It's so jarring when you see what Iran was like before the Islamic Revolution happened.
How the hell did the Ayatollah come into power and why didn't the people rebel?
They were all Muslim, just "moderate" and secularized. This is why "moderate" Islam never really happens, because Islam isn't built to become "moderate", or to tolerate any kind of secularization. Any attempt to move in that direction snaps back hard in the opposite direction.
>How the hell did the Ayatollah come into power and why didn't the people rebel?
The Ayatollah WAS a rebellion. The Iranians were rebelling against degeneracy, and their weak puppet-state government that wanted to cuck Persian culture into becoming New Burgerland.
> "I-if you don't accept Coca-Cola and McDonalds replacing your native culture you're e-evil!"
t. Dolan Rumsfeld
It's because they were in the midst of a long-standing policy of Westernization. The Shah before World War 2 had the same idea as Peter the Great in Russia, trying to emulate the West so that they could have the same success as them.
It worked for a while, up until the revolution.
It's a million times better than stoning people to death and blow yourself up in the name of God. Imagine if we still had influence there. They would probably be a world power by now, and a great ally.
> Islam isn't meant to be moderate or secularized.
Neither are most other religions like Christianity and Judaism but there's plenty of people following those faiths that are secular.
We can never live a secular or modern life if we followed every rule in the bible.
Oh they were secular alright.
We forced western values on them by overthrowing their government and installing a brutal dictator. The Islamic Revolution was seen as a way to stop the brutality and restore traditional values. At the time the public didn't really understand how far the Islamists would take it. All they knew was their loved ones would disappear and be found months later dead on the side of the road if they dared speak out about the government while at the same time Jewish cultural values were turning their children into degenerates.
How the hell does an american not know this?
The US government overthrew their democratically elected government and installed a faggot king that suppressed everything. If you kick people hard enough in the nuts they will go full out Islam and that is exactly what they did.
The entire middle east was created by the colonial powers, not the US. When the US inherited the management of that world order, and interfered to disrupt anti-western or communist subversion, you could always count on a Eurocuck to cry about US interference, US manipulation, etc., but never blame the Ayatollah. Never blame a leftist. Never blame some barbaric third world mullahs or imams.
Do you clowns ever wonder if being programmed to be contrarian, supporting anything anti-US isn't why you're in the position you're in today?
You're all useful idiots, and you can't realize it because you're too far gone into indoctrination.
> the Ayatollah dindu nuthin
Keep the demoralization alive, useful idiots. Enjoy your genocide.
Am I the only one that gets bothered that pics of women dressing slutty and smoking is the pinnacle of a modern society? Is this as civilized as we get?
> They would probably be a world power by now, and a great ally.
You sound like the kind of person who would have converted to Islam when they overtook the Roman Levant in the 760s.
"If they have powerful weapons and technology, they MUST be more enlightened socially too!"
I don't believe anyone should give up the wisdom or culture of their homeland by compromising with outsiders. Germany and Sweden shouldn't give it up to Arabs, and Arabs shouldn't give it up to Westerners.
Dunno bout "pinnacle"
Seems to be a deliberate contrast in this case.
>the us dindu nuthing
The UK and the US destroyed Iran
This is a well known fucking fact and you being a gigantic faggot and calling every one useful idiots doesn't change this.
Oh and thank you very much for supporting the ''rebels'' in Syria and Libya.
Mohammed Pahlavi's father was the Shah, he was not "installed" by the US and Iran had had a monarchy for over two thousand years already. That's a basic bitch baby's first leftism meme. While it was a contributing factor, the truth is a lot more complicated.
Damn the women were gorgeous but the men were still ugly.
>cuck Persian culture
No, it's the opposite. The Pahlavi dynasty wanted to restore to being the successor of its pre-Islamic, Zoroastrian past. Cyrus the Great and other figures were celebrated while Islam was downplayed. It's the mullahs who are cucking Iran by putting the national emphasis on Islam rather than Persian cultural identity.
