Hey /pol/, Would South America still be the 3rd world shithole

Would appreciate some input from /pol/ history experts

>>61015173
Depends on how they chose to colonize it, for the resources of if they wanted to live here. It would probably be the same. Also a lot of South America isn't nearly as bad as /pol/ makes it out to be.

Remember that thread about South America moving just a bit to the East (like 300 miles)?

I keep staring at maps and my globe, and SA's position really does seem wrong. It's been a week or two, and I can't stop thinking about it.

>>61015173
Absofuckinglutly... it's not a matter of british or moors conquest... it's a matter of religion, Catholic religion promotes human misery...

>>61017959
Anglican is like the catholic church, but with the King as head of the church.

Meh, look at Australia. Probably would end up about the same.

>>61018323
Most like India

>>61015173
the factor that is true isn't who did the conquering, it's who left behind their own pure genes.

>>61015173
are you really this stupid and ignorant?

why white people make so stupid questions?

are you fucking retarded?

do you really think something that happened 400 years ago its affecting the present day?

go get a fucking education OP

>>61015173
Depends. If they slaughter the natives instead of fucking them then maybe things would have been better. Although, it is likely that if they had colonized South America as well, then America, Canada, Australia, etc. would have received far fewer immigrants from Europe as there would be more stable places to choose from. It's like lily that the Americas in general would be well off but sparsely populated and would have possibly remained tied to Britain either as dominions or part of some imperial federation (given that they'd be comparatively weaker and America would likely not become the mister it is now due to decreased immigration.).

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>>61018707
>what happened 400 years ago has no impact on what's happening now.

>>61015173
>South America
>Third World
Shit's not great there but they aren't Africa Tier.

If the British had conquered it, they would have killed the majority of the natives.

>>61017959
Because the Natives in the USA and Canada were treated so well.

>>61015173
It would be 10000000 times worse. Take a look at my country:

> ''''City'''' with a high native population = S H I T H O L E
>City where a decent amount of white people live= pretty good when compared to any third world country.

So we would go from ' Good' by thirld world standards to almost a niggerlike standard of life

>>61019165
>kill
People die, they just will be below replacement level.

>>61018707
Maybe they don't teach this in your shitskin country, but, for future reference, events in the past, especially an event like the COLONIZATION OF AN ENTIRE CONTINENT, typically affect the future. At least a little

>>61018707
>whites coming to north america wouldnt have an impact on north america today
>spanish coming south america wouldnt have an impact on south america today

this is some low quality bait

>>61019314
>Constantly relocating groups of people to smaller and smaller territories has no affect on their population.

>>61019153
i mean, South americans countries are shit for the most part because fag US has put puppets in those countries and those puppets dont care about the country and just want money

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>>61019225
Mexico, NO!

Are you really Mexican, saying that?

But pic related was still going on in this area just 500 years ago... while Europe was experiencing the 'Renaissance'

>>61019472
Shitpost

>>61019372
>>61019393
i mean about the colonizers
>>61019225
british would have killed the natives so you wouldnt exist and wouldnt be called mexico

>>61019314
i want nukes to go off and US and UK be fucking nuked, you fucking people are awful

Think of it this way. british colonialisim if it had occured would have meant the massive American Region both south and north would have been at their disposal.

In essence spanish and portuguese would have compensated by occupying parts of Asia, Arabia, and Africa.

The French would have likely forced their way into the region as well but because of how thinly spread the british were would have most likely has to occupy the Carribean or would have been similar to portugal with brazil.

Latecoming empires such as the swedes, the Dutch, or the Russians would have had better chances of aquiring colonies as well.

>>61019427
Really? Hmm.
You'd be right if we were talking about Central America in particular, but that didnt last all that long and wasn't as devastating as they taught you. If anything, their over reaction to foreign influence and foreign investment is what did them in. Their dictators were keeping order and allowed for the country to be stable enough for investment and economic growth to take place. Then they sperged out and went full civil war and nationalization/socialism mode which inevitably destroyed their economies and internal stability. The fault is all theirs and not America's exclusively.

>>61019713
Maybe if your country wasn't dirt poor with no infrastructure and a completely uneducated populace you could accomplish that dream yourselves. But, as it stands, the shit hole you live in is lucky to get in door plumbing. So maybe not.

