>>61061643 "He wouldn't have turned out like his countrymen at all" "Hit body wasn't even moved to take opportunistic photos" "He would have cured AIDS and cancer and remained celibate while championing women's and gay rights"
>>61061643 The only one to blame about that kid's death is his retarded piece of shit of a father. They were in turkey but he wanted them gibsmedat and risked his familys life for it. Now get fucked to be honest
>>61061643 >He could have been anything. True. He could have been a suicide bomber, an ISIL enforcer, a paedophile, or all of the above. It's pretty bigoted to say he could only have managed to be a rapist tbqh.
>>61062179 >More time to civilise the poor bastard. We have Muslims in Belgium that are second or even third generation, and yet the Muslim statistics on crime, unemployment, education, ... in Belgium are absolutely horrendous.
There's a reason why four years ago Merkel, Cameron, Sarokozy, and many other EU leaders said multiculturalism has failed.
>>61061347 >Africans and Arabs riot over something insignificant >OH MY GOD THESE FILTHY FUCKING N*GGERS AND SUB-HUMANS WHEN THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO KILL THEM ALL, TO DEATH?!!?!
>whites riot over something insignificant >u-uh w-well you see it's okay when whites do it because technically other group do it more, but only when you factor in the population size and reduce by a log scale of 10 and integrate with respect to the correlation ratio and uh it's just not even the same thing. Fucking tumblr and reddit shitting up my board ugh I just cannot even right now I just can't!
>>61062747 >worth a good college try We gave over a million """""refugees""""" a college try over the past few months, and things are turning out pretty shitty. Conflicts at refugee centres, massive reports of rape (including Cologne), actual terrorists coming in among them (Paris attack and others), ...
According to some Muslim jurists, the jizya had to be paid by each person at a humiliating public ceremony, in which the person was struck on the head or the nape of the neck. According to historian Bat Ye’or, this ceremony “survived unchanged till the dawn of the twentieth century.”
Both the jizya and the land tax were often extorted through torture, and were frequently so exorbitant that whole villages would flee or go into hiding.
Technically, then, Christians and Jews were not forced to accept Islam at the point of a sword. But their treatment nonetheless placed them under severe pressure to convert.
And many idolaters were not even allowed to pay the jizya. They were forced to either convert or die.
>>61062954 >The Paris terrorists were Belgian citizens. Some of them, sure.
Like I said, these people aren't civilizing, even after being in Europe for multiple generations.
There were also actual recent """""refugees""""" among them. And at least one of the Belgians went to Syria and came back here among the """""refugees""""".
>can I get a source on the crime rate rise and college thing? This link shows that nearly 50% of our national prison population is Muslim: http://www.bladna.nl/belgie-moslim-gedetineerden,06100.html Do your own research if you want to know more.
>>61062520 >whites riot over something insignificant >whites >chimping out you mean that time some white people took over an unoccupied government building in the middle of nowhere and slightly inconvenienced almost no one, truly it matches the Benghazi attacks
I'm sure that has a lot less to do with race and more to do with socioeconomic status. It's the same thing with blacks in America; they commit more crimes because they're fucking poor as shit. It's the same reason why Asian Americans commit a lot less crimes.
“In the name of Allah, the compassionate, the merciful. This is what Khalid ibn al-Walid would grant to the inhabitants of Damascus if he enters therein: he promises to give them security for their lives, property, and churches. Their city shall not be demolished, neither shall any Muslim be quartered in their houses. Thereunto we give them the pact of Allah and the protection of his Prophet, the caliphs, and the believers. So long as they pay the poll tax, nothing but good shall befall them."
That's the thing. The Asians that come to your country are all the best and brightest. India and China are what the late Terry Prattchet likes to call 'crab buckets', in that crabs are so fucking stupid, that they pull down any other crabs that try to escape, which is why you don't need to secure that bucket. Only the strongest and smartest grabs get out.
These people would have absolutely zero reason to commit crimes. Poorer people, on the other hand, turn to crime when their jobs won't support them.
>>61063075 I can corroborate this sorry. The village my family came from back in Greece was said to have been because some guy followed a pig and when he found it it was so beautiful everyone moved there. In reality it was to avoid the Turks high up in the mountains for this very reason.
I don't mind the whole negative narrative about muslims nowadays. I just hate when people travesty the past, they did great things for humankind. They did once they might be able to come back from the abyss. Unlike niggers who still live in mud huts.
