Can we talk about something more important than all your petty bullshit for a second?
As we're all aware (or should be aware), the Universe is expanding. Indeed, this expansion is accelerating.
Current theories project that this will result in either (1) a universe that becomes too cold to sustain life, (2) a universe that achieves maximum entropy wherein all things are evenly distributed and so no gradients for supporting processes such as life are possible, or (3) a total disintegration of all forms into unbound particles. Either way, all life as we know it will be extinguished.
So how do we stop it? Or at least slow it down?
>slow it down?
You can't. Heat death is the most probable collection of microstates in the universe.
Your best bet would be finding a new universe.
Perhaps a longass journey across a Closed Timelike Curve might get you somewhere?
Don't worry, the universe is a simulation. This whole heat death malarkey is just an extrapolation based on shortcuts taken in the simulation. We'll be shut down or restarted before we reach that point.
Entropy is a dumb idea anyways if you think about it for more than 5 minutes.
everything that defines us
will one day be gone
even if a few of us manage to escape the planet and survive, there's no way we'll be able to save the planet's history, its technology, or advancements
it will all
and when a new planet is found
life will start over
It will take so many billions of years for this to actually happen, the human races and likely thousands, millions of other living things, civilizations, will have died out.
Humanity is not long for this world. Should we never achieve commercial space travel we will die out extremely soon in regards to the timeline of the universe.
I can't find the damn article because I suck at the google, but it was basically saying that some scientists were looking at some below-planck-scale shit or something and it was slightly off focus using multiple tools in different locations and over a long enough time that they decided that 3D reality is a sort of projection of a 2D Real Reality and it's quite possible all of everything we can know is a simulation.
No idea. Current science is at a point where we don't even know how to start dealing with the heat death of the universe of if it is even possible.
But if we are going full not-so-sci-fi then escape to another universe or start our own.
That kind of "simulation" is philosophically moot as it doesn't affect the importance of 3D reality. Even if it's an illusion, it's literally as real to us and everything we could ever know as if it wasn't. It wouldn't even affect particle physics as we understand it, or biology, or astrophysics.
The idea that all energy states in a closed system will even out eventually doesn't make a lick of sense?
Think about this. I take a cooking pot and heat it up. Then I throw some ice cubes inside. For a while a lot of things will happen, the ice cubes with zip around as they rapidly melt due to the heat of the pot.
Eventually though the ice cubes will melt and the cooking bot will cool down. Everything will be the same temperature, and nothing will happen.
How does that not make sense?
its purely theoretical isn't it?
what we do have to worry about is andromeda crashing into the milky way in 4 billion years or our sun going nova in 5 billion years first
of course we're not really on track to doing that as long as our biggest concerns are celebrating men who put their penises in other men's anuses and giving food and medical care to africans who won't stop fucking breeding..
>hey pol lets stop talking about our current problems that causes our fucked up world and lets talk better about this hypothetical cosmological event that will happens in billions of years which we can't do shit to prevet it
A stray gamma ray burst from a relatively small quasar collapsing would scour the planet completely clean of life. The quasar could be outside of the Hubble deep field's range and it wouldn't matter. We would have absolutely no warning and it could happen at any time.
Nature strives for high entropy and low enthalpy
Entropy is disorder, enthalpy is the energy within a system
When you think about it in those terms, the idea of nature trying to strive for them both at the same time does not make a lot of sense
Found two articles that relate, but aren't the one I remember,
Somehow that doesn't bother me as much,
how many trillions of years do I have left to prepare for the happening?
It does, though. Any form of self-sustaining equilibrium (ie order) is stored energy, like a wound spring. Disorder is the remnant of dispersed energy, like a spring unwound.
This is related to the fact that the universe began as extremely ordered energy and collapsed into what we observe today.
Would you perfer the full autist version where I list all the rules of thermaldynamics, quantum physics and newtons laws that makes it happen or does the term used previously fit the bill? Because I think advanced physics is lost on most people
Wrong. Whatever machine or being is simulating the universe is powerful enough to simulate billions of minds and calculate in an instant the external "universe" we observe based on deterministic laws of nature. A machine powerful and complex enough to simulate our consciousnesses and the observable universe would have to be capable of consciousness in and of itself.
Well, yeah, one could use such a simple example as potential energy of a brick on top of a stack and the effect the dispersion of said energy has (Bricks fall down, make a mess, energy is lost but entropy is elevated) I'm just saying that for most people it probably doesn't
Harness the metaphysical energy of emotions and convert it into physical energy to funnel back into the universe. Get the emotional energy from teenagers forced into strife and terror
You're confused and wrong about the irrelevant thing you're talking about anyway.