Brits are the ones who fucking ruined us

After we got independent most of us(except chile) had to fight the brits because they wanted our resources
So yeah fucking anglo fault again

I rejoice in the fact that brits are cucked now

>>61019912
>as devastating as they taught you.
nobody taught me anything, i have done my own research
>>61019912
>The fault is all theirs and not America's exclusively.
and that is what they taught you


why US invaded haiti twice?
huh?
they need it democracy?
they didnt have freedom?

>>61019472
what you mean?
they were in their fucking homeland ffs

>>61020145

> I wish the anglo's didn't exist

Uses Anglo Language on Anglo invented internet.

>>61015173
fuck this place and everyone in it

>>61020119
hahahahaha
only white people would make a post like this

>>61020354

they would at least speak English rather than mentally retarded Taco speak.

>>61020332
another thing would have been used
remember that anglos are germanics and they have similar history to turkics in anatolia

>>61015173
It's not the british colonization that changed things
Otherwise the guyana, jamaica etc would be developed
The thing is that the usa got an incredible amount of skilled and rich immigrants from europe, and with a young country they could build a better europe overseas
Even in south america, the countries that had more european immigration are relatively better off

>>61020491

I misread the thread because I'm a dumb fag who should probably sleep.

No, Meso america would be much better off if the spaniyards didn't show up. For one thing, the British would have brought a lot less niggers.

>>61015173
SA is a shithole not necessarily because the Spanish colonized it, but because they didn't genocide the natives. Argentina is the best SA country because it's predominantly white.

>>61020425
Is that supposed to be an insult? Lol

>>61020749

They were kings once.

NOSOTROS

>>61020749
you people are very stupid and ignorant


>>61020667
its all come down to the govt, if the govt want a nice country, they can do it

As a European I would like to say that us Europeans forget about that island pretty much daily.

>>61015173

It's much worse
Marxists + niggers + fag

>>61021100
You're the one who wishes that two entire countries be nuked because you don't like white people. That sounds pretty stupid and ignorant to me.

>>61020332
>Using spanish or latin instead

Seens good to me. English is a pleb language

>>61021474

South America is shit. Including Mexico drug fags

>>61021100
Not only the govt has to want a nice country
Its elites also have too

Also, no government can be effective if under foreign intervention

>>61021066
ERAMOS

>>61020717
Argentina is greek tier.

But they never were 1 world

.45 ACP for all you anti capitalist faggots. Why don't countries that have and are communist have wealth like the USA? Why aren't you asking the same question about wealth in commie countries. Seriously take a re pill or a cyanide it really doesn't matter. Pick one.

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>>61020717
We WERE the best country in SA during 19th century and early 20th. But then we embraced populism and we have been shit since then.

Pic related, we've been going down relatively on pretty much every ranking since then: education, safety, health, etc.

>>61022186
????

Ah yes certainly these 15 years of leftist government destroyed Brazil's economy, once the one of the world's largest and most developed

I think the Brits would have replaced the natives, not interbred so much with them.

Also I am not familiar with many countries (Pitcairn Island being an exception) that are inhabited by English speaking white people that are impoverished, so I think somehow, yes, South America would have been better off.

I realize it's not an absolute shithole down there, but Central America and Mexico for the most part are.

>>61021785
almost barely made the cusp

>>61020667
Guyana used to be nice before white people were basically chased out of the country. Jamaica was never subjected to any serious campaign of colonisation like Canada, Australia, NZ, and USA were but was treated purely as a plantation colony.

Where the climate didn't allow for plantations, the British typically created (in the long run) prosperous colonies. Where the climate did allow for plantations, those colonies eventually became shitholes (wonder why that is?).

>>61021576
>no government can be effective if under foreign intervention
i know
>>61021474
those 2 countries are the ones causing most shit in other countries then act like they didnt do nothing

>>61018707
>>61019427
>>61019713
>>61020270
>>61020425
>>61020586
>>61021100
>>61023966

Butthurt Haitian refugee detected. Tell Pierre to leave and build wall.

>>61023926
Now apply that logic to the rest of south america
Say, if the british had found millions of pounds of silver in the usa, would it be as developed?