>>61064055 I'm trying to separate the Muslims and the Muslim lovers on this board, it's getting hard to tell.
>>61064074 Ok so you're the second group, explain this: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/634815/Cologne-attacks-fury-migrant-sex-cover-up-refugee-event-groping-Germany These people were treating the refugees humanely, doing effort to make them as comfortable as possible. It turned into a mass sexual assault fest. Same for the Köln attacks. Or the ones in Hamburg. Or Stuttgart. Or Berlin. Or München.
>>61062930 he only gets lashed if he's too much of an autist to pay the fine >visit country >signs say don't litter >very easy to not litter >litter anyway >get caught >get fined >$300 fine, let's not pay it
>>61064265 Since you are from Singapore there are four likely scenarios of who you are. I'll discuss them one by one. Malaysian: Mudslime. No surprises here Indian: POO White: Probably has Sweden in your blood or attends refugees welcome parties regularly. Chinese: I don't have a real response here, but as a Chinese I can assure the rest of you guys that almost all of us are ultra-conservative and this cuck is a rare exception. Probably grew up with reddit-tier Western education.
Assumptions make an ass out of you and me. The foreign minister was riding off the assumption that they'd be taking 190,000 refugees every year, and not only for two at most while we sort the situation out back in their homes. She said that 'in the long run', it'd collapse, and provided no local evidence of problems being caused.
I don't see how a kid having to flee his home country because of a civil war and drowning trying to go somewhere for a better life is equal to some kid randomly dying in a mudslide. Both are sad, but one is a lot more so than the other.
>>61064509 >have to have lashes to enforce the laws. Here in Australia, people when going to a river/bush automatically bring their own plastic bags themselves to keep the place clean - no one enforces that but we do it anyway. Asians need harsh punishment to be socially responsible.
Asians aren't even consider adults in my eyes cause you all greedy, need some cool expensive toys to win influence and my God constantly find ways to look down upon others to make themselves feel superior (for what?).
>>61064828 My grandma was forced to carry supplies for occupying soldiers during WWII. She once walked for at least an entire day without food and her feet were swollen for a week after the fact. She was 6. I'm sorry that war is terrible, but it's also a reality. We can't take care of the entire world, it's just not possible; nor is it our responsibility.
>>61064715 >crime is bad how Wew lad. Don't worry, it's not just the mudshits who are getting raped en masse. >Same, because you decided it'd be so clever to link the same story twice. I like to find multiple sources on the same story when I can, it gets less biased.
>The actions of a school without consulting the refugees themselves are somehow the fault of the refugees? >implying the school wasn't told to do it by those higher up That article has a good link on the rape of sweden. http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
>Assumptions make an ass out of you and me. The foreign minister was riding off the assumption that they'd be taking 190,000 refugees every year, and not only for two at most while we sort the situation out back in their homes. She said that 'in the long run', it'd collapse, and provided no local evidence of problems being caused. Assumptions about cancer being cancer are shit now? >no problems being caused http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/18/swedish-private-housing-sector-refugees http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/lawrence-solomon-swedens-governments-collapsing-under-weight-of-refugees http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-11/massive-coverup-exposed-sweden-media-cops-hid-migrant-sex-attacks
>>61065158 Maybe if his countrymen and parents didn't flee and instead fought for their country this needless waste of life could be minimized. The fact is that thousands have died trying to make the journey to Europe and their blood is not on Assad's hands, it's on those of people like you; who encourage them to do so.
>>61065232 How does Syria being in a civil war entitle everyone in the country to a standard of living on par with France and the UK? You act as if these countries have always had it this good and they have a moral responsibility to everyone else in the entire world. It's just not true, nor feasible. Get real.
>>61065232 >I don't want to live in my decent-but-kinda-shit country any more That's not what assylum is for. Do you think everyone from Asia or Europe has the right to "flee" to America, or Norway, or whichever country is the "best" without going through proper procedure?
There are enough sources in this thread to prove our points about rapefugees (this should be word of the year 2016 tbqh famiglia). Whoever still claims this is just a tiny minority/isolated cases, well..the year has only started, and carnival in Germany is coming.
>Assumptions about cancer being cancer are shit now?
Once again, at what point was it guaranteed that 190,000 refugees would be taken in every year for quite some time to come now, and when was it guaranteed that those refugees would be in Europe permanently? Soon as Syria has been stabilised, send them back.