It's not so much the fact they're showing skin. It's the fact they went from being allowed to show a lot of skin to not being allowed to show anything at all. Just pretty jarring.
The Afghanistan on the left is due in part to U.S. construction of infrastructure during the cold war and its destruction is the result of the aftermath of Marxism.
The Syria on the right does not have a U.S. democracy and is pretty much the battleground for rival factions of the Islamic faith.
>Mohammed Pahlavi's father was the Shah, he was not "installed" by the US and Iran had had a monarchy for over two thousand years already. That's a basic bitch baby's first leftism meme. While it was a contributing factor, the truth is a lot more complicated.
NEOCON please go, you are not fooling anyone.
>What you see are the remnants of the Byzantine empire after Islamic cultural enrichment.
And kicking the Persian so hard in the ass that they go full retard Quran doesn't help.
Neither does bombing Assad.
>why didn't the people rebel?
because the Shah was absolutely HATED. and khomeini came to power with a huge backing from rank and file Iranians because they knew quite well what we did to topple Mohammed Mossadegh, and understandably resented it.
the Islamic Revolution is essentially the end result of U.S. foreign policy.
His long game was that he would basically let himself be used by the US and UK in hopes that the revenue that would pour in would allow him to modernize the country's military and infrastructure to a point where Iran could make itself the regional hegemon and eventually push the US and USSR both out of the middle east. The western powers however got bored of him after he started to get too independent and began raising the prices of oil exports. The 1979 revolution was basically a punishment.
> The Pahlavi dynasty wanted to restore to being the successor of its pre-Islamic, Zoroastrian past.
You will note that >>61012814, >>61012830 are Persian women trying to be Western sluts, not Persian women trying to be moabadan-moabad.
If what you claimed was true, then I supposed I would agree with you that the Ayatollah a shit, but the documentary evidence thus far presented does not seem to be in your favour.
Yeah, and people want to know why they were so Western up until then. That was one of his policies that was lost.
I think based on the thread people are aware of why the revolution happened, but they don't seem to be aware of the history surrounding the Westernization of Iran.
How is that being a neocon? It's the simple facts of the matter. You can't play it off that the monarchy only existed as a result of the 1953 coup. The official "America didnu nothing" version is bullshit, but so is the Oliver Stone interpretation.
The United States overthrew many popular governments and kept the people repressed through brutal dictatorships. And then when the people finally rebel, the US condemns them economically, politically, causes their decline and then points and says "wow look at those degenerate people over there." Fucking burgerclaps.
No, it's not. These are easily verifiable facts. Are you going to next tell us about the Earth being flat because people once believed that? The 1953 Coup is very well documented and even the United States admits our part in it. Only /x/ bois such as yourself think it wasn't us. Go back to Call of Duty. We're not middle schoolers here.
>subverted by Soviet puppet regime and agents
>defeated by Islamist insurgents
>all previous culture erased by Islamic fundamentalist
Yeah, blame the US while you invite more Afghan rapists in to enrich your country into looking like Afghanistan. It sure won't look like Afghanistan in 1969, they think that's haram.
Blame the US for Islam.
Make sure to apologize more to islam, so the religion of peace won't chimp out.
Maybe they'll let you live as a eunuch when Sweden becomes a caliphate.
>the Us an UK destroyed Iran
ITT: we show pictures of Iran before the Islamists took over, when it was heavily westernized and close to nations like the UK and US. We'll listen to Sven al Cuckhammad try to tell us that it was great before Islamists, but the Islamists are the fault of the West. Just like hundreds of rapes on new year's were really the fault of the right-wing.
There are good arguments to make as a leftist, there are good points to make against the US, but none of these are those good arguments.
When do you ever blame the people living in those countries for the state of their countries? Ever? Even when they come to Sweden and rape everyone in sight, slit your throats, and blow you up?
No, not even then.
>You can't play it off that the monarchy only existed as a result of the 1953 coup.