>>61015173

Well, I'm going to base my observations on a few things. Namely : government, experience, genetics, and timing.

Government wise, the Spanish had both the crown and the papacy to solidify its control over parts of north, central, and south America. The Spanish conquest of Latin America began by 1492 around 30 years later the British referendum happened so the religious governmental powers of the British sank. This worked for the Spaniards and the Portuguese because they would have more funding to spread Catholicism to the new world. The powers of church and state was able to subdue to local population a lot better (in my opinion) than the British. While the British focused more on trade the Spaniards focused on religion and trade. Catholicism seems to be a lot more aggressive in "saving the souls of the savages" than British Protestantism.

The Spaniards also had a head start in working the maritime logistics between the two continents. The climate and terrain was more or less similar to colonies and conquests in Africa. So they've had experience in this type of heat and environment since medieval times.

To put it in /pol/ terms, Spaniards have taken enough nigger dick to acclimate and adapt better than what those cum skinned Anglo's ever could; i.e British colonization of Africa.
The Brits barely survived N. America when the environment is compatible to Europes.

The fall of the Spanish Empire lead to the independence of almost all of the Latin American countries by the close of the 1800's. This allowed free trade between these newly formed countries and nations in Europe ( england, france, portugal, etc) and the US. this they were able to develope at a faster rate than former colonies/commonwealths of England (Jamaica, guayana, belize, etc) which weren't let to their own devices even as late as 1997.

So in my opinion the 350 year rule under the Spanish was a god send from the Spaniards. British wouldnt allow this much development.

>>61024654
im not

>>61021639
REYES

>>61021485
>English is a plebe language.
Tell me, how many famous poets and authors are there in Portuguese? I mean among the ranks of Shakespeare, Wordsworth, Keats, Milton, Chaucer, Shelley, Tennyson, Pope etc.
Can you even name one? If you can't, I'll allow you to try to come up with a Spanish correlary.

>>61015173
I think we'd probably be 100% nigger like jamaica or the virgin islands.

>>61026672

Y REYNAS

>>61026046
>So in my opinion the 350 year rule under the Spanish was a god send from the Spaniards
well arabs ruled over them for 800 years and they end up good

>>61027843

And we would all be cuck muslim infested anti loo nations atm. Thanks Spain

>>61015173
It wouldnt be the third world shithole as it is today if the US wasnt constantly shitting in its mouth.

>>61023770
Mexico isn't so bad actually. It's doing much better than most South and Central American countries, that's for sure. Probably just Uruguay, Argentina, and Chile are doing a little better. That's pretty much it.

>>61028699
Mamao what does that have to do with anything?

>>61028432
carlos

>>61028893
just look at US and canada
it would be like that

If only the conquistador have killed all te native, but then we will be suffering the current leftist cUCK movemente that europe and usa has

>>61026521
How come you can speak English?
Do they teach that as a second language there?

>>61029234
Yeah, I keep thinking the same. Would you rather be rich and cucked or poor but with some dignity and shame at least.

>>61017959
*tips fedora*

>>61029219
just commenting

>>61029495
there are course here that you can take to learn english

>>61029541
well you wouldnt exist, desu senpai lad

>>61029368
you wouldnt exist,man
just europeans would exist here

Marxism destroyed South America as much as the small number of white people. Even a white country like Argentina is a shithole ruled by lunatics. Here Marxism combines with the worst and more corrupted form of Catholicism ( Luthero could not save the entire world). We can't blame colonization, some idiots think we could be more intelligent than portugueses, in fact we never put our shit together like them did one day, doing a technology revolution and a efficient military domain. We degenerate before we even start to be a country because some retards imagine they coud reinvent the wheel.

>>61021066
>>61021639
>>61026672
>>61028432
Eso no funciona con nosotros.
Si teniamos cultura a diferencia de los negros

>>61018933
>if they had colonized South America as well, then America, Canada, Australia, etc. would have received far fewer immigrants from Europe
I think you underestimate how many people immigrated to South America in the late-1800s and early-1900s. It was very comparable to the number that immigrated to the USA. Argentina went from nearly 90% Spanish to majority-Italian within a few decades. Brazil took in enough immigrants to make it go from 33% unmixed White in 1880 to 65% by 1930. Cuba took in 2 million immigrants from Spain alone from 1900 to 1930 and went from majority Afro-Caribbean to majority White. Same with Puerto Rico.