>http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/18/swedish-private-housing-sector-refugees >private companies have been accused of charging exorbitant amounts to help the government find accommodation for more than 80,000 people who have made it to Sweden this year. >The board had lowered its standards to attract more offers of accommodation, and is seeking 30,000 more beds by the end of the year – “a huge number”, Furegård said.
Are you seriously implying that's the fault of the refugees?
>municipalities will need to increase the tax rate by 2 per cent
The end of times is upon us.
>The Swedish Migration Board is also feeling the financial strain. With governments unable to meet the demand for services, the private sector is stepping in, draining government coffers. Companies in the elder care business have branched into child care, charging the state $9,000 a month per child. The cost to place a child in a foster home is $13,000 per month. With Sweden expected to receive as many as 180,000 asylum requests this year, refugees have become one of the country’s largest industries, representing 4 per cent of Sweden’s 2016 budget. >4 percent
I'll see you on the other side.
>The municipality of Trelleborg in the south of Sweden, population 43,000, which received 14,100 asylum seekers in a 20-day period
>>61065930 Do you have the funds to setup 30 million people and their inevitable hundreds of millions of descendants? Do you have the land to do so? Why do they even have a country at that point? Since your solution is to take care of them cradle to grave and set them up in already developed countries.
>>61065854 >Once again, at what point was it guaranteed that 190,000 refugees would be taken in every year for quite some time to come now, and when was it guaranteed that those refugees would be in Europe permanently? Soon as Syria has been stabilised, send them back. > and when was it guaranteed that those refugees would be in Europe permanently? Soon as Syria has been stabilised, send them back. >Soon as Syria has been stabilised, send them back. >send them back.
You flee your war torn country and end up in the land of milk and honey (in their eyes). Syria or w/e shithole they all came from stabilizes again and the friendly leftist government asks "Hey dudes, don't you want to go back to your home?" to which they'll all reply "this is our home now", because none of them would want to do the effort of rebuilding their home country, I can assure you that.
>>61066006 Knowing our countries, the police would arrest the few men trying to defend the women from being assaulted and let the peaceful immigrants enrich whatever they see with a heartbeat.
>>61066121 There have been plenty of arguments and facts presented that show brown parasites like you are nothing but a drag on our example of the height of human civilization. I myself don't need to prove shit to some Indonesian sweatshop vermin like you
>>61066181 >contributing to the Swedish economy and have been successfully integrated, then let them stay; it is their home. Fucking lol. Let this statement be a fucking reminder to any of you fence sitters to never let these shits have any say when it comes to governing.
>>61065854 >Once again, at what point was it guaranteed that 190,000 refugees would be taken in every year for quite some time to come now, and when was it guaranteed that those refugees would be in Europe permanently? Assumptions about 'refugees' being cancer friendo. Their collapse in the case of continuous housing of those pests is of no surprise to anyone. >Soon as Syria has been stabilised, send them back. Oh yes, it's not like some of them are already going rogue or anything. I'm sure Ahmed will peacefully return to his shithole because we all know that he has only the best of intentions. https://www.muenchen.tv/share/134859/
>Are you seriously implying that's the fault of the refugees? They are the source of the problem.
>The end of times is upon us. For sweden and Norway it is. Parasites are not cheap you know. http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/nov/23/aid-cuts-refugees-extremism-thrive-sweden-norway
>I'll see you on the other side. I sure hope so.
>Move them North. And into the rich suburbs? Kek the leftists aren't this stupid.
>>61065930 They are not even real refugees, Muhammad.
>>61066343 I mean what do you want me to respond to? Your position is that refugees are above the law and entitled to do whatever they want and call any country their new home as long as they meet your abstract standard of "contributing to society". That's not exactly a position that any rational person can converse about. In fact it's pure insanity, and should be treated as such.
>mfw other countries bend over backwards for freedom of religion >mfw there are people of other religions living in my country >mfw fuck other religions, I could ban it if I were king or some shit >mfw I literally am royalty
>>61066181 That's exactly the point, they are not integrating and they are not being sent back. You wonder why people start doing/saying 'inhumane' things towards these immigrants, there's the reason. That's why many here support right wing parties more and more. With good reason
>>61066681 There's a quasi-official rule not to collect figures based on race/religion/ethnicity, but sometimes these figures do come out.
Like the fact that half our prison population is Muslim. This gives you a good indication of what's going on with the crime rates.
