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Did the God Emperor have any noteworthy moments or problems during the debate?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGIPcOlFR8k

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>>61047332
Dodging the fact that Jew Yorkers are SJW gun-hating scum that wouldn't defend the constitution by invoking 9/11.
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>>61047332
Trump handled himself well. Crowd was full of shills who booed Trump and Cruz.
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>>61047446
> They don't like that he beats the rest of the field because they want me

BTFO
The absolute madman
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>>61047787
You don't insult an entire state of people like that. Trump was right to be offended.
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>>61047332

He effectively ended Cruz's campaign tonight. With a 9/11 reference, no less.
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>>61048000
BASED ADAMS
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>>61047332
He made a terrible mistake that is most likely going to cost him Iowa and is going to drop his poll numbers significantly. He went after Cruz for about 5 minutes. It was a split screen where it showed him and Cruz and Cruz was looking very humble and actually a little upset that Trump was going into him like that. Cruz came back and definitely won the debate between the two of them and made Trump look a little foolish. First time I've seen Trump on the defensive.

Had it been any other candidate it would have been just a classic Trump moment but since him and Cruz are essentially going after the same people it will likely not sit well with the anti establishments and Cruz will benefit from the exchange.
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Here's one of the highlights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH44fRutAb8
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>>61047935

A more directed attack would've been better. He lumped in the NYPD and FDNY in a blind haymaker for Trump. He practically asked for that one.
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>>61047446
I'll give Cruz credit on that one. He came out swinging and was funny. But it's hard to beat Trump's charisma and straight up facts.
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POLLS (20 total, posted in order discovered):

http://drudgereport.com/nowsc.htm

http://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/who-do-you-think-won-thursday-nights-gop-debate-take-our-poll

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/01/who_will_win_tonights_republican_presidential_deba_1.html

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/01/gop_presidential_debate_poll_d.html

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-01-14/live-sixth-republican-presidential-debate-1-14-2016

redstatewatcher.com/poll.asp?id=546

http://politics.heraldtribune.com/2016/01/14/poll-who-won-the-gop-debate-2/

http://heavy.com/news/2016/01/gop-debate-poll-trump-cruz-bush-rubio-christie-carson-kasich/

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/01/who_won_the_republican_presidential_debate_vote_in_our_poll.html

http://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/83766657-poll-who-won-the-republican-debate

http://poll.pollcode.com/58233619

http://postonpolitics.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/01/14/poll-who-won-the-sixth-gop-debate/

http://fox5sandiego.com/2016/01/14/poll-who-won-the-6th-gop-debate/

http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/01/poll_who_won_thursdays_republican_2016_presidential_debate.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/polls/2016/jan/14/who-won-6th-republican-presidential-debate/

http://www.kogo.com/common/poll/goprace-debate.php

https://www.gop.com/who-won-debate/?utm_campaign=HQ_debates_who-won-republican-debate&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=rnc_20160114_HQ_debates_who-won-republican-debate_twt-timeline_spheres-won

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/national/365383121.xhtml
Polls that Trump is LOSING:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/01/14/blaze-poll-who-won-the-south-carolina-gop-debate/

https://twitter.com/andrewklavan/status/687848122395983872
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Cruz plays the new york sucks card, it's up..OH TRUMP COUNTERS WITH A 9/11 STORY, THE TEARS ARE FLOWING, THE FEEL STRINGS HAVE BEEN PLUCKED......STUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMPPPPPEEDDD
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Off topic, but does anybody have a picture of a white lady sucking a black cock. I need it because reasons. Thank you
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>>61047332
He got boo-ed constantly
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>>61047332
Trumps best debate
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>>61048182
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>>61048096

Not bloody likely. Trump has the legendary item "The Mantle of Anger." Cruz can't even compete, all he has is the "Weaselhide of technical citizenship."
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>>61047935
I think Cruz was insulting the city of New York, not the whole state. You can be offended if you want, but he wasn't wrong in saying it.

Pretty much Trumps whole angle is "Say it if it's true and fuck PC faggots" (which I completely respect him for) so it's a little disingenuous of him to retaliate.
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>>61048096
This tbqhwyf (This, to be quite honest with you family)

Trump made himself out to be a petulant child taking pot shots. Cruz was cool, calm, and collected and completely shut down everything that Trump had to say. Cruz treated Trump the way Trump treats Jeb.
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>>61048321
Fucking kek weasel hide of technical citizenship
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>>61048183
/b/ is that way, second letter on the list.
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Trump,did good considering debates aren't his thing.

