>>61033604 The Sanders idiots fail to mention that National defense would be cut to loose change levels and we would scrap all the aircraft carriers to pay for the "gibsmedat" the NEET and niggers want.
Voting for Sanders is national suicide and insanity at it's highest level.
>>61033604 Single payer healthcare system is good. Social Security is a ponzi scheme, requires infinite exponential population growth (god awful idea), and will fall apart completely when service jobs start getting automated Infrastructure is very necessary, but this has been known for 30 years and no one does anything more than pay it lip-service or worse build bridges to no where. College can be made affordable in many ways, perhaps we could get rid of useless required courses (like Art History) that consume the first year and reduce all 4 year programs to 3 year programs. 25% savings immediately!! >leave fund Redundant since I support UBI >prevent sleezeballs from being sleezy No politician has the balls to follow through with this What jobs are they going to do and why can't they build infrastructure exactly? >child care Or parents could actually parent
>>61038573 Personally, I don't think the government should pay for education at all. Education is not a right or a need and if you can't afford private school, you shouldn't be having kids. Plus it would allow private schools to become better and more efficient at actually educating people.
>>61039324 When you make a service that must be provided by other people a "right", you are essentially advocating for slavery. What if there's a national teacher's strike? The people have a right to education, so the government must force teachers to teach
>>61039369 If people want free guidance, they can go to church, or get an apprenticeship that will teach them actually useful skills
>>61033604 Well: 1: Medicare for all: They have massively underestimated this cost. 2: This one doesn't even make sense. Increasing benefits is the opposite of bolstering solvency. Furthermore $120 per year for 10 years Last year we had a $76 billion deficit, that will be higher for this year. By 2020 The deficit will be over $120 billion and insolvent again. 3: The last 3 'infrastructure" bills went to pay for salaries of existing employees less than 5% went to infrastructure. How will this one be different when you have the exact same people administering it? 4: Throwing more money at universities will only result in rising costs, not lessening. 5: Not something the government should be involved in. 6: Once again not something the government should be involved in.
Savings: 1: Health Care: This is crazy math that double dips several times and isn't even half of what they claim. 2: Yay, let's get the government more involved in the markets because that has gone so well so far. 3: I hate the ignorance and willful lying here. They aren't storing or sending profits overseas. The US has a byzantine tax code that if any company headquartered in the US dares to bring profits that it has already been taxed on in the home countries back to the US then they have to pay taxes again to avoid double taxation they don't do this. 4: They've already paid taxes, now you want them to pay taxes when they die. 5: Dear god, you people don't even understand what a subsidy is. What this bill actually does is create an exemption to standard tax law that punishes just a select few manufacturers.
>>61033604 >end regressive healthcare I don't know much about this, but the way I understand it, he wants healthcare through your employer to stop being tax-free. I don't know how he thinks this isn't going to put the cost directly on employees, it seems to me it will either cost more to use employer healthcare plans, force you to buy shittier insurance, or end health insurance altogether for employers that can't afford it. >ease stock market volatility Again, not something I know much about, but I've heard this won't affect anything. >close corporate loopholes Is there any actual legal way to prevent corporations from storing cash overseas? The liberals are the ones that forced them to do this anyway. It's not a loophole to want to get your money out of the country so they can't take a massive cut out of it. The only thing I see this doing is forcing companies to outsource more, or just flat out leave the fucking US. Brilliant. >restore estate tax If there's one thing Bernie should know by now, it's that the wealthy have been forced into being skilled at dodging taxes. >"end polluter welfare" Just another thing that's going to be shifted onto the average consumer in the form of costs of energy. Gasoline, for example, would see a massive jump in price. That shit may fly in places like the UK, but the United States is fucking huge, and logistics infrastructure is infinitely more important here.
I could just be talking out of my ass but what you should take away from this is that his "savings" plans, at best have a slim chance at showing any return at all. The immense cost of his bullshit social programs, however, would be very real, and detrimental to our economy. Bernie is a fucking naive idiot who doesn't live in the real world.