As for petty crime; the Netherlands are in a comparable situation, and a study there showed that half of Moroccan youths face police at one point for petty crime before they're 23. http://nos.nl/artikel/167467-helft-marokkaanse-jongens-in-aanraking-met-politie.html
As for unemployment and crime; I can also give you this rundown regarding the city of Ghent, which is a socialist bastion that loves to coddle Muslims and has a very large immigrant population (25%). This is a city that banned the term "allochtoon" (ethnic minority) because it wasn't PC enough. This city likes to present itself as THE pinnacle of successful multiculturalism.
Here are some figures for this city of Ghent: 25% ethnic minority population (overwhelmingly Muslim) BUT 46% of all unemployed are ethnic minorities 60% of "survival benefits" recipients are ethnic minorities 69% of ethnic minority children are missing from kindergarten. 40% of ethnic minority youths do not graduate (mandatory) high school. Only 4.4% of ethnic minorities go to the university of Ghent
And then there are notorious (mostly Turkish) ghettos of Ghent: Rabot, Muide, Dampoort, ... where Muslims dictate their own laws, and homosexuals are openly assaulted.
Do more to integrate them, and if that fails send them back at the end of the war. As said earlier, the governments are being way too soft on them. Sure, they may have gone through some shit, but they need to understand that they're in a different country now, and they need to respect that country's laws. A zero-tolerance policy is what I favour.
>>61067344 >Do more to integrate them We've done enough, cheap housing, good welfare, education, integration lessons, even fucking 'How to behave around women' lessons >and if that fails send them back at the end of the war. No one wants to keep these ticking timebombs (sometimes literally) around until the end of the war, what insane reaction is this? "Oh ok you are misbehaving, but you can stay here until your place is safe again, we wouldn't want you to get hurt!" >the governments are being way too soft on them. >A zero-tolerance policy is what I favour.
Everyone with half a braincell that isn't shared by the entire family knows this, but if you expect us (the people who have to live day in day out with these..'refugees') to just tolerate everything until everything is fixed, you're shit out of luck.
You say we're being too soft on them, yet you bash on the people who actually try to stand up to these criminals just because we're not being nice anymore. You see all those attacks on migrants right after the Köln thing exploded in the media? That's only the beginning. I don't want to imagine what it would be like if shit hits the fan during carnival.
why did noone outrage about that a human trafficker who is sound and safe with free housing in turkey with his family got his non swimmer familiy on an inflatable boat with may cap. for 8 people without life jacket with 15 others to traffick them to greece and who is therefore accountable for the death of his family and 7 other humans due to his greed and inabiltiy to take responsabiltiy and care for his family. Why is noone rageing about that you fuckers discusting nonsense shit emotional and media controlled bluepilled soon goatfuckers.
You have no right telling Europeans what to do. Your country was founded after race riots, and now you're all multi-racial/post-racial and all that stuff (and you'll probably get your ass caned if you say anything racist online, right?)
But understand that European countries have existed as nations for literally 1,500 years (that's right, 60 times the age of your country), and have no intention of being drowned in Africans or Middle Eastern people.
>>61067304 >do more to integrate them Of course,it's the governments fault that are uneducated savages,they just didn't throw enough money at them. It has nothing to do with the fact that the place where they come from is a desert with 12-century tier structure of society,and nothin to do with the fact that they would rather convert the residents of the country rather than change their chimp ways.
>>61067740 >It's not MY fault you guys haven't been rooting out and sending back the troublemakers. I just think that all refugees shouldn't suffer for the actions of some.
No one is blaming you personally, but we always see these refugees/migrants do shit, they get arrested for half an hour, get a note saying 'bad bad boy, don't do it again' and are off on the streets again. Meanwhile protesters against immigration and the people who are actually defending our people from these monkeys are being arrested and kept in prison.
The only thing that surprises me is that we haven't fought back sooner. But it is certainly no surprise that right wing activists/political parties are gaining a lot of support, with (like I said before) very good reason. All we need is a strong right wing leadership right now without any politically correct nonsense to clean up this mess. And sure there will be collateral damage, people might be deported who actually are integrated together with the monkeys that didn't integrate, but at this point no one would even care anymore.
>>61068386 Well if you didn't imply it was the governments fault,who are those mystical they that should have done more to integrate the barbarians? A zero-tolerance policy would be to just not let them in. How is it our problem,and by our,I mean the civilized world,that their country turned into a shithole? You should never forget that we are doing them a huge favour by taking in even a thousand of them,an owe them absolutely nothing.
>And sure there will be collateral damage, people might be deported who actually are integrated together with the monkeys that didn't integrate, but at this point no one would even care anymore.