Read the posts. We were talking about the idea that 3D physics are just a holographic representation of a 2D plane which is 'reality'.
We'll keep moving forward through the combined might of every species in the universe, it is the duty of every sentient being to protect the universe at all costs. We won't let something like the universe trying to fuck us keep us from surviving.
Humans literally will not be around by the time heat death happens.
It's not even a matter of us blowing ourselves up or something, by that time humans will have evolved into an entirely different species. Not even like comparing a neanderthal to a human, more like a fucking algae to a human.
Maybe that's what heaven is. When you die you're reborn into the real universe. And it could be this machine is God. When start thinking of the universe in terms of it being a simulation religion makes sense.
I'm pretty sure we would have adapted during the billion years it takes to get to that point
Entropy does not make sense metaphysically. How could this initial ordered state come to be in the first place? Entropy is a self-denying concept, if everything abides by entropy (order dissipating into disorder) then how did that order come about in the first place without more energy to create it? And then how did that energy come about?
>When start thinking of the universe in terms of it being a simulation religion makes sense.
No it doesn't. Only moronic deliberate doublethink bending over backwards to cram ideas that you like into a framework of faith you have pre-supposed ideas about makes religion make sense
Which is what you're doing now
If you had ever read a book, you might have learned that modern science regards time as a dimension, and that from a perspective outside of our universe there is no time. Asking "what happened before the beginning?" is a lot like asking "what's above the universe?"
You're right, out universe is just a simulation. Our best bet would be to invade 4D Space.
Because you don't understand what we mean when we say ordered or disordered. Go get the most basic grasp of the concept of entropy. You clearly don't have it and are not making an intelligent or informed argument against it with your ramblings.
The thing about "petty bullshit" is you can actually do something about it. You and nobody on earth at this moment or even the next couple thousand centuries will not be able to save the universe. Death will come to all of us.
Instead of spending your entire life tying to become immortal and failing why don't you try to improve the life you have faggot.
1) Unite all of humanity under a single state
1a) This can be done either by uniting all currently existing nations OR
1b) Destroying the nations that don't want to join
2) Adopt a model of state capitalism; general non-intervention in most areas except to ensure resources are conserved and
2b) Focus a lot of money on space exploration and infrastructure, with methods in place to turn over operations to the private sector as soon as it's ready
3) continue expansion and development until we discover efficient mass to energy conversion, and efficient energy to mass conversion
4) continue expansion and development until we are able to create a friendly super intelligence
5) enter a post-scarcity enlightened society run by transcended humans / friendly AI
6) ensure rigid social order and tradition so that we don't end up like the Culture
7) continue expansion and development
8) discover a method by which to reverse entropy or create our own universes
9) become as gods
Our sun actually won't go nova when it dies, it's not powerful enough. It'll swell into a red giant, shed all it's layers of gas and shit, leaving it's core behind. A glowing cinder that'll take like a trillion years to cool completely.
1 Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking.
2 I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.
3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
4 They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."
5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.
7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives
12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.
13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
well most girls that end up in the states from here are probably high end girls likely.
Probably caught a boat with some military guy there.
There like mexicans they get fat after you marry them, I mean really fucking fat.
It doesn't need to simulate the whole universe. It only needs to simulate one observer - you - and what you observe. The rest of the shit you is input for you to process.
Or what if the universe is a simulation but it's running on the alien equivalent of a Pentium and so it's limited? The program struggles to handle extremely large numbers - which is why humans appear to be completely alone (as by limiting what we can interact with and measure saves computing power) and it struggles to manage extremely small numbers (which is why things become nuts at quantum levels). Every so often, civilization becomes developed enough to probe these extremes using experimental equipment and it crashes the simulation, causing the computer to reboot - this is the Big Bang.
We're humans, there was a time when we couldn't imagine solving fire, couldn't write, couldn't speak a real language, couldn't imagine the world not being flat, couldn't imagine reaching space at all.
You know how long its taken us to overcome all of this?
about 1/275000 the age of the universe, and that's including a good 45000 years of prehistoric humanity.
You think given 20000000000 times the life of humanity (approximate time before the degenerate era starts making things bad) we can't come up with something?
I believe 1 and 2 are the same thing OP as coldness and no gradiant are linked via entropy
there is a 3rd option, that we have massively miscalculated the amount of dark matter inside the universe and the expansion will either speed up and curve in on it's self or stop and collapse on it's self leading to the creation of a new universe. watch this it explains it in more detail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_aOIA-vyBo
You should accept Jesus Christ, repent for your sins and don't care about this universe, because you own a death.
