>>61012488 I'm not sure why you're trying to reference credibility. Scientists and doctors are credible and believe Climate Change is man-made and vaccines are safe.
>>61012611 Do you have any studies relating to the correlation between Vaccines and Autism?
>>61012866 >Literally all he is INSINUATING is that we probably need to continue to look into it to make sure there is NO CONNECTION whatsoever between the two.
No you dumb faggot, he's insinuating that there IS a connection between vaccines and autism. Not that we need to "look" into it. Even during the debates, he was pretty much on the idea that vaccines caused autism.
>>61012866 >Literally all he is INSINUATING is that we probably need to continue to look into it to make sure there is NO CONNECTION whatsoever between the two. but we have done this over and over and there is no connection >cuckservatives in charge of logic
>MASSIVE SHOT OF MANY VACCINES >MANY VACCINES >MANY VACCINES
Although the Autism thing isn't correct, being pumped full of a single shot multi-vaccine isn't exactly the best thing ever, most doctors suggest one vaccine every month or so, instead of a super vaccine like he's mentioning here, He's just wrong on the autism. Also, the more vaccines, the higher the risk of complications, not exactly autism.
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>>61012956 I am not defending him, I am attacking you. Because you are full of shit. Also no, Lithuanians are not in the same linguistic group as the Estonians. But please go on talking about things you know nothing about.
>>61012825 Hey, credit where credit is due. He has around 25% chance of being correct.
>>61013217 Okay, let me unpack that for you. The OP conducted an attack on identity. It's a rhetoric move to cause doubt in the supporters of your opposition. The thing is, this rhetoric move depends on your credibility. So lets say that you're a famous super model known for being intelligent and fair and make that post - people will take you seriously. However, if you're anonymous on 4chan, nobody is going to care.
Because you're a nobody. You have no credibility.
Learn language. The argument presented wasn't "climate change is man made" or "vaccines are safe", it was an attack on identity. He did make an appeal to ridicule fallacy but it's pretty much irrelevant.
>>61013545 I mean this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnic_languages Slavs speak slavic languages, go figure. It must be hard to come to come from a group of people who are not really a nation and don't have their own language.
>>61014456 I know vaccines don't cause fuckin autism. But a lack of them leave kids, whether vaccined or not, vulnerable to a host of diseases that wouldn't be a problem if herd immunity wasn't under attack by retards. The polio was just for effect
>>61014468 Authentic. He makes really retarded statements every now and then. He almost sounds like hes trying to patronize his supporters every time I hear him speak. >>61014567 >Eternal anglo >Beating anything but subhumans I'm glad I'm part Arab. I might take a comfy vacation to the UK when you become the New Caliphate. Inshallah.
>>61014092 What you're quite literally doing is basing the fact that Donald Trump is a bad Candidate because he made a couple retarded tweets, go to a Bernie Rally or a Hillary Rally. You'll see retarded shit anywhere.
>>61014785 Lesser of the Evils again? We either get batshit insane rednecks or pussy liberals. When will we get a candidate that knows his shit, doesn't flip sides like a hamburger or isn't a complete shill?
>>61014266 >yes >yes >yes >commonwealth was ok, why not. >yes >doubt you can actually kek at such weak bantz. So you just repeat what you implied before, your argument is "kek". We are done here methinks, thank you for that enlightening discussion.
>>61013217 >Scientists and doctors are credible >HURR DURR SCIENCE BY AUTHORITEH!
If you don't know, understand, and follow the scientific method then shut your ignorant god damn mouth on scientific issues.
>the global climate models have failed to predict the last 20 years and are therefore scientifically FALSIFIED >there has not been sufficient double blind testing of current vaccines and vaccine schedules therefore science can neither confirm nor deny their safety and anyone who says otherwise is offering a personal opinion and NOT a scientific one
>>61013742 >>61012139 Climate change is a natural phenomena, we are exiting an ice age and warmer periods shall follow. Saying that we are causing it is just blatant egoism. We want to be the cause! We want to feel like we have an impact! Milutin Milankovic wrote a book on it almost a century ago, and it was accepted. People just like to panic and be occupied with something. If you didnt have that you would probably have some ecological bullshit about 10.000 species going extinct each year.