Trump,is greater then a Hillary and Bernie!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=69ojFGKFBtk
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>>61048285
>sending all your sjws to my country
Too far gringo
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>>61048000
Lol Cruz actually clapped? What a cucklord.

Also where can I watch it?
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>>61047332
he cucked Jeb for having no airplane.
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>>61048183
Go away cuckfaggot
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>>61048323

Not at all disingenuous. His hometown got insulted by some slick, weaselly lawyer while his wife just so happens to work on Wall St.

Also, Cruz is Canadian. We can't tolerate a Canadian attacking any part of America. Not New York, not SoCal, not Florida, not New Jersey.

Not even Ohio.
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>>61048482
Here, fag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3305762377&feature=iv&src_vid=SGIPcOlFR8k&v=MY0w1WnJfc4
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>>61048323
He specifically says state.
>bad move Cruz
>automatic negative 29 electoral points not that he'll get that far anyway
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>>61048133
>That perfect retort from Trump

WE HAVE STARTED THE FIRE

WHY ISN'T THERE A TRUMP RALLY HERE IN NEW JERSEY, FUCK MY LIFE.

HOWEVER I'LL BE THERE TO CAST MY VOTE FOR THE GOD EMPEROR TRUMP IN NOVEMBER.
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>>61047332
Everyone got cucked by Trump.
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>>61047446
Trump/Cruz 2016!

oh baby its all over
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>>61048754
Oh shit, look at Cruz's face the second Trump says World Trade Center, he knows he dun goofed
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>>61048468
>Not even Mexico can find a use for them.
>They are literally worthless
>nothing against you Brown man
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>>61048626
And nothing about that has anything to do with what they were talking about, which was (paraphrased):

>Who are you going to trust to defend the 2nd Amendment? A New York City native? Big East Coast city dwellers don't share the same values most Americans have on these things.
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We need Trump votes on Blaze! Suck it Glen Beck - Trump is gaining! Please keep the momentum going!


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/01/14/blaze-poll-who-won-the-south-carolina-gop-debate/
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>>61048784
>automatic negative 29 electoral points

By that logic running on a Republican ticket was a bad move for him.
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>>61048909

Nobody cares, sperg. Trump took complete control of the frame in that situation. He disemboweled Cruz's patriotic bona fides on national television and had Teddy literally clapping while his dreams for the White House were snatched away from him.
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>>61048897
We can ship them to Canada, they'll fit in just fine.
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Is there a video of the entire debate? I just got home from my slave wage job
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>>61048166
BASED. and checked
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>>61048000
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>>61049389
>no substantive argument
>ad hom
>insist you won anyway
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>>61048754
I love the part where they address bush but don't show it lol
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>>61049960
>"Trump rhetorically destroyed Cruz"
>"But muh logical fallacies!"

You really are a sperg aren't you?
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>>61048000

it shows how shitty newspaper comics are (and always have been, in b4 le Farside) when Dilbert is the best one around, except maybe F minus
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>>61047446
He fucking COMMANDS the crowd.
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>>61050066
I repeated Cruz's argument, which is demonstrably true - that New Yorkers have a poor record on the 2nd Amendment.

You give a singular subjective opinion that he was "rhetorically destroyed".

You might fit in better with the SJW crowd. They argue a lot on the basis of feels.
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>>61050387
>I repeated Cruz's argument, which is demonstrably true -

You still don't get it. I'll spell it out for you:

You and Cruz are operating in the realm of logic. Trump operated in the realm of emotion. Most people respond more strongly to emotion than logic, meaning that Trump scored a yuge PR victory over Cruz at a very opportune time. That you cannot grasp the significance of this makes me seriously question both your empathy and your social skills. Your having a developmental disability like Asperger's Syndrome seems likely.
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>>61047446
How can you even retort to the most basic common sense.