After all Jesus said the Kingdom is inside you.
Great the Lord is in his words.
>Implying that turning over operations to the private market after you have done all the work is the same as getting the private market to do the R/d for you.
Also >state capitalism
topkuck it's like you want the world to fail
>implying I didn't imply contracting the private market to get the big shit out of the way first without regards to a profit margin, before letting the plebs get their grubby hands on it
>implying there's anything wrong with state capitalism
It's like you hate major scientific progress and infrastructure :^)
We can't. The final stage of heat death essentially time will stop flowing because nothing will happen again. Ever. Still, causality seems to be bullshit at least at the very smallest depths of spacetime, so a new big bang could just "happen" after a few eternities.
>tfw the universe is a simulation of entroopy and if there is a way to reverse it
>tfw your universe is going to die, but its ok because the people who designed it well also die from exactly the same thing
feels good, if only spiteful
Someone post the HFY of humans invading outside the simulation via trojan horses
I must be using the wrong words then, my apologies.
Here you go m8.
And here's another great one.
40,000 years ago humans were just reaching what we now call Europe and was when Cro-Magnon first appeared. Humans only started leaving Africa 60,000 years ago.
Whatever descendants of humans are around 40,000 years from now will be very different from us today.
It'll actually take tens of billions, of tens of billions of years, actually more than that, but admittedly most of the opportunity to do anything exists in the first few quadrillion or so years.
You are a complete fucking idiot if you do not understand entropy.As another anon said, entropy defines an engine and ultimately the second law of thermodynamics, which, in return, gives you an insight into the universe you fucking moron.
I learned this in High school physics class
Also, Hi FBI/Military. Tell Reginald that he needs to eat better.
I was thinking of this the other day, isn't life a big obstacle in the Heat Death? Living creatures decide what and when things lose/gain power, so simply by existing, don't we prevent the heat death?
When life is exterminated, there's nothing to record whether the universe exists or not, so it doesn't matter by that point.
It will actually take longer than that even, according to the most recent measurements. Don't worry OP, by the time the universe ends, we will either all be dead or be inter-dimensional gods, able to come and go through universes as we please, shaping them to our will.
>how do we stop/slow it down?
did you remember to attend Yoga class today, Amelia?
For real, though, Heat Death will literally take billions of year, if not more. Also, who cares about #3. No one will be around to perceive it, and nothing matters if everything gets disintegrated
more make believe and conjecture i see. you people and your make believe. well, i'm off to bed. before i go however, i'm going to need you to provide proof of where the singularity came from, and then provide observable testable proof as to why another singularity won't appear since the first arrived without provocation.
you people and your never to be proven models.
more conjecture that has no basis in reality other than the theories of atheist. madnesss.
all of it, madness.
Universe isn't expanding, we're just in a fluctuation of shit we don't understand.
depends if we figure out ftl or if its even possible, stuck on this planet we are dead for sure. There are a lot of resources up there through so we may have a go at the solar system in the next 1000 years or so.
Dude, we didn't even had the first death of a star yet.
Right now, there's not dead stars on the Universe. Yep, no black dwarfs. It means, the entropy takes a hell of time to kill the universe. The time it will take is huge, believe me, unimaginable huge. By that time, if we survive these billions of trillions of years, we well be totally different beings, perhaps controlling even the borders of the existence itself. And perhaps, all this drama about dying universe won't be much drama to think about it.
Speaking of esoteric future stuff, what does /pol/ think of this article?
(Ignore the rest of this guy's stuff for now, as they distract from the article itself)
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy"
If you do basically nothing (aside from whatever is necessary for survival) for one day every week, you lower your contribution towards entropy by 1/7.
Considering humans are expected to be extinct in the next 1,000-10,000 years, there's nothing we can do to prevent the end of the universe. Although it's probably like 10^200 years away so maybe some other life will figure out the issue before it's too late.
Its an incredibly long process. After our star dies, we'll move to other stars, we'll keep moving to stars until we can't anymore. Then we'll begin farming the remaining black holes for energy. Eventually those will be gone too and really the only avenue we'll have left is akin to downloading our consciousnesses and simulating existance.
>We're overdue for a major extinction event.
Then we'll punch it in it's stupid cosmic face when it rears its ugly head.
If you have nothing else, at least have hope and the desire to move forward.