>>61015083 He's a literal Jew. He might not be a shill but thats cutting it.
Hes also VERY weak. With Iran and Russia looming we dont need a weak, indecisive man. >>61015184 Then hes a retarded candidate, who flips on every matter and is probably a shill.
But maybe his policies will do some good if they dont drag us to another wasteful war? >>61015322 Latvia and Estonia manage to ever hold onto any sovereignty. Lithuania, I really dont know much about you guys except for the common wealth under poland. Yea a majority of your history is under the rule of some slav.
>>61015665 You just answered yourself. Good job. The only thing that can ever drag us into war is the wall and that's pretty much just a Meme, the Muslim thing would be hard-pressed to push us into a war unless Europe stays cucked.
>>61015686 Which knowing his history means jack shit. As soon as people shat all over him for it he wanted to come out looking somewhat in the middle as the smart and cautious candidate. Even though we have absolutely 0 proof vaccines cause autism.
If you know trump, then you know he does this often. He was initially in favor of Obamacare.
>>61015778 >I am pro science, but I am incapable of making a basic reasoned argument
You can't be pro-science, without having the mental capacity to form arguments in support of your thesis. Unless science is your religion. It's not supposed to be, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is a religion for you.
>>61015787 Trump says or post something that makes little to no sense, doesnt like it and backtracks. - STUMPED. Many such cases! Not even Trump himself can stump the Trump. If he ever does /pol/ will be there to help.
>>61016196 Unwilling or incapable is different only in semantics.
And no, I am not going to look at papers discussing the connection, I am not interested. If you want to make a case, you bring your arguments and you bring your evidence. Otherwise your claims can and will be dismissed without evidence.
>>61015939 His Ex wife's last name was "Shill". Most elite Jews don't give a shit about Judaism either. Its about being connected to another.
Also. Pic related.
At least with Trump we would have good relations with Russia and Stalin for 4 years. Bernie... not so much.
>>61016072 Check back at the start of the thread. Its there. >>61016333 Idk, man you guys are pretty irrelevant. Poor is the only thing the USA thinks of you. We really cant be harassed to learn the in depth history of every poor nation.
>>61016667 Then don't use a competing bank's convenience service. I have never had to use an ATM in 24 years because I plan on how much cash I need and withdraw it at my bank branch or you could even withdraw it from one of your bank's ATMs that are fee free.
This is once again children crying about something they don't actually understand or know about. They haven't had a job and they probably have trouble understanding what cash even is, growing up with nothing but plastic for money.
I hate people like you who regurgitate empty but popular opinions as "science."
There is only ONE proper, scientific reply to each of my assertions.
* The presentation of an AGW based GCM which can model the past 20 years, along with a thesis explaining what has gone wrong with all the other GCMs and a set of predictions for the next 20 years that will confirm or falsify your GCM.
* A set of published, double blind studies of at least one popular vaccine schedule from one of the major western nations. Study MUST INCLUDE placebos.
I know that neither exists. A true scientist would look at AGW and recognize that it has been falsified as a theory and needs to be modified or discarded. And a true scientist would look at the vaccine debate and conclude that science can offer no formal opinion on the safety of modern vaccine schedules because they have NEVER BEEN TESTED PROPERLY.
Go actually learn science before talking about it shitlord.
>>61016609 When was anything said about relevance? You incorrectly called Latvians slavs and instead of admitting your mistake when corrected you went on some bullshit rant. How fucking old are you? Don't listen to all that 'indispensable nation' tripe. You are not special. You can be wrong. Try and learn to accept that. Oh and don't try to imply that 'USA' is some hivemind. For example: any american who is interested in basketball knows a bit more about Lithuania than "poor". You are just not one of them. I am amazed how self-absorbed you are.
>>61017430 I don't have to fact check what you say and waste my time trawling through random studies, I do this plenty for my own purposes. If you want to make a point that involves proving a position wrong, do it like you're supposed to.
>>61011846 There's actually a pretty good hypothesis out there that too many antibiotics causes autism.