>>61039862 Trump: Hello, Mexico? Mexico: What do you want, Senior Trump? Trump: I just wanted to let you know I have all of our missiles and most of our troops lined up across the border ready to make your third world shithole into an extension of Texas if you don't give me 10 billion dollars in the next hour Mexico:(sweating profusely) y-yes, Mr. Trump. Of course, Mr. Trump it will be ready in 10 minutes
>>61040464 >isn't flint full of brownies anyway? why would they replace the lead pipes? It's just an example.
There are still parts of the country that use wooden sewers. There are still parts of New England that have their cities built on aquifers, stabilized with wooden piers susceptible to wood eating parasites that they have to constantly watch for. The power grid is littered with weak points that can shut down entire multi-state regions of the country.
>>61042735 The only one calling education a right is you and actual retards. Education is an investment, if all the teachers go on strike then it's just a loss for them as well as us. There is no 'force the teachers to teach' anywhere except in the most retarded lolbertarian theories.
>>61037322 You speak sense anon but why do you think single payer is a good idea? Sure it has its advantages but it also has plenty of problems. I would prefer a hybrid system where government healthcare competes with the private sector.
>>61039899 >massively overestimated the cost It comes from the Congressional Budget Office, economists et cetera. http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-system-cost 15 trillion is Friedman's esimate.
>doesn't make sense He means spending 1.2 trillion to increase benefits and solvency. Not increasing benefits causes solvency. >American reading comprehension
>95% went to paying existing employees What's wrong with that?
>subsidising college will make it more expensive ??? Obviously they wouldn't let colleges make tuition cost a trillion dollars and take the government's money.
Most other countries would disagree. Parents should be able to spend time with children after they're born
1. What the fuck is crazy double math? If the esimates are accurate the savings follow by basic subtraction.
2. Yes, the recession was caused by too much governmental interference. Banks, on their own unregulated, guarantee a healthy economy.
3. You're right for once, half right anyway. Yes, America double taxes and it's generally unfair. Only profit offshore can be deferred. But financial bookkeeping can make taxes seem like they were generated in foreign subsidiaries, which is why they have subsidiaries in the Bahamas. The whole system should be done away with.
4. Why do you want trust fund babies to be a thing? Neither is the government confiscating all of it.
>>61043133 I think what you are suggesting is better, but simplicity is neccessary in the beginning.
I think that the government should provide basic and emergency care but should ideally act as an organizational body to set standards and keep prices in check. The majority of the money handling should still be kept in the private sector.
>>61033604 Let's look at "closes corporate loopholes." When they wrote that, they fantasized that not only is Location X full of fine ass bitches, but that they can effectively conquer Location X and claim ownership over every odalisque and fluffer in the place. They git downright angry at the thought of beibg denied what they now saw as their rightful property. >Then they loudly announced their plans. You wouldn't believe it, Holmes, but after repeatedly warning of their intent to grab everything in Location X, somehow somebody took it into their heads to clean the place out before they got there. Instead of taking possession of property they already accounted for as paying for their plans, they find themselves exactly where they started. No fine ass bitches, no real women with genetic disorders, nothing but plans.
>>61044100 Are you suggesting hard price controls? I would much prefer a change to the patent system for pharms and medical tech. Where rather than giving companies a monopoly for 20 years you let anyone produce and they pay a royalty in perpetuity to the patent holder. That prevents gouging without relying on government to set prices.
>>61044560 Would require more investigation, but hard price controls are possibility. We have learned that it is simply not possible to allow companies to charge whatever they desire for healthcare procedures. This has to be taken into account.
Either way I am not in favor in allowing patents to exist forever. Every bit of knowledge mankind possesses is built on the knowledge of previous generation, our knowledge base is evolutionary and to wall off knowledge behind patents is a direct route to stagnation.
>>61033604 > Government saving money on anything Cmon, how many times do people have to get fucked over by the government to understand that the government is a wasteful entity that always fucks things up. There is no way the government can take over healthcare, and give you free college and still save you $18 trillion. How in todays day and age still believe this bullshit being pedaled to them?!
>>61044399 >loopholes Mighty Bernardihno will just bend it like Beckham and outsmart every company that literally has people working day and night to make it more profitable. Accounting surely will never find new ways or even suggest outsourcing at some point.
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