>human race is barely 200,000 years old
>being worried about something 20,000,000,000 years away
if by any stretch of the imagination you think humans will live to over a 160 quadrillion years to when all the stars have turned to black holes, Im fairly certain we would be creating reality at that point, not moving from black hole to black hole to get dem energies.
I know you're being silly, Satan
But that might be part of an answer. By commanding energy it might keep "Balance" from happening, moving energy around like waves in an ocean, never flooding the coastal cities.
/tg/ actually, but there is an autistic misanthrope that shitposts HFY threads into oblivion whenever they pop up.
Dumping what I have.
When the age of humanity is long and gone. True AI, created by some of the most brilliant minds and melded together with the minds of the last surviving humans will either stop the heat death, or recreate the universe so that the next cycle may have a chance to succeed
nice tits for some milfs, specially the one on the left
who cares, this is the meaning of life. banging milfs
Generally, when working with multiverse, every single instance of possibility, and impossibility, occurs.
Different sets of universal laws, different occurrences in each universe, and so on.
In one Universe, Hitler won.
In another, nickels (5 cents) are called "Nipples" and that's the only difference.
In another, light is slightly slower.
It's "Everything" to say the least. The only constant would really be that each one probably has physical laws that must be obeyed, but what those laws are can vary.
It's a bit foolish to believe that predictions, which rely on theories about dark matter and dark energy, about the fate of the universe made less than 50 years ago are very accurate. For a much longer time, people believed that the Sun revolved around Earth.
Before we can answer that question we have to know if there is even anything beyond our universe. If the universe is expanding, it's expanding into something. Whether that something is just nothingness, we don't know yet. Since it's expanding in every direction, we know universes aren't next to one another, so we'd have to travel faster than the universe is expanding, get to the frontier, and who knows what would happen.
TL;DR you don't
>Current theories project that this will result in either (1) a universe that becomes too cold to sustain life, (2) a universe that achieves maximum entropy wherein all things are evenly distributed and so no gradients for supporting processes such as life are possible, or (3) a total disintegration of all forms into unbound particles. Either way, all life as we know it will be extinguished.
This is my fetish.
It probably varies universe to universe. You'd need to match the conditions to both, leave one, and enter the other.
Even if you made it to the other universe, if the physical laws didn't like your presence, you might be completely destroyed upon arrival.
Perhaps going FTL in our universe is how we leave it. Maybe being made mostly of water is how we enter another. Then, when we gaint he ability to go FTL, we enter that universe.
Maybe that universe has loli cat girls. Maybe it has high pitched world leaders. Maybe it's full of chimeras.
Although, it'd be safe to assume that to leave, you need a ton of energy to punch through. LHC makes people think we can punch into other areas. Whether it's to send things there, or pull things here. Maybe we can send them an apple, maybe we'll pull Satan into our world. We don';t know, and maybe we do know!
Maybe imagination is how we poke into other universes, and every imagined story is just us recording other universe's events. That's why others can imagine the same work of art and edit it, because they focus in on events in similar but different events.
Good imagination = Good connection to that universe. probably.
probably by harnessing whatever energy is left in the old universe to tear ourselves a dimensional wormhole into a younger universe but i dont think this will be a problem that humanity needs to solve. we'll all be long dead before then
Here's another one,
There's a chance that in multiverse theory, that we just randomly fall into/are abducted into other universes.
I'm sure you've seen the Bearenstein/stain thing, known as the Mandela effect.
Then of course comes the horror stories, such as, there's possible monsters that move between dimensions hunting creatures for sadistic fun. Maybe then snatch up people like us and take us to other dimensions where our beings are warped terribly, just to experiment and study the effects. Maybe the slip in and out between dimensions, for one split second you see them, and they see you, and the next you're both blind to each other.
Maybe stumbling into that visible point lets us become those monsters, and you find out that it's not sadism, but curiosity from the other side of the the lab.
Of course, I can keep going, but we'd have to cover quite literally everything you can and can't imagine, or possibly fathom. Hell, we can't even discuss almost any of it before we hit a wall trying to talk about something so alien that it can never occur to us, and if it were brought up to us, we'd be rendered into a pile of goo.
Multiverse is fun, and while it's fun, it'll probably be how our universe ends, and where the parallel universe that is exactly like ours doesn't make the same mistake and lasts longer.
Humanity Fuck Yeah.
It's a story that shows how men are created in the Image of God, not just by our looks, but by our ability to become God-like.
In other words, why we're the ultimate physical being and will overcome everything.