What happens is, a young child gets a bad ear infection. He begins a course of heavy antibiotics. The antibiotics kill off the healthy gut flora in the stomach, making mildly toxic gut flora thrive instead.
This goes on to poison the brain, sometimes severely, sometimes mildly. The type of gut flora that grows back in the stomach only responds to extremely specific antibiotics that kill only that type of bad gut flora.
>>61018022 You're attempting to disapprove the claim in order to further your agenda, so yes, evidence is required on your part. You're trying to PROVE that the claim is wrong. You're not DISMISSING the claim.
Dismissing the claim means that the claim is not worth deliberation, which is my position. Because I have neither evidence to prove a causation link, nor the evidence to prove it doesn't exist. Which also seems to be the case with you. However unlike me you take a religious position: the causation link does not exist, at the same time in absence of evidence to back it up.
>>61017948 >religious freak. There is literally nothing wrong with being religious anon. The average person is not capable of seeing the reasons to uphold a lot of the traditions and extremely important morals and beleifs without a religion, no matter whether it is blind faith into something that they can't prove to exist, religion is necessary to keep a nation civil and healthy.
>>61018022 You've got it backwards. Right now there is a major push for permanent mandatory concessions just like Obamacare guarantees a captive market for insurers. It is entirely up to the people demanding that we all get a massive load of untested vaccines all at the same time and all when we are recently born to prove everything. We are not obligated to prove anything, it is up to the ones who want the new policy. What would we prove? That their own package inserts admit to issues which they are regularly caught lying about? That they have repeatedly lied to parents? That the US Government has paid millions in compensation to angry parents with vaccinated autistic children?
I'm a twin, me and my brother were born in 89. We came out perfectly fine and normal, mum had a c section because we were so big and fat and healthy.
We got the vaccines, I was fine, he had a MASSIVE reaction as follows:
>Abdomen/buttox swelled up a dark purple colour and the skin hardened, his intestinal tract was suffering a massive immune attack >Bleeding on the brain due to high temperature and fever
After it all died down and the hospital finally let him come home, he was different, incredibly different. Staring off into blank space, not smiling or anything anymore, wouldn't respond to anything, wouldn't breastfeed properly etc etc
By the age of 3 he was diagnosed with the highest teir possible of aspergers. Not "I have aspergers" aspergers.
Like, he has a speech impediment and stutters and has uncontrollable fits of crying and rage
He's now 26 and still is basically a 10 year old.
The local doctors and psychiatrists and help people basically agreed that he was basically given chemical teir autism. That it was indeed the vaccines but there was no way anything could be done about it. They just brushed it aside.
>>61018525 Religion is irrational belief in things you cannot prove or things that are outright unfalsifiable. Why is irrationality part of morality?
Irrationality breeds socialism, feminism, Islam and other vicious ideologies.
>>61018753 >nope, I'm dismissing it By claiming those tweets are retarded, you're directly implying the content is wrong. Unless my understanding of the word retarded is abnormal. >nope, I've seen the evidence I did not realize we have a collective consciousness.
That you would even ask that...FUCK OFF. You do not understand the scientific method.
Observation > Theory > Testable Prediction > Carefully Test > Modify Theory > Repeat
Popular opinion has nothing to do with it.
Authority has nothing to do with it.
Credentials have nothing to do with it.
Consensus has nothing to do with it.
Peer review has nothing to do with it (unless said peer review involves duplication of the testing stage which they generally do not).
Politics has nothing to do with it.
Wishful thinking has nothing to do with it.
It is not "anti-science" to point out that the AGW based GCMs have failed in their predictions, or that current vaccine schedules (and some current vaccines) have never been properly, scientifically tested. In fact, it's a true scientist who is willing to recognize both facts.
>>61018578 >Who the fuck are we talking about again? i'm talking with someone who doesn't know how the first amendment works.
lets see you go stand silently in the middle of a restaurant and be left there to do as you please. or lets see a white man stand silently on a stool in a bernie rally holding a sign that says "all lives matter" and remain unmolested.
>>61019253 I have seen evidence of God. God exists. God told me in my dream that you are wrong.