Maybe you should deport people on the basis of them committing a crime, no matter what it may be (exempting incurring a parking ticket). Not only does it set a harsh example, but it also, as said earlier, gets rid of the problem makers.
>>61068202 Doesn't change the fact that we have more poor Belgians than poor Muslims.
55.6% of Moroccans: 175.462 people 58.7% of Turks: 102.523 people Together: 277.985 people (they alone make up about half of all ethnic minorities in Belgium)
10.16% of ethnic Belgians: 972.818 people.
So even if the other half of Belgian ethnic minorities that aren't Moroccan/Turkish have the same poverty rate, you get this: Poor ethnic minorities: 555.970 people Poor ethnic Belgians: 972.818 people
Nearly twice as many poor Belgians as poor ethnic minorities.
>How is it our problem,and by our,I mean the civilized world,that their country turned into a shithole?
It has everything to do with the civilised world. Syria and Iraq are the results of America, Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Iran fucking around where they shouldn't have been, and America definitely has a responsibility to take in refugees. Even if you don't owe them anything, it's not like that prohibits you from taking them in.
>>61068756 >. Even if you don't owe them anything, it's not like that prohibits you from taking them in. Why would you wanna do that? To get a bunch of uneducated uncivilized idiots and spend money to try to integrate them,which be an exercise in futility,since most of them don't want to change anyway?
>>61068987 You know,a lot of people here say them same about Chechens swarming the central part of Russia,that not all of them are savages,that they know a couple good ones and so on and so forth. But a few good Muslims are not worth the risk of letting them all come here. We have a proverb : "Лec pyбят - щeпки лeтят" the literal translation is while cutting down timber you always gonna have a few splinters. It's said that the aforementioned educated ones won't get in,but that's the price you pay to hold at bay the swarms of savages.
>>61068873 If you think we live in a cozy society where the minorities behave well, we don't. Not until a few decades ago. We were having, as you know, a ton of race riots. I don't support multiculturalism, it's better to say I support meritocracy. I support looking at individuals rather than a demographic. It's a moral standpoint that each individual dictates his own actions, not the actions if his race, family or friend, so he should be treated as such. It is also logically inconsistent to not support meritocracy. I could slice up the population in many ways, socio-economic status, ethnicity, religion, ancestry and there will be a demographic that is better.
Roosevelt put it nicely >I have not been able to think out any solution of the terrible problem offered by the presence of the Negro on this continent, but of one thing I am sure, and that is that inasmuch as he is here and can neither be killed nor driven away, the only wise and honorable and Christian thing to do is to treat each black man and each white man strictly on his merits as a man, giving him no more and no less than he shows himself worthy to have.[
>>61068943 >a nation has no surplus What are you, Greece? >>61068947 What about the hundreds of thousands of migrants who haven't done anything? >>61068954 Yes, that would be appropriate. >>61069009 You misunderstand me on two things.
1)By help I meant give them the means to work and contribute and receive, not charity. Education, job opportunities, social mobility et cetera.
2)I meant render help as long as it doesn't suffer more than it helps.
>>61069207 >implying the PAP wouldn't if we ran out of Chinamen to import
>>61069975 This is kind of ironic considering Singapore isn't exactly the best place for free speech Remember when we arrested that teenager for talking shit about LKY and Christians? Sure he was a little shit, but that was a pretty clear violation of free speech.
>/pol/ completely missing that the cartoon was satirizing the reactionary backlash over the Cologne attack and that Charlie Hebdo is anything but based Sasuga /pol/. The fact that the leftist idiots don't get it either doesn't make it any better.
>>61069547 If one person deserves meritocracy, so does the other. It's the fundamental tenet of it. If we stand by and do nothing while we could increase meritocracy, it's the same as taking away meritocracy.
However I don't support taking refugees entirely because the countries don't want to. The EU has strong feelings against refugees. It would be better if they were willing to help but accepting refugees isn't going to change that.
What the fuck are you even talking about? You asserted that the Singaporean population was smaller than the number of refugees. You were wrong by a margin of 100% (give or take about 5). I'm not the retard here.
>>61060732 All of a sudden twitter jockeys will be torn between their fondness for defending the forms of free speech that they find palatable and the actual principles of free speech. YOU COULDN'T SCRIPT THIS SHIT.
>>61060732 and now you forget the substance, instead of doing the obvious on an image board thatll be to reproduce the cartoon, paying due respect to these fellow edgelords. Just like the faggots holding up pens last january.
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