That's what it often ends up being, but it was originally created as a response to humans always being the "average" or "diplomats" in sci-fi, and seeks to apply other traits to us. (such as being xenocidal warlords, innate emperors, etc)
And we're someone else's demons and aliens.
So what is a demon that haunts our demons, and can it see us?
Star control 2 entertained the idea, the most generic looking alien (Arilou, green men in stereotypical looking UFO's) tells you that he remembers humans, and that they care for us, when we were young they changed our "Smell" so that a huge demon from another dimension can't detect us, even if it interacts with us.
They live in the "Above", which is like Hyper-Hyperspace, and the demon is from the "Below", essentially a folded space. The Orz (The demon) appear to be individual creatures, but are described by the Arilou as fingers to a gigantic monster from the Below.
So, in the Above, things that save us, which we see as Aliens.
In the Below, a wicked monster that destroys anything it detects, it's fingers poking into our universe. a Demon.
Then comes the Above and Below, essentially, FTL and folding space, to move faster or to lessen the distance needed to travel, which is an interesting concept.
Pie is an endless number
Thus the simulation is technically endless
Thus that would mean they would need to build a machine that could store the endless
Thus that would mean that the builders of said simulation would have acquired god like power and that the simulation in of itself is whats valuable, not the data which is acquired from it
And that's the last of what I have, /pol/
Sweet dreams of Terran Imperium!
What if there are more than 4 fundamental forces, and one of those pulls on photons only. This hypothesized force pulls back on them, slowing them down just a tiny bit. Over distance it causes a red-shift.
In other words, what if the universe isn't really expanding?
This is the sort of random shit I think about.
Anything is possible, but not everything is true.
That's the beauty of science, anon! We actually don't know anything, we're just very, very certain, almost completely so, that we're right on what we do know.
IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING
ONLY 10*100 YEARS LEFT WHAT THE FUCK
>Traverses the cosmos in a world ship in search of a new home
>Settle on new world
>Revert to being fucking cavemen
No. If we are advanced enough to save ourselves then we can continue on high level
of technological achievement...
Take for example a proto galaxy on the edge of the observable universe. It's a completely redshifted piece of shit blog, and it's true location and state is completely unknown. What we can know is that we're looking at a snapshot of it from 13 birrion years ago, and that snapshot is 13 birrion right years awei. Now think of all the various cosmological objects between us and that proto galaxy across 76,254,048,000,000,000,000,000 miles. Planets, Stars, Galaxies, black holes, supermassive black holes, even space dust - all that stuff can bend and warp and slow down light.
So yes, what is there to say that the light reaching us just hasn't been delayed by factors?
Also take into consideration the concept of exposure in photography. The photos generated of that most distant proto galaxy required over 20 hours of exposure for the camera to capture it.
Surely there is such a thing as slow light.
We're talking tens of billion of years before that happens and if we're still alive, we'll probably have dyson spheres that can power entropy reduction and organize matter in a way that can sustain our own lives. Seriously though in 10 billion years if terrestrial life still exists, we'll be so far evolved one cannot even begin to imagine what we'll look like or how our bodies will function.
No, gravity propagates at the speed of light. The "speed of light" isn't really about light, it's better thought of as the speed of causality, the maximum speed at which something in the universe can interact with something else.
What is the frequency of a gravity wave and why is it more than a terahertz?
>Surely there is such a thing as slow light.
I believe scientists have been able to slow down light in the lab. If true, this just goes to show that the further a galaxy is away doesn't necessarily mean it's traveling faster than one closer.
I know I'm coming from a human Newtonian level of physics daily experience, but it just doesn't make sense that it's distance from Earth affects its speed.
... unless the photons are being altered in some way.
If by "working towards immortality" you mean "making as much money as possible so that I can give it to the people working on immortality", then yes.
Unfortunately, I enjoy math far too much to do neurology.
Maybe there's a particle that moves faster than light that we can't detect? Maybe the information transfer doesn't use particles? Shit, why does everyone act like science just stopped (not saying you are, I'm just saying).
>Shit, why does everyone act like science just stopped
Because we have no evidence otherwise.
Why I appreciate your enthusiasm and optimism, you're pretty much talking about the Jewish Cabal equivalent of physics.
Can it exist? Yes.
Does it exist? We don't know.
Do we have any concrete evidence that it does exist? Absolutely none.
>tfw you realize life could not form or evolve by chance in this universe
>tfw you realize there is likely multiple universes
>tfw you realize this universe will eventually die
>tfw you 2+2 to realize that there is a God
>and he is a being so advanced and powerful he escaped from another universe into this one