You have no ability to hold a rational argument. If your ability of analyzing scientific data and studies is at a comparable level of sophistication, I am going to assume that you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>61019020 >Irrationality breeds socialism, feminism, Islam and other vicious ideologies. Yet it was the atheistic soviet union that declared that science and reason is what must be uphold, and it managed to mostly fill the first part of the promise by forcefully attempting to remove all religions.
Quite odd to see such a mix of ideologies that oppose each other, feminists are mostly atheistic and so are socialists.
Why is it that you seek truth? Why do we need truth? Truth can be very disgusting and harmful, and in that case we must not tell the truth, but lie for the good.
Why would you want to live in a purposeless chaos in which none of your actions had any significance, in which there was no hope of justice, in which the lives of all those whom you loved ended abruptly on death and had no further significance. Why would you want, desire, actively wish to live in an universe as disgusting as that?
>>61019259 No. I follow the doings of the americans.
>>61019435 Holy shit, I know we're in a thread about autism but it's not a requirement to join the conversation.
I said I know that Trump removing the protester was not literally infringing on the first amendment. The point is that an American presidential candidate shouldn't remove a woman who is silently standing in an arena of people standing, not for standing in the middle of a restaurant, you fucking moron.
It's wrong when Obama does it. It's wrong when Shillary does it. It's wrong when Trump does it. Even if it's not "legally" wrong.
>>61019744 Atheism isn't an ideology, you can be an atheist and anything else. Also, it's interesting to note that you don't have to be an objectivist nor skeptic to be an atheist. Your skepticism can only extend to religion. Even just Christianity, really.
Someone who is religious may in fact be more skeptical and more rational than an atheist. It's just that, why would you want ANY irrationality? Denying reality does not benefit anyone on a fundamental level. It just causes misery and waste of human potential.
>>61019793 Nice backpedaling. You are a sore loser.
>>61020657 >It's just that, why would you want ANY irrationality? Denying reality does not benefit anyone on a fundamental level. It just causes misery and waste of human potential. I'm not advocating for irrationality, i'm advocating for a society with 20th century christian religious beliefs and morals. How would one be advocating for irrationality, when those that you wish to give freedom of thought, are not capable of rationality? The human potential that you speak of is not there and therefore can not be wasted.
I'll repeat my question. Why would you want to live in a purposeless chaos in which none of your actions had any significance, in which there was no hope of justice, in which the lives of all those whom you loved ended abruptly on death and had no further significance. Why would you want, desire, actively wish to live in an universe as disgusting as that?
I'm off though so i can't participate in this conversation any longer, you should read "Rage against god" by peter hitchens, just a little view of the worldview of an anglical christian and the reasoning behind why he went from being an atheist to christian.
> Atheism isn't an ideology Yes it is, atheism has had all of the characteristics of a strong ideology. The soviet union was an atheistic state and only allowed the belief in science, and yes, it is a belief to think that what science tells you is true (I also believe most of what science has taught us), the majority of people are not mentally capable of proving what science claims to be true nor do they have the time to do so, and because of this, they simply have to believe what they are told.
>>61011846 Pro vaxers are the smuggest shitters around. Innoculation is a real and beneficial science, but the preservatives and other chemicals in vaccines probably cause some kind of damage in the developing brain of a baby.
>>61013217 Scientists and doctors can also be contracted by the gubmint, and corporations with connections to said gubmint, and they have a nasty habit of telling their employees to lie straight out of their assholes in the name of profit.
>>61021910 >I'm not advocating for irrationality, i'm advocating for a society with 20th century christian religious beliefs and morals. Why do you need religion for that? You can make a rational case for most useful Christian moral values. They aren't just pulled out of a hat. There is a reason why Christian moral values exist and there is a reason why they are failing in the modern world. It ain't atheism. It's competing religions like socialism.
Everyone is capable of rationality. In fact, from my personal experience you can persuade less intelligent people a lot easier of reality than the more intelligent. The more intelligent people are a lot more entrenched in their irrational beliefs.
>Why would you want to live in a purposeless chaos I have not proposed that I want to live in a purposeless chaos.
Since you're not gonna address further, I won't be bothering with addressing atheism as an ideology.
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