>>61030746
>teniamos
eres puro nativo?
y los negros and africa tenian sus costumbres y algunos reinos

>>61032092
Soy un repugnante mezclado y me odio por eso

It would have been top tier, just like all those british colonies on Africa and India. Oh wait.

>>61026798

>Being this uneducated

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>>61032378
you got really nice fuckable girls, amigo

>>61032935

Spanish women, for the most part, are pretty fugly familia. Especially the ones from Catalan.

>>61033883
that is just you, lad
look at these girls and those legs

they look fuckable

>>61034082
go to Spain and find out yourself. You'll be very disappointed.

>>61033883
While his pic is not pretty good, as an american you have no right to say shit about other countries' women.

>>61015173
yes because the British would have had even less mercy

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>>61034614
Estoy hablando de las chicas en la foto que subi
tienes que admitir que tiene buenas piernas
otra mas que coji ahora :D

>>61033883
Found the guy who's never been to Catalan. I know you're trying to meme, but they're pretty much top notch.

>>61035922
Todas las mujeres en el foto son feas (en mi opinión)...

Parecen autisticos

>>61038030
para mi son average and mira esas piernas y esas gordas vaginas

>>61037990
Actually I have, and I did a study abroad with like 15 Spaniards from Catalan familia. Btw your Spanish is atrocious. I would rather have an Ecuadorian talking my ear off than you guys.

>>61039735
Callate pinche joto hipster, I'm trying to meme on the debate on another tab.

>>61015173
Most likely yes.

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>>61015173
>Would South America still be the 3rd world shithole as it is today if the British and not the Spanish conquered it?

Yes. They would murdered the Indians and replaced whem with productive people. True, probably within plantation-ready lands they would place plantations with Black slaves in them. But we probably could contained to the Caribbean islands and surrounding areas.

>tfw when realize you will live a timeline where Brtiannia rules all of the Americas.

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>>61015173
The British almost had Argentina. It would have probably been a kind of South American equivalent of South Africa if they had won.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_invasions_of_the_River_Plate

Brazil had a type of colony only for extraction of resources. Only then Portugal permitted our independence, after the extraction of the majority of resources.

America had a type of colony to mass immigration and for building a new nation.

That's what makes the difference between colonies and the future for each country. It's not about the country that install the colony but what they do with land you "discover".

>>61018933
w-we actually exterminated the nativs aroudn here, America-kun
are we w-white yet?

>>61015173
It would be far far worse.

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>>61015173
thinking of doing this 3 month backpacking trip. What do you guys think? How much you think it would cost.

Short answers is yes. Race matters.

In the beginning the Portuguesenearly starved to death because they only produced sugar cane and it occurred to them almost too late that they needed to produce food. You can't make this shit up

>>61045741
Skip central america unless you want to fucking die. Starting in ecuador would be a better idea.
>Skipping over white parts of brazil
Good job dumbass

>>61045394
And this.

If they had no interest in settling and just imported millions of black slaves to work on the sugar plantation I imagine that the result would look like a big Jamaica.

Well, take a look at India, Jamaica, Belize and South Africa.
However, in the Northeastern part of Brazil for instance a Dutch nigga was implementing some really cool stuff. The Dutch called him back however, and now the region which was developing some 300 years ago is literally a shithole as disgraceful as Africa.

>>61045741
Should be really cheap for a burger. Side-effect of hiperinflation caused by populist commies.

>>61045988
>>61045741
My brother did the same but conversely, he got robbed and almost died in Peru-Ecuador border, DO NOT go to Ecuador, go straight to Peru, you'll be safe.

>>61015173
I think it would be like Canada but hotter in every way. Or Australia.

>yes, so much

guyana,suriname,and french, and belize where not conquered by the spanish empire, and they are not developed, but nobody talks about them... it's kinda like lithuania in europe.

>>61015173
>what is the scramble for Africa

>>61017959
>what is Austria
>what is New England