>there is a chance the dems will use it to fuck the campaign up if you are nominee/vp slot so get it sorted out
>no I won't because herr derr durr duur left wing jurist

It's so goddamn silly
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>>61050906
trump was giving legitimate advice to a potential running partner, while cruz was full tilt attack mode, and trump used his momentum against him in a feat of charismatic judo.
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>>61051017
Do you think he'll actually get it sorted out ?
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>>61050665
Dilblog reader detected.
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>>61051272

Only occasionally. Vox Day is my daily dose of Shitlordry.
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>>61047787
Upstate New York is nothing like that
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>>61050665
All I was saying was Cruz wasn't wrong saying what he said. Trump can be offended by it if he wants. Will people be smart enough to see through Trump's obvious dodge over his city/state's record on guns? I dunno. In the end you may be right.

Honestly it was a perfect opportunity for him to stand up for city-dwelling gun owners and say literally anything about how he might try to make the 2nd stronger from a federal level and get rid of unconstitutional bullshit in hellholes like NY, CA, etc. But he didn't. Anybody with 2 brain cells to rub together saw right through that
>muh Holocaust
invoking of 9/11. Complete non sequitur.

Non-New York shills (reads: literally everywhere not New York) do not give even one single fuck that he rightly insulted that shithole on the basis of 2nd Amendment rights.

>Recognizing when somebody doesn't answer a question/argument is now the basis for a diagnosis of autism
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>>61051482
Then why is NY state in general cucked and has shit tier gun laws?
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>>61051688
To be fair, he's not entirely wrong. Upstate NY is tolerable (hung out with a few people from there), but they get cucked by NYC laws. Chicago vs rural Illinois is pretty much the same.

That's why I'm saying Cruz was insulting NYC and urban city policies on guns, not necessarily the whole state. Even upstaters would probably agree with Cruz. Trump responded specifically about NYC, so at least he took it that way.
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>>61051688
Because NYC dominates the state electorally.

Same thing in California. 80% of the places in California are conservative. However the big cities: Sacramento, LA and SF make the whole state blue
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>>61051139
i don't really know. i think it's a legitimate concern, but i also think that pride makes a big difference in the cruz campaign. i'm not sure what the next move is. I think we'll have to see the dust clear a bit before we'll see the next move.
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>>61052015
I'm worried that he won't by following the train of thought that doing it would be admitting Trump is right on the issue and it makes me worry that it will throw the Trump/Cruz ticket out of the window.

He's pretty much in a lose/lose situation politically, then as you said, he has to chose between pride and selflessness.
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Are there any links to watch the full debate?
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>>61051550

You're still stuck on the logic of it all. Part of what makes Trump so imposing is that he does not allow any slight to go unanswered; he attacks directly until his target is destroyed or silenced. Going off-message(for him) on guns while letting Cruz's attack on him stand is essentially deferring to Cruz, letting him steer the conversation while showing weakness and running his city up the flagpole. Trump dictates his own points, he doesn't let others dictate to him. If you attack him or anyone close to him(hometown, remember) he will attack you ruthlessly.

That is what makes him a strong candidate. Going on a Cruz-esque wonky diatribe is not what got him where he is.

And your lack of understanding of these dynamics only serves to strengthen my case re: ASD.
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>>61052303
I fully understand what Trump did and why. He did it at a lot of points during the debate and I think it served him well. I don't think it served him well in this specific exchange with Cruz.

What you fail to understand is the basic fact that non-New Yorkers don't care that Cruz insulted NYC natives on guns. It was clearly a win for Cruz, even from a feels standpoint. If you think anybody but Trump is going to win NY, you're nuts anyway. Cruz had nothing to lose and everything to gain.
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>>61052975

You don't get it. Trump completely negated that by bringing up 9/11. It replaced regionalism with a nationalistic message and a very powerful one at that. Instead of shitlibs in Greenwich Village, he had people visualizing the NYPD and FDNY. Trump's delivery was much stronger, and left a much stronger emotional imprint on his audience. Give it a day. You'll see.
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>>61050228

It sure is.
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>>61053386
Primaries are literally regional contests (it does snowball as you get further down the line obviously). I don't think this exchange did Trump any favors.

I'm content to wait and see, but I think Cruz brought up something that is going to resonate with 2A voters and Trump failed to take what I think was a big opportunity to address that issue and rek Cruz at the same time but he did neither. People (regular non-autistic people) will notice. I'll leave it at that.
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>>61047446
Trump should have focused on how Cruz has no respect for the republican party, that he could put the entire issue to rest by getting a declaratory judgement, and that the only reason he is not is because he is afraid of what the judgement might be.
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