike the .. art.

if it's not porn nvm
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>>61065823
red meats for the idiots.
the dog whistle works. you think the idiots except the idea that gays should be free to live their lives? not a chance. republicans can turn on or off the hate as easily as you can work a light switch
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>>61069683

This place is no different form Tumblr except they're on opposite sides of the spectrum. It's a circle jerk here.
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>>61075578

What reality do you live in?

Trump is the biggest non-interventionist dove in this race other than Bernie or Rand. Trump opposed the invasion of Iraq, opposed intervention in Libya, opposes stepping up the Syrian war, wants to de-escalate tensions with Russia, and says Crimea should remain a "European issue". Compared to Hillary he looks like Gandhi.
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>>61076527
Shitpost and complain on /pol/? Alright, I'll do it.
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>>61072939
>he thinks our crime is remotely high outside of nigger areas
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>>61076671
Yeah, I'm not advocating violence or anything like that
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>>61076639

Go back to your igloo Justin
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>>61076686
funny how americans totally missed the banks and mic just looted to country.
must be too focused on keeping the second class in line
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>>61076589
>t. dick chugging homofag
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cruz missile sunk uss trump

all he could gurgle out on the way down was 'muh 9/11'
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We are all absolutely FUCKED.

/Thread
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>>61076958
hahaha you offended that gays have rights?
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>>61076983
I think they hit close but his anti air system knocked them outside of the sky for the most part
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Is Trump just a meme? Will people get tired of him?
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>>61077061
Not in my country they don't, faggot.
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>>61065333
>Dat vid

Holy shiiiiieeet. Cruz shoots himself with a shotgun, and Trump just fucking stomps on the wound on live tv.

Cruz got BTFO
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>>61077093
KONY 2012!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1FKS1SHSsc
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>>61065305
>\threading your own thread
I..I'm so embarrassed for you...
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Why did Cruz walk into the 9/11 trap? If he or his staff did a cursory scan of the media outlets someone has already brought it up and what Trump would likely reply with but he still stepped on a live mine.
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>>61070219
>Why did the GOP agree to so many debates
because they actually have a large roster of candidates and issues that must be covered.
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>>61075198
>not jeskai colors
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>>61075444
Rick Lazio was a nobody, Trump is a NYC legend.
Trump is the only Repub who has the real chance to flip NYC red for him.
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When trump wins he needs to help europe out. He needs to. Send some of your greatness over here please.
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>>61075968
I'm from Upstate NY and the "Upstate is Republican!" meme is bullshit. It is certainly not as liberal as New York City, but it is still about as blue as Wisconsin and Michigan. Most of the people upstate still live in and around cities, which are smoldering ruins of what they once were thanks to NYC politicians running the state. Republican voters are leaving for greener pastures and what's left is a welfare shithole full of the worst Democrat leechers.

Upstate hasn't voted for a Republican president since 1988, btw.
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>>61068936
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei
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>>61077657
You make your bed, now sleep in it.
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>>61077657

I hope it will be a loud signal to the entire Western world.
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>>61077816
>Upstate hasn't voted for a Republican president since 1988, btw.

So its about time
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>>61072760
You can never have enough 40k
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Trump probably won.

Highlights:

Cruz saying "the next president is on the stage" then pointing at Trump.

Cruz trying to stump trump with the canadian birther thing. Didn't really work, but he got his message across.

Cruz getting rekt by his fuckup on forms.

Carson getting a question about war tactics against isis with regard to the fact that they aren't a nation then going off about emps and using big words. Also Carson looking straight up drugged.

Jeb being rekt by Trump

Christie bodyslamming rubio for no reason

Cruz trying to stump trump by saying he has "new york values." Trump responds by invoking 9/11 beautifully about how New York values after 9/11 were amazing and inspiring. Cruz got literally cucked -- he fucking clapped at Trumps come back.
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Cruz handled the birther shit pretty well. It's obvious he expected that. He didn't completely put it to rest, but he made a good case.

Trump handled the trade agreements with China pretty well, except he says China in a weird way, and he kept saying it. Chiayna.

Jeb was desperate for speaking time, like the pathetic cuck he is.
>I was mentioned, and I want a chance to speak.

Rubio is a disingenuous snake, and proved that he's more of the same neocon garbage.

Carson made a joke about falling asleep early on. It was amusing, but his polling numbers are plummeting as people start to take the race seriously.

Crispie Creme and Kasich were irrelevant and stupid, as usual.

>>61070249
Ben Carson is calling for an end to the Race War? What Race War? Is that some BLM shit? Maybe it's a signal to his black brothers to vote for him in the primary, which is stupid.
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>>61065278
This

They may hate Ted in New York now but they love him in Iowa after the "New York Values" exchange. Top that off with how Ted answered the birther question and there is no doubt he won this one.
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>>61076531
christie has those english genetics. no wonder you can relate to him
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>>61075555
Good to know man. California is beautiful, was there over the summer.
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>>61073801
Grant was a Northern general...
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>>61065333
If New York values are regarded as too liberal why the fuck would Canada be regarded as someplace he should go?
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>>61065305
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>>61065261
Guys I passed out last night at 4am and missed the last half hour. I was at the point where the mods avoided Trump for a bit, then I had a dream about what happened after. High point was Cruz tripping Trump up with Trumps weakest point but short after he went 9/11 then got Cruz control for the debate I was awake for.

What happened in the last half hour and the post debate threads?
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>>61078419
>Top that off with how Ted answered the birther question

Its all total bullshit though. Ted is a great debater, but no matter what he says, it is a legal fact that there has never been any final ruling that would confirm if Ted is eligible to be President, and the chance of Democrats suing on this point are, literally, 100%.
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>>61068936
Jeb has such a nice voice. i hope he wins it.
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Trump, Cruz, and Christie are up in betting markets. Rubio and Bush are down.

Trump didn't really say anything that would destroy him, especially since nothing else has taken him down. Cruz did decently, but I'm still convinced he's peaking in the polls. His appeal is mostly limited to evangelicals, which didn't make Huckabee or Santorum relevant in 2008 or 2012. Maybe I'm still mad they beat Ron Paul, and hoping Trump wins.

People are losing hope in the traditional establishment characters. Trump is finally winning the betting markets. Bush is still irrelevant. As Rubio hits his ceiling and enters irrelevance, maybe people will shift to Christie, since his New Hampshire numbers are still decent.

https://www.predictit.org/Market/1233/Who-will-win-the-2016-Republican-presidential-nomination
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>>61076583
http://exhentai.org/g/565691/2ba93d2ed6/
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>>61078915
The Democrats will never sue because they would be revealing their hypocrisy compared to how they reacted to the Obama birther questions. And even if they did the suit would fail. As Cruz pointed out McCain already stands as a precedent.
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>>61079233

Nope. This is not the 1960s, where the press had parties had boundaries, and even JFK's opponents wouldn't mention his adultery that they were well aware of. These days there are too many fringe outlets on the far right and left for ANY possibly issue to not be raised against a candidate.

The Hillary campaign won't sue, but anonymous superpacs will. The New York Times might not make it a front page issue, but HuffPo, Salon, and Mother Jones sure as hell will.

Its not an issue of causing Cruz fans to drop their support- its an issue of the non particularly well-informed 4% of the country in the middle who truly decide elections. A law suit would likely not be successful but it will plant seeds of doubt in many minds.
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>>61079233

McCain was born a US soil, a US military base. Cruz was born in Canada and was a Canadian citizens as recently has 18 months ago.

I think he's eligible and I think he should be eligible. But it literally has never gone to court or been officially decided upon.
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