Actually we can because that the 100% truth. Without the UK getting butthurt and crying to the US, there would have been no coup. It was our doing. Does the sun rise in the west in your fantasy land devoid of facts?
The United States were the ones backing those Islamist insurgents, and are the allies of Saudi Arabia who spreads the Wahhabi doctrine.
It's incredibly disingenuous for an American who shills for his government, to claim to be opposed to extremist Islam.
Pahlavi Dynasty only came to power in 1925 through a military coup
The first Shah saw himself as a modernizer in the vein of Kemal Ataturk.
Personally, I think it didn't have to end like this. These societies were better off under secular nationalist dictators- Assad, Hussein, etc. but the combined effect of cold war power games and the 'third worldist theory' coming from Maoist China fucked their shit up
the shah knew he was dying from cancer and wanted to force change on his people faster than they could handle so they kicked him out, he died a year later.
it's also not cool that they had a puppet government, though whenever iran fought iraq, the only thing they had to defend themselves was american aircraft, bombs, and guns. then again iraq had the same stuff.
Well you've gotta start a new idea off by semi copying someone else, before you can go fully independent
>no neo-persian cyberpunk
>Without the UK getting butthurt and crying to the US, there would have been no coup
The 1953 "coup" was actually a counter-coup as the Shah was the rightful and constitutional head of state of Iran while the leftist darling Mossadegh was a populist strongman who granted himself dictatorial powers and seized control of the government at the head of a mob. It's funny how your Marxist professor never seems to get around to telling you that part.
>How the hell did the Ayatollah come into power and why didn't the people rebel?
He was supported by leftists worldwide. Keep in mind that the Ayatollah lived in Paris.
My dad told me that when the Iranian revolution happened, all the socialists were celebrating saying that Iran was finally free from "american imperialism"...
i feel fucking sad for all f these places. in the 60s and 7s it seemed like a lot of the world was on the way to western levels of normality.
how the fuck can it all have gone so horribly wrong.
and the cunts responsible can turn their evil fucking eye on any of our countries
You know how during the 50's during the Cold War, America put "In God We Trust" on our monies and started pledging allegiance everyday to a flag to be a polar reflection of the Commies? Well, that's what happened in Iran; rebelling against the current culture and your enemy in the opposite way to emphasis your efforts of wanting to be completely different from them.
The Middle Easterners have clung to their conservative values far greater than we ever could have. These people you see in the pictures were westernized, and were far fewer in number than the conservative, religious people in their country. It was mostly the wealthy and upper middle class that wanted to become westernized. The revolution was a Muslim revolution, the people were poor and saw the West at the root of their economic problems. Naturally they revolted against the people they saw as the source of their frustration: the West. The revolution was an antidote to their misery, and naturally involved ridding themselves of the western aggressors and their culture.
The progress was achieved by an authoritarian dictator in the Shah. Regardless of quality of life advancement, most people will eventually rebel if they're threatened or harmed for dissent, even if their country is achieving positive development from the Iron Fist style
>literally related in any way
Nigger what. There are a host of religious and ethnic differences between them, not even counting the massive geographical one.
>no matter what you do, show, say to them, brainwashed lefty subhumans will ALWAYS deny what picture says because it goes against their narrative
I just want to wake up tomorrow and see the bombs dropping down to cleanse this hell.
Cherry-picking examples to make a nice meme. Lol, no. Imagine if redneck, rural, farmland Americans were more numerous and committed to their faith and established a Christian theocracy. They would be all about their government and would fight to protect it. Them there would be a handful of "free thinkers" that find it stifling but are still the minority. That's these people. They thought they had more support than they actually did during the last elections, and staged a little revolution, but they were shut the fuck up by the militias and military.
>You killed off the secular opposition
>Lefties like,Peoples Mujahedeen(Islamic gommunism party,not even making it up) backed islamic opposition
>islamic rev happened
Meanwhile if you killed offed the islamic opposition,some secular-socialist rev might happened in 1979